USA politics following Trump's election

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Originally Posted by Duschia

Because it is impossible to be 1000% objective. See Karl Popper and three-worlds interpretation: our sensation is invariably polluted by the fact that we are subjective in our observation of objective world. Thus, our thoughts, concepts, everything - is a bit blurred by our motives and whatever. You cannot wholly detach from your subjectivity - you can try as much as you can with good logical conduct, but there is always that element of subjectiveness left. Even in science - a thing that Popper calls intersubjective (but still, not 100% objective, just trying to be).

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You are right. Kant talked about this in his definition of the noumenon as opposed to phenomenon.

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(Popper is either LII or ILI but damn, he would tear socionics to pieces as unfounded)

Humans are subjective, and there is a study that looks at humans as subjective beings and tries to gain that intersubjective knowledge about them (so things can get predicted): psychology.

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I'm just aproximating my big5 results and translating them into both typology systems. I don't think we are at a point where the mind is acessible to science. INTP is close enough aproximation to how and why I behave the way I do.

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Also: if you look at one of the more popular political goals in history, it is /to increase happiness/ of someone/something/everyone. This happiness can be defined in multiple ways, and there is a lot of 'feelings' involved here. Treating humans as feelings-void is just very delusional and not really addressing reality. The only way to minimize subjectiveness is to: acknowledge feelings are being involved; inspect them logically piece by piece; decide with that knowledge (including feelings in equation or not). This is the only plan that gets you to achieve anything close real detachment.

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I know you are a intelligent person and I respect your perspective on the matter, but politics is about power, not about happyness. The average person ofc just wants to live and be happy, but its not the average person in the end who takes power and wields it towards his own ends. People's wants and desires make them easy targets for manipulation. Its how marketing in business works for example. Within politics this makes the mob a useful tool when directed right, which is mostly what is happening.

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Moreover, people on average tend to be really moved by feelings and knowing their feelings you can predict their (re)actions. How this is useless? This is very real-world based. This is how you get pragmatic solutions.

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This would be useful if I were actually trying to convince people of something, but that isn't what I'm after be honest, I'm just criticising because I'm frustated.. In my experience we (myself included) learn best by failing and suffering the consequences. This is necessary in my subjective opinion, so I don't try to convince other people by being diplomatic, understanding and working with my understanding of them in order to arrive at a solution which benefits us both. These things are reserved for my friends and family only. With people I know personally, people I care about I'm quite a different person. I try to be honest as much as possible here, if I were to say that I care about people whom I do not know personally.. I'd be lying to myself.

EDIT: hmm so yeah, I guess you are right in a sense. Feelings matter. They certainly direct my attitude and goals when dealing with people. I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Pirouette

So you disregard everything I say, and then just link a video about ancestors which I know about, and tell me to take a DNA test. This isn't really debating.

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I apologise i shouldn't have dismissed you like that. Sometimes I forget that there is a real person behind a from account, its easy to fall into the trap of just being combative online.

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Originally Posted by Pirouette

Isn't r/redpill or r/blackpill or whatever literally full of men who call themselves incels anyways. So incel is not even comparable to a "slur", it's not a term that has been systematically used for centuries to dehumanize a group of people. That's just laughable. Incel doesn't carry anywhere near the same weight as other racial or gendered slurs.


I'm in no way mad I just. Fail to see the logic.

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I suspect that it's going to be, because the association has been successfully made between them and terrorists. And it's a similar scenario to when someone says "I'm not a pedophile" or "I'm not a nazi." The denial might be true, but they'll assume you are one just because you deny it. "Oh, I'm not a terrorist - " no terrorists would admit to being one. But now, the association is between weak men, and terrorism. So it is a dangerous term in that regard.


That's the logic. Like publicly calling someone "nazi" or "pedophile," it's a damaging charge even if it turns out to be false.

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Originally Posted by sbbds

@Grendel you can change the fact that you’re an incel (well, you may disagree I guess) or act evangelistic and condemn blacks and gays, but I can’t change the fact that I’m a chink.

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But you don't know that I am really an evangelical or condemn blacks and gays. You just know that I like some people who are, and that I would never condemn a relative, sure.
But you're also being deceitful to think there's a hard binary where someone must either be universally bigoted against everyone outside of their group, or universally xenial. It's not a hard line between "I think my people deserve to rule every nation" and "One group exclusively rules every nation and they are bad, and must be overthrown everywhere."



