Which relation do you think is "better" objectively or theoretically?
Which relation do you prefer personally?
Which relation have you had more experiences with, romantically and platonically?
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Which relation do you think is "better" objectively or theoretically?
Which relation do you prefer personally?
Which relation have you had more experiences with, romantically and platonically?
Go. :)
I have "love" with both types in my house. :) My second child is IEI, kindred to me, my third is SLE, semi-dual to me. Dual to each other, they are.
Sometimes we have a trio of talk or watching something together. Often it's the SLE and me only watching something though. We'll watch iffy stuff, movies we neither have seen, maybe heard about. We also watch Anime together, if he likes it and it's dark I will like it. Funny stuff often we both like.
Charming, funny, artsy, we'll watch with the IEI. IEI and me watch lots of Disney together over the years.
I recently saw that HEATHERS was on Netflix and I was so excited, and got them easily to watch it with me (I saw it way back when it came out.) It was a fun time. SLE and I can talk about things after, but IEI prefers to go into hiding with few words after a movie.
Sometimes IEI gets very talkative with me, and we have long drawn out conversations that are very satisfying. We also share making things in the kitchen, ideas. But sometimes I am left alone when I'd rather be chummy with her. She's very on-off.
SLE is usually available to talk to, but mostly the long sorts of talks are about things we found in the yard, we go out and look for things growing, and research what we found, plan what we might do in the yard. We'll have long talks about good anime/bad anime.
But if I want to say something to him usually he's playing Dark Souls III on PS4 and always in a big fight there and says "Fuck off!" if I try to talk to him. He doesn't care that I am his Mother at all. I have no power as his mother, so I am glad I'm friend enough to him most of the time :)
At times those two will be talking together, or doing something together, and it does make me feel very "jealous" they are so exclusive. My eldest child is ILI and so it's a grand Dual-Kindred-Semi-Dual party sometimes.
My hubby is SEE and my youngest is SEE, neither are around us as much, but they do share in the kindred-semi-dual system with the betas too. I will say, if we play Rummy (cards) I can't stand how my SEe hubby and IEI feed off each other in that scenario. It's like I don't know them at all.
For me Kindred is my artsy side. I like that. I really like the talks I have with Semi-Dual though, I really like that, my Ti loves it. Outside, sensing, love that too.
If I am ILI, and assuming I correctly typed my kindred and semiduals as such, I enjoy the company of the artsy, hippyish IEI. As an artist myself, I can share this realm with other IEI(or ILI) artists. The SLE is capable of getting me to move my ass(light a fire under my feet) as they can make me feel relatively lazy and impractical. Instead of making me run, I will muster up the courage and prove the son's of bitches wrong, building mutual respect. (pragmatics often find researchers impractical)
Kindred: nonsensical
semi-dual: sensical
Semi
For me it's clear-cut: Semi-duality >>> Kindred, it's just more complementary or even compensatory if you wish. Especially temperament-wise :yup: You can only have one wild Ep to make it work. :love:
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Two :Ne: leads = too scattered, although we're definitely on the same page. Take @unsuccessfull Alphamale and me, it's sort of a meme overkill even if we get along.
I have lots of love for SEI-Si, I recently made friends with two of them at university. Easy business with these chill people, make me feel at home and I can be as absurd as I wanna be :hyper:We always have a lot to talk about.
I'd say kindred, why? I get along better with for example my best friend at work is probably an IEI (well it is a quick typing so I could be wrong but I think IEI fits him)
Also, here in the forum I like both you & @Aylen the most
and most importantly I can think of only one SLE and we weren't that close (so SLE lose because they almost don't exist in my life :shrug:)
as I said I know only one SLE so of course I have more experiences with IEIQuote:
Which relation have you had more experiences with, romantically and platonically?
however, from my experience I would say kindred relations are better platonically (too much Fe romance is just too much) so to keep the balance I would say semi-duality relations are better romantically
Kindred are also called Comparative relations, that gives a better idea of the mechanic of the relation I think. Most of the times there are not even a relation with my Comparative, despite the similarities there are not much interest in each other and the relations are kinda dull ime.
That said 100% preferred semi duality over Comparative.
I seem to interact with ILIs like moths to a flame, we both have a mutual "oh my god another person that actually understands or cares about my Ni" connection and section ourselves off on the side of the room and plan/debate things... except we keep correcting each other on how we view everything. I have to ignore them sometimes so that we don't get into endless interesting-yet-unsatisfying arguments.
I'm not as good at identifying SEEs specifically, but I'd imagine they'd be more pleasant to interact with over extended periods of times. I usually get a kick out of the Se voice in the room.
