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Very introverted and IP-ish. You seem to be a specific variant of IEI-Ni that i've run into a few times before. Somehow not what i was expecting, but i think you fit the type well.
IEI>EII>SEI
@Sol
@summerprincess you look like @Aylen you are both IEI final
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...its/te_003.jpg
@Aylen -strain of IEI.
IEI fits
Kate Bush might be fi, at least she seems rational...
I'm not sure : ) i go between iei and fi-dom with her. Something bothers me with Fe creative for her, but really not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
I was thinking zooey deschanel, it was the initial 2 seconds. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
I think you're an fi Dom but I can't decide between esi and eii
Did you use sedative meds (or something with similar effect) in last 2 weeks? I see supressed emotionality and need to understand how much it relates to a type.
Would be useful if you'd try to check are Te or Ti bloggers examples give you more friendly sympathy.
She's Fe FeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sol
There are some facial similarities. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I am slower in speech and movement.
http://i.imgur.com/KsXyAMr.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bane
@Aylen you guys look and act so much alike it's uncanny :)
Yes I was on Lorazepam for a couple of months and am coming off it. Sedatives don't really suppress my emotions though, I just act 'slower' when I am on them. Pretty sure the extremely low dose I am on now (taking 0.25 mg every other day; a regular dose would be 1 mg/day) does not affect my behavior or affects it very marginally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
This changes your nonverbality, while it is used to type you and expected to be natural. The degree of the change is meaningful for nonverbal typing, or I'd did not notice this. Psychotropic meds (anxiolytics, antidepressants, ..) change the behavior, including nonverbal one.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
Nonverbal expressions become more flat, - lesser clear, lesser details can be seen. To type in such conditions is like to watch through a cloth or to hear through a wall.Quote:
I just act 'slower' when I am on them.
It's low to remove symptoms of target disorders, but may affect your nonverbal behavior. Also some time is needed to clean the body and maybe to return natural neurologic functions. The fact is I've noticed unnaturally supressed nonverbal behavior and you get med wich may do it.Quote:
extremely low dose
I think, the minimum gap between the last day of taking psychotropic meds and typing by video should be 2 weeks or more, - it's half of moon cycle when body makes kind of reset (twice per month). If you'll do new video in your normal psychic condition, it's better to create new theme or notice me by pm.
Meanwhile, you may try bloggers list to check what versions of your type fit better to IR theory. This step you may do without my help, as you should know IR theory.
Lol that does not make any sense. The half life of lorazepam is less than a day. The dose I am taking is so weak it is not prescribed as a normal dose; the only reason I am taking it is because I'm tapering off the drug. Even if my dose was 2 mg/day though, the lorazepam would still be out of my system completely w/i three days. Withdrawal symptoms can still happen but sedative effects from a drug that is out of the system? No. It would make more sense to say that I can make a video after 2 days of stopping the drug. Regardless, I personally am not experiencing sedative effects from the drug anymore esp at such a low dose. bc I built up a tolerance. Edit: It also might be helpful for me to add that I see where you are coming from and I acted pretty suppressed/wooden in the video because that is just how I tend to act (even when not on meds) when I'm not a) explicitly trying to be friendly to people, b) when im uncomfortable/in front of a camera. I could easily make another video where I act very happy and open but it would be just that, acting! I tend to look very serious when I am answering questions and talking to a camera naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
ESI? Definitely not; im not a sensing type.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaein
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Originally Posted by Sol
if you only listened
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I'd say IEI or EII. If IEI, then IEI-Ni....
Ni can give that remote quality you guys pinpointed. My best friend (an IEI) used to lean heavily on her Fe when we were kids and she was under intense social pressure. But over time, as she pursued her own course in life, her affect became increasingly soft and distant. She still gets more sparkly when interacting directly with people. If you had her make a video alone, with no one to talk to, it would probably be a lot like this one. She's also got anxiety, and the more it flares up, the more deadpan she seems -- almost like a physical counterreaction to her internal state.
Tl; dr: IEI works for summerprincess.
What does logical mean? using your brain to figure things out without letting too many emotions cloud your opinion; knowing what your emotions are knowing how to control them; when you're being serious about something so you don't want to become too emotional or emotionally involved; it's about being objective; using logic is using a theorem to answer questions; using a method to answer a question.
This was great way of explaining Logic. Now how do you see this as your PoLR and how would you see someone who is seeking it benefiting from logic.