The trouble is that there are real world examples of people extending their notions of solidarity so far that it's damaging. To my understanding, these "anti-racist" polemics have been abused in bad faith in Australia to silence criticism of the Chinese governmental and corporate fifth-column that's been buying out control of the country and steering it to actions far out of line with the wishes of the former population. So of course I'm suspicious of the "anti-racism" train being stretched to infinity. It's like a dead meme at this point.

The problem with solidarity is that it equates acceptance of any one other group, with so much tolerance towards every outside group's actions that you can no longer criticize one of them, even if their actions are damaging. To my knowledge, the "anti-racist" notions we preach in western countries aren't actually taken seriously on the Chinese mainland, but every time a pro-PRC shill tries to spread seeds of doubt and invalidate the USA, racial divides are the first cudgel they use.

That tells me that this endless myopia over a single issue that hasn't been solved in decades - and probably never will be solved - is what will annihilate the only culture in the world that tolerates me. So many companies come out in favor of BLM when the money's on their side, but none speak out against the oppression of Hong Kong because of all the Chinese money they'd lose. It makes me think US racial tensions are a farce that's distracted us too long from the serious issues.



So that's what I mean when I say "fuck solidarity." Many of the same people who protest for equality in the US are also spewing shit like "all nations matter," which includes the ones that hate me. I don't even mean "fuck racial justice," just fuck the Solidarity aspect to it. Geography is a thing. It's not all black and white, you've created a false cosmology where instead of a tank full of sharks, there's only one great white shark you have to kill as if no other shark will replace them. No lesser-evils, only one evil to rule them all.

Also, fuck the brocialists who would gulag me for being weak for the greater good. When they reveal shit like that, I know their universal solidarity is a self-serving lie. Shit like that is what make me say it really is a zero-sum game of groups vying for power.

Every time there's an incendiary divide between the people in this country, it's always over a stupid race issue.

"People should get along even if they're different" is so cartoonishly obvious that even a child could understand it. The fact that the public hasn't learned this lesson already shows that this can't be the real heart of the issue. If it were that simple, it wouldn't still be a problem after decades. That's why I have my doubts.

What do you expect us to do? Throw away whatever we were doing and join in the riots? Do you have a plan of direct action to decisively solve this problem once and for all, or do you want us to just stand in a circle chanting "Woe is us, our evil can never be forgiven"? Keeping informed doesn't mean jack shit if you can't take direct action based on this information.



It's better to say "Why yes, I accept that the world is injust! Fuck yours, got mine!" than pretend to be outraged and be a slacktivist. Because all I'm really equipped to do at this point is slacktivism.

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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers

The facts speak for themselves, debating the obvious is pointless. What people feel is irrelevant.
Why would anyone be interested in other people's subjective interpretation of things?

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So you are saying that according to science, skin tones don't exist and we are all gray men now?

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Originally Posted by Pirouette

So you are saying that according to science, skin tones don't exist and we are all gray men now?

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He must travel to South-Africa and take a long walk at the suburb of Johannesburg around sunset. That is the proper way of learning about the existence of various skin tones.

Downtown of San Jose, Lagos or Islamabad are also a good places to learn about variation of skin colors.

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Originally Posted by Grendel

But you don't know that I am really an evangelical or condemn blacks and gays. You just know that I like some people who are, and that I would never condemn a relative, sure.
But you're also being deceitful to think there's a hard binary where someone must either be universally bigoted against everyone outside of their group, or universally xenial. It's not a hard line between "I think my people deserve to rule every nation" and "One group exclusively rules every nation and they are bad, and must be overthrown everywhere."



The trouble is that there are real world examples of people extending their notions of solidarity so far that it's damaging. To my understanding, these "anti-racist" polemics have been abused in bad faith in Australia to silence criticism of the Chinese governmental and corporate fifth-column that's been buying out control of the country and steering it to actions far out of line with the wishes of the former population. So of course I'm suspicious of the "anti-racism" train being stretched to infinity. It's like a dead meme at this point.

The problem with solidarity is that it equates acceptance of any one other group, with so much tolerance towards every outside group's actions that you can no longer criticize one of them, even if their actions are damaging. To my knowledge, the "anti-racist" notions we preach in western countries aren't actually taken seriously on the Chinese mainland, but every time a pro-PRC shill tries to spread seeds of doubt and invalidate the USA, racial divides are the first cudgel they use.

