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sli? that is my initial idea.
I looked at your pictures, didn't read your questionnaire. (My bad. Other people who are better at this than I am will read it.)
You are very pretty. My first impression is ESI - IEI, maybe with a hint of EII.
Further examination and rumination has you drifting away from ESI and into the IEI camp of VI'ers. :) Plus, your husband looks SLE to me. I thought at first he could be LSE, but no.
im going to go ahead and say EII for you. LSE for your husband.
I can't open all the pictures
S type for sure. I have to think about SEE, SEI or SLI. You could be IEi.
Your husband looks like SLI and that's final
I get deterred a lot by things that interest me.
going to say same except ESE for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Contra
have you considered what intertype you're possibly in with him @Blue Bird?
Bet you he's SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeves
VI needs IRL contact or video. forget about acceptable typing by photos
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450
Hey Blue Bird. I have already given my opinion on your type before but wanted to say hi.
Funny how a fresh start gets a less confident response, eh? :D
For your husband, SEE and final. I would say the same for you but I'm not 100% sure. I don't think you are EII
favorites are 3-4 quadra. types' comments show 4 quadra as more possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Try, please, to sort 16 types from the most psychologically pleasant/comfortable for you to the least, based on examples.
Video is important, anyway. If the quality of the made clip is ok (looks as typical 480p) when you copy it to a computer (not after youtube), then you may upload it on some filehosting.
I am pretty sure she is your quadra. I also notice you have changed your usual tone in this response. You said, "please". You never asked me to do anything followed by a "please". If you had of you might have gotten a different reaction. Does this indicate you feel some kind of "sympathy", toward her, as you call it? Is that how you experience Fi? I am just trying to understand your ways. :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
EII?
for resume I'll wait for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Maybe ESI, or EII. You definitely seem like Fi base.
I think ESI
good IR give friendly liking, so it's closeQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
If your IR are such indeed, then it's clear 3-4 quadra, where by video I exclude irrational types of these quadras.
You prefer logical types, so your type should be ethical, - EII or ESI. These types are among possible in my impressions and by your behavior.
IR are closer to EII, but I'm not sure in this type.
When I'll finish updating of actors list, you'll can check your IR with it too. There should be more examples for ESTJ, ENTJ which bloggers list has very few.
EII
SEE final. You have that critical nature about people in you. You had a house keeper she never did this or that for you...
Extraverted sensing external statics of objects Se Socionics symbol Se.svg Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression. It is also the function of contact and apprehension of quailia (the internal and subjective component of sense perceptions, arising from stimulation of the senses by phenomena).
You describe the qualities of people. My grandma did this and that, her nails were painted red. You notice her will "she was strong willed"
You don't express Fi first, you don't have social rules like you didn't tell your grandma "that's wrong you shouldn't scream at me." You just know what you like and don't like but you use Se first
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by davez
Maybe in this month gamma and delta actors men examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
I watched part of your video, and I now strongly think you are EII. In your video, you certainly do not seem IEI. Your looks remind me a bit of my (Delta) LSE sister, but you are less demonstrative than she is in your actions and eye motions.
I've only met and identified two EII's irl, but you share one characteristic with them, and that is, you seem kind of invisible, or non-influencing, to me. This is a feeling (or a lack of feeling) that I get around Fi-doms. I usually have one clearly detectable reaction or another to most females, but with Fi-doms, there is no strong reaction. Just sort of a neutrality of feelings.
I stated earlier that I think you are very pretty. This is also an indicator that you could be EII, since I believe I am subconsciously oriented to be drawn to Fi-doms. (I saw a woman in a Panera's yesterday whom I thought might be ESI. She looked awkward and slightly confused (she was taking orders and running the cash register simultaneously) and, if I drew back and assessed her rationally, kind of weird, but to me, on an emotional level, she looked just right. I find this reaction in myself weird as hell, but undeniably true,)
P.S. I just watched the rest of your video, and you seem exactly like an EII whom I worked with for a while, Same eye movements, same expressions, same cadence of speech. While I was watching the video, I was thinking, "This person is very down-to-earth, very practical, is intelligent and would be reliable and is the opposite of dramatic."
Unlike some people here, I don't think you are ESI. For one thing, you seem too up-beat (positivist), and for another, I don't get a sense of wanting to protect you (FWIW). With ESI's, I want "more" of them. More time, more interactions. With EII's I respect and admire them, but I'm fine to see them when ever I happen to see them.
