What polrs bother you and why?
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What polrs bother you and why?
I really like Se polr people because I feel like maybe I could beat them up and also because they tend to be the most brilliant people i've ever met
i know this was completely irrelevant. to contribute i don't like Te polr either, but its more like profoundly sad, which is worse than angering, which is like Ni. Ni at least you have the right to be indignant, Te polr is just depressing
My order goes like this, ends with least bothersome on the right.
:Fi: >>>> :Si: >>>> :Te: >>>> :Ne: >>>> :Se: >>>> :Ni: >>>> :Fe: >>>> :Ti:
ILE and SLE are just crossing all the lines even without deliberation which makes me even more furious since they're unlikely to change in that realm then. You're practically helpless against a loose cannon person who's unaware and unconcerned of how you and others relate, only able to steer it with some fake emotion. Every sound social script of how you get close or what you shouldn't do to offend/hurt: completely run over, and they're blaming you when you counter it (thinking they haven't done anything wrong) so it's of no use. They have me thinking how they treat their partners and it leaves me in worry. :Si: takes second place since they have the weirdest repulsions to things I find pleasurable, and will never encourage leisure or indulgence because of their schedule.
:Ti: PoLR is something I don't even recognize so it's easy with my business partner, I love them a lot even if we both don't make sense which is not important. Fellow IEEs are easy and witty to be with. :Fe: PoLR, well I am fully equipped to deal with it, and since those people are really different I like them.
There is no PoLR that bothers me, actually.
:Te: PoLR can bother me. Because even if you try to collect all the facts to show them you're right, they will always deny the truth in front of your eyes. And it just drives me crazy.
I've never been annoyed specifically because of someone's PoLR.
I can be annoyed by specific actions, words and specially ways of thinking of people, independently of their types.
So tbh, I've felt more irritated because of lead functions going wrong, than because of their PoLR.
Also there are things that can really hit my PoLR and then I'll be pissed and having a bad reaction. Guess generalized social things (Fe) can annoy me often. Like when someone try to push you to do, accept, think or feel certain way just because the rest of the ppl/world is doing it or because its popular (and without considering if its good/bad, healthy/unhealthy, natural/unnatural, convenient/inconvenient, true/false, logic/illogic etc). Most of my conflicts are against ideas that I consider wrong and their generalization on society, I think its due my Fe PoLR and Lead functions (Si,Te) more than for the PoLR or functions of someone else.
I find that ignoring function is sometimes much worse.
random LII: Whoa I have an idea!
Me: Do I have to put you down, again? It conflicts with... Cook up something bit more original. It doesn't add anything truly original.
LII: You are so rigid.
Antimatter was produced because of :Te: ignoring.
Me: So if we put this and this together then we...
LII: That is not what it is meant to be.
Me: Worth to try.
Socionics is there because :Ni: was ignored
Honestly, :Ne: Polr can be pretty annoying. They jugde random (decent) people extremely quickly as "unworthy", then after 3 months randomly have kids with a (not so decent) guy they just met because they feel rushed, this is an extreme example, but sometimes I find it maddening to look at.
Whatever function makes people really, really slow and completely unproductive! Te polr is annoying, but so is too much Te. Ti and Ne polrs are also annoying, such as when people cannot make certain connections or are fixating on a limited set of possibilities. Routine and conventional solutions or "by the book", while useful, cannot be the end goal. I try not to hold it against the person and make it personal though, as they have little to no control over it. Everyone has their limitations.
Only :Ne: PoLR bothers me, comes across as judgemental and closed minded from my PoV. Judgemental of other people's intentions and abilities and close minded to alternative viewpoints and ideas from others. Mind you, healthy :Ne: PoLRs are able to compensate with well developed :Ni:.
Then he is a healthy LSI that has developed his :Ni: to compensate along with other factors IMO. For every annoying judgemental close minded :Ne: PoLR, I know one that is accepting and down to earth. His :Ne: PoLR quirks seem kind of benign to me, like any PoLR's quirks are bound to be.
Haha yeah I can see Si-POLRs having INTENSE reaction to what they do not like.. like totally over the top. My room mate has it all the time to things like food she dislikes or other things she finds disgusting.
