You wish. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy8419
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You wish. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy8419
Oh, woops lol. You still sound like a girl, my bad lolQuote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
http://socionicasys.org/public/proto...ILE_Recede.htm
Thats one done by an official socionics person on a personal basis
I'm too handsome to be an LIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra
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I don't know what type you are, but you are like a kid.
Well, you're an ILE and nobody likes you, so have fun with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Lol. Overcompensating for some insecurities, are you?
Anyway. Since you're either unable or simply don't want to provide any reasoning for that, I'm gonna give it a go from the other end. I don't fit ILE for several reasons: I am not socially awkward. I cringe when I see socially awkward people, sometimes try to guide them to stop being like that. You seem like that, tbh. Second, I'm not a divergent thinker(that I associate with Ne/Ti). Mostly I have one idea, one solution that proves to be the correct one. Third, I don't really associate with that type as per my innate aesthetic values. Four, I am not a troll in any sense. Actually, I may be a little too sincere for my own good sometimes.
Well, you sound like you suck at people and just say "I'm good at people." That doesn't make you not awkward with people.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
You're basically just saying your opinion and calling it fact.
Ah, not really. Of course that by saying that it does not make one not awkward with people. That's obvious. You're just gonna have to take my word for that, man. For some reasoning, I usually act as a bridge between strangers and my group. So, using some logic, the bridge couldn't be socially awkward, could it?
So basically it doesn't matter what anyone says about your type nor how logical they are about it, cuz you're just going to ignore all logic and reason and say that its not real because your opinion is real? Hows that even make sense? Oh I'm looking for my type but reality doesn't matter cuz I got my own opinion? Hell you're probably running around thinking all kinds of weird junk about yourself that isn't true just cuz its your viewpoint so it obviously must be real? O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
You obviously don't get me, or tolerate me. And I feel the same way for you. Also, you are projecting a lot. That is annoying. Another reason which makes me think you must be socially awkward. And lastly? What?? You don't make sense, man. I provide reasoning and you accuse me of not talking that ENTp plate and eating it. Also, I think the reasoning is sound. Prove me wrong if you can, and I will accept.
:popcorn:
What the hell? That's STILL your opinion! You're like totally devoid of reason and logic, with every one of your posts being "nahhhhhh... My opinion." How in the world can you not tell the difference between opinion and fact? It's like all your viewpoints exist completely separately from anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
You're just reinforcing my views. You seem, for some reason, to not want to discuss the possibility of ENTp openly. Man, when you are going to provide reason and logic to this conversation, and when I will blind myself to your reasoning and logic, then I will allow you to make statements like that.
Frankly, from the beginning, you have been acting like a child. Take a step back, reevaluate, and come back.
Do what?! Everyone in here has been supplying logic, and then in every one of your posts you try and disassemble their logic, then are like yeah my opinion is reality. Ausra herself could type you IN HER OWN SYSTEM and you'd be like, nah my opinion, that's not me cuz u know... My opinion. Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say? That's right.... MYYYYYYY.... Opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
You haven't even countered a single thing that anyone else in this thread has wrote even a single time. You just resort to an unfalsifiable opinion that it isn't correct. How the hell can anyone, ANYONE, disprove AN OPINION? "Oh, this is my opinion derka der... Prove my opinion wrong..." You can't disprove an opinion, that's why the hell its called an opinion.
Geez. Calm down. I entertain the possibilities from this thread, sure. But now, I am just reffering to you. I'm going to take you step-by-step. Ready? An opinion, as any reasonable person might have, should be based on fact. If certain individual is unreasonable, incapable of seeing any other view, that individual we call close-minded. And you can't do anything to him. Now, the other aspect. Going back to the opinion, which is based on facts(as hard as it may be to talk about facts in an abstract, psychological model) you can draw a simple conclusion that certain opinion, provided that instead of saying that you are wrong, you do provide some argument based on certain "facts", may change. Allow me to draw a conclusion here. Quoting you: "You can't disprove an opinion, that's why the hell its called an opinion." That may be the case for you. But, as I said from the beginning, my opinions are in flux. You want to know why I said that? Because they adapt to new reasoning, new facts. So, you have my word that if you provide facts and sound reasoning, and if I will not have a sound reason to disprove of you, I will accept your view.
Simple enough, is it?
Yup, you're ESI as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Ne+ PoLR
Questim, cuz you don't reduce jack
Constructivist
Obstinate
Objectivist
Not Listening -> Defense -> Deconstruction of Logic -> Individual Viewpoint
Every post goes from defense to deconstructing the other persons logic.
