Originally Posted by
jason_m
By now, I have spent some time researching socionics and observing myself and other people. The following are the traits that I believe actually clash. I have given this a lot of thought. If I clash with someone, it is over one of these dichotomies every time! I therefore believe that these are like quadra values, and therefore how many of which two types share determines how well they relate. Therefore, tell me how strongly you feel about these traits, and where you stand with them. If you want to add any to the list, feel free to do so...
1) Impersonal vs. Personal ('Investigative' vs. 'Social' in Holland's Code or 'Logic' vs. 'Ethics' in socionics). I am impersonal. I am therefore task-oriented, analytical and investigative. The other side of the coin is someone who is really warm, appreciative and affectionate. How do we clash? I'll give you an example: I love using the computer to contact people. Why? Because it makes things more task-oriented, and so I have a greater degree of control over what I'm doing. Someone more personal would find computers to be too 'unfeeling,' and would rather talk to people on the phone than use a computer. This is 'sappy' to me. OTOH, in conversations, I am distant, not concerned about how people feel, and I don't notice the general mood that people convey. Therefore, I come across as 'cold' to people who are more personal. Therefore, one side is more impersonal and investigative, while the other side is more personal and feeling. Then I am impersonal and it would then be clear how the two sides clash.
2) Abstract vs. Concrete. ('Intuition' vs. 'Sensation' in the MBTI). When learning or explaining something, some types prefer the big picture. That is me. I simply hate it when people give too much detail. I also much prefer abstract subjects where the details are basically omitted to something that is more practical. Therefore, I am drawn to fields like philosophy, English, and economics over something like biology, electronics, or business. The opposite of this would be like the 'craftsman,' who I would suspect is the most practical, to whom a course in philosophy would be a course in 'abstract jargon.' Therefore, I am clearly abstract.
3) Organized ('Conventional' in Holland's Code or 'Judging' in the MBTI) vs. Disorganized ('Perceiving' in the MBTI). One type likes to make lists, keep schedules and is organized. They are also detail-oriented. The other side is more open-ended and 'flies by the seat of their pants.' Think Oscar and Felix from the movie 'The Odd Couple.' It is clear how they clash. I am more disorganized here.
4) Laid-back vs. Perfectionistic. I really clash with certain people here. In my case, when, for instance, I am learning something, there is a 'right' way of doing it and a 'wrong' way. I therefore demand absolute perfection when I'm learning because of this. Even small differences, like the font being off can bother me. This applies to other areas as well. For instance, I like to watch sports, and in doing so, there is almost an 'algorithm' to how they should be watched. I basically expect things to be in certain ratios, proportions, and degrees. When this isn't the case, I can become really flustered and agitated. The opposite side of the coin gives the impression that they simply don't care; life doesn't come in these 'perfectly shaped boxes,' and so perfection is not important. Perfectionsists then are 'uptight' to them. Think Felix and Oscar from the TV show 'The Odd Couple.' I am therefore perfectionistic.
5) Serious vs. Fun-loving ('Serious' vs. 'Merry' in socoinics). Serious style sees life as 'serious business' and things 'shouldn't be taken lightly.' For them, life is not fun, and you cannot expect it to be fun either. The other side is more fun-loving, more pleasure-seeking, and less serious. It is again clear how they clash. I am fun-loving.
6) Realistic vs. Idealistic ('E8' vs. 'E4' in the Enneagram). Realists are strong-willed. They don't back down and don't mind putting up a fight if necessary. Think Donald Trump. Idealists are sensitive. They don't like stepping on other people's toes. To realists, idealists don't fight for what they believe in. To idealists, realists don't have enough ideals. I am an idealist here.
7) Positivist vs. Negativist. Obviously, positivists looks on the bright side, while negativists see more what's wrong with things. It is again clear how they clash. I am positivist.
In my case, my strongest function is 'Abstract', my weakest is 'Realistic,' and my suggestive function is 'Fun-loving.' That's how I get 'LII.'