@Blue Bird
Over the past year and 1/2 I have read your posts. Taken note of your likes and dislikes and read how you respond to different situations in your life. Fi ego is kind of a given for me. I feel pretty confident today to offer my new opinion. I am adding a subtype, EII-Ne 459 (not necessarily in that order). My sister is that subtype and a 9. Your interests are very similar to hers and mine. You do not have the more expressive energy I see in Fe egos. I have shown people pics of my sister and me side by side. It is pretty obvious to see which one of us is Fi ego and which one is Fe ego, even though we look similar. Adam says you are kind of "invisible" to him. I think this is because your energy is more subdued in comparison to Se or Fe egos. Some EII-Ne can be quite vivid when they want to be though. It is strange and uncomfortable to sit and talk about yourself to a phone. Maybe not for more extroverted types. You are pretty much how I imagined you just based on pics and posts. :)
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Intuitive subtype Ne-INFj (Ne-EII)
Description by V. Meged and A. Ovcharov
Ne-EII Appearance:
The intuitive subtype is emotional, composed, and firm. Shows cordiality, goodwill, and friendliness toward people who are in his favor. Closing distance with a person tries to be somehow useful and of service. Likes to advise, to mentor, to educate others but only within his circle. Possesses figurative and imaginative thinking and creative abilities, can discuss various imagery, symbols, dreams. Sensitive, vulnerable, uncertain and erratic. Prone to taking offense despite his best attempts to hide this. Sometimes he likes to joke around in conversation. Tries not to say unpleasant things to people, but cannot always restrain himself and may burst out in disagreement or indignation, but comes to regret it later. Serious and fastidious, prefers to hold himself with some reserve and subtlety. Dresses simply, adhering to classical styles, often conservatively. His mimicry and gestures are weakly expressed. Speech is emotional and slightly inhibited; its tone is often didactic. Frequently has a disproportionate figure, often squat in physique and prone to corpulence. Gait may be a bit clumsy and waddling. <-- not the ones I know but, ok.
Ne-EII Character:
Seeks to understand the essence of various subjects and phenomena. Possesses strong associative and figurative thinking and the talent of foresight. Perceptive and insightful regarding the potential of various projects and people, aware of other's talents and abilities. Often displays an interest in problems that lie at the intersection of ethics and philosophy. Very curious, loves to read and to contemplate. He is constantly evaluating everything. Feels unsatisfied and frustrated with work that is monotonous and routine. Strives for self-cultivation. Defends his views on emotional basis, but tries to support his statements with facts. Distrustful, requires sufficient evidence to become convinced of the verity of his partner's statements.
Poorly tolerates loneliness, needs attention of people who are close with him. Appreciates sincerity, attention to his person, and tact; condemns discordant and abusive behavior. Quite principled; he believes that all-forgiveness corrupts those who deserve to be punished. May sometimes deliver a harsh rebuke for a person whom he thinks to be guilty, but usually wavers before doing so because he is afraid of spoiling his relations with other people and being unfair. Loves his family; he is ready for any sacrifices for them. Very fond of small children; though sometimes for educational purposes he is strict and uncompromising in their treatment. At times advocates for harsh measures and punishments.
Impressionable and emotionally sensitive. Feels truly satisfied with himself only if he could contribute by a deed. Tries to please others by performing a variety of services for them or giving presents, by being generous and unselfish. Helps people not sparing his time and efforts, meanwhile may forget about himself. Does not forgive betrayal and treachery; in such cases may irreversibly put an end to the relationship. Easily takes offense. Painfully and sensitively perceives the lack of volitional, push-through qualities in himself.
Takes on many tasks barely completing them on time, thus may postpone unpleasant or uninteresting work until later. Shows an interest in the objective side of affairs if he has a desire to become competent in pragmatic activities, in which case makes himself learn about procedures and regulations. Can be happy if he finds a proper application of his abilities.
A person of firm convictions - an idealist and a maximalist. Dreams of being in ideal harmony with his partner in tastes, beliefs, and passions, and becomes upset when this doesn't happen and disagreements arise. Due to his tendency to take everything close to heart, feels worried and agitated by slighted occasions. Prone to doubt, somewhat indecisive and diffident. Needs an optimistically oriented partner who can dispel his worries and uncertainties, be able to provide an evaluation of his work and actions, shield him from unnecessary tasks and people, and improve his mood. Has a keen sense of responsibility for others. Demanding of himself; educates others by his personal example. Tries to instill in other people consideration for human values. May have an interest in occult or religious and teach himself various divination techniques and interpretations of teachings.
His appearance is often very modest, dresses so as not to stand out. Attempts to look tidy and well-groomed, but investing effort and time into looking after his appearance feels like a burden for him. Often doesn't have much interest in jewelry. Critically evaluates his looks; negative remarks on this topic can deeply wound him. Receives compliments in the presence of others with confusion and distrust. Afraid of falling sick and becoming dependent on others, for this reason tries to improve his lifestyle.
Ne-EII Description by Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69: Feels people very well. Immediately feels who has similar views and opinions to him and who doesn't. Enjoys spending time in a small circle of like-minded people, discussing novelties in art and human sciences. Frequently appears somewhat unsure in himself and scattered. Gravitates towards social and humanitarian work, but can also work in service jobs. Realizes himself well in medicine and teaching. Able to reconcile those in a dispute and to mitigate intense situations. Creates a pleasant atmosphere in conversation and in his home. Dresses with taste, not seldom follows fashion.
I don't see any problems with EII, a lovely subtype
My word choice was poor. I should not have used the word "invisible", because I can see her very well. I more accurately should have said, Fi-doms don't awaken my attack or defense functions. They evoke no response at all from the ancient programs running in the background of my head that identify threats. It is as if Fi-doms "are not there", or are "under the radar" compared to most people, who do evoke a response and have to be dealt with in some way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
doesnt sound like dualsQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
or semi duals
No worries, I know you didn't mean it in a "bad" way. I was just saying it could be because EII have a more subtle presence sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I feel very protective of some of my duals. I can go into attack or bitch mode in their defense even though they hardly need it. I think they tend to find it amusing when I do. They are very protective of me too, generally. :D
I can also become "invisible" when I don't want to be seen. Very stealthy, hush hush, stuff...
Still undecided. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Don't trust anyone else on your enneatype unless theyre pretty much an expert.
I think you should trust that more than what anyone else has suggested. From what you told me, it would make the most sense for you. I think some people are so used to the idea that 4 will present as a certain stereotype: constantly miserable, envious, looking for a savior, emo or goth. They are not the only types who present themselves like that. From talking to other 4s I found out that they often hide a big part of themselves too and only allow a select few/group a glimpse into their inner world. It is a way to protect their self image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Maybe sx first 4s can be more self revealing than an sp first but even then it may be a controlled revelation. When I write something about myself in a moment of inspiration, I can feel very vulnerable and delete it right after because once it is out I can never take it back and I don't want to have to justify myself or my feelings. :D
They miss some things that are most important when trying to help others type themselves.
@Sol dont forget to send her lists. :)
I did it some time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by universe
What were the results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
IEI is doubtful. After about couple of weeks I may pm actors from alpha and beta quadras, if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
That's interesting. What i thought from the beginning. (ESI) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Your taste in art is closer to Se valued types.
I think you are IEI. Smaller chance EII
There was video with her to exclude IEI. But if you compare her with herself and taking into account your type is most probably EII, then your version can be understood as EII and ESI are among most possible for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerprincess
Fwiw I was typed FiNe by them too and I am absolutely not EIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Who typed you with high assurance to EII and by what video? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Persephone
The only video I saw with you was made by Aaron and it was terrible as instead of normal light (which was recommended you beforhand) it had significantly shadowed face. That made so much problem to type you that the only thing I was sure was F type, if I recall it correctly. While typing without video is not serious at all as ~half of used typing data is absent..
That people often have different opinions about types is not new. Average match is <20% ! Your own opinion about own type was said is LII what is wrong, taking into account your emotionality. When you type you do it similarly bad from pov of others, - you say wrong types, while having much better typing data than you gave about yourself.
Either you try to listen to what people say or at least read correctly or just stfu. I never typed myself as LII so I don't type anyone from this pov. The video has a couple of years before I knew about your miserable existence and recommendations. Get a glass of vodka and leave the forumites in peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
As Socionics has internal correlation <20% in average they can't be to much worse. Their EII and ESI are among possible, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
I believe when like 90% of the forum including myself think that I am IEI there is a higher chance of me being IEI than EII. Just probability-wise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
I would definitely type you FiNe based on this video, you don't seem Fe ego at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
I was typed NiTe in MBTI and nobody was forcing you to watch my lame video. Unless you did not get the purpose of it, it was a live interaction above all, I wasn't prepared, was unaware of questions, did not know there would be records and no I won't redo any other video on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
What a wonderful edit, thankyou. Good that at least you acknowledge you are messing up. Actually let me tell you an incredible secret, you are messing up like constantly.Quote:
I see I've messed 2 different situations - "cognitive types" site and typing on this forum, so this partly excuses your reaction. But if you gave them similar shit instead of good video, then your criticism is not appropriate.
Those recommendations are reasonable and could to make your miserable existence better, as you may incorrectly think about own type, what is not rare. Also having 20% average match and <50% between anyone, others from pov of anyone have low typing skills, so a single case when someone typed you wrongly means not much, similarly is with your opinion about own type. While EII version is partly correct to call it absolutely wrong.
Dude you have no clue about my ancestors so relax, I don't see what this has to do with any typing arguments with/for people and especially here in Bird's thread. Smoke weed if you don't like vodka, maybe it will get you a bit less rigid.Quote:
Stop to believe in Hithler's propaganda, the Hithler with whom your ancestors came with war to us (came more of them, than took part in so called "resistance") and have gotten nice collective graves here, near the graves of your idiotic ancestors which came 100 years befor with Napoleon. The reality is lesser important for you than worshiping to Hithler's ideas, but I notice you that I drunk vodka only 2 times in the life as prefer vine and get alcohol lesser than most frenchs, including probably you.
Until those forumites believe in bs, act unreasonable or need for help there are no reasons to "leave them in peace".
Hi Sol :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
How you doin?
I was thinking I help you understand Fi and Ni a bit more so why don't we work on it together. What do you say. I think it could benefit your typing skills in writing form a lot more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Based on alpha and beta your result is closer to EII, but contradictions are meaningful. This may mean the type other than E*I or the method works not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Between LSE vs LIE men bloggers which type you perceive as more personally comfort ?
Among males, you have general impression as personally more interesting and intruguing for: E or I, S or N, T or F types ?
The method has issues: IR normally work in IRL close informal contact, preferably when you know a human more than several minutes. Also some possibility for other type besides E*I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
May you notice pairs of types (by their dominant function) with most friendly liking and soul attraction for you?Quote:
Well I can say easily I prefer extroverts over introverts. Thinking over feeling, generally. I mean there are times when I like to talk to feeler types more. I guess both are interesting in their own way, but feeler types can get annoying to me sometimes.
Like you noticed more interest to E types, similarly you may approximate for other dichotomies. It's not needed to do soon, but is important to understand your own type. By using my typings or of someone else.Quote:
I don't know about S or N as much
Is there vertical order? So among 8 pairs you prefer Ti dominant pair (by the criterion above) on 2nd place among all 8 pairs, and Si dominant on 7th place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Quadras may be sorted. Between alpha and delta, gamma and beta is the difference in friendly liking.Quote:
But I was thinking (going by the blogger list), if I were to imagine the groups in the blogger list belonging to each quadra together occupying their own quadra house, and if I were standing in front of these four houses and had to choose which one I would stay at, I would gravitate to Alpha or Delta, and it would be an automatic reaction to not go to Beta or Gamma. I suppose it's because Alpha and Delta seem softer and more welcoming to me. Like something/ or some people I could live with.
The initial idea was to find pairs with same dominant function (ILE-IEE, SEI-SLI, etc), which give the "most friendly liking and soul attraction for you". To sort these 8 pairs, like previously was done with 16 types - would be even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
you also said that prefer ILI instead of SLIQuote:
Most of the SEE's seemed more serious to me which is why I prefer them to the IEE's, but I would be more comfortable to be in the same vicinity as the IEE's, probably.
Se has philosophy of fight. They are not just materialistic. For Se valued what they have is _also_ a "medal", a symbol of win in life (eugenics) and symbol of blessing from High power (God, for example). To get it they could do anything, expressing all their best traits, including spiritual.Quote:
Because I don't think life is about what you own or how much you have.
Duals (and close) give most friendly liking and soul attraction (of opposite sex, especially). Generally they should not be perceived as boring. They harmonize and inspire your spirit during IRL communication, - you feel good, they are pleasant, trusty and easy to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Bird
Dominant functions types pairs by most of this criterion were interesting.
Infj