what's up with all the esi hate?

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Originally Posted by ooo

I reported this episode to describe how cold ESIs can come off.

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She is not cold (not emotional) in the context of the discusssion.

> She definitely didnt empathize with the waiter

Anyone may express negative emotions. She was effective, while did nothing inappropriate by words or actions. Only played by intonations to inspire guilt in a worker so he better followed own duties.
Though I do not reject other possble types for her. What is clear - she's doubtfully to be E-9, which tend to hold own anger inside until inadequate "boom".

> although errors are common and can happen to anyone

And she has fixed them with minimum efforts and without excessive violence and humilation. :) Has cared about the needs of herself and people depending on that worker, has reduced his possibility to be dismissed.

> She simply stated that it wasnt the order she made, but the tone was as cold as bitchy.

"cold" tone and low compassion to the worker, but good emotionality

> and act as if you have all the rights to be rude

She was lesser rude than many people would in that situation.

...Sol were u sitting in the table next to us? AHA.

you dont know how that turned out! or what she did or not lol

>"cold" tone and low compassion to the worker, but good emotionality<

yes very cold

Sol is exemplar of Causal deterministic cognition. DarkAngelFireWolf69 basically wrote it to essentially describe LSI's. I don't think he did good job with it. Too singular.

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Originally Posted by Tallmo

ESI can be very narrow-minded in how they relate to someone. There is no openness to the other person, just their own "truth" paired with the urging character of creative Se.

It's like they monopolize the relationship and if you deviate from that in any way, they will look perplexed and maybe blame you for that.

They don't notice this in themselves because the base function feels so natural.

The functions should be used for some task, not as a general way to relate to someone, for that you have to be present as a whole human being, and that goes far beyond Socionics.

But, it depends on the person, as usual. In developed, mature ESIs you don't see this negative trait so much. This goes for all types btw. Neurotic persons tend to be caught up in the ego functions as if it was the whole person. It's like they become identified with their type.

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I found this and your other comment in this thread to be among the most insightful observations I have read on this website. I’ve been keeping the idea here in mind of late — the tendency of an ESI to monopolize relationships. It’s 1000% true ime, that using Fi alone to relate to a person is truly not enough to let them in, to see them. As you say, it goes far beyond socionics (and how to get there, hasnt been so clear to me over the years. Have been finding my way a bit lately, though, which perhaps is why I feel secure making this comment at this point)

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what kind of strength is, "esi are good at picking out flaws and faults"?

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You don't get fooled by peoples' bullshit facades as much. Comes in handy in this world because all you've got is yourself in the end.

I haven't seen much hate against this type. I personally get along with them well, but think they sometimes need to be a bit more lenient with others. However, every type has its flaws and ESIs are no exception, but they all also have their strengths.

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Originally Posted by Claudius

I haven't seen much hate against this type. I personally get along with them well, but think they sometimes need to be a bit more lenient with others. However, every type has its flaws and ESIs are no exception, but they all also have their strengths.

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There was around the time the thread was made, they were mostly called moralizing jerks and a bunch of generic insults, mostly in the chat box.
Each type gets their turn on the hate wheel.

I like ESIs a lot and always glad to talk to them. I've had sleep problems for so long and I finally talked to a female ESI doc, and she gave me solid, clear advice. Simple advice...but she knew that's what I needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isyFX5OUekg

Did you hear the one about me being a prick?
Did you know I don't care and you can suck my...

Do I care if you hate me, do you wanna know the truth?
C'est la vie, adiós, good riddance, fuck you!

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Originally Posted by Lady Lioness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isyFX5OUekg

Did you hear the one about me being a prick?
Did you know I don't care and you can suck my...

Do I care if you hate me, do you wanna know the truth?
C'est la vie, adiós, good riddance, fuck you!

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Good song I didn't know it !!

https://c.tenor.com/QmXqDjqTBuMAAAAC...orld-wayne.gif