That tells me that this endless myopia over a single issue that hasn't been solved in decades - and probably never will be solved - is what will annihilate the only culture in the world that tolerates me. So many companies come out in favor of BLM when the money's on their side, but none speak out against the oppression of Hong Kong because of all the Chinese money they'd lose. It makes me think US racial tensions are a farce that's distracted us too long from the serious issues.



So that's what I mean when I say "fuck solidarity." Many of the same people who protest for equality in the US are also spewing shit like "all nations matter," which includes the ones that hate me. I don't even mean "fuck racial justice," just fuck the Solidarity aspect to it. Geography is a thing. It's not all black and white, you've created a false cosmology where instead of a tank full of sharks, there's only one great white shark you have to kill as if no other shark will replace them. No lesser-evils, only one evil to rule them all.

Also, fuck the brocialists who would gulag me for being weak for the greater good. When they reveal shit like that, I know their universal solidarity is a self-serving lie. Shit like that is what make me say it really is a zero-sum game of groups vying for power.

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Err, I never said any of those things so I’m not sure where you got the idea that I meant that. (Also, I was making a general allegory since I didn’t get the impression that you yourself would directly condemn blacks or gays.) I also wouldn’t like the negative consequences of what it’s led to taken to an extreme obviously, like you said it wouldn’t really benefit anybody and has really led to ANTIFA etc. But that’s quite extreme and only makes up a tiny portion of these issues IMO. Racism exists and impacts people’s lives negatively on a day to day level, was my point. I would condemn a relative if their actions condemned others unnecessarily btw, but that was besides the point that I was trying to make. Your little old grandparents being able to be racist and getting away with it does not mean that it’s good, or that you can be racist/bigoted too (again, speaking generally here) and expect to be received in the same way. It doesn’t even take any effort actually, referencing your post made afterwards. It takes the absence of negative action, and also refraining from becoming triggered also lol.

I also noticed that you deleted your original post from the previous page @Grendel . Why?

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Originally Posted by Pirouette

So you are saying that according to science, skin tones don't exist and we are all gray men now?

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I'm saying the skin tone doesen't matter much, its not what makes an Ethiopian the best long distance runner of the species. Also by categorizing every nation and tribe under one label imo we fail to recognize the rich diversity that can be found under said skintone.

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Originally Posted by khcs

He must travel to South-Africa and take a long walk at the suburb of Johannesburg around sunset. That is the proper way of learning about the existence of various skin tones.

Downtown of San Jose, Lagos or Islamabad are also a good places to learn about variation of skin colors.

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Ha! I had you pegged as a chinese troll. Looks like I was wrong lmao. Anyway its a shameful display whats happening in the US lately. e_e Americans of European descent have no spine or pride.. pissing your pants and kneeling is the dumbest move if you want to fix race relations, its the equivalent of bleeding into the water with sharks circling. Shameful display.. I have lost all respect for those self flagellating imbeciles. I'm pretty sure the other side sees them as french as well. Only the french would pull a bs move like that. Goddamn french americans! XD

I guess recent developments however are poetic justice in a way. The west forced christianity on us by the sword, dismembered the nation leading to the loss of 75% of our territory and 35+% of the ethnic population (same shit they did to Africa and the Middle-East), threw us to bolshvik dogs, let us bleed to death when the Russians drowned the revolution in blood. Throughout all of this we survived. e_e feelsgoodman.. in time we'll crush the EU and get revenge, especially on the french.. and the best revenge is to endure and live well.

Good memes tho: https://youtu.be/WqUFlLCLFlI

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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers

I'm saying the skin tone doesen't matter much, its not what makes an Ethiopian the best long distance runner of the species. Also by categorizing every nation and tribe under one label imo we fail to recognize the rich diversity that can be found under said skintone.

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"...its not what makes an Ethiopian the best long distance runner of the species." Are you an alien? The species? Haha ;P

Seriously though, this ignores racial dynamics and societal weight from the past that carries on to this day, and must be dealt with in the present and the future. People can't just go "Let's forget everything and move on.". That's an outlook that is very rose tinted, since people have been born into a society with a history that has a lot of different racial dynamics at play.