Well, I'm permanently confused by everything, especially math and practical/pragmatic things such as fixing stuff, driving, putting things away correctly/in the right order, etc. Also this (the text below) is very true of me. I rely on an inner conceptuality of things for everything...I don't necessarily see it as reliable but it is how I come to instant conclusions that I can rethink later when I have the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
"They may feel threatened and vacillate if pressured into producing critical evaluations of factual information or statistics; they may feel as though they do not know what to do with this type of information, and often prefer to rely on their internal conceptual framework use their understanding of the relevant processes to evaluate a situation."
IEI.
I have seen IEIs studying math though. Probably not too common and probably not too thrilled. Right order and stuff: Well, I think body (Si) plays very important role here much more than logic. When you are truly logical person you can just see the steps and if you an N type then you tend to neglect your body in the process which leads to different applications of logic between sensing and intuitive types. (<-logic right there)
(As a logically creative person I can become a bit perplexed with very detailed mathematical analysis but there are LIIs... the need for depth in details. It is pretty funny how can I pull pretty accurate statistics out of my ass.)
Dictionaries exist to help us understand the meaning of words. If everyone made up their own meaning for every word, communication would be impossible. If you want to understand what logic means, get a dictionary.
Thanks?Quote:
Originally Posted by weirdleftovers
As for the bolded: don't Ethics egos know what their emotions are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I think definitely Fi ego, from how you communicate here you don't seem interested in affecting the emotional atmosphere, or you don't care how you affect it.
I don't always know what my emotions are. And sometimes when I do know what they are, I think I'm having the wrong ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I'm more readily attuned to other people's emotions and preoccupied with scanning the environment. My own emotional life is a jungle I struggle to hack through. There is too much going on there and too little clarity.
That's fine, I understand Fe base works like this but I really cannot see knowing what your emotions are as just part of logical reasoning. Labeling emotions in a logical manner is certainly possible but in certain areas this requires emotional awareness and ability to identify emotions first in a way that to me is Ethics and not Logic. Since those areas are very Ethics based anyway, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenbane
Yes to all of this and I'm Fe creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenbane
Sure, no one said Fe creative is extremely different or anything. I also recall talking to an IEI-Fe on this forum before (@Lim) who said something similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by epheme
You seem extroverted to me, although maybe that's sx.
I totally would believe beta NF, you really don't seem to care about Te or be good at it. A lot of what you say sounds practical, yet refreshingly not T-based (most women I know IRL are logical, so it's nice).
Not to derail but totally relate :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenbane
First person in the thread to say I seem extroverted, haha. What makes you say that? I tried to keep the most natural tone possible in the video (kinda comes off like flat affect), w/o trying to add extra friendliness because that takes effort for me. In public I often make a purposeful effort to seem nicer and more emotive. I was under the impression most extroverts were a lil more expressive lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lemontrees
This forum doesn't have much of an emotional atmosphere except for being full of introverted, cerebral, intuitive people. I have noticed a good amount of forum members can actually be directly rude to one anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
I just glanced at your video and I think you are somewhere between ESI and ESI-Fi. This surprised me because I always just assumed you were IEI.
This is just a first impression, though, and is based on a lot of micro-expressions. I also saw an IEI expression. I will take a closer look at this later today, and will give specific reasons for my wild-ass guess.
Cool. Esi descriptors resonate with me but I'm an intuitive and extremely messy and disorganizedQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Another one who thinks you as Fi leading type. While S type is doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
Maybe you overestimate this. Partly N type adds to. And other psychic factors, besides type, may affect this.Quote:
extremely messy and disorganized
You write reasonable messages, did good video with 1st try - this says that planning is not alien for you. You are not chaotic to say "extremely messy and disorganized".
Also @Sol I havent been on any medicines in over two weeks now did you seriously want me to make another video? Personally I don't think it's necessary.
Do another video but this time without blinking even once.
A mess in a room may be N related. While school.. I was "messy" in high school too, despite that made problems. Only later when things needed serious efforts I've found how planning allows to do them much easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
If now you feel naturally, without slowdown effect you mentioned above and other alien states, - then yes, new video is interesting as should to show your natural nonverbal behavior. 2 weeks is approximate time, if you have doubts your state is unnatural still in some way, then it's better to wait more.Quote:
Also @Sol I havent been on any medicines in over two weeks now did you seriously want me to make another video? Personally I don't think it's necessary.
but if p types are forced to have a schedule they eventually get burned out and stop following it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Was I blinking a lot in the video? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiver
They will be less effective or more exhausted by following J types style. Similarly as when you act in weak functions regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
I type you as EII. With 90% assurance.
You may look at your duals in my bloggers list.
I type you IEI 110%
EII are not good with decorating. They leave that to LSE. EII need more sensory support. LSE like to decorate based on the way they like so EII leave it up to them to create a comfortable environment while EII will perfect details like getting a matching candle or cleaning up and maintaining things.
She seems competitive and isn't a slave to rules or rigid methodologies. She hints at caring about the emotional atmosphere of a place. I think the video generally shows a preferance for beta quadra values. I think IEI is a good fit. I could see her hanging out with SLEs.
IEI very likely
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Originally Posted by Maritsa
Looks like Maritsa won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Joke aside I still think Fi valuing.
More helpful if you post own video.Quote:
You may look at your duals in my bloggers list.
I dont think she seems nice lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
I'm only nice to people who are nice to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
SameQuote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
IEI, just with very little Fe.
Lol, definitely not delta.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
Gandhi is a delta NF, and this is his philosophy of life, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world.", "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."
I'm going with either IEI or ESI for your type.
When I think about delta, I start thinking about a peacemaker, someone who believes in forgiving people who wronged him, someone who believes in setting an example for the world to follow, for example, if you want this world to be filled with love and peace, then you have to set an example by forgiving your enemies so that others can follow your footsteps.
Like I remembered watching this tv drama show awhile ago, the lead female character is an EII, and she got cheated on by her LSI husband with his ESE mistress. But the EII ended up forgiving him, and she even helped him to look for a job when he was fired by his job. This is pretty much how deltas are like, they forgive people who wronged them. And when the ESE mistress broke down in tears in front of the EII and asked for her forgiveness, the EII told the ESE mistress that she has forgiven her.
And the EII reasoning for forgiving that mistress is because she finds it scary to be a person filled with hate, she doesn't want to be a person who is filled with hate and anger, because if she is a person who is filled with hate, then she would end up having the exact same character as that ESE mistress, and she doesn't want this to happen. And she also wants to set a good example for her daughter to follow, she doesn't want her daughter to grow up being a person filled with hate and anger, she wants her daughter to grow up being a kind and loving and forgiving person, so she decide to set this example for her daughter to follow. So this is why she chose to forgive people who wronged her.
a lot of people type gandhi as IEI... citing a particular philosophy he developed (one which many spiritualists end up adopting) doesn't oust him from beta... not alone, anyway.
"an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" for instance could be seen as simply a true statement. it refers to the self-perpetuating cycle of vengeance which generally doesn't end. it refers to keeping anger from the past (even from hundreds of years ago) alive when it no longer applies (or should apply) to the present. so rather than forging a new productive path ahead, you just relive the past over and over. when caught in this, you are kind of spiritually dead.
Fi types are often more associated with grudge holding than Fe types too, fwiw. i don't know if i agree with that really, but i get it.
I highly doubt an Fi dom would do thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Soul
I'm like that. The more faithful I get the more I become selflessQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
Being ethical type you manipulate by emotions of others. To make others nice you should tend to be more emotionally nice with others than they are with you. Compared to T types, F types mostly look as charming people. Especially it's for types with same valued F variant.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
Maybe she'll follow the recommendation to make other clip. Then it will be easier to notice her natural emotionality, where Fi kind is more expressed than Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
On the current clip her emotions are so suppresed, that all ones to which I've shown the clip typed her to T types or stayed in doubt.
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Originally Posted by Ghost
Um depends on whether the Fi dom is a Gamma or Delta. A Delta type would be more forgiving, while a gamma type are more prone to holding grudges with people.
I'm pretty sure the lead female actress is an EII, she is always striving to deepen bonds and she treasures deep feelings of attachment.
She is always striving to be the perfect wife to her husband, and the perfect mother to her daughter. When she first found out that her husband cheated on her, she didn't yell at him, she didn't throw any tantrum at him. She suffered through the entire thing alone by herself, and then one day, she decide to go over to the mistress' workplace and without a single word slapped her and then return home. She didn't yell at the mistress for stealing her husband away, but instead, she just slapped her because she felt angry with the mistress for stealing away her husband and she couldn't control herself so she decides to go over her workplace and slap her. Then there is another time when she was in the hospital from a car accident and her husband went into the hospital room and forced her to sign the divorce papers, and this is when she broke down and start yelling that she doesn't want to sign the divorce papers.
She continues to hold tightly onto her marriage despite how it's actually time to let go. This is how much she treasures her deep feelings of attachment ----> Fi base
She is pretty much the epitome of how a Delta Fi lead looks like. The way she turn the other cheek to her enemies, the way she treasures deep feelings of attachment with people and how she clings tightly onto her relationships and always striving to deepen and harmonize bonds, the way she is tuned into the psychological atmosphere of interaction and also to her own feelings toward people and things.
EII protects and respects the feelings of other. For that reason EII cherishes people who offer their feelings and that's what makes EII easy to talk and confide in.
I’ll be basically offering my views on why you could preferentially be either IEI or ESI, since those seem to be the types in play.
I spent a couple of hours transcribing your video to text, and @Sol is right. A video is really useful in typing. Prior to that, I would have simply assumed you are IEI, because 1. you say you are, and no one knows you better than you, and 2. your avatar picture looks IEI to me. However, I got a very different impression from your video. I’ll break the video’s transcription down into four sections, each dealing with one set of the functions, each containing my impressions, with a summary at the end. Be forewarned; I am LIE, and I inadvertently often give the impression of being an insensitive asshole, because I suppress my feelings in favor of what I perceive as facts, so put your shields up and take this with a grain of salt.
Section I. Logic. Te and Ti.
Hi.
So, for this video, I’m just going to answer some questions I found on the site and, uh, hopefully they will provide a good way to, uh, guess my type in a more accurate manner than just, uh, you know, typing the answers to the questions out.
So, I’m just gonna look at them and answer some of them, not all of them, ‘cause if I answered all of them the video would be too long. And boring. So. I’m just going to read some of them out/ouch and just kind of answer from my, my train of thought and just speak/seek freely in general.
Now.
(Exhale) OK, the first question is: General to specific, specific to general, um, what does it mean?
Um.
Well.
General to specific would basically be me reasoning in a deductive manner, and specific-to-general is me reasoning in, in inductive manner. And that’s pretty much it.
>>>Not a lot of thought has been given to the field of logic as a whole.
Um.
What does Quote Logical Unquote mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view?
Yeah, I think, uh, being logical is using, uh, basically using your brain to figure things out without letting too many emotions cloud, um, cloud your opinion. Uh, ‘course we all have emotions and they all, uh, figure into our opinions, but being logical is just knowing what your emotions are, knowing how to control them, um, when you’re being serious about something. So you don’t want to become too dramatic, uuh, or too personally involved in something scientific, scientifically based, or something that you really wanna obtain objective viewpoint about. Being logical is about being objective, in general, is what I believe.
Uhm, Hmmmm, And also, uh, being logical, uh, I think also usually involves some kind of theorem or having some kind of set way of finding answers to your questions instead of just like shouting stuff out or, um, not using a specific method or methodology.
>>>The first reaction to a question on logic is to refer to emotions. Values F over T. “You really wanna obtain an objective viewpoint about” – Seeks T input - “Being logical is about being objective.” Values the objective Te form of thinking over the subjective Ti form.
Mmmmm.
How do you expa..explain fractions on the dial of a clock?
Umm, I don’t know. That’s a dumb question.
>>>I think your answer here is great. I’ve always believed that is a dumb question, too. :content:
Next question. What is a rule? Wra.. What rules do you have to follow?
OK, so, rules I think they depend rules are obviously, uh, congruence of society and, uh, if you work somewhere privately that’s a part of the private business interest of the owner. So, if you want to keep your job you have to follow its rules. Umm..but..some rules can easily be broken and you know it’s to your advantage. Like, if there’s a rule that I think is unjust, um, or just not necessary to the well-being of the environment, then I may be more, um, more apt to break it? But in general I don’t think I break every possible rule. Sometimes it’s more convenient for me to break some rules but (click) I try not to break like all the rules.
(Sigh.) OK, I’m going to enter some of the other questions from this other section, ‘cause I don’t want to just work with one section ‘cause it’s not going to give a cohesive narrative of me, basically.