I think it is wrong to say though that you have to think about how Fi-POLRs treat their partners. Most of whom I met, no matter if ILE or SLE were decent people when it comes to that.. ILEs a basically harmless big babies, like I can't even take them seriously most of the time.. I find my own dual to be a bit more dangerous since I can see some of them being more of a man slut or more equipped to intimidate. But I met enough of them who loved their partners dearly and did everything for them and were just awkward with feelings and sometimes with morals. Especially since they weren't very judgmental of other people, because they understand that everyone is a 'sinner' and noone can live up to super high morals.. they basically get he human part.
When Fi-POLR gets annoying is definitely about their natural tendency to not understand ethical questions.. especially SLEs are all about the business... even in interpersonal matters.. which sometimes really annoys me urgh.
Fe POLR can be pretty creepy in my opinion. Had an old dude who rented his house to me and some other people and he just didn't notice how much he freaked people out with his behaviour and that we didn't want to talk to him. His obliviousness to getting the mood made basically everyone who rented a room from him past and present feel all creeped out. Some Fe-POLRs can have a bit of a columbine vibe.
I had mostly problems with IEE Ti-POLR .. their moodiness and not making sense easily stresses me out. A normal every day situation: Had a situation where an IEE friend of mine tried to find food and for the whole time he complained the restaurants were too expensive so we spent a shit ton of time to find a restaurant (I just wanted a normal salad lol) then we sat down and he suddenly didn't like the mood/ aesthetics of the place and so we left to a burrito shop where we actually spent more money than we would have spent at any of the other restaurants plus the food wasn't really nice.. I felt he totally didn't think things through and I was really annoyed that I spent more money on something I ddin't even want and which wasn't even as good as the food of a proper restaurant, lol.
With SEEs I didn't notice it that much yet, but they too can be a huge mess and cause destruction when they do not calmly think things through. They are probably a bit more realistic as sensors so they tend to be a bit more anchored in ways that make sense.
I probably dislike my own POLR too, but I wouldn't say that collecting all the facts about a topic would still not make me believe things.. I am usually very doubtful of people claiming things are a fact if they cannot show me.
I feel Te POLR translates to many IEIs thinking in very unrealistic terms, not having a reality check of what is actually possible/ what actually makes sense.. basically viewing things objectively and only being able to see their own Ti thinking/side in situations instead of a more external objective view. I am very stubborn about my opinion though and my way of thinking.. and apparently I am bad with criticism (but who isn't lol?), guess that is Te POLR.
I see this less with SEIs but mostly because they usually seem so adapted and normal and many of them do not stand out much. Ni-Ti loop is probably a tad more extreme than Si-Ti loop (similar to IEE and SEE I mentioned before).
Se-POLR can annoy me too, like those people seem so unassertive and feeble.. it can actually really upset me when people are so anti any intensity.. just too chill.. too dull and boring in general. I really like EIIs, but I occasionally have such a hard time concentrating on them, because they are almost too nice and too calm, respectful, not doing anything. LIIs seem competitive with their minds, but as a love interest they usually are very unattractive to me because of that weak Se not making me take them very seriously.
Didn't have much experience with Ne-POLR yet.. I actually do not know many ESIs or LSIs.
I also couldn't really grasp Ni-POLR yet irl.. I just know I sometimes have the urge to 'expand' the minds of ESEs.. because I feel they lack 'big' perspectives.. in general I make the mistake to think of them as 'simple' people because of that. Do they stress about minor things because they cannot see the outcome.. aren't chill about time? Otherwise I really don't know.
I know some ESEs who suck at symbolism and abstract thinking.
Fe polr is definitely the most maddening in certain individuals, it's like talking to a rude unresponsive stone who doesn't give a shit. Ne polr in ESI's can also be wtf - closed-mindedness combined with subjective Fi judgment can be difficult to handle in social situations - you have no idea where you stand with them, like ever, and their pattern for judgment of people and actions is often totally inconsistent.
There are two sides of Te polr, people who are naturally bright and like to do their own research and analysis can sometimes come with expectational ideas. Others less mentally gifted Te polrs are just pure stupid, which can be really annoying.
I can never get Ne polr, I'm able to tolerate it but I will never understand it.
Fi polr is... well fun as long as you I don't get to close to people, if I do I can't help it but see them as liers and hypocrats who lack an own sense of identity.
I think I've seen this in ESI's more than in LSI's. I know about four LSI's, and they've all ended up with duals, while ESI's never seem to end up with duals. (Well, I know one LIE who married an ESI, but that's it.) I find it kind of amazing to see how often ESI's go for some not-so-great guy or girl, and then come to regret it but stick with the program.