Complete inability to use Fi and Ne together.
Now you're being more productive. That I have considered strongly. It would explain why people immediately put me on the gamma train, and also why I seem to be able to relate to the ENTjs(dual). Coupled with the fact that when I was a kid I was substatially more sensitive than I am now, it would explain the progression of an ESI kid towards becoming more self-sustained. LIE, frankly, I don't think I am. Comparing to them, I am not as active. I have less energy than the extroverts (noticeably). I can probably rule out the Fe/Ti types, despite my crazy testing as EIE, seeing as almost nobody here (besides your crazy ILE typing, Jeremy) suggested that I might belong to that axis. The Ni/Se I think is clear by now, as from my description it goes without saying that I am attracted to intensity in general. ILI would be fair to say that is ruled out. I am not socially awkward and at a party I seem to unleash(Se?). IEI goes out because of the fact that I seem to belong to the Te/Fi axis, couple with the fact that I place more emphasis on physical looks, attraction, strength and that I seem to emulate Gamma values. Now, LSI.. I would share the Se/Ni with them if I am ESI. But I don't think I am Ti dominant for the reason that I am naturally predisposed towards strong feelings, along with an innate predisposition to appreciate artistic stuff(Fi/Se, I think).
One of the doubts that I held over being an S type was the fact that I am able to assimilate and understand a large amount of information in a really short time, and then apply it, compared to what other people can do. Which is why, even though I tend to procrastinate quite a bit, I managed to get my results. I associated this with being intuitive.
I believe it is safe to say that a true LIE would never have gotten in this rut that I have found myself, dealing with this uncertainty for years.
Regarding the Te/Fi vs Ti/Fe divide, what from which I have presented made almost everybody seem to think that I would be certainly a Te/Fi type?
You could just be LIE-Ni. That would explain how you are "less active" than stereotypical LIE-Te people, how you can come across as more shy and introverted and "more sensitive", etc.
I know of an LIE-Ni who'd mistype as ENFJ for a short while, so you wouldn't be the first one.
Anyway, after all this, what type is left for you?
This is just his way of trolling and getting reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Id block takes place between ages 0-7/8. Super Id from 7/8-13ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Social awkwardness is about population percent. Socionics doesn't use the distributions of MBTI. Any of the types can and are awkward if they deviate too far from the norm into the depths of their type.Quote:
LIE, frankly, I don't think I am. Comparing to them, I am not as active. I have less energy than the extroverts (noticeably). I can probably rule out the Fe/Ti types, despite my crazy testing as EIE, seeing as almost nobody here (besides your crazy ILE typing, Jeremy) suggested that I might belong to that axis. The Ni/Se I think is clear by now, as from my description it goes without saying that I am attracted to intensity in general. ILI would be fair to say that is ruled out. I am not socially awkward and at a party I seem to unleash(Se?).
LSI is an emotivist and a declatim, neither of which are displayed by you.Quote:
IEI goes out because of the fact that I seem to belong to the Te/Fi axis, couple with the fact that I place more emphasis on physical looks, attraction, strength and that I seem to emulate Gamma values. Now, LSI.. I would share the Se/Ni with them if I am ESI. But I don't think I am Ti dominant for the reason that I am naturally predisposed towards strong feelings, along with an innate predisposition to appreciate artistic stuff(Fi/Se, I think).
No, that's just Contact Ti.Quote:
One of the doubts that I held over being an S type was the fact that I am able to assimilate and understand a large amount of information in a really short time, and then apply it, compared to what other people can do. Which is why, even though I tend to procrastinate quite a bit, I managed to get my results. I associated this with being intuitive.
LSI has innert Ti, meaning they don't assimilate new Ti. Their Ti is set in stone, and they see the world through these set, unchanging rules.
LII is similar, but does so through an illogical lens.
Neither actually speaks logically or is considered "logical" by colloquial usage. The ones who seem logical are going to be those with contact logic.
Adam actually speaks with feelings, not logic, because he is an emotivist. He's also a Declatim.Quote:
I believe it is safe to say that a true LIE would never have gotten in this rut that I have found myself, dealing with this uncertainty for years.
Well, because I know the difference, and that's what it is lol. Being Fe vs Fi has not just that point of consideration, but affects many other things as well. When in doubt, you utilize the other ones. They can only all align one way or the other.Quote:
Regarding the Te/Fi vs Ti/Fe divide, what from which I have presented made almost everybody seem to think that I would be certainly a Te/Fi type?