Once again I do believe it's colorblindness and ignoring problems, and I personally find it to be quite reckless in the long term. But these are just my beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Pirouette

"...its not what makes an Ethiopian the best long distance runner of the species." Are you an alien? The species? Haha ;P

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:P humans are just animals, like a cat or a dog, but we walk on 2 legs and do other advanced shit, doesen't mean we aren't just animals. :thinking: lel I treat my cat like a human.

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Seriously though, this ignores racial dynamics and societal weight from the past that carries on to this day, and must be dealt with in the present and the future. People can't just go "Let's forget everything and move on.". That's an outlook that is very rose tinted, since people have been born into a society with a history that has a lot of different racial dynamics at play.

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Ofc they can't, I won't forgive what western Europeans did to my country and people either. The shit we had to suffer though.. but I'm not going to punch every Frenchman in the face, burn their shit, loot and so on either.

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Once again I do believe it's colorblindness and ignoring problems, and I personally find it to be quite reckless in the long term. But these are just my beliefs.

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I respect your beliefs, but its not a good reason to allow the looting, killing and vandalism to persist. Americans are just harming themselves, it makes for funny memes, but recent developments have been nothing but destructive.

He is right imo: https://youtu.be/YVIhRvkT8kg Crab mentality.

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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers

:P humans are just animals, like a cat or a dog, but we walk on 2 legs and do other advanced shit, doesen't mean we aren't just animals. :thinking: lel I treat my cat like a human.

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Humans are animals, I agree with that. I would treat my cat like a family member, and I treat the other cats in the house like little family members haha.

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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers

Ofc they can't, I won't forgive what western Europeans did to my country and people either. The shit we had to suffer though.. but I'm not going to punch every Frenchman in the face, burn their shit, loot and so on either.

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Punching every Frenchman and making them suffer for things they personally didn't do would be pretty ridiculous. What I'm just saying is that I don't believe in colorblindness.

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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers

I respect your beliefs, but its not a good reason to allow the looting, killing and vandalism to persist. Americans are just harming themselves, it makes for funny memes, but recent developments have been nothing but destructive.

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I don't agree with looting and I find that incredibly counter productive. I don't think people should kill unless it's in self defense or to protect others. I don't think it's right for protesters and rioters to vandalize the property of innocents. However, the vandalism of government owned property and artworks, especially to prove a point? I don't really see that as a bad thing since these all support the system, and these can sometimes be quite moving imo.

Not trying to enforce morals or anything, and I respect your viewpoints as well.

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Originally Posted by sbbds

I also noticed that you deleted your original post from the previous page @Grendel . Why?

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Because it was in poor taste, and in a poor context to be venting about something only tangentially related to the main issue in this thread, based on information I have that would've made it make more sense but didn't want to disclose. I shouldn't've said anything and the most that could come of it is being an attention-whore.


Basically it's awful that these catastrophes are going on, but I still hate the left-wing as a whole for other reasons I won't fully divulge and shouldn't do here.

@Pirouette. The "problem" is due to how we're all essentially mutts her in 'Murrica. I, for instance, am of primarily Scotts-Irish/German descent with a wee bit of "native" mixed in with god only knows what else. Back in the "old world" if you're "Italian" or "Spanish" or anything like that you're likewise pretty damn certain of where you "belong" ethnically speaking. I don't got that. Hell, the only quasi-ethnic identity I can assert to any degree of certainty is that I'm Catholic. Hate or love that as you will.

I'd recommend a book titled "The 11 nations of America", it explains a whole lot. Especially why I hate the protestant Puritans so damn much. Medieval SJW's they were. Damn those asshats straight to hell. At least my kind can still take a joke for the love of Christ! I wish I could say the same for the now godless commies who used to profess that I was a filthy papist...

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I'd recommend a book titled "The 11 nations of America", it explains a whole lot. Especially why I hate the protestant Puritans so damn much. Medieval SJW's they were. Damn those asshats straight to hell. At least my kind can still take a joke for the love of Christ! I wish I could say the same for the now godless commies who used to profess that I was a filthy papist...

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Good riddance.. sorry you are stuck with them tho. Yurop so nice without them heheh. Catholics are nice, not a believer myself, but Catholics are nice imo, my dad is catholic.. bless his SLI soul. (When a protestant marries a catholic, the kids end up pastafarian)

Sometimes I think all those kneeling and chanting SJWs are just what happens to puritans who stop believing. They'd be odd like that regardless what they believe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ded-force.html

Crime dropped by nearly a third in New Jersey town where the police department was disbanded and replaced with cops who go door-to-door on their first day

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The former chief of the disbanded police Camden Police Department in New Jersey told on Tuesday how crime in the town went down after the department was torn up and replaced by one in which cops held neighborhood barbecues and went door-to-door to introduce themselves to residents in a bid to win their trust.

Camden got rid of its police department in 2013 after becoming known as one of the most violent towns in the US. A new police department replaced it and officers were taught to focus less on arrest quotas and more on making the community feel safe.
Since then, crime has gone down drastically; there were 67 murders in 2012 compared to 25 in 2019, and 65 excessive force complaints in 2012 compared to just three in 2019.

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ENFJ - Hamlet?

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https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-consequences-of-jokes-that-denigrate-6385.

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Most of the time prejudiced people conceal their true beliefs and attitudes because they fear others’ criticism. They express prejudice only when the norms in a given context clearly communicate approval to do so. They need something in the immediate environment to signal that it is safe to freely express their prejudice.

Disparagement humor appears to do just that by affecting people’s understanding of the social norms – implicit rules of acceptable conduct – in the immediate context.

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For instance, in studies, men higher in hostile sexism – antagonism against women – reported greater tolerance of gender harassment in the workplace upon exposure to sexist versus neutral (nonsexist) jokes. Men higher in hostile sexism also recommended greater funding cuts to a women’s organization at their university after watching sexist versus neutral comedy skits. Even more disturbing, other researchers found that men higher in hostile sexism expressed greater willingness to rape a woman upon exposure to sexist versus nonsexist humor.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...a-dda1c8fff54c

How did sexist humor make the sexist men in these studies feel freer to express their sexist attitudes? Imagine that the social norms about acceptable and unacceptable ways of treating women are represented by a rubber band. Everything on the inside of the rubber band is socially acceptable; everything on the outside is unacceptable.

Sexist humor essentially stretched the rubber band; it expanded the bounds of acceptable behavior to include responses that would otherwise be considered wrong or inappropriate. So, in this context of expanded acceptability, sexist men felt free to express their antagonism without the risk of violating social norms and facing disapproval from others. Sexist humor signaled that it’s safe to express sexist attitudes.

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Originally Posted by End

@Pirouette. The "problem" is due to how we're all essentially mutts her in 'Murrica. I, for instance, am of primarily Scotts-Irish/German descent with a wee bit of "native" mixed in with god only knows what else. Back in the "old world" if you're "Italian" or "Spanish" or anything like that you're likewise pretty damn certain of where you "belong" ethnically speaking. I don't got that. Hell, the only quasi-ethnic identity I can assert to any degree of certainty is that I'm Catholic. Hate or love that as you will.

I'd recommend a book titled "The 11 nations of America", it explains a whole lot. Especially why I hate the protestant Puritans so damn much. Medieval SJW's they were. Damn those asshats straight to hell. At least my kind can still take a joke for the love of Christ! I wish I could say the same for the now godless commies who used to profess that I was a filthy papist...

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I'm just now seeing this. People here in the USA don't care about ethnicity or where a white person is from or who they belong to, same with other races. It all boils down to color. Yeah being mixed makes things difficult if you come from a mixed-race family, but otherwise unless you're first/second generation and your parents are both immigrants from other European countries who are still heavily ingrained in their culture, I don't see how this is going to heavily impact a kid.

I don't care what religion people are so long as they aren't a prick.

And I've no idea what you're on about in the second paragraph, sorry.

NASCAR gone mad.

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Apparently Trump's campaign has sent a cease and desist letter to CNN for reporting a poll which, like several others, including one by Republican-slanted Fox News, showed Biden with a lead. Part of me finds it comical, part of me finds it distressing, distressing because it's a direct attack by our President on the Constitution's guarantee of freedom of speech.

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone - The Seattle Commune

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Cultural Revolution

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Pernicious woman with a Sodoma Gomorrah watch

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Say what y'all will, he's giving a master class in rhetoric and propaganda. I mean, the supposed "masters" who have all the power in a literal sense are failing utterly to stop him despite their confirmable control of all cultural centers. Love or hate him, I'd start taking notes. Again, he's giving a master class for free. If you ain't taking notes, well, you're stupid.