The way I can see this behavior being related to Ne-PoLR is to assume that ESI's and LSI's are bad at foreseeing future outcomes and bad at assessing the risks involved with many different possible actions, so they just jump on some random solution to resolve the uncertainty.
I'm sure this isn't true in all cases, but I have seen it often enough in ESI's to think that it is part of their nature.
this is a way better description of Ne PoLR than the "judgmental and close-minded" descriptions i've seen perpetuated around here.
it helps to contrast Ne PoLR with Ne-lead. Ne-leads are experts at phrasing their comments in a vague manner and carefully placing them in specific openings in "space" to get desired reactions out of people with minimal effort. context is everything, that's what adds meaning to their words, not the words themselves, but Ne PoLR is often oblivious to the context, the "bigger picture" (Ne), so, in a sense, their consistency betrays them. Ne-leads are the ultimate game-makers, whereas Ne PoLRs are merely pawns (to [malicious] Ne-leads). Ne PoLRs can be some of the least judgmental, most open-minded people out there, but their obliviousness wrt to context clues and how their words/actions may look from a bird's eye view, will inevitably lead them into sticky situations. this is probably why ESIs constantly waver between cordiality and skepticism. they know something is up, they just don't know what.
(your description was great, i just wanted to throw in my 2c)
Ti PoLR in most IEEs if we get into talking too much beyond the normal social distance. SEE isn't a problem because they don't jump around too much with ideas and are grounded instead and decently easy to follow what they are on about.
Sometimes Fe PoLR in some SLIs but it might be more due it being coupled with the Se devaluing, meaning they are too much into their own thing and nonresponsive.
Se PoLR if it results in the person being unable to negotiate over something or solve a conflict and instead makes them either overreact in a personal way or run away.
Not sure about Ni PoLR, little direct experience, but it seems pretty bad too in theory.
I just don't care to make a very detailed character analysis, everyone has some negative traits anyway. Right about not truly trusting for a long time. I dunno what you mean by them only "liking" Fe base types. Can you elaborate on this? I have some friends who aren't Fe bases.
Not a rare type, it's rather you not noticing them.
Heh to me what's annoying is if someone makes too many speculative connections via their Ne. So that must be how LII and I mutually annoy each other :D (sometimes at least)
Well-developed Ni that's still 2D and not easily accessed on demand will still mean less openness to all those random perspectives out there. But yeah, it somewhat helps to develop Ni, just not in-the-moment (because it's not so readily available on demand as I said), I find it's a more long term effect for broadening the views.
Hmm very good analysis but I only jump at "random solutions" if I see myself as really stuck with something, and I only do this in impersonal topics. Not with people, no way... maybe ESIs do this with people because they are more confident in what they feel? With impersonal topics I'm confident in the ability to figure it out later so that's why I'm more bold there with jumping at the "random solutions". My ESI mom btw did marry her subtype-matching dual :)
:shock::oops: ouch I have been victim of this. There was a Ne lead trying to ruffle my feathers with some lies, I quickly realised that he was doing it to get a reaction...mainly as I could observe the enjoyment in his face knowing that he got to me, so now I'm in total shut down mode. Like, I don't react to him at all, I only speak of very basic things if he makes conversation so he can't twist it.
Polrs that bother me? Well Ti polr only does if they are making decisions that impact on me, e.g, having one as my manager.
Ni polr .....when a LSE reacts to every little stupid thing as if it were a huge life changing deal makes me want to yell at them and then I feel sorry for them because they're wasting so much energy on something that doesn't warrent it. Another thing (not sure if this is a combo with lack of Fi too) is that they never seem settled, EVER and I feel that energy and there just seems no way to cure it. I will say something comforting, supportive, and then it's on to the next thing they're irritated with and I have to extinguish that fire haha. It seems like a never ending job and I quickly get tired of it and I have my own thing to do, you know?
Se polr... What annoys me is when they complain about things that are just about the imperfections of life that just won't change. Finding a scapegoat for all their issues when they could do something about it on their own accord.
Okay, I have thought about the topic a bit more, and I have to say that :Ni: PoLR does bother me a little. I have to keep my predictions to myself, because they either upset them or they don't believe in them and won't listen. But I don't want to keep them too myself... =(
So I feel like I cannot help :Ni: PoLR people, even though they obviously need help in that area. When my ESE-Si mother is worried sick about the outcome of a near-future situation, and I try to calm her down knowing it will be fine, my words don't reach her. She'll just frantically keep pacing around the room, or lying down on the floor trying to calm herself (ha).
When I predict something negative, she gets a rage fit and calls me a :sorc:, haha.
With my LSE-Si father, it is like talking to a wall. I make an :Ni: prediction, and at first he may even listen and ask what makes me think it will turn out that way, but then if I continue babbling on, his eyes glaze over and it is like nothing I say really reaches him.
Whenever what I have predicted comes true then, and I want to rub that into their faces so they'll listen to me next time, they just get irritated and ignore my words. Of course being like "See, told ya!" can be annoying, but still... :p I don't get it how they keep ignoring and not taking into account any of those predictions I make, particularly because I am usually spot-on with them.
All in all in my experience, the PoLR either acts like a non-receptive blockage where nothing can get through to it, or is like an un-bearingly painful sting in your softest spot.
So the next time you talk with someone and express a certain IE, take note of how the other person reacts. If they get upset or ignore it and it is like talking to a wall, it is likely you are hitting their PoLR or they simply do not value that particular IE.
In right context :Ti: PoLR bothers me but most of it can be solved using people even if they run headless.
:Si: PoLR: I think right medication helps here when needed.
:Te: PoLR: IEIs build endless easily refutable arguments. SEIs are just funny.
:Fe: PoLR. When things are bad with them it is hard.
:Fi: PoLR: we are like ultimate humanlike walls. Keep consistent mind dude!
:Ni: PoLR: I don't know. I'm not fan of putting them on handle.
:Ne: PoLR. Do I need to rub it in?
:Se: PoLR: Yes, world is a dangerous place but...
I don't think they're particularly rare. Tbh it really depends on the ESI - one of my favourite people is ESI and we always had great chemistry and love (platonic, she's a girl : ). The same with ILI's, many are great people and refreshingly similarly sarcastic to myself, it's just the openly rude and shizoid that are obnoxious.
ISxx are probably the most common types. At least in my experience.
ISTx being the most common male type, and ISFx the most common female one.
ESFJ mom reporting in
she's also a school teacher
I actually know tons of ESFj.. and lots of them are mums lol. Pretty common type within women tbh, at least here in Germany where I am from. Many popular girls at school were ESFj. From my experience the places they work at vary a lot, from fashion shops, being a nurse, fitness instructor, communication jobs.. like they are all out there and very common.
What is hilarious is that intuitives grow up to be typed as sensors by their "intuitive" children. Punks ;)
there's no justice in typology :red:
What bothers me the most is when someone is unhappy, complains about it all the time, and refuses to try to figure out how to become happier. The second most bothersome is when someone is unhappy and doesn't try to figure out how to become happier. The third most is when someone is unhappy and has a plan to become happier, but doesn't act on it.
In this thread, I think people have been associating this with Se polr, and it is pretty well correlated, though I've seen this in other types too, including SEI, SLI, ILI, and LIE. Heck, I've seen it in two ESIs even.
It also bothers me when someone obsessively worries about things out of their control. Dunno what polr that is, if any at all; I've seen it in multiple types as well. My philosophy is very much "do useful things," so (1) don't do nothing and (2) don't do counterproductive things.
I think I'm generally more affected by a person's ego functions, like @Slugabed mentioned. There are just lots of types I never get close enough to that I interact with their polr enough that it might bother me. I would imagine that if I spent enough time with an SLE/ILE, their Fi polr might bother me, but it hasn't happened yet, so...
Alright everyone, who is bothered by how the food has been eaten in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkkf0e6iqcs
According statistics, the most common types in almost all countries are ESFx, ESTx, INFP, ISFx, ISTJ, ENFP. ESFJ appears as the most common type. The tendecy is J types over Ps.
I think ESEs are more likely to become moms because they have a greater desire to do so than average so they become overrepresented as moms as a result. That does not mean that the majority of moms are ESE and that ILI moms are extremely rare, but that there is just a greater likelihood of it happening. My mom is ESE btw haha.
Yeah, that makes sense. It is only natural that there would be a flip side to being overly suspicious of benign people and that is being overly trusting of harmful people.
LSIs have to work at becoming aware of people's faults so they can become more open and ESE/IEEs are the opposite in that they need to become less trusting so they don't let in people that are harmful, which they find out after the fact.
Both just have different methods of dealing with the same problem, one relies on defense and prevention and the other on instinct and intuition, but a combination of these is ideal, which can be learned over time for these types.
ESEs are moms whether they have kids or not
its not a bad thing