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I also wrote out the answers for those who can't be bothered to watch the videos.
The Questionnaire from TheHotelAmbush v0.1
Describe yourself.
This question is so vague and could be answered in so many different ways and contexts. If you want to know what I’m like, read the responses to the other questions below. I would give a more extensive answer except this questionnaire is so long as it is.
What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?
I am a librarian. I chose the career because I am interested in helping other people locate books and various types of information. I like helping others find information, providing technology assistance, and hooking them up with community resources. I feel like I am providing a noble and useful service for people and I get to put my knowledge and expertise to use. I am always learning new things! What I dislike is dealing with rude customers, having too many demands from too many people at once, and the fact that it is very difficult to land a full-time job with benefits in this profession because jobs are insanely competitive. I am piecing together multiple part-time jobs to make it work.
What are your values, and why?
Fairness and equality for all. I believe all humans are inherently equal in their worth. We all deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. The exception is if you hurt someone then, you cannot expect someone to respect you. I believe people are basically good. Sometimes people do bad things- mainly as a result of upbringing, environment, etc. And sometimes people just make mistakes.
I value knowledge, self-improvement, thinking for oneself, being true to yourself, living and authentic and fulfilling life and doing things that improve society.
What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?
Besides work, shower, sleep, eat, etc. I listen to music, read, surf the Internet for topics of Interest, check Facebook and my social media accounts, check the 16types and other forums. I also frequently play video games, work on improving my Spanish, take walks outside when the weather is nice, play with my 2 year old nephew.
My biggest interest and hobby is personality typology, particularly socionics. I love mastering a logical system and also understanding myself and others better. Other
hobbies are games of all types- board games, card games, video games, computer games. I belong to a couple of different gaming groups. It gets me out of the house and socializing. I find socializing easier when its more structured, built around some purpose. I’m not always the best at just spontaneous conversation, but the game itself provides the spark for good conversation. Normally, we don’t take the game overly seriously, its more about socializing and laughing and joking.
I also like solitary games like Bejeweled or the Legend of Zelda. I like the mental stimulation, being immersed into a world, collecting goodies and upgrades, or just trying to better my score from last time.
I also like learning Spanish. I feel its also a useful skill to have. Eventually I would like to travel to Mexico or Spain and I would be more comfortable if I knew the language. Many of the customers I serve are Spanish-speaking and I could serve them better if I was more proficient in the language. I consider my proficiency at a high-intermediate level. I can understand and hold simple conversations and read simple books and articles. But I feel nowhere near fluent. I would like to get to the point where conversation becomes automatic, where I don’t have to consciously translate everything in my head. Where I can listen to some radio broadcast and understand everything even when speaking fast.
Describe your relations with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?
Family- generally relationships are good and close. There is room for improvement though. With my mother, I know that she will love me unconditionally and that she will always be there for me in times of trouble. She is good at providing emotional support. However she is a bit overprotective even though I’m a grown adult and sometimes I think she talks too much when I just want quiet and time to reflect. However when I’m in the mood to talk she is good at providing the conversation. She also has a good sense of humor. I am not as emotionally close to my father. He is quite reserved with his feelings and sometimes I feel like he’s emotionally unavailable. If I have some emotional distress, he is not so good at supporting me. If its more lighthearted and every-day routine topics we get along well and enjoy each others company. He is fun to play cards with and he has a good sense of humor. I have one younger sister. We are close and we usually get along but lately we haven’t interacted as much. She is very busy with her job and her two year old son. She is kind, sweet, smart, funny, but sometimes she can be a bit bossy as she has a strong sense of right/wrong about some things.
There are some things I’m not comfortable sharing with my family though. Like my interest and love of personality typology. They don’t get it. They thinks its hogwash. People can’t really be placed in categories, it’s so much more complex than that. No scientific evidence. I understand where they are coming from but it’s still hurtful when they make remarks hinting that I should stop reading that crap. So I learned not to discuss it anymore. They don’t even know I still pursue that interest.
Friends- Honestly I don’t have any close friends. I have a lot of acquaintances and more casual friendships. What I like about my friends is their kindness, their intellectual curiosity, open mindedness, sense of humor. I’m not sure what I dislike.
What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
With friends: Shared interests, kindness, good listener, empathy, trustworthy, intelligence, uniqueness, sense of humor, open mindedness.
Same for romantic relationships although even more important to get it right. Because if I’m in a relationship I want it to last a long time and feel like we have long-term compatibility.
What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?
There have been occasional conflicts with people in an online group when they say something I perceive as a bit too rude and harsh. I call them out on it, remind them they should be more tactful. The other person then gets upset at me because s/he thinks I’m being overly controlling of how they behave and what they say. The other person thinks s/he can say what they want regardless of how others might feel. I am fine with differences of opinion, just try to be more tactful about it.
I can’t think of any conflicts that happen on a regular basis. I hate conflict and find it very unpleasant so if I run into a conflict with someone I will try hard to understand it so it doesn’t happen again with that person. If that’s not possible, I just try avoiding that person.
So I don’t think I have regular conflicts with any particular individuals but I the types of conflicts I have are what I stated above. Also conflicts regarding idealogies or how people should be treated.
What traits do you find endearing that others might dislike? What traits are considered positive/neutral by others but tend to annoy you?
What I find endearing is when people are open and honest about their insecurities and weaknesses. It makes them more human, more authentic, and more relateable. I far prefer that to someone who is overly arrogant. I know some people dislike that though. They believe that showing weaknesses invites others to exploit you and take advantage of you.
Traits that annoy me that others might find positive or neutral:
*Brutal honesty where you just care about speaking the truth and not if you are offending someone. Think Donald Trump.
*People who are very materialistic and just want to live in the present and don’t think much about the future or the consequences of their actions.
*Rebel without a cause, bad boy/bad girl types. I think most laws are there for a good reason but occasionally authority should be challenged. What I dislike is people that don’t have any respect for laws whatsoever and just want to stir up trouble and cause a ruckus.
How would your friends describe you?
Intelligent, thoughtful, kind, considerate, fair, honest but tactful, funny (sometimes), dependable.
What do people generally see as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
Strengths: Intelligent, honest (without being rude or tactless), fair, kind, considerate, reliable, hardworking, introspective, good ideas and insight, good sense of humor (sometimes).
What do I like about myself: All of the above strengths.
What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?
Weakness: I care way too much what other people think of me. I am not the best at taking criticism. I am thin skinned and my feelings are hurt easily. I am prone to anxiety and way too hard on myself. I compare myself to others too much and easily get envious of other peoples’ successes.
Criticisms I get from others: Overly sensitive and thin-skinned, too introverted, too passive, too self-absorbed and in my own world, unaware of what’s going on around me at times, worries too much, insecure and lacking confidence.
Dislike about myself: All of the above.
In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?
I’m quite independent and self-sufficient. I manage almost all aspects on my own effectively. I suppose I would like help dealing with difficult personalities more effectively- particularly those I find rude or intimidating. Sometimes I could use help in feeling more confident or better about myself. Sometimes I get down on myself when I see others that seem more talented or accomplished than I am. I want people to assure me that I’m a talented person with a lot to offer of value to others.
What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?
The normal things most people find to be unpleasant chores. Cleaning, housework, paying bills, etc. Also filling out forms, doing taxes, applying for health insurance. My plan got cancelled for next year and I had to switch over.
Things I enjoy: thinking and pondering things, learning, listening to music, playing games, surfing the Intenet.