I'm EII, btw.
Newp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
That's me knocking on PoLR for verification. Opinions/Viewpoints are Ne. :}
Well... I can state with enough certainty that I am Questim, along with the fact that I am most certainly a Constructivist. The Contact Ti theory makes sense. Hadn't thought of that. Obstinate... I guess that makes sense also, seeing as though I have a tendency to not go down without a fight for some ideas. Gamma values I think are pretty clear. Regarding the j/p divide, this has been a conflicting point for me along the years. Taking another thing into account, which is my introverted nature, it would point to a introverted type. Now, as per Reinin, I would be left with SLI and ESI. I think the SLI goes out of the equation as I am sure that I belong to the Ni/Se divide.
Taking Reinin out of the equation, I would still be left with the options of Gamma types. ILI drops, I think, for the aforementioned reasons(too focused on what is, much emphasis on aesthetics, loving the rush from risky situations). SEE was never an option for me. Regarding LIE, I think I had contact with one in my childhood for a few years. Much more energetic than me, always needing to progress towards something actively. I just don't see a LIE being this indecisive for years. Short period, yes.
So, again, that leaves ESI. I think this fits me the most, from a general POV. Should have came here earlier. Settled most of my doubts.
Funny how Jeremy's ESI typing was him just trolling, but now frankwithyou actually settled on that...
The current reasoning points towards that conclusion. I think it is safe to say that if a guy is undecided between ESI and LIE, he would have a lot more chances of being ESI. Still can't believe Jeremy considered me ILE at some point, though:lol:.
Huh? No it wasn't. I read OP and that's his speaking pattern, so I said "ESI." It's on the first page. Then I built evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra
You seriously don't see the pattern I've been using when saying people are ESI? Their posts are alllll Defense and Deconstruction....
I didn't lol. I r master of illusion lolQuote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Hey, here's best info on Reinin Dichotomies. Ones one Wikisocion are crap / fake. These are from the leading authority on them at current.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ls-and-Reinins
She's also an ESI.
Actually, if a guy is undecided between those two types, LIE is more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
Because ESIs usually have a clearer and stronger idea on "who they are". :p
They rarely stay undecided for that long, in my experience.
But alright, if you wanna wear the badge, try it out and see how it goes.
My reasoning was that, being Te lead, they would probably go through a much faster process to decide what they are. Leaving some stones(aka perspectives), less dwelved into in favour of the speed of reaching the decision. Now, I could be wrong. I see your point also. It may be that I have had this problem because of my enneagram.
You admitted to getting reactions before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy8419
"who they are" is Ne lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra
Process =/= ResultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Conflictor and PoLR are part of results. Er go... Couple pages of adopting ILE persona and poking Ne PoLR
I would agree you can pick between ESI and SLI. You do have a strong focus on Fi and Si. Good luck with your final confirmation of your typing and then using it to hopefully learn more about yourself. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by frankwithyou
@frankwithyou, have you ever told someone "You have no idea what I'm thinking"?
Do you think a glass is half empty or half full?
When you are planning a project that you've never attempted before, do you focus more on what you have to work with, or on what you are lacking which will prevent you from accomplishing your goal?
Do you think people can change, or do you think they are either for you or against you?
PS: Your response to Jeremy's poking does seem a bit like Ne PoLR. So ESI is pretty good yeah.
I got a bit annoyed by Jeremy's trolling too, does that make me Ne PoLR too? :p
So does this mean potential billionaire is off the table for now? :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra
Not really. I don't think so. Most problems would stem from the fact that people would misinterpret what I said. And fixing that.
Leaning towards half empty. Gotta fill that glass.
Tough to say. I am right now engaged in that type of project. I think that I focus more on what I have to work with, as what my focus is now is to discover all the things that may serve me to complete it successfully.
I generally believe that people don't undergo major changes in life, meaning that I think that the innate predispositions will always be there. Variations could appear in manifestation. Regarding the second, I don't really classify people that radically. As in I don't think I have enemies, just people that, in some specific circumstances, are either for me or against me. Now, this does not apply to some categories. Some close friends that I have, some family members, I could never think they could be in any circumstance against me. Emphasis is on "some".
@Adam Strange
I thought he was referring to you when he said, "She's also an ESI."? :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra
Idk, what's everything look like under the hood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassandra