I am sick of all the beta duality being IEI and SLE. Rationals can be betas too! So on this thread you can only post EIE and LSI duality because otherwise no one would care about us :crying:.
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I am sick of all the beta duality being IEI and SLE. Rationals can be betas too! So on this thread you can only post EIE and LSI duality because otherwise no one would care about us :crying:.
What?
Lol sentiments echoed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verbrannte
Seriously though, I do like to see more threads on this, ofc.
Let me start with an observation - it must be the most complex ever duality. =)
Why do you think it is complex?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Or more complex than other dualities?
Complex? You mean my threatening suicide when you couldn't make it for coffee was TOO COMPLICATED FOR YOU? :squirtle::char: I AM TOO GOOD FOR THIS WORLD! *faints, artistically*
:crispy:
OK, I get it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
Seriously, I was about to say, not from the standpoint of an EIE, but from that of an LIE, that LSI's are remarkably attractive, keep themselves in much better shape than the average person, are extremely sensible, and are easy to approach. They aren't pushy or crazy and will both subtly show their interest and will wait for you to approach them. Invite them for coffee, don't be pushy or gauche, and by the third or fourth date, you should be good. What is complex about that?
But I guess every yin has a yang.
The complexity is constituted by the fact that EIEs are chameleons - what you see may be a masquerade or identity play, utter confusion even. Only if the LSI spots that very feat, the feat that the EIE is an actor par excellence, they can come together. But their NeFi weak zone has problems grasping the essence or potential in other people in relation to themselves - drama ensues :cry:
^And then the Eternal Dual looks at you quizzically but politely, and wonders about the merits of another glass of Sangria. *sigh* You know that mystical ramblings would get you filed as "fun but unreliable", and that polite inquiry into their pants would get you one (1) thank-you text, so you just...
CUM TO DADDY MY DOOL, WE'LL GET WRECKED! :D :hello: :ew: *drunk sniffle*
and then you get your first official toothbrush (!) and VOILÀ, *you* can send a thank-you note craftily crafted to become an Interesting Conversation(tm). :muaha:
Just demonstrating.
Lmfao XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Verbrannte
Subtly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
And no it's not just 3-4 dates for me to really have things going good. Lol. I think same for EIEs too.
Btw I was half joking originally about it having to be the most complex duality. I read that insinuation somewhere though :)
Maybe the 'complex' part was said by some Fi-valuer tbh.
This video is such a fav, major Beta rational vibes. Dramatic, dark and disturbing™ scenario - bordering the NSFW zone - of an EIE queen/nun and the LSI soldier Alejandro. Another TiSe cherry on top: An army, and supposedly monks.
Features a striking Si PoLR interpretation, aka a fully revised version of comfort through Se attempts and overintuitive play with symbolism. Convenience is portrayed as far from normal as possible as in the scenes of:
- Rosary eating
- A nailed heart carried on a pillow during funeral
- energetic body throwing EVERYWHERE
- the gun/club (?) bra
- males in fishnets and heels
- puppet strings in the bedroom
- a violent reverse harem
- latex as the female standard gown
- soldiers dancing and carrying large symbols, monks showing skin
- nun w/ plateau heels and red cross crotch signs
- beds, each one on a leash, extreme gyrating
- the freakiest lace binoculars ever
- Mireille Mathieu hair on fleek
!!! Mind 3:38, it's loud and unexpected !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqrrmev4mA
^^ lol da fuq
why are betas so weird.
Do we really have to have a thread on this?
Discussion is going on so it seems that there's demand :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenbane
The ones with E4 influence can pull a stunt like this :lol: And Ni plus Fe combined - that's quite a combo. The video is actually more of a homage (to the gay community) than a shocker but it turned out #Gaga anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteronfireee
EIE/LSI duality is intense and delicious. And perfect. And delicious. And full of deliciousness. <3
LSI x EIE... cool Skater!AU
I kind of like the "gay dance/dancers" in this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chae
Ikr! They got skills. I'm still busy trying to figure out the symbols they're carrying around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singularity
Well what do you know, someone cares enough about EIE/LSI duality to make a thread, thought I would have to make one. The stereotype of the Male SLE Rapist and IEI Female Victim thing got old years ago. I honestly don't know what EIE/LSI duality looks like, or how it differs from SLE/IEI duality. Particularly when the male is EIE and the LSI is female, I think I know how female EIEs are, but males must be different, same for LSIs. I'm so different from male LSIs that a lot of the gender biased articles don't tell me much about this dual pair.
I know what this duality looks like. I am EIE and I have lived it multiple times. It's fucking intense, to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
I become myself. With all of my intensity. All of my anger and passion and fluctuating emotions. It's beautiful.
I am so glad for socionics to be able to understand what these relationships are, and how to recognize these people. Knowing them is a privilege, and I hope you can experience the same thing I have.
To be honest, it really isn't something I am romanticizing, although I know full-well it sounds that way. I promise you, I'm not, And I really don't want to scare you off by sounding unrealistic about it.
It is not unrealistic or a fantasy. It is just real and raw and honest. Staring into the eyes of your dual and knowing what they are. Knowing what they see. Seeing into their world. It's beautiful to know someone. To KNOW them. Does that make sense to you?
I have grown so much.. I happen to work with a SHIT TON of LSI's. A SHIT TON. I love each and every one of them very much...
I was play fighting with one of my dual friends today, saying really insulting things to him and vice versa (like usual, lmao. which seems to be a running theme within this dual pair, at least for me..probably just because I'm a crazy-ass bitch) Everyone around us is like gasping at the horrible shit we were saying to each other lmfao, although we were OBVIOUSLY JOKING. Well, anyways, there was a silent moment between us and he just looked into my eyes and grabbed my hand. He nodded and told me he loved me. I told him I loved him also. That's what I fucking live for-those moments. To be seen. To be seen is to know what it is to be alive...in part, at least.
I have SO many exchanges and experiences I can relate to you, if you are interested. You can always PM me too if you want to have a more private conversation. You can ask me ANYTHING YOU WANT. And nothing is off limits. So please, feel free, Pole Ninja!!! Rip my mind apart and dissect me, I dare you.
That is hilarious. I love it when I can insult someone and they know it's a joke and it's this everlasting of the battle of come backs. I'm amused by the way you insist that it's not unrealistic, like you are anticipating me, an LSI, to immediately shoot back that that's a bunch of non-sense. No, I tell my conflictors that they are being unrealistic LOL. Basically what you are describing is a phase I went through in my teens when the chemicals in my brain turned me into a temporary EIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
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Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
OH MY GOD. Lmao that is LITERALLY what my EIE/LSI duality experiences have been built on. And that is how I have been able to differentiate them from my semi-duals. INTj's and I have this awesome exchange of banter going on usually, but lacking what I assume is Se... THE INTENSITY!!!! Lol. INTj's give it back, but not as hard as LSI's ;) Meow...
I can get as fucking angry as I want to be and LSI's will laugh in my face and just grab me tight and understand that I'm joking.
INTj's just kind of get lost and don't know how to respond lmfao.
Don't get me wrong, I do love INTj's. But I can't seem to get them to play choke me....Hmm. Too bad.
At least I know where I can get that from when I need it. :hello:
You fucking sadistic rapist cunts.
I see what you are saying, because when I am talking to ESE, I get a good dose of Fe from them but, like you said, there is a lack of intensity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
Also, who would want to rape your ugly ass?
Only someone smart enough to hide my ugly face deep into the pillowcase as I'm getting fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
I am going to sleep, but don't assume this is over. This is just the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
You're just saying that hoping I will rape you as you pretend to sleep... I already told you, your ass is unwanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
I'm sure you'll find something to do with my mouth, instead. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
Found something for you to do instead. Attachment 9992Attachment 9993Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
Okay this is the part I don't get.
I don't see it as type related at all as to whether someone likes to do insults with friends. Maybe there are type related differences in how it's done, I didn't check that closely. But I do recall an LII trying to pick at me, throwing his own version of insults, and he got a response from me that he found too aggressive (and it was not a joke at all from my part, let alone light). So he retreated. Then I asked why he was even doing this and he said this is a way for him to see who he can be friends with, because they won't be responding like that or something. And yeah, no, I found his style too passive-aggressively sarcastic.
The other thing I don't get is why this is such fun if an "attack" is not done for real, for some real target/goal, just as a light joke or whatever. "Joke" here specifically means light, not serious and not intense enough in any way. Mix that with just pretending to do aggression and I'll find that boring and aimless pretty quickly. But then I don't know how EIEs do it I guess. I have known two EIEs for a decade or more, they are pretty close friends of mine, and neither of them tried to insult me like that, ever. After reading up on these things here before, I actually asked each of them as to why not. They said they just didn't think I'd want that. Okay, no idea about these things. End of story. :shrug.
Last time I did regularly insult others intentionally like that (not entirely serious stuff, though it probably looked too aggressive poking, again, was NOT light jokes at all, so it was serious in that sense) was when I was a kid in middle school and I then got hated on stuff so I assumed that was part of the reason. Again, no idea. Been many years ago. Since then, almost no experience with any of this stuff with people except for definitely not entertaining things like the annoying passive-aggressive jabs like that LII example above. The closest example I can recall is when I was once in some unusual mood while talking to an ILI who didn't mind me going pretty intense crazy (NOT light and most definitely not passive-aggressive jabs) and who actually enjoyed it.
Angry, for real, or as a joke? As a joke = doesn't compute for me. I have no problem with real anger, as fucking angry as you want to get, sure no problem. But mixing it with just joking, I don't get what you mean by that. I don't know what kind of mood exactly that is. See the rest of my post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
Oh and reading your exchanges with Pole Ninja here, where you started with saying the sadistic thingy about LSIs, I'd have just taken that as some generalization meant in a humorous tone, and not at all directed at me so no reaction from my part when I read that beyond finding it a bit funny. (Not too lightly funny, a bit more intense kind actually, but just a little dose of that.)
How about the LSI female/EIE male version though? Have you seen that too? Curious, since I have the same question as Pole Ninja here...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
I'm the same way with the ESEs that I'm sure are ESE, yeah. It's a bit weird really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
Hmm I didn't get that phase somehow or any other phase when a teenager. :shrugQuote:
Basically what you are describing is a phase I went through in my teens when the chemicals in my brain turned me into a temporary EIE.
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Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
LMAO!! ����
Omg...I laughed so hard hahahah!!!
*bows to you*
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Lmfao. The stitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pole Ninja
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Originally Posted by Myst
Yep, I totally understand what you meant above.
So, I think it may be a little more difficult to fully express online as opposed to being in person and actually interacting with me. I will try my best here.
What I'm basically trying to express here is that betas have this exclusive sort of intensity to them that I haven't seen in other quadras. In their physical movements, and also in the way they speak. (But not in every case, obviously) So what I'm saying is-when LSI's and I banter-we tend to have a pretty aggressive way of speaking to each other. It just takes on a different tone than with different types. But abbbbbbsoluuutely not always. Constantly bantering with ANYONE gets extremely annoying. I would hate to have a friendship that was built on that alone. That really wouldn't be much of a friendship at all. Obviously that would take away any kind of depth out of the relationship. But when we DO have these kind of exchanges, we just say things to each other that generally are pretty blunt, and make other humans gasp. Lol. :P
I have included some examples for you. Lol I hope this doesn't sound retarted as shit. It isn't the same online, feel me dawg?
#1. Okay so I met my friend's LSI father for the first time, and only knew him for the few days that I spent the night at her house. The VERY FIRST THING he said to me wasn't hey, hello or nice to meet you, it was..."There's that nappy headed girl." LOL. That sounds really tame over the internet, but you would have had to be there to understand how funny it was. Because for one- he said it in a way that could have been very easily taken as an insult if it was said to anyone else. On top of that, we were in a formal setting, it was surprising to everyone around us listening, because he was a person who had a really kind and calm exterior with others. He was a very quiet, kind, simple man. You just would never expect him to say something like that. But you see, it is that feeling of familiarity that duals get around me. They just KNOW I won't respond in a hostile or offended manner, but in a completely welcoming manner. Oh man..It really was such a hilarious moment, and everyone in the room laughed for a good few minutes. He was awesome and I liked him immediately... Actually, my ENFP friend was jealous of the way he treated me. When we were standing in front of him, she kept jokingly insisting that he "liked her more." He just winked at me with a smirk, and gave me a tight hug. He told me he loved me and that he would miss me as I was leaving. Apparently, after I did leave, he went on and on about me, saying I was beautiful and talented and this and that, and that his daughter needed more friends like me. (his daughter was EIE, also. She was such a good, genuine friend) I actually teared up lmao. Seriously though. So sweet. <3
Okay, whatever. Moving on. Here are some more examples.
#2. Just YESTERDAY I was talking to one of my LSI's at work. We will call him Drew. What I love about our friendship is the quick, drastic change of tone in our conversations. We are really warm with each other and then ALL OF A SUDDEN it flips and we play fight...viciously. XD So, he always greets me by saying "Hi, my love" and I say the same thing. Well, a few minutes after we greeted each other, I walked up to him and got nose to nose with him and with a blank expression I told him, "go the fuck home and go back to your cave, you're embarrassing me, and don't need to be seen in the public eye." Hahaha. One of our homiez at work said "OMG!!" and another gasped because they couldn't tell I was joking. He just smiled and laughed a bit.
3# That same LSI was working up front, and an ENFP and I were chatting at a table nearby. It was really busy and I was about to leave, but she was still clocked in and supposed to be working. He can't stand her, so he came over and firmly told us "Go find something to do. You're fine to stay here SpreeFirit, but Alex, you need to go do something productive and not just sit here all day." She got really upset and looked like she was about to cry. She muttered that was was rude and sulked as she walked away. I felt bad for her, lol. She's a really nice person, and he is always picking at her. I have to tell him to back off of her sometimes lol! But yeah, he says things very very firmly, and she didn't take to that well. If he had directed that statement at me, I wouldn't have reacted the way she did. I've seen quite a few of this conflict between IEE's and my duals.
Alright, well these are just a few examples because I don't want to overwhelm you with any more silly stories.
Oh and also, when I meant "I can get angry," I meant, when they say playfully rude things to me, I sometimes pretend to get offended or angry at what they have said. It's just all in good fun. They don't take me seriously when his happens.
I think LSI's and I interact this way to subconsciously release some sort of inner tension and to poke fun at ourselves and our need for control. At our core I think we both truly love control, and we sense that. It might be an aristocratic type of humor also. It's great, to dispel that, without damaging anyone or hurting anyone in the process.
Did this make a bit more sense?
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Originally Posted by Myst
Good question...you know what...I actually don't recall seeing any EIE male, LSI female relations....I would love to though. I know some amazing EIE guys. My best guy friend is an EIE, and happens to be one of the funniest people I know.
Haha yeah I have seen ESE's interact with LSI's, the LSI's seem to just kind of not give a shit and keep saying whatever is on their mind, and the ESE's just laugh, but never really give it back. :/ meh. It kind of falls flat.
So EIE is attracted to certainty of LSI because he knows his scatology reports throughout having no hesitations in his mind.
LSI likes someone who can...be cheery?
I think I understand the intensity thing but not entirely when applied to non-serious insults. I'd have to see your examples in action, the tone/expression etc. I've been wondering before tho' if my running coach is LSI, he's a bit like this. Intense poking that makes me have extra readiness to respond but it doesn't seem like an actual insult in the wrong way. :hello: So the readiness I get isn't hostile, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
Eh though, I wouldn't do what your friend's LSI father does, I can't imagine what kind of environment it would be where I'd be like that. But then you say he has duals around in his family, maybe to do with that... Dunno, as I said, my two friends I mentioned don't try to approach me in this way for god knows exactly what reason.
And don't worry, it wasn't too retarded. Just about not. :)
That one sounds impossible enough to not be real. :) That is, I wouldn't think it's meant seriously.Quote:
#2. Just YESTERDAY I was talking to one of my LSI's at work. We will call him Drew. What I love about our friendship is the quick, drastic change of tone in our conversations. We are really warm with each other and then ALL OF A SUDDEN it flips and we play fight...viciously. XD So, he always greets me by saying "Hi, my love" and I say the same thing. Well, a few minutes after we greeted each other, I walked up to him and got nose to nose with him and with a blank expression I told him, "go the fuck home and go back to your cave, you're embarrassing me, and don't need to be seen in the public eye." Hahaha. One of our homiez at work said "OMG!!" and another gasped because they couldn't tell I was joking. He just smiled and laughed a bit.
Reminds me of coach again if I imagine this "picking at" kind of firmness right.Quote:
3# That same LSI was working up front, and an ENFP and I were chatting at a table nearby. It was really busy and I was about to leave, but she was still clocked in and supposed to be working. He can't stand her, so he came over and firmly told us "Go find something to do. You're fine to stay here SpreeFirit, but Alex, you need to go do something productive and not just sit here all day." She got really upset and looked like she was about to cry. She muttered that was was rude and sulked as she walked away. I felt bad for her, lol. She's a really nice person, and he is always picking at her. I have to tell him to back off of her sometimes lol! But yeah, he says things very very firmly, and she didn't take to that well. If he had directed that statement at me, I wouldn't have reacted the way she did. I've seen quite a few of this conflict between IEE's and my duals.
Oh that makes sense, yeah, about the control thing especially. I don't really think I know how to do that while keeping it really just funny and not get misunderstood, tho', let alone put myself in the right mood for it on my own. Maybe I spent too much time around Ne/Si types. :p Also, I have other ways to release tension.Quote:
Alright, well these are just a few examples because I don't want to overwhelm you with any more silly stories.
Oh and also, when I meant "I can get angry," I meant, when they say playfully rude things to me, I sometimes pretend to get offended or angry at what they have said. It's just all in good fun. They don't take me seriously when his happens.
I think LSI's and I interact this way to subconsciously release some sort of inner tension and to poke fun at ourselves and our need for control. At our core I think we both truly love control, and we sense that. It might be an aristocratic type of humor also. It's great, to dispel that, without damaging anyone or hurting anyone in the process.
Did this make a bit more sense?
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Originally Posted by Myst
Ahhhhh! Your very last sentence... :biggrin: :eyes:
Bad ass mutha fuckaaaa
Lol so, you spend time around a lot of Ne/Si users? Like which types specifically? Do you really think that has altered your personality in any way?
Lack of intensity with ESE and LSI holds true in what I've seen as well. (ESE male LSI female) Not sure about EIE/LSI though.
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Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
I spent too much time around them in a group yeah. Some Ne egos. No, I wasn't trying to say it altered my personality.Quote:
Lol so, you spend time around a lot of Ne/Si users? Like which types specifically? Do you really think that has altered your personality in any way?
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Originally Posted by Myst
Interesting. However, I can't help but notice you said you spent "too much time around them." So, why do you say that? Do you just mean they annoyed you somehow?
The feeling of annoyance would be mutual, I think. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
Actually, I get along decently well with some of them (and then not with others) but in terms of humour, definitely no shared taste, which is what the topic was here.
Let me know if that's clear or if you got any more questions :)
Oh, that's definitely clear. But I most certainly always have more questions for you.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Yeah, I spend most of my time around betas and gammas. I naturally gravitate toward them.
My brother is IEI and has primarily alpha SF friends. The dynamic change is so drastic. The topic of conversation and overall mood of the room is different.
Let's just continue our PM so we don't continue to derail this thread! I'm not an ENFP you know!! :P
Yep. I dressed awful, dyed my hair about every color, and wrote emo lyrics. Glad that's over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
So betas want to belong as aristocratic to a certain group. That's funny. Sometimes betas have asked my stance about something and I say whatever and try make it clear that I avoid those kinds of attachments and be impartial. They just don't get it.
Music particularly is kind of big deal for them.
Room consisting of alphas and betas.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpreeFirit
There's LSI, SLE, IEI, ESE and me.
Betas go and express themselves ESE is there uncomfortably trying to part of something and take part. I don't know whether betas ever notice it.
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Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale
We notice.
Bump.
This song seems to be sung by an EIE who encountered an LSI who tried to nail him down. Just my two cents worth. Duals don't always appreciate each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcdOLKx2XG8
Since we're doing music
Beta rational duality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgJFqVvb2Ws
Platonic duality in a military setting:
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Stuart and Jackson were an unlikely pair: one outgoing, the other introverted; one flashily uniformed, the other plainly dressed; one Prince Rupert and the other Cromwell. Yet Stuart's self-confidence, penchant for action, deep love of Virginia, and total abstinence from such vices as alcohol, tobacco, and pessimism endeared him to Jackson. ... Stuart was the only man in the Confederacy [who] could make Jackson laugh—and who dared to do so.
After John Bonham of Led Zeppelin died, his EIE dual, Jimmy Page, formed another band after many months and made an album with this song on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Q2yD0jBbQ
So... fictional but Yennefer and Geralt from the Netflix Witcher series? Maybe?
Geralt is pretty obviously SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by remiges
Off topic, but is the witcher worth watching?
I liked it. I played the games and so my opinion is colored by that, a friend of mine watched it without playing the game and found it confusing until the very end (they don’t explain some things as they happen only after the fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by ashlesha
Regarding Geralt SLI, it seemed to me he did not value Si... seemed to be more into the power aspect I see associated with Se.
edit: more detail. Didn’t it seem more aggressor like how he chased after Yennefer than caregiver like? There was an element of caregiver, in as much as he wanted to protect her from herself, but most of it was “I like. I want.” I mean if I was convinced about Fi I would almost consider an ESI (superficially appearing like a thinking type due to being a macho man) than SLI... I could not see Geralt cooking a nice meal for her or making sure she wasn’t cold. LOL.
I haven't actually seen any of the episodes. I based my opinion of Geralt on VI from some stills. Perhaps the actor is SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by remiges
I see. If you ever watch it, I'd be curious to know what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I am having a hard time justifying VI. I can see the use of clues - what someone is wearing, where they are, frequency of smiling perhaps - but... I have to say, the idea of an Se jawbone seems off to me (made up but I think gets at the idea). While I could say... that personality type may have a genetic component, so perhaps some elements of physical appearance, also related to genetics, could arise together, sure, but it seems a stretch...
...or not?
Anyway, carry on.
Thanks for not simply saying that I am an idiot for believing in VI.Quote:
Originally Posted by remiges
Yes, there is no Se jawbone. The face is a gestalt.
Also, by VI, Yennifer is ESI. Probably the e9 flavor.
:thinking: been reading Strat on this and its pretty much Geralt LSI and Yennefer EIE or Katherine Minola EIE and Petruchio LSI in "the taming of the shrew"
:shock: the thing is I am unable to tolerate women like Yennefer or Katherine lol... e_e my reaction is always extreme annoyance then anger then dump and block. I'd be lying if I'd say I haven't met or dated EIEs be4. It always ends with me getting fed up and leaving :/ .. I can't imagine who in their right mind would even begin tolerating their crap tbh. EIE-LSI duality sounds like a living nightmare..:red: at some point having to deal with the drama just becomes exhausting on top of the constant irritation. Its unworkable even as a friendship as the presence of the EIE is a source of annoyance and anxiety one longs to be rid of and when it happens its like a burden has been lifted.