He's undisputably a sophist on the level worthy of the notice of the false pagan gods. If I were opposed to him root and branch I'd be taking notes in the hopes of finding a way to counter his mastery of the art, not trying to spark communist insurrections that are only serving to ensure his re-election in a landslide...

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This is a 10 years old text. Found it on yahoo answers. Here is the link



Is multiculturalism destroying the USA?
Steps to destroy the USA


1.Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.


2. Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.


3. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.


4. I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."


5. Get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'


I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."


6. Include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."


"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."


7. I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."


"Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,'


8. I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympathetic and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

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Say what y'all will, he's giving a master class in rhetoric and propaganda. I mean, the supposed "masters" who have all the power in a literal sense are failing utterly to stop him despite their confirmable control of all cultural centers. Love or hate him, I'd start taking notes. Again, he's giving a master class for free. If you ain't taking notes, well, you're stupid.

He's undisputably a sophist on the level worthy of the notice of the false pagan gods. If I were opposed to him root and branch I'd be taking notes in the hopes of finding a way to counter his mastery of the art, not trying to spark communist insurrections that are only serving to ensure his re-election in a landslide...

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Master in rhetoric and propaganda ? Yea maybe to the blind in the south who are stupid enough to wave confederate flags and promote losing ideologies. Trump is a moron. The only reason he's in power is because the Republicans refuse to impeach him because they want a republican in there for their own power. He's such a master in propaganda. He left a whole paper trail on twitter of everything he ever said. Contrdicting all his previous tweets. The people who vote for him are the one who secretly want a dictator or autocracy.

He was elected on the backs of uneducated Americans

https://www-brookings-edu.cdn.amppro...put-america%2F

These numbers are almost comical

@End are you talking about Trump? If so you've fallen for the populist trap. Trump acts like he's working class but he is not. He is conning you. I mean they are all liars but let's not pretend Trump somehow isn't. If it were the end of the world and the ground splits, your hand barely clinging on, he'd stamp his foot on your hand and then shove you off that cliff full force. He hates the "little people" and he can barely disguise it. The only way to defeat the likes of him and his equivalents on the left, is a united working and poor class, with middle and upper middle class support. Otherwise, count on being screwed over by these people without end. For those who think I sound crazy, remember people all over the world are slaving away for corporations, there is child labor, and we in the west turn some sort of amazing blind eye.

Oh and Trump isn't brilliant. He deploys toddler tactics that everyone can see right through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJu5i4-OUs

And once more around the block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Xpwyd4aMM

This guy is SLI, and I think he makes a lot of sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W71I8h9ajdc

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@End are you talking about Trump? If so you've fallen for the populist trap. Trump acts like he's working class but he is not. He is conning you. I mean they are all liars but let's not pretend Trump somehow isn't. If it were the end of the world and the ground splits, your hand barely clinging on, he'd stamp his foot on your hand and then shove you off that cliff full force. He hates the "little people" and he can barely disguise it. The only way to defeat the likes of him and his equivalents on the left, is a united working and poor class, with middle and upper middle class support. Otherwise, count on being screwed over by these people without end. For those who think I sound crazy, remember people all over the world are slaving away for corporations, there is child labor, and we in the west turn some sort of amazing blind eye.

Oh and Trump isn't brilliant. He deploys toddler tactics that everyone can see right through.

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And while I hate to derail your point a bit I gotta point this rather significant fact out. See, we like to dress it up, use euphemisms, etc. But really, there is only one of two ways Humans can organize themselves in any way that can last long term. A)Ethnically and B)Religiously. Trump is going for B by and large and anyone with half a brain ought to commend him for that one as that's the only way you "trump" A.

I hate it, but I ain't about to incur the consequences of denying reality. Only a common "God" can overcome differences in accent, skin tone, eye color, etc. Without that common factor? Well, here's an equation that history hasn't failed to verify every time it came up without that mitigating factor I just mentioned. Diversity+Proximity=War. War to the knife, the hilt, the extermination/subjugation/enslavement of the other/loser. Again, I hate that fact, but a fact it remains. Deal with it or die a fool.

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Master in rhetoric and propaganda ? Yea maybe to the blind in the south who are stupid enough to wave confederate flags and promote losing ideologies. Trump is a moron. The only reason he's in power is because the Republicans refuse to impeach him because they want a republican in there for their own power. He's such a master in propaganda. He left a whole paper trail on twitter of everything he ever said. Contrdicting all his previous tweets. The people who vote for him are the one who secretly want a dictator or autocracy.

