I was just trying to explain the discrepancy between my initial photo and that one. I wasn't fishing for compliments
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hmm yah maybe partly. in all serious i think it's both. you can be genuine, while finding the most effective way to present that genuineness. i think doing that is the goal of most ILIs i know (SLIs handle their Fi HA in a bit of a different way). but in my experience they don't always accomplish that. on the one hand they want to be and come across as genuinely as possible, but then on the other hand they have an awareness that a lot of other people are playing a "game", and they resent this but they take the minimum measures to make sure they aren't filtered out of it socially. yes i know the ILI type well hunty.
this from the Ti polr thread was victimy as hell btw
was it? I've always wondered what victimy even looks like; I was just trying to cut to the core of the issue because I feel like if I don't say precisely what I mean and think is going on then I'm partially responsible for leading people on. and my goal there was not to encourage this sort of thing, but I guess I failed...but I don't think its all bad cause I think some good points are being made in the process
I feel like beta and gamma have this thing where they're struggling for power, and it may seem by just telling it how I see it I'm participating in that, but that's really not my motivation... I'm just trying to figure things out not brainwash people into thinking Im SLI because I get off on it or something to that effect. Although I will say that I hope gamma wins, if Im being honest, but that Ill come by it honestly not as a result of some crazy game. like I don't want to play, I want off that ride. I want the whole world off that ride
i *just* realized too that you put this thread in the general socionics discussion section and titled it "contact functions, subtypes, internet discourse" when in fact it was all about trying to start a discussion about you or sneakily inception your POV into the heads of others. this is roundabout as hell and definitely an Ni ego thing.
if you, or anyone else reading this thread needs more proof on your typing ILI, there you have it.
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Your pic looks more SLI than ILI, granted. More in tune with the moment, not contemplative enough. And the ILI pic does look a lot more Victim than you do. It's possible that you were just using a lot of Ni role in topics you are knowledgeable about.
Of course, a couple photos don't mean too much, only if it's typical of how you look by default.
So umm, I got curious, since an SLI girl here, Slugabed (I can't explicitly mention her I think) claims she doesn't focus on all that Si body stuff, she isn't so much in tune with her own body or health and just focuses on sensations, sensorial experiences and while she focuses on comfort seeking, she does not focus on the physical body - do you relate to her with that?
Of course, where she said she doesn't keep schedules for eating or proper diet, that isn't actually Si since such strict adherence instead of being tuned into what the body wants naturally at a moment is more like Rationality and/or Se valuing.
Victim Ni looks like, from my pov, hm, soft, pliable and contemplative. If Se of an IxI suddenly comes into play, then that Se seems very raw and un-refined to me (more so for the IxI-Ni's). It takes my attention very much, both these (the Ni and the Se aspects as described here).
The last two sentences... umm why?
As for the rest of the posts - if one tries to assume based on type as to which internal motivations are behind posts of a typee and the assumed motivation always ends up being a mismatch according to the self-reporting of the typee, I don't know what that means.
Visual diagnosis: SLI purest form. Industrially produced one.
Would you be comfortable making a video? Sometimes that sort of thing is helpful with figuring out people's types. Usually, as far as VI goes, its better to have a wide range of pictures, preferably in different settings, to get an overall mean of that person's demeanor. This might help you get the answers you are looking for.
I have my doubts that you are a logician to begin with. The majority of your posts are reliant on your own personal feelings and assumptions, to the extent that I am wondering if you are Fi ego. In any case, I don't think you are SLI-Te. You also wouldn't be ILI-Te. There is way too much bias for you to be focused on Te. If we are going purely vibe wise, I would put you at Gamma over Delta. You have elements of emotional hostility, aptitude for confrontation, and cynicism that are more indicative of a Gamma. These elements are more noticeable in Gamma than in Delta, more specifically in Gamma introverts. SLI is difficult to see. I would encourage at looking at alternatives, maybe answering a questionnaire.
I don't relate to this definition of Ni activating, or I don't consciously see Ni running in the background all the time, nah. For me it can come up with some conclusions in "flashes" at times in situations, yep, but this can't be done on demand, the process is not enough under conscious control for that. My relation to it is a more tenuous kind of control, I can stop and instead try and focus in a contemplative mode and hope it will work and it actually works better to get some conclusions on data in front of me than I think it would, due to not feeling much control over directing the process. So yeah, it's tenuous on the whole, I don't often try and do this. My relationship to Si for example is a much more reliable kind of control even though that one is also not very conscious. I relate to the Ni suggestive one if your description is taken literally but suggestive doesn't really do this much on its own.
Jung was no SLI. :lol: His Ne is way too strong for that.Quote:
Ni role is just trying to make sense of the world in a way that stays true to "norms" in other words, its not particularly self serving. It has this aspect of being "the voice of the past" (or traditions). In other words Ni role has its own unique structure that can be more or less advanced and what you're seeing here is just a sophisticated expression of Ni role. The misconception is that any sophisticated expression of Ni must be Ni dom or Ni aux, but the reality, as I see it is, Ni in any position can have a sophisticated expression--rather the position informs the overall structure of how that Ni functions from within the organism. And when Ni role turns in on itself in a complex way you get people like Jung and Peterson.
Anyway. You should define some things more, for example, what you mean by the structure being advanced or not advanced, or your post here isn't going to make much sense.
Maybe in line with whatever you read up on in terms of matching some ideas, and you do sound like you read up on a lot, but it isn't adding up for me due to you mixing random bits way too freely.Quote:
It may seem that this right here is a wacky theory, but from my point of view its actually in line with very traditional views of human wisdom...
Actually, I'm going to stop commenting on most of the post, it's pointless for that reason, with you adding MBTI and/or Jung into Socionics. Not a good idea to mix different systems together that are not fully compatible and then deducing conclusions from that.
Just two more comments:
Socionics Si is physically grounded, not in "phenomenological and historical experience". This isn't MBTI or Jung, again. Here Sensing information is consistently defined as the directly sensed aspect, Si included.Quote:
one way to think about Si dom and Ni role is to think how there's an inherent conservatism to it that stays grounded in personal experience and any Ni elocutions are going to reflect that. Whereas Ni egos differ in character, they run ahead in a way that's hard to wrap ones mind around if you're not paying attention but they are iconoclastic and reacting to something (in the case of beta) whereas Si is trying to vindicate the past and is reactive in the sense its trying to stay true to something. So even though Sam Harris' philosophy can be kind of trite, it is radically progressive in the sense that it is not grounded in respect for the past the way say Jung's analytic psychology is. Ni has this ability to detach completely, whereas Si is grounded in a phenomenological and historical experience. Its the difference between banal progress and highly creative traditional approach
Mixing enneagram too into it now... Eh, so, there is no presupposition like that in dimensionality theory. That's completely not about that. It's about how information is processed, by just using normative patterns or by having flexibility on top of that. Specific skills can be learned well, yes, this will not be entirely determined by type precisely for this reason and for other reasons.Quote:
there's also a presupposition that higher dimensionality Ni is "right" and that "role" Ni could never be better, but that's like saying Kobe Bryant could never beat a SEE at basketball. Nietzsche has this entire passage on how "useful mistakes" are the foundation for our concept of truth--the difference to me between role and ego Ni is that role is not trying to make new mistakes but master the old ones, whereas Ni egos function to provide new ones. in that case they're the ones most likely to be off-base; yet they are also the ones, in sufficient numbers, who occasionally make a useful mistake (this is their evolutionary role--their service to humanity). But if your goal is no mistakes (e1), that is role Ni
thanks for all the feedback, everyone. I read everything and will think about it. will post when I get back from work. especially the idea that i could be gamma feeler--I have to say on that point I wish I were dresier but I think that's just values
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Here's a picture of who I believe to be ILI #2 (used with permission). Tell me what you guys think, even if not ILI. From my point of view they cover two of the more stereotypical ILI looks, between the two of them
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I feel like this is a real balzac
for the longest time I thought he was IEI, so I can kind of buy SEI. he's really nice I kind of doubt he has Fe PoLR, but at the same time he's very dialectical algorithmic; right down to being a programmer. But then again so is SEI. His girlfriend is LII as far as I can tell (very childlike)
I feel like it's doing a great disservice to people .. more or less indirectly insulting actually to type someone as a sensor just because they're more attractive/put together. Aushra even stated in the Dual Nature of Man that intuitives can often look more put together than sensors because they're afraid of looking out of place.:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...gustinaviciute
"All sensor is well understood for itself and others' physical needs. Able to assess your physical abilities and use them. That they are elegant, graceful movements openly attract the attention of a partner. Intuitive , at best, believe in what they say. And just as long as they say. Therefore, always afraid of becoming dependent on the speaker's compliments. How logical is not inclined to believe that he loved so intuitive constantly in doubt about whether that is attractive, handsome, fit. Touch is stylish to be noticed. Intuitive often more elegant, but only in order to not stand out, be less noticeable. He seems to hide behind its elegance."
This is not the best translation out there, but this is the article on this site. Anyway, you get the picture. Intuitives in my experience can be just as attractive and well-dressed, or more, than sensors. We have a truckload of beautiful intuitives here on this forum: @Chae @Adam Strange @Starfall @ScarlettLux @Vespertine @hacim .. this is by no means an exhaustive list. Judging by how attractive someone is, is no way to type.
Good point. I can obsess over my appearance thinking something's not right (also comparing myself to others to look what is adequate, that's also an enneagram thing).
And.... ;~; SDFdsfkdlk I'm blooshing how can you flatter us so much :oops::oops::oops::oops:
http://s.storage.akamai.coub.com/get...9948_image.jpg
Attractiveness and typing --> arbitrary. Andy Biersack is such a pretty stylish boo but also intuitive, any argument is invalid!
I think an even bigger problem is also to not type someone based on what they themselves think they are. It's funny to me that so many people see SLI based on VI because I don't, and I wonder if these same people would have if you hadn't put SLI as your self-type.
I don't know if it's possible to train people to be less biased or treat typing with a better methodology here. I believe people just don't care.