What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?
Travel more- I am curious to see more of the world and experience different cultures. It would be easier if I had more money.
Become fluent in Spanish. I like learning languages and also want to be more proficient at it for my job and because I plan to travel to Spanish speaking countries in the future.
I would also like to learn Russian. For Socionics reasons, because so much stuff is still just in Russian and the translation to English is sometimes poor. I would like to be able to converse with Russian speaking socionicists.
Become more proficient in my career as a librarian. Continue to acquire additional knowledge and skills Hopefully land a full-time job as a librarian. Jobs are insanely competitive in that field though. I should probably be happy with what I have. Many get a degree and can’t any job in that field.
Eventually hope to find a soul mate in life- where I can have a fulfilling relationship and still feel like I can be true to myself and not pressured to change.
Read more of the great works of literature, view the great works of art and listen to the classical music that stood the test of time. Why? Because I’m curious. To understand why it stood the test of time. To see it lives up to the hype. I want to experience the great art and beauty the world has to offer.
If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?
Travel the world, spend time on my hobbies and interests.
What did you do last Friday?
Last Friday I went to work, then stayed home and surfed the Internet, then I slept. I probably checked the16types.com and Facebook. I know, boring.
The Friday before that, I worked then went and played Pinochle with the gaming group. It was my first time playing the game. I enjoyed learning and mastering the game but I did not like the partner I was stuck with. She didn’t seem very patient with me. Because I was new, I made some bad moves and then she criticized me every time. Her tone of voice sounded very bossy and yelling at me. She made me really uncomfortable. Which was too bad because normally I have fun playing cards but she ruined it for me.
What is your biggest accomplishment?
Not sure. I don’t feel all that accomplished in the general sense. I feel like my biggest accomplishment in life is yet to come. I suppose earning my Masters degree in Library Science or being in the process of mastering Spanish.
What is something you regret?
I majored in biochemistry only to realize later that it wasn’t a suitable major. I hated lab work, it found it tedious and I was clumsy with lab equipment. I then switched my focus to teaching but that wasn’t exactly where my heart was either. It was more tolerable than lab work but having to deal with classroom control issues and constantly developing lesson plans and grading assignments burned me out. So I went back to school and got my Masters degree in Library Science and then got a job as a Librarian. I find that line of work much more fulfilling.
I also sometimes regret when I said something I shouldn’t have, hurt someone unintentionally, or overreacted to some perceived slight.
Who do you admire, and why?
Albert Einstein- his intellect and his imagination. Made a huge impact on how we perceive the laws of physics.
Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Gandhi - people who stood up for their beliefs, stayed true to them without having to resort to violence or crude measures, and impacted the world for the better
In everyday life I admire people who can be true to themselves, who aren’t afraid to be different and don’t care so much what other people think. People who are thick-skinned and resilient.
What's been on your mind? Has anything been worrying or concerning you? What problems have you encountered lately?
Basically what’s on my mind is what I’ve answered in these questions. I suppose I’d add that I worry a lot about the future, about my mortality, about aging and growing old. I find it depressing because even if life isn’t perfect there are a lot of things I enjoy about life and I want to keep it that way. I don’t want to lose my health, my stamina, my memory, my quick thinking, my looks, etc. I worry that I’m going to be close to my death and realized that I didn’t get to do or accomplish all the things I wanted to do. I find that depressing. Life is way too short.
Problem I’ve encountered lately. Well this happened last spring so it isn’t the most recent but it still haunts me. One of my part-time jobs is working as an on-call librarian for a public library system. I float between different library branches as needed. One of the branches I substituted at frequently and got to know the staff and the location quite well. The problem was the customers. The library is in a rather sketchy, poor part of town. Many of the patrons have economic, health, or mental issues. They carry a lot of emotional baggage and they take it out on the staff frequently. So there are a lot of problem customers and potential security issues. A few times when customers were rude to me, I yelled back at them. I know my mistake and I greatly regret it. But I was told by the manager that I would no longer be able to sub at that library branch. I was very upset because I never thought I was given any fair warning that this would happen. In fact I’ve seen coworkers occasionally yell back at customers and as far as I know they are still here. I think its because I’m a substitute I’m just ‘disposable’ to them.
If they just explicitly told me “this is your final warning” or if you keep doing that you won’t be allowed to work here anymore and then if I still did it, then it would have been a more ‘fair’ decision. I felt hurt that they refused to give me one last chance, refused to work out any sort of deal and compromise, just deemed me as incompetent and not fit to work there. I’ve tried to fight their decision with no success. I’m upset that no one will vouch for me, no one sees it my way. I know I have potential for improvement and I was willing to work hard on my weaknesses but no one wants to give me a chance. Just boot me out. Well at least it was just that one library branch I was barred working at and not the entire library system. It could have worse. So even though this happened last spring, I still hold a grudge and cannot completely let go. Another weakness of mine I suppose.
What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?
Agnostic but open to various kinds of spiritual beliefs. I am agnostic because there is no scientific proof of some higher being or any inherent meaning or purpose to life other than what we mortals make of it. I would like to believe though, to think there is some higher purpose and meaning. But I have serious doubts, like if there is a God, why is there so much evil and injustice in the world?
What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics?
Politically I tend towards liberal. On social issues, I believe in equal rights regardless of sexual orientation, gays should be allowed to marry. Abortion- mostly pro choice although if not rape, incest, or harmful to the mother’s health, the mother should try to keep the child or put up for adoption if possible. Still I believe there should be a choice. Anti-death penalty- the person committing the crime might genuinely be sorry and have potential to improve oneself and how can one prove guilt without any doubt whatsoever? Once you execute someone you can’t bring the person back. Euthanasia should be a person’s right, although a last resort. People have the right to own a gun but some screening should take place to avoid them getting in the wrong hands.
Economically, I’m more center. Try to reduce wasteful spending and cut back the deficit. Some rights to private property and economic freedom but have some measures in place so businesses don’t get overly greedy. Also, so that there are programs in place to help the poor and disadvantaged.
I used to not care that much about politics. I guess I didn’t see how it directly affected me. But in the past few years, I’ve started to care more. In this election, I cared a lot. I know some people are going to disagree with this and I don’t want to offend anyone, but I am very anti-Trump. My biggest problem with him is his attitude and personality. He seems very crude and bullying to me. Dishonest, greedy, self-centered. It’s not the kind of person I want running the country.
Would you ever be interested in starting a business? Why or why not? What role would you play in it? What kind of business would it be?
Not particularly. Sounds like too much work, planning, and logistics to worry about. Also read that around 90% of new businesses fail. That’s not very encouraging. I am reluctant to get involved in something with that high likelihood of failure.
I am not sure what role I would play. I started the business so I suppose I’d be the person in charge. I’d delegate the unpleasant tasks to others if I could. Also I am bad at promoting so that would probably be delegated to someone else.
What kind of business? Something consulting related maybe? Something having to do with personality typology would be interesting.
What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?
I don’t do a whole lot with my environment. My top priority is to keep it clean and sanitary. I don’t want to live in a pigsty. I like it neat and organized enough so I don’t have to waste time looking for things. Occasionally I find something pretty to hang on a wall or a cute knick-knack but its not my top priority overall.
Daily chores I find unpleasant and boring which I’m sure most people would agree with. I still do them anyway because I want to live in a clean apartment not a pigsty. Also I have to do things like pay bills to avoid financial trouble.