>>>No great difference between IEI and ESI. You are expressing an LIE attitude when you talk about rule-breaking, but IEI’s think they are above the rules, so IEI’s can look like LIE’s in this respect. You did, however, start with the idea that rules should be followed for your own self-interest, if nothing else, and this could be ESI. Strat says that the essence of ESI is to rid the world of potential future troublemakers.
Um.
(clicks) Lemme see. Tryanta find an interesting one. OK.
You go to the store and see something you’re interested in buying. There is a price tag on it. What parameters are you going to use to understand if it is overpriced, underpriced, or priced correctly?
Um, basically, I’m just gonna compare it to other stores I’ve been to, Ah, to figure out if it’s the correct price, if I’m shopping, uh, at Whole Foods, I don’t wanna buy cheese that I’m going to compare the price for the cheese at Whole Foods to the price for the same cheese at Kroger or a different grocery store. And then I would figure out what is the more reasonably priced option, um, (claps hands) now.
>>>This question concerns Te efficiency. You got really excited at the thought of shopping, and this looks ESI to me. And your approach to the question about correct pricing has nothing to do with intrinsic value or market efficiency, it is rather about going out right now (claps hands - Se) and comparison shopping. I have read that ESI’s will spend a lot (burn $3 in gasoline) to save a little ($0.18 for less expensive cheese. Personally, I just go to a store that generally has what I need and buy whatever I need there. I don’t do much comparison shopping, because my time is worth more than what I can save.) I have seen that IEI’s are sensitive to price, too, but they either buy something of really high quality or do without.
Umm,
There is a professional right next to you. You always see that you can’t perform the way they do. Your feelings, thoughts and actions are:
Well, I knew my feelings would be jealsousy, umm, and competitiveness, uh, wanting to perform at a higher level to match them so that I can reach the expectations of my boss in general. (clicks) Yep.
Uhmmm.
When you have to ask someone else to help you with a task, how do you feel?
Um, I feel fine, unless I’ve asked them like fifty times before on that day, um, I’m generally OK with asking for help from people, umm, maybe this is because I’m young and female, I don’t know, but I’m OK with asking for help unless I feel that it’s overkill, in which case it might, uh, become embarrassing. (clicks)
>>>This is an interesting question, because it mixes Socionics with Enneagram. Your reaction to the question reveals jealousy and envy and shame (embarrassment), which is e4 (and that is indeed how you self-type), but you are quick to say you want to perform at a higher level, which I think is strong Se.
Most IEI’s are e4, and most ESI’s are e6 or e9. But there are exceptions to this correlation.
Section II. Sensing
Uhmm. Next. Set of questions. Uhmm. (Hums)
How do you cook? Do you follow recipes? Uh, What do others think of your skill?
(clicks) I like to cook. Um, if I don’t follow the recipe to the letter, mostly, then it usually comes out horrible, so I try to use all measure cups, use the exact measurements provided in the recipe, and if I do that, it is almost guaranteed to come out well. If I just go by my instincts, it is probably guaranteed to come out like crap, so for me, the best way to cook is by the book.
>>>I sat in a crepe restaurant for a couple years, watching an ESI and an IEI make crepes side-by-side to each other, and eating the results of their cooking. The IEI was more inventive and creative, and would respond to a failure by throwing it out and starting again without regrets, and the ESI would try to follow a recipe and would worry when it didn’t turn out perfectly. I asked the ESI who she thought was the better cook, and she said the IEI was more inventive, but often forgot to buy stuff they needed which took some things off the menu that day. The IEI said that the ESI was reliable but she needed to follow instructions.
Incidentally, I also cook by the book. When I have done this, it turns out OK. When I didn’t, I’ve had some major failures.
Uhmm, Are you good at color patterns and mixing them and matching?
Yes, I’m pretty good at, uh, decorating and I’ll try to do it. My own room is not well decorated. When I lived with roommates, my room was not decorated. I think if I did own a house and, um, you know, was going to live in there for a long time, then I would definitely put effort into the decorations, I would, uh, mix and match a lot more, I would spend more of my money to decorate in general. I love muted color schemes, um, rich colors, etcetera.
>>>I once hired an ESI-Fi to decorate my house, and she did an amazing job. So, when they say they are good at decorating, they are telling the truth. But IEI’s can also be good decorators. The difference is that IEI’s show their Ni, and ESI’s show their Se. This difference can also show up in their make-up. IEI’s have an ethereal look, like they are spirit creatures from another world, while ESI’s have a more solid and earthy look.
I know nothing about makeup (my LSI GF once vanished in a store and I found her in the make-up section, comparing some kind of body paint to her skin color, and I thought, WTF? She wears this?), but as I watched your video, I gradually became aware that you have violet shades around your eyes which complement your lipstick and somehow matches your fingernail polish, and the effect is subtle and striking and not ethereal. I would say it is more ESI than IEI, but that is a subjective opinion. I have also heard that ESI’s are artists, and their canvas is themselves, and it looks like you have put a considerable amount of effort into makeup.
This difference between IEI-mythical-ethereal and ESI-practical-earthy is also reflected in user names. I always thought “Summer Princess” was a strange user name for an IEI. Too Se sunny and visible. IEI user names tend toward Ni darkness and mystery, as in “Star-fall”, “Persephone Queen of the Underworld”, and “Sister of the Night”.
Section III. Ethics
(Hums, hums) Uh,
How do you improve the moral of the society?
Um, I think that morals are both culturally and individually based? I don’t think there is anything I can do improve people’s morals, other than be nice to them, uhh, or give them speeches. I don’t know.
Um,
Can you justify somebody's bad behavior by thinking that he or she wasn't taught how to do so?
I think generally, uh, yes, you can, it’s, its’s a cultural difference, um, or if somebody just is too young, like a child. I think if somebody is an adult, uh, with some intellectualism, uh, and knows how to do most things, you know, is not disabled, then no, it can’t be justified. But there are certain conditions in which it can be justified.
>>>This looks like an ESI manual for how to gracefully deal with LIE’s questionable ethics, rather than an IEI guide for dealing with intransigent SLE’s.
(Hums)
Is there a template of understanding what beautiful means for everyone to use? Is there such a term as "classical beauty"? Uhm, If so, what is it?
I think that beauty, uh, varies by culture, but you still also have the Golden Ratio, uh, mathematical frameworks for facial beauty, uhm, in general, evolutionary frameworks for, uh, the beauty estimating body measurements, however there are many, you know, variations of that. I think a lot of the time we don’t often consider how variable can be, uh, how dependent on one’s personality, one’s culture, uh, uhm, one’s standards in general, and other, uh, you know, factors, but there are definitely mathematical factors and biological factors that are, you know, proven to exist, and people sometimes will try to make themselves feel better by discounting those factors, and they definitely exist. They are proven factors in, uh, how to perceive beauty.
>>>This seems like an attempt to quantify something emotionally felt by means of logic. Fi-dom.
Mmm. Next. Ooohhh.
Shallow emotions – what does it mean? Are there any other emotions?
(clicks) Uhmm, Shallow emotions are expressed I think with small talk, uh, laughing for no reason, very small talk just to express a positive atmosphere. I think that’s a pretty shallow emotion, because you’re not laughing because something’s funny, you’re laughing because basically you have an instinct, um, to, to lighten the atmosphere, um, and to have like a camaraderie with the other person. Um, and also shallow emotions could just be you start crying for five seconds because you think something is really bad, Um, but it’s really not and you realize that right afterwards, and you stop crying and you stop thinking about it. Or, uh, it could just be self-centered emotions, um, (clicks), that you realize aren’t really hitting you to your core, but that you are more using them as a manipulative tool, which I do not tend to do, but others sometimes do.
>>>This answer, I think, is the one that most clearly places you in Gamma rather than Beta. The idea of shallow emotions being Fe is clearly Gamma. Betas tend to believe that the individual should go along with the group, and Gammas tend to believe that an individual’s rights must not be subject to transient group-think. Your emphasis on emotions either hitting you to your core (Fi), or using them as a manipulative tool (Fe) which you do not tend to do, clearly shows that you value Fi over Fe, but many of your friends do not.
Section IV. Intuition.
Hmmm.
Do you like surprises?
No, I hate surprises. Uhm, I think I have always have hated surprises. I don’t always plan many things, but I like to know what’s coming. I definitely hate surprises completely, a hundred percent hate them.
(Hums) Umm, OK, in this video is getting a little long, I’m gonna cut it short now, and yeah, that’s it.
>>>This answer is the second-most telling of ESI over IEI. A poor intuition of time indicates weak, not strong, Ni. Being fearful of the future is an ESI trademark, while an IEI can always simply adapt to whatever situation they find themselves in, confident that their flexibility will carry them through. An ESI wants certainty.
Incidentally, when I watched the video for the first time and I heard you read this question, by then I was pretty sure that you are ESI, and I immediately knew you would say that you hate surprises. Functionally, IEI’s are usually up for anything and don’t much care about changing their plans on a whim, but ESI’s need one clear option at a time for any future actions. They also want to know that a person has carefully considered all the parts of the proposed action, that nothing has been left out, and that they are sure it will work.
I would say, ESI e4.
Just to notice. Excluding me, on Russian forum 5 typed her as N type and only 1 to S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
How do you feel EII do this:
@Hermit Soul
How do you improve the moral of the society?
Um, I think that morals are both culturally and individually based? I don’t think there is anything I can do improve people’s morals, other than be nice to them, uhh, or give them speeches. I don’t know.
Um,
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Originally Posted by Adam Strange
No problem, @Sol. I have never been one to follow the crowd, just because I was out-voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
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Originally Posted by Maritsa
This is my opinion:
I think the EII would improve the moral of society by figuring out which of those morals matters to them most, and then from there, they start developing their own set of morals and they start hoping to use their own morals to influence and change the moral of the world. For example, this world has many people with warped up morals. There are murderers, rapists, conmen, abusers, terrorists etc.
The EII would first tune into their own feelings and see which one of these warped up morals triggers their emotions the most, and then the one that triggers their emotions most would become the cause they fight for.
The EII would then develop this into his/her own moral system. For example, if an EII hates people who steals, then the EII will make sure to develop this into his/her own moral system, the EII will make sure that he/she will never steal at all costs,even if the EII has to end up homeless on the streets, the EII would rather end up homeless than to steal money from others. The EII stays true to his/her own morals at all costs, and the EII continues to act in the background and continues to remain gentle and non-violent in his/her attempts to change the world, the EII would never use force on people such as making threats on people and making people fear them, but instead, the EII continues to live through his/her morals every day, and the EII hopes that this "gentle persuasion" of theirs would then influence the morals of the world around them and when people see how the EII acts they will start following the EII's example too and stop stealing.
So this is how the EII improve the moral of society:
By tuning into their own feelings first and finding out what makes them feel good/bad, and then they will use their own personal feelings to guide them in figuring out what their own morals are, and then they would start living through their own morals hoping to use their own morals to influence and change the morals of the world around them.
:) I think that EII start from immediate significant other and move outwardly. I would want the immediate moral, which reflects an ideal, for people to be in harmony with their family members. To make amends and let bygones be bygones. When that's all copacetic and worked out EII does work on morals based on their personal feelings about things, that's based on the matters which struck at them. For me me matters that have most meaning to me are living life with a limited carbon footprint so I'd be likely to advocate and write blogs on having natural and biodegradable soap. I'm bringing information to people but I'm also helping them help the world. Another personal moral would be coexistence and for this I may host mixed group camping for kids and preach to them. Preaching and informing to help people foster feelings of love and connectionQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Soul
Oh hey you made a video !
you kind of have a Gwenyth Paltrow thing going on : )
Oh god....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Btw - I have come to the conclusion that I am DEFINITELY INxx.
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Originally Posted by Maritsa
Wow, this is interesting. xD Yeah, I can definitely see an EII doing this. They would focus on their SO and immediate family and try to foster a perfect relationship with them first and then from there they slowly branch out to the entire world. And I like your blog idea and also the hosting group camping idea, sounds like a great idea, you should totally go for it and make it become a reality. Wish you all the best in making your dreams come true ^^
Not sure if you heard this song before, but I think you will like this song a lot. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6IBdHW_rY
I point to meaningful factor like the opinion of big majority of people. The more factors against your opinion, - the more chances you are wrong and more basis for additional thinking. After this thinking you may to follow the crowd, it's not so bad generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I can see how people think ESI, you VI a bit like them, but you VI most like typical beta NF. Well I guess either IEI-Fe or EIE-Fe, these types are closest related so i cannot decide yet. ESI as a third guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
@summerprincess which functions are you really good at and why
Please use the ones on Wikipedia
Haha really? She seems that uptight and try hard to you? Gwyneth is EII for sure. Summerprincess seems more zoned-out and out of fucks to me. Do you see her as rational?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Have you ever heard of the groupthink phenomenon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
I don't know she kind of looks like her, kind of talks like her. Its not really all that thought out just gut vibes, totally subjective, could be wrong, probably is. Gwen gets typed EII often, but if you have seen her act in Glee and signing and dancing....Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Yeah. In real life I want people to let go and move on but in Xena I wanted Callisto to be eternally pissed off at Xena for something she did yeaaaaars ago lol. Like seeing Callisto as an angel really broke my heart lol. Like demons can't forgive- they are 'stuck' on this plane that keeps them from moving on because of their inability- but there are a lot of little things I think we either choose to let go or hold onto and I'm not sure you can get rid of them all at once... maybe when you die.Quote:
it refers to the self-perpetuating cycle of vengeance which generally doesn't end. it refers to keeping anger from the past (even from hundreds of years ago) alive when it no longer applies (or should apply) to the present. so rather than forging a new productive path ahead, you just relive the past over and over. when caught in this, you are kind of spiritually dead.
Kate Bush is most likely EII-Fi or something,
and Gwyneth Paltrow seems to be SEI-Fe.
I understand conformism factor on forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Kate Bush - INFJ
Gwyneth Paltrow - INFP
Yes, where does summerprincess use Fe according to you? =) this will be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
Yes. Her facial expression is minimal in this video. I would also go with Fi ego based on her nonverbal communication in the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
@summerprincess You appear to be well spoken. Your video was enjoyable.
Her Fe shows up in annoyance in her tone and too many little nuances in attitude. I'm not like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by rougerogue
Just for the sake of conversation. Gwyneth is best friends with Chelsea Handler and Chelsea is often typed as being SLE. If Gwyneth was EII then that would mean two conflictors, in this instance, like to spend their free time together. It would make more sense if either Gwyn was not EII and perhaps something like IEI, or SEI to get along so well with Chelsea, or Gwyn is EII and Chelsea is not SLE. Either way something doesn't add up.
Cause why not.
Gwyneth Paltrow is an experience junkie, she's SEE
Kate Bush: EII 9w1 imo
Kate Bush has got 9 in her tritype for sure, but I think she could rather be 4w3, in the way she is trying to be all unique and different and stuff, but with a commercial edge. :p
I think she's sx9 and reminds me of Bjork, another unique 9. She just feels 9w1 - calm, sweetnes, serenity, no presence. Too sweet and innocent for a 4 - no darkness. There are many many people who try to be different in a way (3w4's, 5w4's, many 7's etc) and that doesn't make them a 4. Don't want to fight about Bush though, cause I find her sleep inducing ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by SisOfNight
Hm fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I think Björk is also a Type 4, but her tritype (479) makes her seem appear more sweet, also EII-Ne is rather childlike and that may add to that impression.
Not all Type 4s are always depressed and "dark", the really dark 4s are usually 468 tritype, the "soft" 4s are 479, and the in-between 4s are 471.
I agree on the tritype, but not the core (for both).Quote:
Originally Posted by SisOfNight
4s are depressed most of the time, yes. But it's not the only reason I dont think Björk is 4. She has a vibe around her that's not image focused. Or a great 'awareness' of it. And in this video, when she talks about singin is a way to "interract with her environment" (totally foreign to me because im not a gut type lol) it is very gut like and I think she's a 9w1 too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCN628VWkEI
Kate Bush is the same type. 947. Melanie Martinez is same tritype but 7 core, also sx/sp. =) Interesting stuff.
No she's some kind of a P type and she's very expressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by darya
Observations:
-When asked to define logic, slips into Fe language about behaviors (i.e. Ti is "not being emotional" or behaving in a certain way)
-pretty decent at giving logically ordered answers
-sort of a spacey vibe, soft voice
-talks very easily about emotions
-tries to be very serious, measured, and thoughtful, but I get the impression that maybe this kind of formality is not a default state?
-hates surprises - probably subdued Ne
It's just a short video but IEI seems good to me.
princess, you may look at guys with different types and compare them by your psychic comfort
in beta you may to be only EIE, while EII is much more possible
the example of EII reminding you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWmG935p6wA
IEI-Ni 4w3 so/sx
I don't think you're confrontational enough for sx/sp. IEI sx/sp 4 is a dark and aggressive four. the energy is laser-direct and intense. so/sx has a more diffusive energy.
Actually since this video I think I'm even more sx/sp. Would I think I was as a random person watching this video; I doubt it lol!! I have become more assertive as I've grown up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me