He was elected on the backs of uneducated Americans

https://www-brookings-edu.cdn.amppro...put-america%2F

These numbers are almost comical

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Eh, not really. Have you ever tried to talk to people outside an urban environment? You ever try to join a team in a bowling alley on league night as a total newb asking someone to share some advice to a simple novice unknowing as to how to even throw the ball? Yeah, ya won't have much luck but all the teams will be more than happy to tell ya where ya ought to start for pennies on the dime. You ever try to spark a conversation with successful members of a farmer's market? No, not the one held next to a Starbucks, a real farmer's market. One where you'll find quite a lot of the likes of me and even the foes of me, but they know me, and I know them. Thus, I'd rather pay them a premium rather than get my produce and seed from some faceless corp. like Lowes et. all.

Death Cultists like you are all the same. You are as ignorant of us as we are unable to grasp your alien mindset. I'd label that as a grace of God. I am thankful that I just cannot for the life of me understand in the visceral sense why the Fallen Angels/Demons chose Hell over Heaven...

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https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-consequences-of-jokes-that-denigrate-6385.

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See, this is the kind of thing where it doesn't matter if it's true, or even what the consequences are. How does one move forward based on this information? Tell absolutely everyone to be constantly vigilant for the slightest trace of [thing we condemn].
If it's invisible, how can you know when you've defeated it? You can't. You can't defeat it ever.

Essentially, you'd be demanding every member of every generation, potentially until the end of time, to funnel all their energy into the goal of absolute purity. But we know from the get-go you can never realize an absolute. It's a platonic form. You'll just have everyone chasing an asymptote forever.



Moreover, you've gone beyond the point of knocking down an oppressive structure. You're not knocking things down anymore. You're erecting your own structure, often compelling people to participate, against their will. When you do this, you are no longer channeling the youthful freedom-loving spirit that fought to do things like remove segregation laws and loosen up societal mores in the past.
Now, you're the ones enforcing the new mores.

You're no different than a puritan authority in old new england pushing the goalposts further and further to convict people of witchcraft until you've found a witch to kill. This is what people mean when they say "You're the new conservatives." What you're doing is a fundamentally conservative thing.
You don't care about human liberation at all. If it's a collective goal that relies on the existence of a highly sensitive structure, then it's not liberation. Liberty means liberty from all structures.

That link was pointing out khs's passive aggression to anyone not picking up that he/she is trolling. He/she was not censored. He/she was not reported. The only thing he/she was compelled to participate in is fact-checking before posting. One picture he/she put a caption "Piles of bricks, the building blocks of a new society". Insinuating who knows what, when in reality, the context was of a kid pointing to a heap of cinder blocks which had been suspiciously planted around the city near the protests. The other picture was of crime statistics that are near mathematically impossible. Its tiresome. Its really not hard at all to find pictures of black people tearing shit up right now, how hard is it to at least get it right?

I don't care about your mores. My problem is with the trolling, intellectual laziness, and slander to get a reaction. The only thing I ask is A) get the facts straight, and B) be direct with your opinions, don't be a coward about it hiding behind memes and hypothetical debates while you feel out the room. Some other guy came right out and basically said he sees chinese as shady and africans no better than animals. No issues with him. I have no problems with people saying what they really think. Honesty is refreshing.

So I'm not sure who you're referring to by "you". No need to put words in mouths. If you are interested in what I care about, you can always ask. Unless you are a mind-reader of course. In which case I'm sure you can continue having at it by yourself and let us know what I think, again.

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This is a 10 years old text. Found it on yahoo answers. Here is the link



Is multiculturalism destroying the USA?
Steps to destroy the USA


1.Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.


2. Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.


3. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.


4. I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."


5. Get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'


I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."


6. Include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."


"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."


7. I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."


"Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,'


8. I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympathetic and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

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Merging cultures creates new cultures. I'd say history proves this.

How Republicans do voter suppression:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...07262870798338

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Merging cultures creates new cultures.

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The beginning of a new culture is marked by the replacement of statues related to the old culture.

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The beginning of a new culture is marked by the replacement of statues related to the old culture.

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Yeah, iconoclasm.

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How Republicans do voter suppression:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...07262870798338

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The republicans are done for lmao. The way they responded to the "protests" was pathetic.