Example 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDzGi3YaXQ
Example 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTewMAiNWwo
Or mb it actually works less cinematicaly IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
Two assassins chasing/sleeping with each other. I can only see death. LOL. Anyway, (as I will trample all over your Ne) wouldn't common goals be more fitting? Can you make them more stable? Can they drive you out of dysthymic state?
I don't like conflict or when ppl dump their emotions on others or in public lol. Having stuff in common even goals does not seem to alleviate the dread and anxiety of having someone around who nags or "explodes" emotionally or tries to pry and search my own feelings on things (which is annoying to deal with). I don't like telling ppl what to do or how to be either, so I prefer to not change ppl. I avoid ppl I can't get along with. Long term exposure seems to irritate me and then I get really effing angry and just cut the relationship abruptly. I have been dealing with this kind of emotional garbage between my mother and grandmother ever since I have known myself. Its probably part of why I'm depressed tbh, at this point I'm so allergic to drama and this kind of garbage that the moment I detect it I immediately move in to "pour water on the flames" by threat of physical violence if need be. Anything to make it stop, if I can't make it stop I'll avoid the ppl who cause it, if I can't avoid.. I blow up like a nuclear bomb.. ppl say I'm scary when it gets like this, its usually when I break stuff. 0 tolerance for this stuff from my part tho.. I prefer to just talk about things and reach an understanding if possible without histrionics or drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007
OK. I have seen SEI meltdowns but I have always been capable of calming them. When SEE's have those I can deal with it but I'd never want to be around them after that. I think it varies based on a person.
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Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
When LSI want attention, sometimes they can be so obnoxious.
LOL I remember reading Shakespeare and Katerina as the shrew is probably the histrionic female character. I think in order for LSI to get with their dual, they’ll have put up with a lot of emotionally heightened situations for a long time in order to gain stability since EIE have PoLR Si (except if they’re EIE-H which is more manageable). I don’t see LSI (despite being Fe seeking) being able to handle so much Fe from an EJ irl. LSI is supposedly the most common male type, and is regimented, rigid. This is like the most common problem for “regular” guys. It’s not the Ti that’s troublesome, it’s the pairing of Ti with Se that makes them intolerant of too much external stimuli. If the Ti don’t accept, then the Se makes sure rejection happens. LSI wants to know how someone feels through outward expression but they don’t want to be around melodrama. It’s also the Se that makes them want something “exciting” but they don’t like to be in situations where they don’t feel adept and aren’t in control. So there’s a part of them that wants routine and everything being normal and regimented, but then there’s the part where they don’t want staleness and like being around someone with some spice and spunk. EIE is just doing too much. I think the reason why irl more supervision marriages happen, esp. with LSI and SEE is because there’s always something to get heated up to talk about. So either LSI puts up with SEE’s impulsiveness (Se) and SEE’s Fe isn’t constantly being “on” aka emotive, or LSI gets with EIE who is deliberate by being emotionally manipulative but they aren’t impulsive. LSI don’t want Si because that’ll get boring and stale. They don’t want Ne cuz that’s too weird. They hate Te cuz that’s going directly against them. They don’t want Fi cuz that’s just too much holier-than-thou martyrdom. I don’t think they want Ni either since that’s detached from day to day life. I honestly don’t think LSI wants happiness because they’re so intolerant and specific.
My parents are LSI and SEE. My LSI dad complains that my SEE mom is too strong-willed, too modern, and criticized that she does everything “wrong.” Yet he believes she’s perfect, loves her, and tries to stir things up just so she would pay attention to him and they would have something to talk about. They secretly still have a shared banking account together (it’s really for me). My mom is avoidant of interacting with my dad because she knows his wife is psycho and she doesn’t want to cause my dad any trouble. My parents have been divorced for ages, but my dad would call my mom up just to hear her voice (even to this day) but when his wife walks by him (I think his wife is actually EIE), he’ll change his tone to “argue” with my mom over something. His wife has caused problems for him and extremely emotive. She don’t like me because I’m from “another woman” and she would cause so much drama that I’m so much like both my parents so when I’m around, my dad talks about my mom more and the she can’t handle it. I’ve told her many times, “I’ve had my dad since I was born and he’ll never get rid of me. He won’t stop loving my mom, either. We’re still family and you’re not a part of it and never will be.” That sends her off in a frenzy to know she can’t possess my dad. She don’t want him to talk to my mom for any reason. She doesn’t even like that my dad sends me money or that my dad talks to me, either. So my dad and I text on the sly. My dad has given me money on the sly. His wife is so extremely jealous that she gives him hell when I come over to visit because she knows I remind my dad of my mom. I can see it on my dad’s face that he wished he never pulled the stunts he did (he caused the divorce when my mom would have stayed with him forever) and he downgraded to marrying a histrionic cow. Now my dad can’t undo what’s been done so he has no choice but to put up with and has been putting up with his wife who has been keeping separate bedrooms since they’ve been married (for like 13 years).
e_e I'm neither regimented nor rigid. Dude, I'm like a MBTI ISTP, very easy going, private, undisciplined, scattered, messy and I like tinkering with technology for fun, photography, using tools and solving practical problems, repairing and building stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiana
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I enjoy loud metal concerts with thousands of ppl, music that you can feel vibrating your ribs lol, being in the mosh-pit. I'm not hsp. Also as I said, not routinized. Normally on a day off I go to sleep whenever, wake up whenever and do whatever I feel like doing during the day. I practically never make plans and am undisciplined. I don't care about rules and regulation and I make a terrible administrator as I hate pushing ppl to do shit or arguing with ppl. Ppl who do that, like my boss for example are.. extremely annoying and cringe tbh. What ppl tell me I need in a woman would be someone lighthearted outgoing, social and fun and I admit that would be nice lol. Get a fun little sports car and just go wherever and have fun together. Ofc ppl in a relationship quarrel, but its easy to talk it out and agree on something as long as its mutually agreeable in the end, there is no need to cause drama.Quote:
This is like the most common problem for “regular” guys. It’s not the Ti that’s troublesome, it’s the pairing of Ti with Se that makes them intolerant of too much external stimuli. If the Ti don’t accept, then the Se makes sure rejection happens. LSI wants to know how someone feels through outward expression but they don’t want to be around melodrama. It’s also the Se that makes them want something “exciting” but they don’t like to be in situations where they don’t feel adept and aren’t in control. So there’s a part of them that wants routine and everything being normal and regimented, but then there’s the part where they don’t want staleness and like being around someone with some spice and spunk
:/ dafuq, idk as I said I'm easy going, friendly and chill. Kids and animals seem to like me for the same reason ppl who are stressed do: I make them feel at ease. Idk LSI has this harsh image I just never relate to.Quote:
EIE is just doing too much. I think the reason why irl more supervision marriages happen, esp. with LSI and SEE is because there’s always something to get heated up to talk about. So either LSI puts up with SEE’s impulsiveness (Se) and SEE’s Fe isn’t constantly being “on” aka emotive, or LSI gets with EIE who is deliberate by being emotionally manipulative but they aren’t impulsive. LSI don’t want Si because that’ll get boring and stale. They don’t want Ne cuz that’s too weird. They hate Te cuz that’s going directly against them. They don’t want Fi cuz that’s just too much holier-than-thou martyrdom. I don’t think they want Ni either since that’s detached from day to day life. I honestly don’t think LSI wants happiness because they’re so intolerant and specific.
/o\ a repeating pattern in relationships for me seems to be me freaking out about other ppl's terrible Si, trying to get them to have better Si. e_e one gf I got ridd of for example because she was practically destroying herself physically while constantly complaining that her body is a burden. Extremely stubborn and resistant to any Si advice I gave which made me pushy, which is uncomfortable and stressful for me ..e_e so I dumped her ass when I noticed I was getting commanding.
:shock: now imagine EIEs being even worse at this and when I say something about it.. they get butthurt lol. Xd fucken pull yourselves together goddamn it, the victim mentality is annoying.
:/ damn... sry about your family situation.Quote:
My parents are LSI and SEE. My LSI dad complains that my SEE mom is too strong-willed, too modern, and criticized that she does everything “wrong.” Yet he believes she’s perfect, loves her, and tries to stir things up just so she would pay attention to him and they would have something to talk about. They secretly still have a shared banking account together (it’s really for me). My mom is avoidant of interacting with my dad because she knows his wife is psycho and she doesn’t want to cause my dad any trouble. My parents have been divorced for ages, but my dad would call my mom up just to hear her voice (even to this day) but when his wife walks by him (I think his wife is actually EIE), he’ll change his tone to “argue” with my mom over something. His wife has caused problems for him and extremely emotive. She don’t like me because I’m from “another woman” and she would cause so much drama that I’m so much like both my parents so when I’m around, my dad talks about my mom more and the she can’t handle it. I’ve told her many times, “I’ve had my dad since I was born and he’ll never get rid of me. He won’t stop loving my mom, either. We’re still family and you’re not a part of it and never will be.” That sends her off in a frenzy to know she can’t possess my dad. She don’t want him to talk to my mom for any reason. She doesn’t even like that my dad sends me money or that my dad talks to me, either. So my dad and I text on the sly. My dad has given me money on the sly. His wife is so extremely jealous that she gives him hell when I come over to visit because she knows I remind my dad of my mom. I can see it on my dad’s face that he wished he never pulled the stunts he did (he caused the divorce when my mom would have stayed with him forever) and he downgraded to marrying a histrionic cow. Now my dad can’t undo what’s been done so he has no choice but to put up with and has been putting up with his wife who has been keeping separate bedrooms since they’ve been married (for like 13 years).
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Originally Posted by timber
Yeah, subtypes make a huge difference, the Sensory subtype is a lot more laid back on average than the logical subtype. LSI-Se can make me feel at ease, the logical subtype lacks that ability.
The stereotypical rigid angry LSI is the logical subtype (and even then not to all of them), those don't apply much to the vast majority of LSI-Se; they apply to some, but not the majority. LSI-Se aren't really very inflexible; they're very responsive and the majority of them are ok with or even like big changes.
Maybe people will believe, maybe they won't, but it's good for me to say it.
EIEs won’t be dramatic if you don’t give us anything to flip out about :halo:
I love Taming of the Shrew and think Kate is ace, btw
You don't see Pertuchio sitting on his ass smugly laughing at EIE loosing her mind over changing the tire not obnoxious? Or trying to get a smile and a laugh, when clearly its not going to happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
I see it all as Fe suggestive stuff with lots of push pull dynamic. Some might say charming. Others might say non-committal.
ISTp do the same thing so you have to watch out which archetype you are seeing.
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I don't do that kind of stuff to ppl :shrug: I do light-hearted teasing in private. Pertuchio was basically gaslighting her. e_e I found the entire thing super cringe and don't see the appeal of the play tbh. Irl I avoid ppl like them tbh. I don't even understand how that relationship worked out lol effing weird shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by timber
Even in the case of Geralt and Yennefer reading the books, playing the game and now watching the series e_e I always thought Yen sucked as a person (insufferable) even tho she is a gr8 character. It is left up to the reader to interpret whether Geralt actually loves her or if he is just cursed with her due to the Jinn granting him his wish that saved Yen's life. Essentially Geralt & Yen are under a love spell. I'd rather be Bruxa bait then deal with Yen.
One thing I’ve noticed about EIE-LSI duality is how downright possessive we are of one another, and how unhappily LSIs take the entrance of another LSI into their space (they’re secretly just very grumpy cats!).
Every LSI I know gets basically glued to an EIE - with my best friend and I, everyone associates us together because that’s how we like it, but that in that way, he’s not going to jump ship to another EIE and it’s hard for me to attach to another LSI when he’s just there. Two LSIs together can very well end in an awkward standoff of “LSI-ness”, where they both just silently brood, but when an EIE comes around, LSIs dive for Fe as though it is their last dying drop of water, and vice versa with EIEs. When the LSI allows the EIE to do the future planning and the EIE allows the LSI to do the day-to-day stuff, things feel so seamless it’s unreal, sometimes.
Once you’re dualized, like I am with my best friend, it really is hard to make new friendships when the material for what the other needs is right there, which is something that I think is a particularly good indicator of duality. We complement each other so easily that there’s no real need for anyone but the two of us in a unit discussing things and just interacting, and even when you’re in a crowd with others, it’s easy to defer to a conversation with the LSI most of the time because why would you do otherwise?
Just a thought I had - I’m curious to see how that translates to dual experiences for you all.
I recently discovered I know two female EIE-Fe + male LSI-Se pairs, one which has been together for over a decade and the other for over two.
In sad irony, both marriages have weathered child loss due to autoimmune disease, and with every seemingly unbearable trial their bonds only appear to strengthen. I have never seen anything like the dynamic that dual couples have, where each draws strength from the other.
I have an LSI-Se friend. Our interactions basically consist of me taking the lead when it comes to occult and more "humanities" (psychology, sociology, etc.) topics, while he mostly takes the lead when these transform to more of the actual atmosphere (how the hermetic mental genders apply to everyday life and "swings" between each), stuff like some unspoken social hierarchies that he notes exist.
The things he basically likes the most about me is three things: How I actually expand on his points of view (like seeing some things on a different way, but in a way he still can see it himself) and also how he feels actually heard whenever we talk. Additionally, he pretty much feels "free" and "without fear" to speak whatever is in his mind when he's around me privately.
Also, honestly, he sometimes gives words and concrete terms to ideas that I have a hard time putting into words myself because, well, 1D Ti. :shifty::hide:
I'm so glad that video of The Witcher got posted in this thread because something Geralt said to Yennefer that really stuck to me was: "Every time I'm near you, I say more in five minutes than I've said in weeks. And I always regret it."
Has to be something that's said or at least felt between duals, right?
The secret to a successful LSI-EIE duality, which a lot of EIEs tend to not understand and therefore make some LSIs have a bad opinion of EIEs, is that you need to do one-on-one contact and connection as opposed to a group and make a talk show host-expert dynamic with them, hear them genuinely and expand upon their own points.Quote:
Originally Posted by noor
This means something that we are not used to: Fi ignoring. But since LSI has Fi role, this is another aspect of unconscious duality that compliment each other so we are able to place trust into them with the Fi we wouldn't use otherwise by giving them a proper relational distance. Basically: Listen to them and give them their space! I find EIE-LSI to be a way more "slow fire" duality, even compared to the rest of dualities out there.
Maturity is important for the development of duality, but I think EIE-LSI is the one that takes the most maturity from both sides to do and perform, but in turn also produces the most fruitful dynamic.
I've been pretty good at this, then again I've been raised in a household that heavily relies on self sufficiency and social caution. Have been in trouble a lot when I was way younger, though, I would try to be very close with just about anybody who talked to me, and does not understand the beauty of giving others space lol. But have gotten much better with this, I actually like speaking with people one on one.Quote:
The secret to a successful LSI-EIE duality, which a lot of EIEs tend to not understand and therefore make some LSIs have a bad opinion of EIEs, is that you need to do one-on-one contact and connection as opposed to a group and make a talk show host-expert dynamic with them, hear them genuinely and expand upon their own points.
You know, it's funny, because I had to actually stop talking to someone because of this exact reason. He required a shit ton of space, despite letting me know that I am a friend in his life, and it felt a bit too cold to be in that type of friendship. Well, that, and many other issues that ultimately lead me to believe that I could not have a good friendship with him, and I think he was actually SLI rather LSI, so maybe that did not helped one bit. No disrespect to anyone with either of those types.Quote:
Originally Posted by QamsX
How does the subtype play into this? I'm quite stuck between myself being Fe or Ni subtype, but I'd wager that the Ni subtypes feel more apt to giving people loads of space much more easily.
Too right. This is insightful and I thank you for your response!Quote:
Originally Posted by QamsX
Two descriptors that seem to be applicable to the ENFjs that I've met are: "overly" and "out there"; and most seemed to be ignoring certain obvious realities. Two descriptors that could be applied to the ISTjs that I've met are: "minimal" and "under the radar"; and most seemed rather preoccupied with facts. Combined, they make an average couple. :content:
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ok I haven't read the whole thread, so hopefully i don't repeat anything....
I'm gonna use the theory... and the one that makes sense to me in terms of +/-
*I'm assmuing the below is an example me focusing on TI+ suggestive (suggestible to socionics rules) and NI+ creative (playing out a potential senario)*
Not that an EIE is always gonna be doing this..... but anyway......disclaimers......
LSI prefer to focus mainly on TI+ which is creating rules/organisation..... EIE prefer to focus mainly on FE- which is minimising negative emotion
Each are suggestible to, and will follow the guidance of each others main focus
Most people are not TI+ suggestive, so LSI will annoy a lot of people with their strict rules .... they also pay low attention to FE-, so will also not realise that they might be upsetting people, a lot of the time....
EIE know how to keep the peace, but are very unorganised.....
In a perfect senario, EIE is hired by an LSI, and works for them.... LSI creates the rules, and EIE follows them.... LSI is happy that EIE is following the rules, and takes a liking to them....EIE is happy that LSI makes everything clear for them, and they know exactly what to do.... (EIE likes this/them) EIE can prevent LSI peeing off too many people, with their FE- focus, and LSI can makes sure that EIE doesnt become too unorganised, or covers it off for them...
Maybe not that exciting sounding, but it would be a good start....
Feel free to critique....
Also an EIE may well use FE+ some of the time (maximisise positive emotion) but I don't think that they will feel the need to be doing it all the time.... or prioritise it over FE-
Another disclaimer..... if anyone tries to start disturbing the peace on here (claiming to be LSI), in order to get an EIE to save the day.... just saying, that everyone knows what an internet troll is, so it might not work..... also don't expect EIE to be 'captain save-a-troll' :content:
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Originally Posted by rtht
I know a married, male LSI who hired a gay male EIE to work for him. The LSI seems grumpy and unhappy most of the time, except when he's talking to the EIE. Then, he's happy.
The EIEs than I've known were very organized and most relished creating structure out of chaos. They weren't as good good with the nitty-gritty of implementation and often needed a persnickety enforcer but they certainly knew where they were heading and generally how to get there. They're more peace-brokers while LSIs tend to be peacekeepers (maintainers of the status quo). LSIs didn't seem to like creating rules/organizations although I'm sure they can in a pinch but they're certainly able to thrive within them. Part of their duality is a common need for structure, each providing complementary aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtht
a.k.a. I/O
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Originally Posted by Adam Strange
@Adam Strange, good to hear man! I may have been working with an LSI girl very briefly before lock down, but don't know how that would have panned out at close range, as I've been WFH ever since, and am in a new job now, so no interesting info from me unfortunately...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebelondeck
@Rebelondeck, Yeah it's a tough one... There are multiple interpretations of socionics/typology out there, and everyone is using a different version.... I might read an interpretation, and then further interpret it myself to mean that i'm 'EIE' and then someone else might say, " no look, you're SEI according to this" and then I'll have to agree with them, because it looks like it fits...
I guess the best you can do is pick an interpretation that looks good enough for you, and then see how it plays out in real life.... and if it works for you, then that's all you need....
They make a great match. I’m way too calm for anyone except LSE and SLI to be honest
EIE-LSI be like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallas
Before:
EIE: "you're so amazing, I love you"
LSI: "..."
EIE: "say something nice"
LSI: "no"
Later:
LSI: "where you been bitch?"
EIE "I was just talking to this person but I mentioned you .."
LSI: "liar! I kill you!" *kills her
This thread is making me think betas belong in the garbage
Seriously though can an EIE or LSI describe a normal relationship that is relatable to normal human beings?
Most EIE-LSI relationships are pretty normal. Sure, there's the undercurrent of possessiveness from both parties, but it's never usually so bad that it's problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImOutThere
Take an LSI, just doing their thing. Filling their knowledge banks with information that could or could not be useful, absolutely enjoying spreadsheets or building things or just existing as they watch their favorite show or play their game. They like to tease other people by purposely saying things that are probably not socially appropriate just for the fun of the reaction. Suddenly....an EIE appears, and somehow, passion slowly enters the equation. LSI might say something completely inappropriate while the EIE hurriedly makes apologies as they try their best not to laugh and give the game away. EIE passionately rambles about the future or starts planning and LSI listens in a kind of quiet awe (or starts constructive criticism, which usually helps the EIE improve their vision to their relief).
LSIs are always the best people to go to for a crisis. For instance:
EIE: "OMG LSI I think my car is making weird noises. I think I messed it up somehow and it's been like two weeks and I'm not entirely sure WHAT I did. Help????"
LSI: "Okay, check the dash for this light, do you see it?"
EIE: "Yeah, I see it. What do I do? PLEASE tell me my car isn't going to explode or something, because could you imagine how much insurance I'd have to pay? (insert other rambling here) "
LSI: "Calm down. Okay, we can fix it like this. Go to the dealership and tell them you want them to check on your car. They should be able to see the problem and fix it there. You might have to pay them though."
EIE: "Oh, that's fine, I'd just rather not get blown up. So do I do that now?"
LSI: "Yeah."
EIE: "You're the best, you know that?"
(transcribed from a real conversation between me and my LSI best friend)
LSIs have a gift for simplifying things into easy concepts, to the point where my best friend literally has a catchphrase ("so do") when I whinge about stuff too much. LSIs are steady and constant, and EIEs are forward planning and emotionally hyperaware. That's what a normal EIE/LSI relationship is tbh.
I think I'm an LSI-Ti, and I really can't stand EIE... I would never want a marriage with one. EIE-Ni are horrible, they bother me with their emotions, latching on, monopolizing convos (SLE-ti and I have good flow in conversation) and it just looks inelegant. EIE-Fe are better about emotions, they're more reasonable and practical, not nearly as manipulative, but they're kind of boring (not as boring as EIE-Ni though).
I also don't appreciate the EIE-Ni's smugness and narcissism. EIE-Fe can be that way too, but despite being smarter than EIE-Ni, they actually think people are dumb less than EIE-Ni do. EIE-Ni are wrong about just about everything and they ignore way too much necessary information (they're one of the types least likely to make decisions on facts), they don't listen to their duals. Some of them I'd like to fuck in the anus, but other than that...
Really, I enjoy other logical types (except LSI-Ti, LII-Ti, ILE-Ne, LSE, and SLE-Se), ESI-Se, IEI-Ni, and SEE-Se the most.
Really, I enjoy ILE-Ti and Gammas the best. Gammas piss me off the least by far and they're pretty interesting.
Sorry for being so redundant.
I could never have a marriage until i die with an SLE-Ti or an ILE-Ti though because of my appearance. And some SLE-ti are pretty narcissistic, they're pretty narcisstic if they grew up rich or poor. The ones that don't go on power trips and who don't act like intellectual snobs are awesome though.