I don't particularly like my kindred, at least not at first because Te tends to want to do things its own way and then strong sensing tends to get its way which can lead to resentment when you think you know better but had to implement some inferior plan or some such. this shows up a lot in social situations where LSE steals the show more or less. in intellectual environments its the other way around, so its easy to develop bad blood one way or the other
but I do have one good LSE friend because we were platoon leaders in the same company and as partners we learned to appreciate the others strengths meanwhile being able to maintain our own territory and compare results and implement successes etc. that built a lot of mutual respect and we've been friends long since getting out, even traveling across the country to visit for holidays, etc
I really like EII, a lot, the problem is they tend to not like me that much once they get to know me. its funny cause they're so long suffering it makes me wonder how fucked up I must be to make them dislike me when they like basically everyone no matter what. I think it comes down to me not liking people and not being afraid to manifest that whereas they think I ought to control myself better or something, which comes off as if they have to choose they have to go with suffering masses over the arrogant douche or something like that, even if they kind of like the douche more one-on-one its almost a numbers game, but not in a Fe way. they can't side with me cause my inability to get along is a character flaw from their point of view, mainly because I'm perfectly capable of it, if I want to (they could forgive someone for not being able to, such as ILI, which they definitely tend to favor for, I think, that reason).
Only EIE I can recall meeting and befriending IRL would be a classmate of mine in highschool. He would annoy me a lot quite a bit and most likely has soc/sx with some 3 in him, so it is a question why and if we could even be considered friends. (just more of we were part of same friend circle, which was a likely SEE befriending the 'outsiders' of school and hanging around with them as her small circle). Creepy annoying puppy which I did not know whether to pet when sad or just stay the hell away from is best way I can find to describe him- he was into some really weird and morbid stuff.
Other than him, I guess I also had a most likely EIE teacher for a short while, we did not get along well enough as I wasn't exactly paying attention to class and her gentle proddings didn't do much.
With LSIs, one I am platonically closest is my own mother. We really rarely 'argue'- our views may differ or we may sometimes miss what other meant but with being :Ti: egos, it often doesn't take long to catch on other meant something entirely different and explaining other what we actually meant. As I grew up talking most of the things bugging my mind with her, we often come to similar conclusions or at least can get why other would think like that and it often ends on an amicable note. (We also have "Why are people like this you don't make any sense" moments together too, there is a sense of comradery about it)
Most of the said communication problem often only steams from my explanations getting too :Ne: heavy at times while hers get too :Se: heavy for me, but it fairly rarely goes extreme. (If other actually comments something really, really against other's :Ti: view and if one side keeps pursuing the topic. Usually I am the one who doesn't drop the topic as easily than her.)
I also do have a female LSI I am somewhat of acquintance/in same circle of friends with and we don't really have problems with each other and again, :Fe: problems are still a common ground. But other than that, we don't really talk much either.
I would likely pick Kindred to Semi-Duality though, because it is fairly rare for me to get along with an EIE's Fe and HA Se.
(Only possible fictional EIE I can think of that didn't annoy me would be Tamaki Suoh from Ouran I think? And I don't exactly hate EIEs, just I don't feel as comfortable around them either.)
I had a couple very close kindred friends when I was growing up. Aww, I subconsciously said "had." Well, yeah, we don't see each other much anymore since I moved away from our home state and they stayed. We also don't even talk much over the internet, which I do do with my long distance EII friends. One of my ESI friends, he and I actually had crushes on each other at different points throughout knowing each other since third grade or so, but he took things too seriously/had an anger issue, so things never went anywhere. He is good at his core and pretty funny/charismatic/sociable, but just a bit too angsty, at least when I knew him well, and not willing to try to become happier.
My other close ESI friend, she is also a really good person, but we're just on very different life paths.
I don't know if this is an ESI thing or just my two ESI friends happened to be less mentally healthy, but I felt like they have very self-victimizing mindsets. They find it difficult to let go of the past. Whenever I spend time with the female ESI again nowadays (once a year or so), she brings up the exact same troubles I heard from her in middle school, about not feeling academically adequate, which I feel is silly to still be thinking about since we're 7 years out of high school. The male ESI is just very angry at the world in general and fixates on what other people do wrong.
I want to get to know more LIEs plzzz. I know like one or two suspected LIE women (might be ILI), and they are super cool and brilliant and caring toward me. We're the kind of close friends that will always support each other, even over physical distance and lots of time, but again, wouldn't talk every day like my EII friends. My dalliances with LIE men have been unfortunately short, one because he got back together with his girlfriend, and the other because I decided I couldn't bear being with someone so professionally stagnant. He needs an ESI to jolt him with some Se, yo!
My Imago is LIE, so I prefer LIE over ESI romantically for sure (even over LSE), though perhaps for no good reason, given my limited experience with LIEs. The weaknesses they get from their Si polr are kind of cute, but the strength they get from it (i.e., boundless energy to do ALL the things) makes me feel like I can't keep up with them.
thanks Bertrand it's endearing to have such an empathetic understanding of EII's dynamics <3 I wish you'll find yourself one :D
I'm in a relationship with my kindred, I prefer this name instead of comparative, it portrays our relationship better. It's like we are very much the same on how we see the world and basically want the same things, but living in totally different worlds with totally different values, it's really challenging but even much thrilling, and I love the differences between us, so far so good. I think my bf is more bothered by my attitude than I am though, he doesn't agree with many of my views and unless I don't involve him in what I do he couldn't care less for it, and that actually bothers me because to me there's nothing better than my hobbies. He has his own though and I'm always trying to support him, although to me it's meaningless. This must be worked up lol
I've met some semi-duals here and there and there was definitely an instant bond. Mental one. Even physical actually but as Bertrand said, I found some of them more bothered to follow their inner psychotic demons than in pursuing any kind of real relationship with anyone... which is funny because I function in pretty much the same way, so maybe it's such an akin nature to keep us apart. Uh.
Semi-Dual doesn't feel nearly Identical at all... You might mistype someone there tbh.
The Semi-Dual is closer to the Dual than you, as the name suggests. Their first IE is the (complementary) opposite of yours. This results in very different lifestyles and ways to deal with the world and conflicts.
Kindred, however, can indeed feel more close to an Identical, especially if you are Inert subtype.
I meant semi-dual and kindred end up feeling the same (identical), not Identical socionics relationships.
This is expected because your Semi-dual is the dual of the kindred so they are on the same wavelength.
In my experience it's easier to strike a conversation with Kindred over semi-dual because you both appreciate your leading function. But the interaction will quickly devolve as soon as you start trying to transition to your creative function. The reason for this is because your core values are different. So you are stuck with a shallow interaction with only the leading function and maybe demonstrative function.
With semi-dual, it's harder to strike up a conversation because of the leading/suggestive negation effect. So it takes longer to get the ball rolling. But once the conversation starts going, you run into the exact same problem as the kindred which is the mismatched creative function. So just like the kindred, you can't strengthen the semi-dual relationships. In fact, you'll get into arguments over the exact same issues with the semi-dual as the kindred. The biggest difference is it takes longer to get to this point.
On second thought, semi-dual might be worse than kindred because in kindred their creative is your vulnerable so the information is valued to you and you can't come up with those insights while in semi-dual, each pairs creatives is the others demonstrative so you don't even want to listen to their advice since you already know it, and are better at it than them.
Thanks for elaborating on your point/clearing it up.
I'd agree with your analysis overall, though I would not necessarily make the same conclusion as you in the last paragraph.
I'd rather agree with the general idea that Semi-Duality and Kindred are (close to) "identical" in terms of how they end up feeling the same or having the same kind of potential for emotional intimacy / psychological "merging".
Kindred is of help when it comes to the Mobilizing and PoLR, but neither are particularly valued by you. Whereas the Dual-seeking is being fulfilled by your Semi-Dual, which you value more. So in that sense, Semi-Dual would be a bit more valuable to you than Kindred. (P.S: Inert subtype values DS the most, Contact subtype less so. For Contact subtype, Lookalike and Mirage are better relations because of that reason.)
Both Kindred and Semi-Dual can help you out in a certain domain, but walk the opposite direction at some point.
What I really can appreciate about IEE's? Well, they have that high degree of interest that captivates them and bit off beat. That is very cool to share. But then it comes to creative and we both dismiss each other.
SLI's? They tend to get some enjoyment of my let me be free style and what comes next style. Then again they wait for right kind of ethical reciprocity... Which is awkward.
Semi-duality is also quite common in marriage, but kindred is not as far as I know.
So that's at least a hint of something.
I get on better with kindred men than kindred women.
I love LSE-Si women (they are similar to ESI). EII's are very easy to get along with, but the sexual spark tends to be non-existent.
Semi-dual to all three OP questions.
Semidual to all. Complementary lead functions obviously help the relationship, vs. conflicting creative functions.
I can get along decently with LSIs in a non-work environment but we tend to clash if we get too close and have to work or make decisions together.
With EIEs it's more complicated - the classical description of the relationship ("the moth and the flame") tends to fit, but there is more reason for the relationship to exist.
I've had excellent relations with both and I would not be able to rate one over the other; aside from their individual baggage, both offered positive and negative aspects. However, kindred always seemed to feel like my sibling but not so with semi-duals.......:content:
a.k.a. I/O