What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?
One where I can focus on an intellectually stimulating task with minimal interruption. A quiet, calm environment. Paradoxically, I like the kinds of work where I can do something useful for people but yet I don’t seem to want or need much actual people contact. A job that would minimize interaction with difficult personalities. Minimal to no conflict. Financial security. Benefits like medical insurance and sick leave. Something where I feel competent where I am appreciated. Where I have opportunities for growth and improvement and to learn new things. A physically comfortable work environment. No military basic training or inclement weather conditions that I would have to be exposed to. Where I have clear expectations so that there are no unpleasant surprises later. But yet, I have a great deal of freedom to do it the way I want without someone breathing down my neck. I don’t work well when I know I’m being ‘watched.’
I find that the work conditions are far more important in my job satisfaction than the actual job itself.
What is or was your favorite school subject and why?
Math and science. I was naturally good at these subjects and I like learning and mastering logical systems. Science explains why the world works. Also liked the non-ambiguity of those subjects unlike something like art or creative writing where you had to just ‘guess’ what the teacher wanted. How is it ‘creative’ if the teacher still grades it as if there are ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ ways?
How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?
I take responsibility very seriously and I expect others to also do that. I am the type of person that is very reliable and will keep my word. If for some reason I find that I cannot deliver my promise due to some unforeseen purpose I will let that person know so I don’t let them down later. I am well aware of the consequences that my actions may have on other people and I don’t deliberately do anything that could cause potential harm to others. I own up to my mistakes.
Where did you go on your most recent vacation? What did you do there? How did you like it and why?
My parents and I took a 2 week vacation this last summer to California. It was a road trip- we started from Minnesota. We saw and did many wonderful things. Highlights included: Black Hills, Badlands, Bryce Canyon, Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, San Diego (the zoo was the major highlight), Los Angeles, Disneyland. I loved my trip even if it was with my parents. It was nice to not have to work for 2 weeks, to do things outside of my normal routine. I saw lots of beautiful scenery.
What were you like as a kid? How have you changed since you were a child?
My parents and teachers often told me I was stubborn. I’m not sure how much I agree. I think I was a lot more stubborn when younger but more flexible and considerate now. I was very socially awkward as a child. I strongly suspect I had mild Asperger syndrome. I was very smart and really good at things involving math and logic. I enjoyed games, puzzles, and brainteasers. I was honest and fair to a fault.
In many ways I haven’t changed much. I have the same personality type. I suppose nowdays I’m a bit less stubborn and less socially awkward. I’ve learned to be more flexible in dealing with situations and people. I’ve become far more tactful and considerate of others and their feelings.
What was your high school experience like?
LOL! Pretty pathetic. I was the typical nerd archetype. I wasn’t good looking, wasn’t popular, wasn’t athletic, musical, or artistic. Academics, however, was one thing I was really good at. So I worked very hard in my classes, graduated with a 3.75 GPA. I wasn’t at the very top but I was in the top ten percent, so I felt good about that. Plus I took several academically challenging courses like Advanced Placement.
All of my extracurricular activities were academic related. I didn’t do any sports, music, or theatre stuff because I believed that I lacked the skill and felt inadequate. I did things like quiz bowl, math team, and Spanish club.
I didn’t really have any close or long lasting friendships. Occasionally I might have had a more short lived friendship. I was mostly a loner. I would sometimes sit with the ‘nerdy’ people at lunch but I never really did anything with them outside of school.
I never dated, didn’t go to any dances, didn’t party, etc. But I didn’t really care much about that anyway.
I had zero fashion sense, I just wore what my parents brought me. I didn’t care about fashion much either.
Talk about a significant event from your life.
Well there are many. I suppose my nephew being born. I don’t have any children of my own so he is the closest thing I have to a child. I love playing with him and watching him grow and develop. He is 2 now.
Do you like kids? Why or why not?
I have a two year old nephew that I love dearly. I love watching him grow and develop and playing with them. I like other peoples’ kids too. Just observing them, watching them play, their innocence and sense of wonder at the world. Wondering what they will become in the future.
I don’t like physically taking care of kids though. I could live without calming down a crying baby at 3:00 am or changing dirty diapers. I don’t want kids of my own as I would likely see that as an unwanted burden on my time and energy. I can understand why people don’t want kids or dislike taking care of them.
However, I get angry when people say they hate kids, as if they hate them as people. If someone said they hated the elderly, likely we would think they are being discriminatory. But for some reason it’s more socially acceptable to openly express your hatred towards children or teenagers. I don’t quite get it. I may not always like the way they behave but I certainly don’t hate them as people.
If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
Answering purely from the hypothetical here. I would encourage my child to pursue their interests and be true to themselves. (as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else of course). I would encourage my child to explore and try new things, to not get discouraged after failure. I would provide a lot of emotional support, make sure the child had adequate self-esteem, and encourage them to become independent and self-sufficient. There would be some rules I’d expect them to follow but I would be careful not to go overboard and become overprotective.
Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
Sometimes. I think the causes are feeling unfilled and that something is missing in my life. Perhaps, I’ve been doing the same routine things for too long and need a change. Or the things I do are no longer fulfilling and providing me with the satisfaction I want. Reaction- at first I just reflect on why I feel that way and wait to see if the feeling passes. Oftentimes it’s a short-lived state. If the feeling persists, then I work towards making some changes. Find a new job, try a new hobby, do something non routine for a change.
How do you see other people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
I think people have inherently equal worth and value. People are basically good. Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and kindness unless they harm or hurt others and don’t care. But that said, there are some people I personally like more than others, that I prefer to spend time with that I feel more compatible with.
A prevalent social problem is intolerance. Like racism, sexism, bigotry, hatred towards homosexuals, people or certain religions or cultures. It fuels things like war and terrorism.
How do you behave around strangers?
Depends on the strangers and how receptive they are towards me, what kind of demeanor they exhibit. If the stranger seems less approachable I may feel a bit anxious or awkward. With other strangers, I can open up relatively quickly, laugh and joke with them. Talk as if they were a good friend.
How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?
Poorly. I find conflict very unpleasant but I know sometimes its inevitable. People will never agree on everything. People have different personalities, different values, etc. With people I conflict with, I either tend to avoid them entirely (my preferred approach) or I come on too strong with them, too insistent they do things a certain way (which rarely works), or I just give into them against my wishes, hoping to make it end (might work in the moment but might not prevent future conflicts). I wish I could feel more at ease in conflict situations. Sometimes having to deal with difficult people, I literally feel the discomfort in my body. My body tenses up, my heart starts to race, my thinking is not as effective.
If someone insults me, I will likely get very upset and express that anger. I may even insult them back. I won’t put up with being insulted. My feelings get hurt easily. I wish I had thicker skin. It would make my life easier and happier. If someone attacks me as in a physical attack I would either try to just run away as fast as I could, or attack them back out of self-defense. I would be scared shitless probably. Luckily that hardly ever happens.
What do you do if you're not getting what you want? What approach do you use?
Depends on the context. I would analyze why I’m not getting the results I want. Maybe I need to change my approach? Maybe I just need to try harder and practice more? I can ask others for advice? I assess how badly I want it and if the time and effort will be worth the result I want to achieve in the end. If there is too much effort in order to succeed or if the likelihood of failure is too high, I might just give up on it.
Are you comfortable taking leadership roles? In what areas? Why or why not?
It depends on the kind of leadership. I am not comfortable nor am I good at the commanding style of leadership where you boss others around and insist they do things. Or when you have to make decisions that will upset many people and then have to deal with all of the emotional backlash. I hate feeling pressured myself and forced to do things I may not want to do. Out of the same consideration, I avoid doing that to others.
I am comfortable with the more democratic style of leadership and where you guide or mentor others rather than the more ‘militant’ style. I like helping others with my knowledge and expertise and seeing others grow and develop (just as long as they don’t outperform me or I’d probably feel envious).
Right now I am a co-organizer for a local Socionics group that meets once a month. So I guess you could call that being a leader. We present Socionics materials and lead discussions. Its a lot of fun.
How often do you get angry? What kinds of things make you angry?
In all honesty, I get angry quite often. But I usually hide it well. People generally see me as an easygoing, pleasant person. However, if I let my internal anger bottle up too much, I will likely explode eventually and then I will regret how I reacted.
What makes me angry are insults, rudeness either to myself or others, being treated unfairly, being told I’m incompetent, working really hard at something and failing to achieve the success I wanted, Trump being elected president.
What is the best thing that happened to you during the past week?
I co-hosted a socionics meetup. I always look forward to those. I get to help teach others on one of my favorite topics, I get to socialize with others who share my interest. The discussion is always interesting.
What is the worst thing that happened to you during the past week?
Trump got elected president. Well it didn’t exactly happen to just me, but to the whole nation. But it is definitely going to impact my life and the whole United States. I was upset by it, not so much because he is a Republican and has mostly different views. But rather because of his crudeness, his overly blunt and bullying style. It’s like he won due to his bullying, lying, and insistence he should win and that rules don’t apply to him. All this rather than being truly experienced or competent for the job. It felt very unfair to me, even though I know that technically he won fair and square (got the most electoral votes).
What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?
I’m not sure what the purpose is or even if there is an inherent purpose. I suppose we have to make our own meaning in life. Maybe the meaning in life is to figure out what the meaning is? Ha ha! Personally, I find meaningful enjoying the beauty of the world around me, fulfilling relationships, getting totally absorbed in hobbies and subjects of interest and completely losing track of time, learning new knowledge and working towards self-improvement, doing things that better society.
What is the most interesting place you have been, and why?
Well there are many interesting places. I can’t think of just one most interesting place but recently last summer I visited Bryce Canyon in Utah. The views were just majestic and awe inspiring. I hadn’t seen anything else quite like it. I almost cried over how beautiful it was.
How do you dress or manage your appearance?
Dress rather simply, mostly for comfort and function, although I still want to wear clothes I find visually appealing. Accessories- some jewelry, nothing too elaborate. I hardly ever wear make-up. Appearance is more about having good hygiene and looking presentable than it is about looking gorgeous or stylish.
Do you like surprises?
If the surprises have a pleasant outcome, yes. If the outcome is unpleasant, then no. A lot of people are answering that, so this question is not very insightful. I like the occasional surprise to prevent life from being too boring but overall, I tend towards more predictability and routine.
What is one common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong
I know for myself, I have erred in believing that there is an inherent fairness to life. I have been let down multiple times because of this belief. Much of what happens in life is just random chance. I mean you can influence things to some degree but you don’t have complete control. Also, there are factors beyond ones control like genetics and environmental factors. It’s not like there’s some ‘force’ that tracks down the number of points for everybody making sure its all equal. I suppose other people have this misconception too.
Is there anything else important about you that we should know?
There isn’t much else to say. I’ve addressed all of the important points in the questions above. I suppose if I could add one more thing it would be that one of my biggest struggle is to feel like you can truly be yourself in the presence of other people. Maybe that’s why I haven’t had many intimate relationships. I fear getting too close, fear of losing myself, that I will be pressured into being someone I’m not and then having to decide between being myself or the relationship. I guess I would prefer to be myself so I don’t get too involved in close relationships? Also I greatly fear rejection and not be accepted for who I truly am so maybe I pull out too soon or don’t give others a chance to get intimate with me to avoid hurt later.
That didn't work. In fact, I ended up with a 'privacy error' when I tried to click on the links. So I changed it back to the way I originally had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
Here's what I did:
Clicked on the "Insert Video" button.
Then entered the videoclip URL.
Then inserted www. right after the https:// part
For example: https://youtu.be/_pzd93wd3eU becomes https://www.youtu.be/_pzd93wd3eU
Use the full link, not the shortened one. Then there shouldn't be a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Thanks, it works now.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
I'll leave deeper analysis for hotel but I after reading the written answers I very strongly think that you are IEE.
The liberal left and their hatred towards racism and inequality is very stereotypically Delta, IEE in particular. Ti polr might sound strange given who you like to organize things, but that could be related more to Si which you clearly value. People acting rudely towards you seems to be what hits your Polr and that is exactly what Ti egos are the most guility of, as they are more concerned about correcting something illogical then acting in way that promotes positive relationships with others. Se on the hand is something constantly beat yourself up about, but you are so aware of it that you've practically made it into a joke meme, which sounds textbook to the role function.
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Originally Posted by Muddytextures
Interesting. I thought the themes of fairness, consistency throughout my questionnaire were more related to base Ti. Why would Ti egos be more rude? It seems to me the more rude people are the Se egos but I also think that I probably have Se PoLR. I can see your point about Ti egos wanting to correct illogical things. Ti egos also have weak but valued Fe, they want an emotionally positive environment but aren't so good at providing it. Yes, I beat myself up alot about Se. But Se seems like it would fit better as a painful function for me than as a role function. I identify far more with Fi as a role. Although I could potentially see Se as ignoring for myself. SEI is another type I periodically have considered for myself. I do think LII is far more likely though.
The reason people avoid being rude in the first place is for better quality relationships (Fi). Having Ti in the means in Ego means having Fi in the superego and therefore Fi is both repressed and not cared about.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
I see you being more conflict prone with SLEs and LSIs then I do with SEEs and ESIs. Gamma SFs, while they can be invasive, try to act diplomatically and recognize your value as human being. Beta STs, and the other hand, won't give two shits whether or not you see them as offensive or rude, and may even take pride in their own straightforwardness (think Donald Trump).
Your general expressiveness in the videos makes sense for IEE then LII. You energetic matter of speaking seems extroverted. (It wouldn't be surprising at all either for an Ne base type to be a social introvert)
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Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I understand your reasoning, but I just cannot see Ti PoLR for myself. I love putting things into logical systems, striving for consistency, and fair rules for all too much. I have seriously considered EII as a possibility though. That type is the mirror of IEE. And I am aware that I am more emotionally expressive than many LII types would be. Maybe there is some other factor here?
The people that bother the most tend to be SLEs. That would be consistent with EII as a typing. Moreso than SEE probably, also a really Se heavy SEE would probably by unpleasant. Subtype makes a difference.
Again, the appreciation for order and consistency you describe could be related more to Delta Si then Ti. When I did my taxes last last all the people who worked there seemed like delta types. Deltas like their environment to be calm and organized.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
I have an easier time seeing you as Ne base rather then Fi base. You just don't seem as relationship orientated as someone like @Maritsa.
You strive to conserve your energy from unnecessary expenditure you are Sensing on the introvertedQuote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
You are also Te because of how economical you are which makes you SLI
Examples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Again, examples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
You will probably think I'm SLI regardless of what I say. ;)
@thehotelambush Do you still think LII based on this new questionnaire or do you think some other type is more suitable?
Upon rereading my own answers and watching my own video, I could see hints of SEI in some spots. I think LII might be more likely overall but just want your thoughts on it.
Sorry, I'm not going to look at it right now, maybe later.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Are you perchance an E9?
I feel like a mix of 9, 5, and 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
Probably a 9 with a strong 1 wing and a 5 fix. :D
I still think you're LII, and think maybe the 9 is lending more of an ethical flavor to the things you say. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
That is quite possible. I thought the ethical flavor was more of a subtype thing but I can also see it as an enneagram thing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
LII, yup.
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Originally Posted by Myst
You're so predictable. XD
You too. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
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Originally Posted by Myst
Well we are Ti leads and balanced-stable temperament. Consistency is in our blood.
Yeah I agree OP you seem Delta IEE to me. Or IEE. You have a lot of information to say like to the "Describe yourself" question I get the feeling a lot of LIIs could just answer it in a sentence or two; you made a bunch of videos for the questions because you want to be as thorough as possible. Also I think you come across as pretty warm, helpful and diplomatic primarily whereas though LIIs can of course have those traits, those are not gonna be their primary traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
You seem like someone I'd want to eat lunch with.
Fi role does care about being not rude when the role function is being paid attention to. Fi PoLR can care also (through Fe HA? This is my observations anyway.) Mistakes may be made, at least it would be less refined Fi from the pov of Fi egos. This does not mean Ti ego must always be this crazy offensive rude person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I'm actually decently okay with @chips and underwear, I have not conflicted with her more than with any other LIIs. It sometimes happens with them (Ne/Se), sure. Much better than with EII-Ne's, though. The Ne of EII is far worse from my pov. Same thing with IEE.Quote:
I see you being more conflict prone with SLEs and LSIs then I do with SEEs and ESIs. Gamma SFs, while they can be invasive, try to act diplomatically and recognize your value as human being. Beta STs, and the other hand, won't give two shits whether or not you see them as offensive or rude, and may even take pride in their own straightforwardness (think Donald Trump).
By the way, I would not like to be mentioned together with Trump. :rolleyes: I find your stereotypes of beta STs incredibly black and white, again. Look at @Ananke for an example of an SLE, is she anything like Trump? Really?
All in all, Fi in superego is a tiny little bit more complex than "rude person".
Happen to agree on this one. ;)Quote:
(It wouldn't be surprising at all either for an Ne base type to be a social introvert)
Are you coming from MBTI? Socionics Si is defined in a different way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
Of course, not Fi ego. :lol:Quote:
I have an easier time seeing you as Ne base rather then Fi base. You just don't seem as relationship orientated as someone like @Maritsa.
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Originally Posted by Myst
I would argue that you are LSE but I don't want to derail the thread so I'll save that later.
Fi is all about knowing how you come across to an individual at any given moment (Static element), while Fe is about tracking the broader emotional flow (Dynamic element). ILEs and SLEs will often compensate their lack of attention to individuals by trying to please the crowd instead. To Fi valuers they look like deers staring into the headlights of an oncoming car when they run into conflicts with people. LIIs and LSIs will have somewhat better Fi, but it still is not valued, and therefore come off as insincere and artificial in their attempts to be "Nice", like they are just doing it because someone told them to. Chips, on the other hand, comes off as genuinely sincere. Not only that but chips openly expresses her contempt with those who are rude and inconsiderate.
At first I thought Trump was SEE but I looked into WSS's reasoning for typing him SLE and I would agree with them. You can look it up yourself if you so please.
Lol how does this come up now?? Sure if you want to argue for it, feel free to do so in PM or something. I'm anything but Te lead or Fi seeking though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I've seen socially introverted xLEs who do not please the crowd like that - low soc instinct may also be part of that. And other factors outside typology, due to other psychological mechanisms, circumstances, etc.Quote:
Fi is all about knowing how you come across to an individual at any given moment (Static element), while Fe is about tracking the broader emotional flow (Dynamic element). ILEs and SLEs will often compensate their lack of attention to individuals by trying to please the crowd instead. To Fi valuers they look like deers staring into the headlights of an oncoming car when they run into conflicts with people. LIIs and LSIs will have somewhat better Fi, but it still is not valued, and therefore come off as insincere and artificial in their attempts to be "Nice", like they are just doing it because someone told them to. Chips, on the other hand, comes off as genuinely sincere. Not only that but chips openly expresses her contempt with those who are rude and inconsiderate.
At first I thought Trump was SEE but I looked into WSS's reasoning for typing him SLE and I would agree with them. You can look it up yourself if you so please.
Also, I've been told I come off as artificial in some Fi things but it can still be with a genuinely sincere intention, just with me not feeling it "well" (not like Fi egos do it) and not knowing how to express it in a more natural way either. I see the same for @chips and underwear, she is not coming from the same place like Fi egos do. There is some Ethics there but it is not as "refined".
Very important is also that none of this means actual rudeness. Artificiality in expression is not rudeness, it isn't an inconsiderate thing.
And, anyone can judge rude behaviour in certain situations. This isn't the sole domain of Fi valuing quadras. Fe can do it too, just from the objective Ethics pov. So that's again a very black and white view of actual people, sorry. What here matters is how the person came to the conclusion, via what kind of information processing because there is often more than one way to get to a conclusion.
By the way if you really think Ti egos can never be genuinely sincere then I have nothing more to say........ that's just a really weird idea. Having Ti in ego doesn't mean the person has to be a complete robot. Not that I'm offended or anything, lol, I just think this perception is really off. Maybe I find it extra weird due to your Fi PoLR and low Se, I don't know.
Note one more thing about Fi vs Ti with regard to @chips and underwear. I'm quite sensitive to the inconsistency of Ti of delta NFs (lack of Se makes it worse) and chips does not show anything like that, her Ti is naturally and consistently formed.
As for Trump... I didn't try to decide on his type, he can be SLE or not SLE. I didn't go deeper in it than that since not enough data / there is no point in doing so. But ok say, Trump is SLE, it does not mean he shares many traits with all other SLEs. Information processing is not about concrete traits, again.
This story very much sounds like a conflict with TiSe. Your emotionality (Strong Fe) caused you to break the rules (weak Ti) and the lack of sympathy and unwillingness of others to "see it your way" (NeFi) caused you to get upset. The fact that you yelled back at those people instead of just painfully coping with their rudeness also indicates you at least have 2D Se.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
You have er, interesting notions of what TiSe must be. It could be TiSe, it could be something else, this story is absolutely not unambiguous enough for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I think the part on no one else seeing it her way is Ne in general.
@chips and underwear - was the explicit reason for you being sent away your behaviour? You didn't state this so I wonder.
Btw here's a few "Fi" answers from @Hacim's questionnaire:
"Some people say that I am very nice/kind/considerate - I don't know how exactly I demonstrate this (it is strange to me) but I go with it. I don't know much about what others think of me but I hope I am viewed as a fair person."
"If people were not so selfish, inconsiderate, and closed-minded, society would be better I guess. Perhaps children should be given the proper attention and education to achieve a higher moral standard. I find that oftentimes busy parents don't give their kids the attention they need to develop. Unfortunate."
Hacim is as LII as it gets.
E9, logical, very Ne/Si, could be either SLI or LII (you seem more the former in these videos imo).
Any chance the SLI option comes up because of some conflation with E9?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Could be. SLI's and LII's can seem similar on first sight and women of both types are quite rare. Chips seems irrational to me - kinda grounded, solid voice and reminds me more of a SLI woman I know than any LII's I've encountered. She seems Si > Ti (Hacim is different, obvious Ti dom, much more "wired" and alert). I could easily see her as my conflictor (that's not meant as an offence in any way, just as in a totally opposite person of me :)). BUT, she could be a strange E9 LII (haven't met anyone of that combination yet).Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I actually know two girls who are like this - E9ish and have a soft kinda grounded-ish quality about them. They both were with 4D Fe types (husband / boyfriend) with pretty intense breakups eventually. I type both of them LII because they do have better Ne than me (definitely a lot more focus on it) and the things they talk of are far less grounded than I expect from SLIs. I considered SLI for both of them for a short time, too but again, the strong seeming Ne, along with the very weak Se and the sensible Ti (never annoying to me like Ti demonstrative can be sometimes) are strong arguments for LII. The exact same for @chips and underwear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
You said IEE twice. What was the other type you were considering?Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
I'm typically not as concise as the stereotypical LII when answering questionnaires. I could be but then I feel like I would be omitting information that could potentially be useful. I don't feel as 'dry' or and 'unemotional' as other LIIs sometimes come across. I can relate to the Ne and Fi of the IEE but not the Ti PoLR part.
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Originally Posted by goldenbane
I find that I can be rude if I perceive other people being rude to me or towards others. Maybe that's rather hypocritical in a way. My goal is to have harmony in relationships between others in the end where rudeness between others would not exist. But I don't think I'm ever initially rude or rude without a good cause. It's more a reactionary defensive tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Why is it worse? Is it just an opposing quadra thing or is there more to it than that?Quote:
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I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to offend you. You're right, there are many psychologically healthy SLEs that are nothing like Trump. I don't know Ananke well enough to assess his/her type. Doesn't seem anything like Trump though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Why can't someone just be nice because it feels good to be nice? Types with strong Fi are not the only ones capable of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I can see your reasoning here. However, I could also argue that this is a consequence of strong Ti. I wanted a clear rule structure to have originally been in place so avoid this unpleasant surprise. A clear warning system for reprimanding employees, and some documentation and justification. To me it felt like the manager was just going from her own feelings and not logically substantiated enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
I don't think my yelling back at them necessarily implies that I can't have Se PoLR. I think my Se is likely 1-D because I never feel sure what the norms are regarding this aspect. I feel I have only experience to go off of. Also yelling back, could be an Fe reaction, also 1-D if I am an LII and probably not the most appropriate reaction for this situation.
Maybe. Ne is aware of different perspectives and 'sides' to things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Well it wasn't just one particular instance but a buildup over time. Moments where customers were acting rude, unruly, and uncooperative and I didn't deal with them in the most constructive manner. I think the last straw might have been when I yelled back at a rude customer and told him to "shut up!" right in front of his face. A couple of times I had a talk with a manager about these interactions, how to improve them. But nothing was ever documented (or if it was, I didn't see it and didn't get a copy). There was nothing in the line of warnings- "if you do this again, you will not be allowed to work here anymore." In fact maybe the manager was a bit too reassuring at the time- she even told me she's snapped back a few times. So maybe I didn't think it was *that* serious, more like, just do it differently the next time. But this also wasn't the exact same manager as the one that told me I couldn't work there anymore. So you also have to factor in communication between people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I mean going back to analyze the situation, common sense tells me that how I reacted towards the customers was not acceptable- you don't tell someone to "shut up." But still I felt it was unfair to just be booted out like that without warning. They could have had me go to customer service training, had me write up a specific plan to work on this particular weakness, etc. But they didn't.
Yes, Hacim is mega LII. His Fi answers don't seem as confident or as fleshed out as mine. It doesn't mean I can't be an LII though, but it could be attributed to subtype differences, enneagram differences, or other factors. For example, he mentions that he is not as sure how he demonstrates his kindness and consideration whereas I would be able to give a more clear cut answer. Also he says he "guesses" that the society would be better if people were less selfish and inconsiderate whereas I would be more definitive in that response. *I know for sure* that society would be a better place. So those are a couple of differences.Quote:
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My 80q is far from concise, too. :lol: I wanted to put in enough information myself, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
I do think you are relatively dry/unemotional but also there is that niceness/softness, sure.
Yeah, I'm like that too sometimes - I get to care a lot about fair treatment of people.Quote:
I find that I can be rude if I perceive other people being rude to me or towards others. Maybe that's rather hypocritical in a way. My goal is to have harmony in relationships between others in the end where rudeness between others would not exist. But I don't think I'm ever initially rude or rude without a good cause. It's more a reactionary defensive tactic.
Ne with Ti can make some sense (except when not, lol), Ne with Fi absolutely does not.Quote:
Why is it worse? Is it just an opposing quadra thing or is there more to it than that?
Err, that was written by Muddytextures, not you :) So definitely no worries.Quote:
I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to offend you. You're right, there are many psychologically healthy SLEs that are nothing like Trump. I don't know Ananke well enough to assess his/her type. Doesn't seem anything like Trump though.
I think your reasoning there about relying on Ti makes sense.Quote:
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Yeah I can see how you felt that was unfair due to lack of a clear and fair system being in place.Quote:
Well it wasn't just one particular instance but a buildup over time. Moments where customers were acting rude, unruly, and uncooperative and I didn't deal with them in the most constructive manner. I think the last straw might have been when I yelled back at a rude customer and told him to "shut up!" right in front of his face. A couple of times I had a talk with a manager about these interactions, how to improve them. But nothing was ever documented (or if it was, I didn't see it and didn't get a copy). There was nothing in the line of warnings- "if you do this again, you will not be allowed to work here anymore." In fact maybe the manager was a bit too reassuring at the time- she even told me she's snapped back a few times. So maybe I didn't think it was *that* serious, more like, just do it differently the next time. But this also wasn't the exact same manager as the one that told me I couldn't work there anymore. So you also have to factor in communication between people.
I mean going back to analyze the situation, common sense tells me that how I reacted towards the customers was not acceptable- you don't tell someone to "shut up." But still I felt it was unfair to just be booted out like that without warning. They could have had me go to customer service training, had me write up a specific plan to work on this particular weakness, etc. But they didn't.
Yep the shut up thingy is pretty unprofessional tbh. The last couple lines, in an ideal world maybe it would always be a realistic expectation, but I dunno what the exact circumstances were in your case so I can't say if it was intentionally unfair or the costs/time spent on this just could not be justified etc.
Don't forget you're a girl and he's not - this culture usually helps women to be a bit more in touch with feelings.Quote:
Yes, Hacim is mega LII. His Fi answers don't seem as confident or as fleshed out as mine. It doesn't mean I can't be an LII though, but it could be attributed to subtype differences, enneagram differences, or other factors. For example, he mentions that he is not as sure how he demonstrates his kindness and consideration whereas I would be able to give a more clear cut answer. Also he says he "guesses" that the society would be better if people were less selfish and inconsiderate whereas I would be more definitive in that response. *I know for sure* that society would be a better place. So those are a couple of differences.
@chips and underwear After some vacillation, I think you are LII-Ne. This subtype, the "producing" subtype, places more emphasis on the intuitive and ethical functions, which I would think could cause others (and perhaps yourself) to observe more NF-ish tendencies in you. Regardless, you are a high quality person.
