ON the 13th year of my membership here: type me

by these basic facts:

I once answered in a job interview that a good manager is one who has in depth knowledge of all the various functions in the department and apparently that was the wrong answer (:( ) - this was a long time ago.

i've been doing yoga for many years then got bored with it and stopped. now i'm back to swimming, which is what i did before yoga.

a good friend growing up compared us and said we're rather similar in that we seem to get along with most people. i have something i'd like to add to that but decided to bite my tongue against it now, as then.

i have a cat pet.

I've taken a liking to physics, like, really.

maybe some manner of type can be pulled together out of these (??). thanks.

so are we supposed to wait 13 years or are you claiming 13 years have elapsed?

Need more info to type you, maybe answer TheHotelAmbush Questionnaire

Here's a little more:

I learned how to knit from ESE, she made it a lot of fun and would get flustered by random conversation of a third person.
Then SLI helped me along the way, correcting all the errors; alas made it seem more like work than hobby

Above was in a random drop-in so i didn't choose the people

OR, type me by my zodiac, aries:
http://www.aci-iac.ca/content/art-bo...Au-Theatre.jpg

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so are we supposed to wait 13 years or are you claiming 13 years have elapsed?

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you can do it just about NOW :P just throw a type and run!

I've only had one or two typing threads in my entire 'stay' here, even if i've had some morons pass judgements on my character many more times than that.

well, i guess it's sufficient information for basic things like si/ne or ni/se.

Another friend had become spoiled confessing to me all his adventures with various girls for years on end, i don't know how i got him so spoiled like i didn't really need to know all the who and where and what he said and what she said and so on, maybe he'd fancied me a priest (????);

My ex-roommate says i should pick up boxing to come to my senses after a divorce that left me, well, senseless: my ex-husband went for everything, including the cat. Maybe she's right: i just turned down the paramedic without even realizing it. M. says i should just ditch it all and move to Cali, he says it's not worth it and forget about the cat it's pretty much lost.


M. says forget the landscape too, and its beauty and bits of my soul i'd left in it and in the trails, just call the whole massive thing off every last bit of it.

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i have a cat pet.

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!!! Tell us more.

M. just says to dump everything and move to Cali, because he is in Cali. hm.

Here's two more pieces of information:
I didn't get a lawyer for my divorce; I didn't go to the court hearing for my divorce.

So, I'd hate to bore somebody, like it makes me sensitive to things like clinging on, overstaying your welcome, all according to how I 'd judge a situation like and why not have this be type related?

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!!! Tell us more.

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The cat, who is a she and really lovely, is gone post-divorce i'm afraid but the typing thread is still here! :)

I guess I'm doing this for myself as much as for anybody else, so might as well add more facts:) :

I look at a majority of things in my life in terms of skill: have i got the skills for that, for this and so on, whereas some other people might think in terms of goals (have i met my goals for this, etc)

I once hired a private detective and was neither impressed nor surprised by his findings as I'd already found as much myself beforehand.

Far be it from me to be a victim in a situation/ enough said. Delilah / felafel

The rather puzzling and idiosyncratic way that you tend to communicate seems most typical of Ni leading types. What you've provided in this thread might suggest some Te. I recall you used to type as LII no?

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i've had some morons pass judgements on my character many more times than that.

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You are playing with us 'morons', too?

@thehotelambush
I'm like "Why, what, who?" at said communication. I don't get the point. That usually means :Ti: is involved. See detective example. It has to be intuition as well, a lot of temporal and interest references.

All I know is, the style reminds me of @unsuccessfull Alphamale's. I don't know what he's talking about and what purpose it serves. It's rather Dadaistic. (Use this as a perfect signature quote.)

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You are playing with us 'morons', too?

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Lol no, by no means:), that's a reference to the distant past. I just didn't know what information would be most relevant so I decided to include a few snippets of various experiences hoping that some of them might be relevant.

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Lol no, by no means:), that's a reference to the distant past. I just didn't know what information would be most relevant so I decided to include a few snippets of various experiences hoping that some of them might be relevant.

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Ohh there goes :Te: :thumbsup: All righty :D

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Now that I think about it, you do seem to communicate similarly to user @Alomoes....

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I'm curious in what way? He selftypes as ILI and i rather think another type for me.

I've been inclined towards EII, but I couldn't tell ya why. I suppose just that you seem quirky and affectionate, and have expressed trouble setting down hard boundaries. My mind is still open. I like seeing your poetic and unpredictable words around this place.

:) I have thought IEI, or perhaps EII, although I think you seem quite Irrational. INFx seems likely to me in any case. (I can't plainly express what brought me to my conclusion other than your choice of language and phrasing...I may have more meaningful thoughts later!)

@willowglass: I'd got a few dichotomies that fit well, like strategy and constructivism and i do lean positivist, taciturn leanings too; there's a few others i've toyed with but decided to leave unanswered to surprise myself when i observe them irl and allow for stereotypes (oops, i meant subtypes j/k :));

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:) I have thought IEI, or perhaps EII, although I think you seem quite Irrational. INFx seems likely to me in any case. (I can't plainly express what brought me to my conclusion other than your choice of language and phrasing...I may have more meaningful thoughts later!)

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I know these are mostly impressions etc, but i mused on Ni for a bit and any descriptions of it or types and i really don't identify with being in Ni observant position, like I'd rather go the extreme - and have gone - in order to not be in the receiving end of others' actions; like under no circumstances do i allow myself to be in the receiving end nor do i care to play the poor-me victim card. But all in all I gather you're just musing this too and it's just an impression and thank you for it :)

Your avatar pics give me a sense of Si-valuing.

@Adam Strange: I had wanted to try LSI and see if the shoe fits :)

@Delilah, I think LSI or SLI are both possibilities.

About all I can really tell is that you are introverted. As for the rest, I don't really have enough relevant information.

you are 13 years here?

i think the average opinion might be IEE.

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you are 13 years here?

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Hi :) Hm, on and off, with long periods of no activity, yes, 13 since when I became a member. Are you puzzled I'm wanting to reality-check type? :)

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@Delilah, I think LSI or SLI are both possibilities.

About all I can really tell is that you are introverted. As for the rest, I don't really have enough relevant information.

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I was joking on that, but I know we've not chatted much so there isn't much to go by. Thanks nonetheless.

I rather like this avatar, it has a certain something something to it even if i've generally espoused a bemused distance towards my avatars:)

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Hi :) Hm, on and off, with long periods of no activity, yes, 13 since when I became a member. Are you puzzled I'm wanting to reality-check type? :)

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I'm puzzled. I think I prefer it when you say things no one else can understand and I have to guess from that. :>

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I'm puzzled. I think I prefer it when you say things no one else can understand and I have to guess from that. :>

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me too, me too :)

I would guess you're an Ni lead of some sort. This whole thread is a little incomprehensible to me. I usually associate cryptic behavior with Ni and this thread is full of exactly that. I really can't see a sensing type for you. I guess I can kind of see some Te valuing in here but I'm not as sure about that. I don't really see how you could be a sensing type.

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I would guess you're an Ni lead of some sort. This whole thread is a little incomprehensible to me. I usually associate cryptic behavior with Ni and this thread is full of exactly that. I really can't see a sensing type for you. I guess I can kind of see some Te valuing in here but I'm not as sure about that. I don't really see how you could be a sensing type.

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It's disjointed, isn't it? I started out sharing a few snippets of my experiences and choices I'd made, at least that way the account is factual and maybe more useful imo. Thanks :)

I remember feeling a vague Ne-dom/Alpha vibe about felafel. :shrug:

I'll pm u

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I guess I'm doing this for myself as much as for anybody else, so might as well add more facts:) :

I look at a majority of things in my life in terms of skill: have i got the skills for that, for this and so on, whereas some other people might think in terms of goals (have i met my goals for this, etc)

I once hired a private detective and was neither impressed nor surprised by his findings as I'd already found as much myself beforehand.

Far be it from me to be a victim in a situation/ enough said. Delilah / felafel

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What exactly do you mean by goals here? This could be related to either Se or Te. Te is more about evaluating the effectiveness towards reaching certain goals or outcomes while Se is more about pushing yourself to achieve your goals.

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What exactly do you mean by goals here? This could be related to either Se or Te. Te is more about evaluating the effectiveness towards reaching certain goals or outcomes while Se is more about pushing yourself to achieve your goals.

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I suppose it's more a question for those who get oriented via goals, but for me i'd say for instance it's my goal to become really good at X - like a particular job track if it's work-related, or focus on my swimming style and become super-fly (:)) if it's physical-related. But like i wanted to go into freelance and I thought of skills again, like I wondered if i had the appropriate skill set to go on a particular path: like would I be able to meet all the demands that particular freelance path places with the skills I have and how can i acquire them? I guess tho this is also a bit of phase since I'm thinking a lot about career these days. Does this clarify things somewhat?

I know some people think in terms of say income bracket they want to be in by certain stage in life, etc, and that's a bit different than my approach.

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I suppose it's more a question for those who get oriented via goals, but for me i'd say for instance it's my goal to become really good at X - like a particular job track if it's work-related, or focus on my swimming style and become super-fly (:)) if it's physical-related. But like i wanted to go into freelance and I thought of skills again, like I wondered if i had the appropriate skill set to go on a particular path: like would I be able to meet all the demands that particular freelance path places with the skills I have and how can i acquire them? I guess tho this is also a bit of phase since I'm thinking a lot about career these days. Does this clarify things somewhat?

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Strong Ne + Te most likely. A type with high Se would be more focused on goals/outcomes rather than potential (of which skill is a special case).

Delta NF

-Definitely not LSI/Ti-Valuing (Delta, Gamma > Alpha, beta)
-Strong N impression.
-After reading some posts, generally came off warm, bubbly and fuzzy, using emoticons and such etc (lol)... F > T

-Therefore Delta NF. (You also mentioned testing as INFJ in previous tests, so this is consistent)

IEE/ENFp

-Clearly comes off skeptical, (Te-valuing) and
-Open to possibilities/potential, etc (+Ne)
-Comes off slightly scatter-brained in describing life. (+Ne, -Ti)
-Unable to narrow down a type despite being a long time member, also suggesting (+Ne, -Ti)
-Emphasis on getting better/acquiring skills for your career and such. (Te-valuing)
-Seem mixed on whether you were introverted or extroverted. But, I feel like most INFjs would know this in themselves (E > I)
-You also tested/gave the impression that you were more spontaneous and free-spirited (P > J)


I'm gonna say ENFp > INFj





https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c84d2a216a.jpg

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I suppose it's more a question for those who get oriented via goals, but for me i'd say for instance it's my goal to become really good at X - like a particular job track if it's work-related, or focus on my swimming style and become super-fly (:)) if it's physical-related. But like i wanted to go into freelance and I thought of skills again, like I wondered if i had the appropriate skill set to go on a particular path: like would I be able to meet all the demands that particular freelance path places with the skills I have and how can i acquire them? I guess tho this is also a bit of phase since I'm thinking a lot about career these days. Does this clarify things somewhat?

I know some people think in terms of say income bracket they want to be in by certain stage in life, etc, and that's a bit different than my approach.

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Yes, it seems as though you were talking about Se since you don't orient yourself towards goals which would make it a matter of perception

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Another friend had become spoiled confessing to me all his adventures with various girls for years on end, i don't know how i got him so spoiled like i didn't really need to know all the who and where and what he said and what she said and so on, maybe he'd fancied me a priest (????);

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The way you talk about spoiling someone sounds like devalued Si, and I don't think this attitude is typical of ethical types. Would you care to elaborate here?

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Writing style without analyzing content reminds me of LII.

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oh, i'm flattered :)

However, when I look at the world around me I see it broken and beautiful in its multitude of micro and macro equilibriums but I lack the invisible strings to pull at the right spots and without breaking to play with it; I have but one stick, am much more, how to put it, staunch. Think of a pole dancer with only so many tricks up their sleeve;

or this: (a more distant example lol)
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017...T5-blog427.jpg

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I suppose it's more a question for those who get oriented via goals, but for me i'd say for instance it's my goal to become really good at X - like a particular job track if it's work-related, or focus on my swimming style and become super-fly (:)) if it's physical-related. But like i wanted to go into freelance and I thought of skills again, like I wondered if i had the appropriate skill set to go on a particular path: like would I be able to meet all the demands that particular freelance path places with the skills I have and how can i acquire them? I guess tho this is also a bit of phase since I'm thinking a lot about career these days. Does this clarify things somewhat?

I know some people think in terms of say income bracket they want to be in by certain stage in life, etc, and that's a bit different than my approach.

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Tactical>Strategic? I know you said strategic fit well (thus the question mark as I could be interpreting wrongly what you're saying here)

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Tactical>Strategic? I know you said strategic fit well (thus the question mark as I could be interpreting wrongly what you're saying here)

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Do you think tactic? I'm curious, from what I get of dichotomies so far I'd assumed I'd *leaned strategy

This may be somewhat unrelated: i find interactions with people who're strongly tactic to be wearing, like I don't know what they want at any given moment but there's sure something more than meets the eye, if this makes any sense.

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The way you talk about spoiling someone sounds like devalued Si, and I don't think this attitude is typical of ethical types. Would you care to elaborate here?

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Hi, it's a bit difficult since I don't know how it got started but it turned out he confided in me a lot in a way i feel slightly spoiled due to the sensitivity of information, the feelings etc etc.

But you're right there are things I associate with Si/Ne I don't particularly relate to like leaving things for the last minute what is what i see in SLI i know; or maybe that's irrational Ne/Si i dunno

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Hi, it's a bit difficult since I don't know how it got started but it turned out he confided in me a lot in a way i feel slightly spoiled due to the sensitivity of information, the feelings etc etc.

But you're right there are things I associate with Si/Ne I don't particularly relate to like leaving things for the last minute what is what i see in SLI i know; or maybe that's irrational Ne/Si i dunno

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It sounds like it may have to do with Fi then. This may be devalued Fi, but I'm not sure. Do you usually have difficulty dealing with personal sentiments?

I think putting things off is more common in irrational Ne/Si types than the rational ones.

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It sounds like it may have to do with Fi then. This may be devalued Fi, but I'm not sure. Do you usually have difficulty dealing with personal sentiments?

I think putting things off is more common in irrational Ne/Si types than the rational ones.

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In the case i described the whole nature of relationship had become burdensome, to where I had become this friend's confidante inridiculously close ways, including detailed accounts of his personal encounters with women lol.

Personal sentiment is fine even if sometimes I see irony in it, in the expression of sentiment and how it matches or doesn't with action and a line of previous sentiments expressed. I have enjoyed your questions :)

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In the case i described the whole nature of relationship had become burdensome, to where I had become this friend's confidante inridiculously close ways, including detailed accounts of his personal encounters with women lol.

Personal sentiment is fine even if sometimes I see irony in it, in the expression of sentiment and how it matches or doesn't with action and a line of previous sentiments expressed. I have enjoyed your questions :)

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Okay that wouldn't indicate devalued Fi, I'm not sure any type would necessarily want that.

Why is it that you decided to structure the thread in this way instead of by a questionnaire?

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Do you think tactic? I'm curious, from what I get of dichotomies so far I'd assumed I'd *leaned strategy

This may be somewhat unrelated: i find interactions with people who're strongly tactic to be wearing, like I don't know what they want at any given moment but there's sure something more than meets the eye, if this makes any sense.

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Yes, that's what I thought I saw, but I'm not sure.

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Okay that wouldn't indicate devalued Fi, I'm not sure any type would necessarily want that.

Why is it that you decided to structure the thread in this way instead of by a questionnaire?

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I'm too familiar with most socionics questions, so primarily to avoid bias but also because i didn't want to bore someone going through a long-a** questionnaire and yes i'm biased on what's boring. I'm trying to use Reinin dichotomies these days to bypass other typings methods.

There are parts in questionnaires and descriptions that are too obvious, like i vaguely remember "you really appreciate people who are efficient and can make things run efficiently " - to me it's really obvious where this is heading

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I'm too familiar with most socionics questions, so primarily to avoid bias but also because i didn't want to bore someone going through a long-a** questionnaire and yes i'm biased on what's boring. I'm trying to use Reinin dichotomies these days to bypass other typings methods.

There are parts in questionnaires and descriptions that are too obvious, like i vaguely remember "you really appreciate people who are efficient and can make things run efficiently " - to me it's really obvious where this is heading

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Ok if it was primarily based on interest that would point to Ne valuing. Do you think Reinen is more reliable than typing on functions?

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Ok if it was primarily based on interest that would point to Ne valuing. Do you think Reinen is more reliable than typing on functions?

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I appreciate Reinin and its observable-ness, but this is getting tiresome, i only wanted a bout of typings! :)

Let's take the Zen view to the Reinin situation, and to thank you for your contributions:)

"A monk came from Ting-chou's assembly to Wu-chiu, who said to him, "What do you find in Ting-choue's teaching? Is there anything different from what you find here? The monk said, "Nothing different." Wu-chiu said, "If there is nothing different, why don't you go back there?" and he hit him with his stick. "

:)

Current main guess: ENFp / IEE.

The shotgun approach of throwing out a bunch of potentially helpful, anecdotal information reminds me a lot of my own typing threads, but less orderly and contained. I was able to follow this thread very well, even if I didn't immediately make judgments about what each factoid might mean.

Fi is not a weakness at all for you. :love:

Also, "too much deep theorizing, not enough fun options!" :lol:

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Current main guess: ENFp / IEE.

The shotgun approach of throwing out a bunch of potentially helpful, anecdotal information reminds me a lot of my own typing threads, but less orderly and contained. I was able to follow this thread very well, even if I didn't immediately make judgments about what each factoid might mean.

Fi is not a weakness at all for you. :love:

Also, "too much deep theorizing, not enough fun options!" :lol:

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<3

Because of missing a certain orderliness in writing i also considered a gamma SF type, mostly because I tend to skip details as I consider them self-evident (like if i see them anyone else should too lol) even as i don't believe i'm an extrovert; all in all i'm grateful to have received replies in this thread as i've hardly made any threads on my type here at all :)

You're an exceptionally weird, "artistic"/scattered IEI.

This thread is proof of Te polr: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ation-of-Types

Even an IEE would have enough Te to not read something wrong and mistakenly start an esoteric-sounding thread on it.

@niffer: even if you think i'm IEI the rest of your characterization of my person seems unnecessary/ redundant/ personally-motivated, so it comes across to me *shrug*

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@niffer: even if you think i'm IEI the rest of your characterization of my person seems unnecessary/ redundant/ personally-motivated, so it comes across to me *shrug*

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:D

Te polr proof #2

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<3

Because of missing a certain orderliness in writing i also considered a gamma SF type, mostly because I tend to skip details as I consider them self-evident (like if i see them anyone else should too lol) even as i don't believe i'm an extrovert; all in all i'm grateful to have received replies in this thread as i've hardly made any threads on my type here at all :)

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Gamma SFs, especially ESIs, are not the type to carelessly omit details. Orderliness in writing is about Se and Si as well as Ti. Omitting details also points to lack of Te. IEI works.

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You're an exceptionally weird, "artistic"/scattered IEI.

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:thumbsup:

There are some opinions on this thread that amount to a pile of poop to me.

For whatever it's worth typologically speaking, the material you provided in your first couple of posts made basically no sense to me. It was only when some other member mentioned that they see it as some delicate collection of hints that I vaguely got the point of your posting them. It now seems obvious in retrospect, but initially I wondered if you were joking :lol:

I could see ILI or ESI, I overlook stuff right in front of me sometimes and on the basis of said error or omission construct a castle. it happens to an embarrassing degree

i think its a failure of Ne essentially, because it would say, wait, stop, check again--but Ni gets so sure of itself and [Fi] really wants to express whatever its about to come up with. Te/Fi takes the sketchy intuition as some kind of data point and works off it as if it were true

its happened enough times with me that I'm fairly certain that's whats going on, maybe the same is true for you? I think its a Fi + Ni artistic impulse at bottom

well, I think the courting process goes something like this:

>meet someone you don't hate
>duality activated
>????
>doesn't it seem like everybody on this forum is just, like, perpetually fucking with each other?
>????#??@#?@
>these threads are only fun if you like to talk about yourself, which, I mean, who doesn't? and that's why we have so many of them!!!
>I hav 3

hey there. I type you *shakes magic 8ball* EII 8w7 -DCHsh Fe subtype lmnop. ESTP, something Strativeisulenko Gamma prototype.

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I tend to skip details as I consider them self-evident (like if i see them anyone else should too lol)

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I do the same, very often. I even have a note written to myself on the bulletin board above my desk that reads "Things aren't as obvious to other people as you assume they are" to remind myself to give more information and explain more clearly. I still forget to do this.

Part of the reason why i started this thread, though not the whole reason, was to test whatever possible perceptions i give off.

It happened to me once irl that according to feedback (which I'd asked for) i didn't get a particular job because I was perceived as 'not needing it' - which is so far from the truth so i do wonder sometimes if my gauge of how i come across is poor or something. Thanks for that @squark & @Bertrand, i feel better about the details bit now :)

I've submitted a poll to make it easier for those of few words :) I like questioning and there are still a few things I'd like to work out (like why i get along decently with ESE men for instance).

Oh and a pic for VI *Poof*
(Pls. no quotes)

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Oh and a pic for VI

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you've closed the eyes by glasses - it prevents to use your nonverbal for typing
if you need adequate VI - make a video

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you've closed the eyes by glasses - it prevents to use your nonverbal for typing
if you need adequate VI - make a video

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I'm actually really bad with keeping up to date with taking pictures and then too shy about posting them, but if any of these changes i'll be comfortable with providing more VI.

Anyhow, does the rest of the text in this thread give you any insights? I'm fence-sitting on ESI; in Reinin I'm sure i lean on process (slightly) and constructivisim. There were a few other dichotomies I had put down as certain but maybe we'll see if it's a possible discussion option first I don't know who here uses that as methodology.

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Anyhow, does the rest of the text in this thread give you any insights?

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The imprtant "insight" I've gotten during reading forums for these years - people who read about types may play in them in big degree. They may describe themselves and try to behave in a way to rise the possibility to be typed to some types. For example, S girl wich thinks herself as N type may talk about her imagination, how she likes to dream etc. So I prefer to see nonverbal (at least) of a human as it's almost impossible to be falsificated. In other cases I prefer to not have sure opinion.

> in Reinin I'm sure i lean on process

Reinin's traits are baseless and are not normal Socionics. don't use them or you may be easily misleaded like by any other baseless hypothesis

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Strong Ne + Te most likely. A type with high Se would be more focused on goals/outcomes rather than potential (of which skill is a special case).

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I actually wondered whether you might want to elaborate on the bolded? I'm just curious you could say about the way you see the relationship between skill and potential - for me when i think Skill i don't think Oh yeah a subset of potential but it's interesting as perspective.

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I actually wondered whether you might want to elaborate on the bolded? I'm just curious you could say about the way you see the relationship between skill and potential - for me when i think Skill i don't think Oh yeah a subset of potential but it's interesting as perspective.

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Skill = potential of a person to be good at something

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Skill = potential of a person to be good at something

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Skill is more like something that a person is already good at or has learned to do well. I don't think it's Ne to look at a job and think "What skills are required to do this, and how can I learn them?" Ne would be more like considering your innate abilities and the various ways you could use them.

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Skill is more like something that a person is already good at or has learned to do well. I don't think it's Ne to look at a job and think "What skills are required to do this, and how can I learn them?" Ne would be more like considering your innate abilities and the various ways you could use them.

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The bolded i'm really bad at, like i'm considering changing professional path exactly because i've been bad at that exact thing (natural propensity ascertaining); LSE I spoke to about it is way way better at such than me even though they're not Ne ego block.

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The bolded i'm really bad at, like i'm considering changing professional path exactly because i've been bad at that exact thing (natural propensity ascertaining); LSE I spoke to about it is way way better at such than me even though they're not Ne ego block.

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I'm bad at it too - it's the hardest part imo.

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Skill is more like something that a person is already good at or has learned to do well.

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ok, if you want to get technical, replace "skill" with "talent".

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I don't think it's Ne to look at a job and think "What skills are required to do this, and how can I learn them?"

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I don't remember saying it was. This sounds like NeTe perhaps, or mostly Te, rather than pure Ne.

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Ne would be more like considering your innate abilities and the various ways you could use them.

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Of course.

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Originally Posted by thehotelambush

ok, if you want to get technical, replace "skill" with "talent".

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Different things.

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I don't remember saying it was. This sounds like NeTe perhaps, or mostly Te, rather than pure Ne.

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You didn't, that was a paraphrase of what Delilah wrote regarding her approach.

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Originally Posted by squark

I'm bad at it too - it's the hardest part imo.

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Thanks, i feel better now lol. Do you think you can differentiate between rational and irrational? Few people here have said they get an irrational vibe and i was wondering where from.

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Thanks, i feel better now lol. Do you think you can differentiate between rational and irrational? Few people here have said they get an irrational vibe and i was wondering where from.

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I usually look at temperament as a whole rather than splitting out rational/irrational since IP and EP look different, as do IJ and EJ. That's IRL though - temperament can be hard to tell online as you don't see how the person is moving, reacting, general flow of life, activity level, rigidity vs softness etc.

Edit: btw The Exception brought up some good ideas re. static/dynamic in the other thread, and that's one thing you can also notice in activity level. Dynamics are like a machine that winds up and winds down. Statics tend to leap from inaction to action (especially noticible in EP, but compare an IP getting going vs IJ and you'll notice it too. The IP seems unhurried, everything has time. Think: sloth lol. Not so for the IJ which is more sudden in changes. Oh, there was an old thread on IJs dancing which illustrates the difference in an amusing way: IJ Dance)

:Ne: base is not really something what you acknowledge doing when you are one. It is like everything outside of yourself is open for its manipulation all the time. It is not a tool anymore and creativity is then channeled towards rational IEs.

I think to a point where you live outside of it. You just see objective potentials. Do I demonstrate ability: maybe but I don't really notice it myself but others do all the time. It is like I'm wasting myself due to my own irrationality. It lives on outside world.

Just understand what base is all about: program that runs you.

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I could see ILI or ESI, I overlook stuff right in front of me sometimes and on the basis of said error or omission construct a castle. it happens to an embarrassing degree

i think its a failure of Ne essentially, because it would say, wait, stop, check again--but Ni gets so sure of itself and [Fi] really wants to express whatever its about to come up with. Te/Fi takes the sketchy intuition as some kind of data point and works off it as if it were true

its happened enough times with me that I'm fairly certain that's whats going on, maybe the same is true for you? I think its a Fi + Ni artistic impulse at bottom

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Did you mean Se instead of Ne? How would Ne say "wait, stop, and check again"?

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Part of the reason why i started this thread, though not the whole reason, was to test whatever possible perceptions i give off.

It happened to me once irl that according to feedback (which I'd asked for) i didn't get a particular job because I was perceived as 'not needing it' - which is so far from the truth so i do wonder sometimes if my gauge of how i come across is poor or something.

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There is an aire of dismissive haughtiness in your posts, like asking for type opinions and after others contribute opinions saying some of those opinions amount to poop to you. If your interviewer noticed this, they would assume you don't care much for the job and deny your application.

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There is an aire of dismissive haughtiness in your posts, like asking for type opinions and after others contribute opinions saying some of those opinions amount to poop to you. If your interviewer noticed this, they would assume you don't care much for the job and deny your application.

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Hm. In the post in question where i dismissed something as 'poop' i was referring to someone's comment about me being weird. To me personally that came across as insulting. Hope this clarifies things somewhat.

I'm kinda contemplating EII. Any comments on this would be welcome as well (so long as they're constructive rather than shoving a type down my throat)

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Did you mean Se instead of Ne? How would Ne say "wait, stop, and check again"?

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honestly I'm not sure about this anymore, but I will say I continue to make assumptions that bite me in the ass. the question really becomes is acknowledging this sort of thing happening at all a feat of self awareness or a symptom of lack of it... I think most people make a zillion assumptions and don't realize it, so it comes down to do I make more assumptions without realizing it or less and what does that mean in terms of type. I do think there is an intuitive aspect to it at the very least because its wrapped up in conceptual leaps and imagination. "wait, stop, and check again" comes down to realizing you screwed up somewhere based on indicators such as getting the wrong answer on a test or seeing someone respond negatively to something you didn't intend. its like there was always something there, you just didn't see it. that could be various functions, but at the end of the day it seems to be like a Ne ligthbulb that pops up that is like "hey! you missed something, you just don't know what it is yet"

as to Delilah I think she's hard to type but I feel like we have a positive ITR, then again we speak at a pretty large distance so maybe its that. but I think by now I've talked enough shit for anyone not to like me if they were at all inclined to go that way

I'm now wondering if you (and maybe some of the other female forum members I've typed as IEI) might actually be ILI. You seem somewhat more "grounded" than most IEIs.
EII would be better than ESI in that it's not Se ego (which I see no possibility of). But I don't see a good reason to consider it.

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I'm now wondering if you (and maybe some of the other female forum members I've typed as IEI) might actually be ILI. You seem somewhat more "grounded" than most IEIs.
EII would be better than ESI in that it's not Se ego (which I see no possibility of). But I don't see a good reason to consider it.

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I don't relate to a dynamic type. As for IEI i think i'm pretty clear on the Te/Fi end of things. I also don't relate to Fe polr, even if certain forms of Fe gross me out - if I were Fe polr i might be more clueless about Fe or how to proceed whereas i have definite opinions and judgments even if i don't necessarily share them.

From socionics.com EII profile, irl i really resonate with this:
"INFjs prefer to observe people for sometime before making contact in order to identify social hierarchy in a group. Normally INFjs do not show initiative when making contact for the first time. "

and this:
"INFjs do not like to project themselves: when everybody works, they work too, when everybody rests, they rest too. INFjs often cannot stand violence, conflict and graphic depiction of injuries. " - tho the violence thing depends, like in comedies where it is often displayed differently than, say, a thriller, it's ok

13 years...

When are you gonna sacrifice a goat?

Ah, that. For Orthodox Easter I'll have lamb, thanks for asking @Olimpia.

But not really tho. You see, i was gone for several years, and then again. So, it's more about when i first registered here.

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Ah, that. For Orthodox Easter I'll have lamb, thanks for asking @Olimpia.

But not really tho. You see, i was gone for several years, and then again. So, it's more about when i first registered here.

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I didn't even know the forum existed for that long...

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I'm kinda contemplating EII.

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It's doubtful your type to be base Fi.
Don't remember did I saw a video of you.

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It's doubtful your type to be base Fi.
Don't remember did I saw a video of you.

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Do you try to save all forum's members' videos on your computer for "research" and "data"? :p

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Do you try to save all forum's members' videos on your computer for "research" and "data"?

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No. It's others' work in KGB.

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It's doubtful your type to be base Fi.
Don't remember did I saw a video of you.

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Base Fi is actually the one thing i really identify with, in both ESI and EII.

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Base Fi is actually the one thing i really identify with, in both ESI and EII.

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normal material like video interview would help to understand you better. typing without this is not serious, so may be anything

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You're an exceptionally weird, "artistic"/scattered IEI.

This thread is proof of Te polr: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ation-of-Types

Even an IEE would have enough Te to not read something wrong and mistakenly start an esoteric-sounding thread on it.

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I kinda want to address this, since you brought it up in chat again.

I often see IEIs trying to bring another person down, maybe when they think the person is full of themselves. I never do things like that, even when i think someone is full of themselves. I never want to bring another person down. As for influencing their mood, that too is beyond my purpose - i find that needs much too much raw energy which i don't want to project.

As for being "artistic" - sigh, that is far from me. In my blog i have one single "poetry" and that is about my mother who passed away a few years ago. I never mention her directly, not do i effuse any kinda love, it's all understated in fact it might even give the wrong idea lol.

I'm quite a follower of common sense in my daily life and don't consider myself "artistic" even though i have some appreciation for art i'm just far from creative.

This being said, as i mentioned, you are entitled to your own opinion.