Why more SLI than LII? I'm just curious.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Starfall
How do I seem more Si than Ti to you? Again just curious. SLI is actually not a bad guess and it is a type I have considered. The Fe PoLR I sometimes wonder if I have. I know that overly dramatic emotions can set me off, I prefer more calm, even emotionality. On the other hand I do relate to Fe suggestive because I do like uplifting, positive emotionality. I guess its just the strong, negative emotions and/or overly dramatic emotional displays I dislike.Quote:
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Sometimes I also wonder if I am not Ne seeking. Sometimes I need assistance in seeing possibilities and alternatives. Especially when I'm trapped in a problem and see no easy way out. On the other hand, I feel like my Ne is greater than 1-D. I can read something and interpret it many different ways for example or come up with alternative uses for objects. It depends on the situation exactly.
I am not offended if you think I'm your conflictor. Perhaps that's another argument in favor of SLI. Some EIEs (not you, but others) I have difficulty with. It could be their over dramatic emotions. Then mixing Fe with Se mobilizing, they want to cause drama, shake things up, maybe even stir up a little controversy when I just want things more calm and relaxed. Se mobilizing can cause them to come across as tougher and more intimidating than they really are. I have mistaken EIE for SLE or SEE more than once. Then sometimes if they don't like something or someone, they will show just how much hate they have and they don't hesitate to show it, not caring about how how offensive or how uncomfortable it might make other people. Again this isn't all EIEs, just some of them. But it does seem like I notice these tendencies in EIEs compared more to other types.
I know a couple of E9 LIIs. They are people that want things comfortable and pleasant without conflict. But they are also very logical and analytical. More LIIs are 5s or 1s it seems. The type 9 LIIs I know, don't need to argue every little tiny logical point. They are more relaxed in that sense. More big picture global focus it seems. Also a little more in tune with their bodies and the so-called Si type matters- 9 is a gut type after all.
Why do you find Ti demonstrative annoying? How do you perceive it as different from Ti base? Besides the valued vs. unvalued aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
High quality person. Well I am flattered. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacim
How do you measure the quality of a human being?
Yes, I think, I look a lot like a humanitarian NF due to subtype.
Inconsistency. It's not constantly annoying but it happens. Never with Ti bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
But wouldn't strong Ti bring consistency even if it was in the demonstrative position? I suppose the difference might be how much each type values consistency. The Ti base is highly consistent and strongly values. The Ti demonstrative, I suppose, would find it easy to be consistent but doesn't place so much value on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Demonstrative is not maintained consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Alpha Fe vs Beta Fe. Nothing special here.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Maybe you have a different understanding of the demonstrative than I do. I thought is was always turned on, doing its thing in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Yeah, it's probably just that.Quote:
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In private. In public it's not consistently used or displayed. Compared to Base function, which is consistently on in public too.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
I think you are a Delta NF, and agree with most of what Muddytextures said. You seem to dislike and be confrontational with Beta STs especially. You seem moderately categorical and so I would be more inclined to say that you are EII over IEE however.
What? Where? She is? I've never seen this. I've never seen her be confrontational with anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
Reading through the questionnaire portion, the people she seems to come into conflict with, seem like they tend to be beta ST, or have that sort of demeanor.Quote:
Originally Posted by squark
As beta ST, I don't experience OP as confrontational, don't feel disliked by her, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
Nah. Drop the stupid stereotypes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
She also does not seem like a very confrontational person to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
When she described the people that generally aggravate her, they sound like what I would associate to be Beta ST. I'm not stereotyping, nor did I say they definitely are that. I said "seem like" and "tend to," socionics is a system of stereotypes anyways.Quote:
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I was responding to the post where you earlier said that she seems confrontational with beta STs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
I'm not convinced Trump is even a Logical type... sorry.Quote:
When she described the people that generally aggravate her, they sound like what I would associate to be Beta ST. I'm not stereotyping, nor did I say they definitely are that. I said "seem like" and "tend to," socionics is a system of stereotypes anyways.
The other two things she mentions:
*People who are very materialistic and just want to live in the present and don’t think much about the future or the consequences of their actions.
*Rebel without a cause, bad boy/bad girl types. I think most laws are there for a good reason but occasionally authority should be challenged. What I dislike is people that don’t have any respect for laws whatsoever and just want to stir up trouble and cause a ruckus.
None of this is specific to beta ST, can fit SEE just fine as much as SLE, let alone LSI.
All in all, I'm not seeing anything about Fi superego criticism here really. Mainly Se as base function is criticized and lack of Ti as well (yah bad stereotypes, again).
I don't think Trump is a logical type either, he is probably a SEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
While I do agree that a lot of the things are more just Se base, things like this
"There have been occasional conflicts with people in an online group when they say something I perceive as a bit too rude and harsh. I call them out on it, remind them they should be more tactful. The other person then gets upset at me because s/he thinks I’m being overly controlling of how they behave and what they say. The other person thinks s/he can say what they want regardless of how others might feel. I am fine with differences of opinion, just try to be more tactful about it."
make me lean towards her having stronger Fi, and lesser Ti, even though she does seem very logically oriented at times.
Well OP mentions Trump here: "*Brutal honesty where you just care about speaking the truth and not if you are offending someone. Think Donald Trump."Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
Nothing in that is Fi valuing specifically. It can be Fe or Fi, it's not clear from this much.Quote:
While I do agree that a lot of the things are more just Se base, things like this
"There have been occasional conflicts with people in an online group when they say something I perceive as a bit too rude and harsh. I call them out on it, remind them they should be more tactful. The other person then gets upset at me because s/he thinks I’m being overly controlling of how they behave and what they say. The other person thinks s/he can say what they want regardless of how others might feel. I am fine with differences of opinion, just try to be more tactful about it."
make me lean towards her having stronger Fi, and lesser Ti, even though she does seem very logically oriented at times.
I think you have a bias since you skipped over the Ti based criticisms of her, for example in my previous post.
We agree on her seeming very logically oriented but we do not agree on it being only "at times". That's basically why I type her LII over EII overall.
And nothing that you pointed out pointed specifically to Ti. Most people have some respect for laws, or at least abide by them for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
The thing you seem to not realize with her mentioning Trump being someone that she does not like, other than the obvious fact that she said because he tries to tell the truth, putting that above people's feelings, is that she has also mentioned that she tends to be liberal. People generally dislike the person who is running against their preferred party. This is a fact. There is almost a constant hate between the two sides. Why? Because people disagree, and this dislike for Trump by the op almost certainly stems from this fact.
Also, I find it strange that you believe LIIs tend to go out of there way to call people out for being too harsh or rude. That sounds much more like an EII quality to me.
The point is, it was a Logic based argument from her part, not Ethics based. You did not take this into account when trying to type OP as EII. Hence me saying there is a bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakram
I wouldn't want to guess about her motives for her not liking Trump. So let's leave this speculation at that.Quote:
The thing you seem to not realize with her mentioning Trump being someone that she does not like, other than the obvious fact that she said because he tries to tell the truth, putting that above people's feelings, is that she has also mentioned that she tends to be liberal. People generally dislike the person who is running against their preferred party. This is a fact. There is almost a constant hate between the two sides. Why? Because people disagree, and this dislike for Trump by the op almost certainly stems from this fact.
I do not type people by "qualities". That leads the wrong way. Type is about way of thinking (information processing), not personal qualities.Quote:
Also, I find it strange that you believe LIIs tend to go out of there way to call people out for being too harsh or rude. That sounds much more like an EII quality to me.
One more correction - I never claimed LIIs "tend to" do this. Otoh no, I do not claim that LIIs are incapable of doing so, either - do you claim that?
The criticisms ppl say about you are also strengths to me. Ppl said the same things to me before, and although I have the beta edginess you don't to fight some of it off - things like sensitivity and compassion/softness is sorely lacking in this world. To be thought of as insecure or weak also because of it is just the price we have to pay. /rubs you.
I also wanna take a huge brick against the skull at anybody that messes with ur feminine vulnerability and wide-eyed innocense cuz I know evil and I know how much the bad guys get a kick out of trying to fuck with you and using you. /alpha males.
now that the mushy stuff is out of the way- I gotta say could you please consider using your old screen name? I just felt it was more 'you' or something- and with your new screen name I get you confused with that Ryene woman or something, who is actually quite different than you in personality (but some reason with that screen name I think you are her all the time and it's annoying lol.) You can be whatever name you want I know but i just felt 'LIIlibriaran' was so you, why did you change it?
Because chips and underwear is supposed to be sooooo Ne ;)
The reason for my disliking Trump has to do with how I perceive his character. I don't dislike someone as a person because I don't agree with their political platform. For Trump, I dislike him as a person because his deameanor is very bullying, prejudiced against many different groups of people- anti-women, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant, etc. Says mean things and doesn't care about how that impacts other peoples' feelings because the truth must be told regardless. He seems very dishonest and insincere, saying one thing and doing another, just to get elected. Most politicians do this to some extent but with Trump it was so blatantly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
But I want to be your dual! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther
I changed my screen name over when I realized that I might not actually be an LII. I could just go with Librarian but that sounds more boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullets
It's the random juxtaposition of completely unrelated words. I don't know why but its funny to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persephone
Okay here's the story of how I came up with my username for those who haven't heard it:
I was at a potluck dinner and someone brought her 4 year old daughter and she just kept saying 'chips and underwear' over and over again. I don't know why, but we kept laughing. I guess it was a 'you had to be there moment.'
I revert my previous argument for chips being IEE, and agree more with LII now after reading more about LIIs and their emphasis on fairness. Everything in this article sounded exactly like chips.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
That article is so true of me, it's scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddytextures
Kind of leaning IEE. Delta NF seems appropriate. Has anyone from WSS typed you?
Just out of curiosity, why IEE? I can understand where people might be seeing Ne and Fi but IEE has Ti PoLR and I don't see that as being my vulnerable function. I have seriously considered EII as a possible typing for myself though.Quote:
Originally Posted by phantombride
I have officially been typed by Jack on WSS. He typed me as an LII.
The majority of the others on WSS have typed me as LII but this is by no means unanimous. There have also been a few typings of EII and SEI.
I also submitted my questionnaire (the original 80-item questionnaire, not this new one) to a couple people active in the School of System Socionics and I was typed as ESI and they were quite confident in that conclusion. Particularly the part about being Fi lead.
I did consider ESI for a brief time but then realized I identified more with alpha/delta quadras than gamma and couldn't see Se as my creative or Ne as my PoLR.
Yeah Ne is definitely there, I can see how Jack typed you as LII though. Your comment in the other thread about my "pizza is not breakfast" comment was especially Ti and the questioning social norms (free thinker mentality). IEE was my take but I have faith in Jack's understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Here is my typing video from Jack if you are interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsqQ1ojlF4Quote:
Originally Posted by phantombride
Jack is not always correct in his typings but he is correct more often than not.
yeah LII seems like a good fit from your interview. Jack does a great job at both steering the conversation in the way that it gets to the truth, without skewing anything in his favorQuote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
LII.
Your EII subtype came out a bit :) (Don't get me wrong, I see nothing here that can't be 2D Fi)Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
the strange thing is I didn't see @Sol make any comment even though he loves VI , actually I didn't see him at all since I came back, is he dead?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
yeah it is so long, I just saw the first video and I think you show more Fi than Ti, but while scan the thread I saw @Myst saying you're LII so I guess I should watch the whole thing before making a decisionQuote:
Warning, it's long! There are lots of questions and I wanted to answer thoroughly. I split it up into 4 parts.
unfortunately it is bed time, and knowing my lazy nature I may not be back within a week
XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Simo
@Sol left after he had some issue with Maritsa or whoever it was.
I am still not convinced that you are Ti-base, but I can see the point that your ethical flavor is enneagram related, I think you are E9 so-first but I am not very social so I don't know how would LII E9 so-first look like in reality
However since I am skeptical by nature, reading the below statement makes me ask what if you were answering the questionnaire that way to make it look like you are Ti-base but you are actually not which causes confusion
I am not trying to say that you are lying or anything like that, but what if you really believe you're LII but actually you're not, so unconsciously you're trying to act like it
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Originally Posted by chips and underwear
Or just ESE mom is the explanation for having decent awareness for some Ethics stuff.
Everyone's mom is ESE. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
could be :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
It feels like you are really tired of explaining LII can be decent with ethics stuff, so relax & don't push yourself too much :zen:
Definitely not mine. I don't know where this idea comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
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Originally Posted by Simo
Well lol tired of stereotype crap for sure. Don't worry about me tho' :)
It's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I know it's a joke floating around on typology forums (for ESFJ on MBTI forums as well). Still, I don't get where it originally comes from, like with quite a few other stereotypes. Is all I meant to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
PS.: I do get it that the mother's job is to be caretaking a lot blah blah, so I get the high Si part, I don't however see where the idea of Fe-dom and Fe-base comes from. My mom is ESI-Se btw, ISFJ in MBTI but almost fits some MBTI ESFJ stereotypes superficially.
Se demonstrative doesn't have much Se? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther
I'm not sure just going out vs. staying home is Si vs. Se. I think there could also be some other factors at work here. Introversion/extroversion for example. Although interestingly enough, you as the extravert prefer staying home more and the introvert prefers to go out. It also depends on the activities themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther
Going for a hike, I'm not sure how 'Se' that is. If you are going for a physically grueling hike where you challenge your abilities, that could be Se, but if you're just going for a more leisurely hike to get in touch with nature, that would be more Si.
Going to the movies- it completely depends on what the movie is.
Going to the gym- that could be more Se oriented, but again there could be multiple reasons why people go to the gym, not just Se related.
Stereotypically, you sound like an introvert, with low Se. I don't know about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther
Hhaah well that's almost certainly an Si/Se conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrowsofyoungwerther
Fair enough - I did say it's only stereotypically introverted - but I'm still surprised at you feeling like you have low Se. Anyway I don't really want to get into discussing this any longer.Quote:
I get my Fe needs met by my 40 hour work week. I have a job in which I interact a lot with others in a very personable manner. If I am bored I can do some work e-mail on the weekends or call my parents to chat. Usually a girlfriend will come over and we will talk for a few hours. For the most part the weekends need to be relaxed because the workweek is demanding.
Many ESEs give so much of their heart to their jobs that we need to relax on the weekends.
LII-Ne 9w1 so/sx would work best IMO.
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Originally Posted by Ares
I'm not sure about being SP last.
I suppose so/sx works better than so/sp because it's syn flow.
What was wrong about that sp/so warmside thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by chips and underwear
I think that makes more sense for me than so/sx but I'm not completely throwing out the possibility either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst