VI me? (video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdWlRPCaDbA

And my old 80q if more information is needed. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...eath-(Chakram)

Hi,
my guess is ENFx. :)

I'm not sure if this will matter for VI and such, but I've recently realized that I don't really like Si, when people talk about Si things (internal sensations, comfort, those things) it's pretty annoying.

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I'm not sure if this will matter for VI and such, but I've recently realized that I don't really like Si, when people talk about Si things (internal sensations, comfort, those things) it's pretty annoying.

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The types that are Si PoLR are LIE and EIE, of course. I watched your video, and you probably are not LIE. Your face is much too expressive to be LIE. Some of your moves/expressions remind me of a male ESI friend of mine, but if you are EIE, maybe I'm seeing some kind of ethical thing.
I only know two EIE's irl, and I've only interacted with one of them in the past five years, but you do seem to be a bit like him, both in the cadence of your speech and the topics you talked about.

I have heard that EIE's are initially nervous in new social situations, but quickly master them. The EIE who was dating my sister did exactly that when he met our parents. He was obviously nervous, but came off as a really good guy.

You might also get a better idea of your type by asking which are the types you find attractive.

ni infp could be very well be it - seeing some Ni in the video

INTp?
I don't see any Fi;

you're sensitive to noise so maybe you are aware of your internal sensations hum. "If everybody didn't vote, what would be the point?" I sense some internal thought going on but not willing to share maybe. I sense some Ni going on in terms of evolution of this event.

I would say INTp because you said you want to climb Mt Everest. I feel like you want to expand on your energy, but you're practical too, kind of pragmatic, you state how much it would cost.

logical
LII maybe
Yeah i think LII. Your eyes look like my classmate who is LII

intx (maaaaybe LII, not sure). Lol at enfx typings.

Watched more, ILI imo

Interesting divide here, I have generally thought that logical fits me better, but I could be biased. I also tend to be pretty indecisive though, not sure if that fits with logical types, but maybe that's because of irrational.

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Interesting divide here, I have generally thought that logical fits me better, but I could be biased. I also tend to be pretty indecisive though, not sure if that fits with logical types.

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I've never met an indecisive ILI. LIE's tend to converge on a single answer fairly quickly, too. LII's give the situation a fair assessment, and then converge to a solution. ILE's sometimes never converge to a single solution, but they basically think most people are idiots. None of these types look as friendly as you do.

However, the EIE's I know appear fairly logical and also resist coming to a conclusion.

One is a pilot, he gave me a ride in his Aztec, and watching him do the pre-flight checks was quite impressive. He changed planes regularly, as his ideas for making money with them also changed regularly. He had a job (salesman, I think) to support his airplane habit.

The other EIE wanted to build and sell a carbon fiber-based stringed instrument, just strings and a board, I can't remember it's name. It took a lot of know-how from him (Logical) and cash from his LSE father to burn through many prototypes without ever making a salable item (Indecisive). (I watched him build one and stomp on it til it broke to test it's breaking point.) His greatest strength was using ethical arguments to convince his mother to pressure his father into funding this adventure, much to his father's lasting resentment. He is extremely adventurous and imaginative, and has a very hard time turning his dreams into reality. He eventually married an LSI who is extremely practical and supportive, and they are happy.

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I've never met an indecisive ILI. LIE's tend to converge on a single answer fairly quickly, too. LII's give the situation a fair assessment, and then converge to a solution. ILE's sometimes never converge to a single solution, but they basically think most people are idiots. None of these types look as friendly as you do.

However, the EIE's I know appear fairly logical and also resist coming to a conclusion.

One is a pilot, he gave me a ride in his Aztec, and watching him do the pre-flight checks was quite impressive. He changed planes regularly, as his ideas for making money with them also changed regularly. He had a job (salesman, I think) to support his airplane habit.

The other EIE wanted to build and sell a carbon fiber-based stringed instrument, just strings and a board, I can't remember it's name. It took a lot of know-how from him (Logical) and cash from his LSE father to burn through many prototypes without ever making a salable item (Indecisive). (I watched him build one and stomp on it til it broke to test it's breaking point.) His greatest strength was using ethical arguments to convince his mother to pressure his father into funding this adventure, much to his father's lasting resentment. He is extremely adventurous and imaginative, and has a very hard time turning his dreams into reality. He eventually married an LSI who is extremely practical and supportive, and they are happy.

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Yea I want to come to solutions most of the time but it's usually a difficult thing to attain because I'll just re-open it later. Which is why when I got typed as LIE, it seemed a bit strange and I never really accepted it even though the person was very firm in the decision. So you think EIE? Any other possibilities?

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I've never met an indecisive ILI. LIE's tend to converge on a single answer fairly quickly, too. LII's give the situation a fair assessment, and then converge to a solution. ILE's sometimes never converge to a single solution, but they basically think most people are idiots. None of these types look as friendly as you do.

However, the EIE's I know appear fairly logical and also resist coming to a conclusion.

One is a pilot, he gave me a ride in his Aztec, and watching him do the pre-flight checks was quite impressive. He changed planes regularly, as his ideas for making money with them also changed regularly. He had a job (salesman, I think) to support his airplane habit.

The other EIE wanted to build and sell a carbon fiber-based stringed instrument, just strings and a board, I can't remember it's name. It took a lot of know-how from him (Logical) and cash from his LSE father to burn through many prototypes without ever making a salable item (Indecisive). (I watched him build one and stomp on it til it broke to test it's breaking point.) His greatest strength was using ethical arguments to convince his mother to pressure his father into funding this adventure, much to his father's lasting resentment. He is extremely adventurous and imaginative, and has a very hard time turning his dreams into reality. He eventually married an LSI who is extremely practical and supportive, and they are happy.

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Inverse objective logic Te (-). Loss of values, money. Infringement of the order. Natural disasters. Traffic jams. “Facts are the objective reality.” Numbers, statistics. Loss of territory. Car breakage; TV, home appliance breakage. Dirt in the hall on the carpet.

That's a type confirmation for you ;)

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Yea I want to come to solutions most of the time but it's usually a difficult thing to attain because I'll just re-open it later. Which is why when I got typed as LIE, it seemed a bit strange and I never really accepted it even though the person was very firm in the decision. So you think EIE? Any other possibilities?

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Well, the technical term for my thoughts on you being an EIE is Wild-Ass Guess, since I'm not that great at typing people. I just have correlation biases. I get worse, the farther from my experience and my own Gamma Quadra a type is. The types I feel fairly confident about are Gammas LIE, ILI, ESI, and to a lesser extent SEE, Deltas LSE, SLI, IEE, and to a lesser extent EII, Beta IEI, LSI, SLE, and to a lesser extent EIE. Alpha, LII, SEI sometimes and ILE sometimes. I have no idea what an ESE looks like.

There are lots of other possibilities with respect to your type. The fact that you are looking for them points toward EIE.
There is a woman on the forum named Spider who, in my opinion, is an EIE, and she refused to settle on a type. :)

Why not take a socionics test, like this one: https://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/th...rsonality-test
Unfortunately, it is pretty easy to game, if you know what they are asking for.
Here is another one: http://www.sociotype.com/tests/

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Well, the technical term for my thoughts on you being an EIE is Wild-Ass Guess, since I'm not that great at typing people.

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He seems to be not easy case for me too, as I get contradictory impressions.

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He seems to be not easy case for me too, as I get contradictory impressions.

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I get those of myself as well.

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He seems to be not easy case for me too, as I get contradictory impressions.

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as with me <3

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as with me <3

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for you F type was relatively clear. with him seems to be funnier

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for you F type was relatively clear. with him seems to be funnier

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I agree in text he comes off less T than on video

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I'm not sure if this will matter for VI and such, but I've recently realized that I don't really like Si, when people talk about Si things (internal sensations, comfort, those things) it's pretty annoying.

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You just said that loud noises were annoying to you..that's internal sensory discomfort.

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You just said that loud noises were annoying to you..that's internal sensory discomfort.

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Misophonia. I don't think that's type related, I can recall the thing that I believe caused it to start as well. That thing was with regards to social conventions.

you're definitely the same type as this guy i worked with last summer. Unfortunately, i didn't get to know him well enough to type him. I was thinking EJ for him and maybe Delta or Alpha but that's as good of an approximation i could make. Beta of course would still be possible.

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Misophonia. I don't think that's type related, I can recall the thing that I believe caused it to start as well. That thing was with regards to social conventions.

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This is a good simplification of the functions. Would you please read them.and comment on which you use?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics

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This is a good simplification of the functions. Would you please read them.and comment on which you use?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics

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From this, I would say in no particular order:
Ti/Te can't really decide which more
Fe
Ni>Ne
Se

mb ENTP

I can hardly believe it myself but it looks like my first guess was right! ENFx; more precisely now: EIE.

do you know your enneagram type?

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I can hardly believe it myself but it looks like my first guess was right! ENFx; more precisely now: EIE.

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why are you saying you're right?

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do you know your enneagram type?

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I usually score highest on type 5, and can agree with most of the basics of that type, but I can also identify with type 8 basic fears. I haven't really delved into the enneagram though.

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I can hardly believe it myself but it looks like my first guess was right! ENFx; more precisely now: EIE.

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Perhaps lol

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why are you saying you're right?

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It corresponds well with this:

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From this, I would say in no particular order:
Ti/Te can't really decide which more
Fe
Ni>Ne
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do you find logical stuff hard like do you need help with math etc or does it come very easy to you? and what kinds of people are you attracted to?

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do you find logical stuff hard like do you need help with math etc or does it come very easy to you? and what kinds of people are you attracted to?

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When I was younger math was a bit harder for me. Now though, I've gotten much better at it and am at the top of my class in math in college, just college algebra though, haven't gotten to the higher maths yet. As long as I can have a good explanation of the underlying causes for the math I can generally pick up on it quickly. As for the kind of people I'm attracted to, I like people that are pretty straightforward, strong and know what they want, but also aren't by the books actually, I think I tend to be attracted more to dainty women, the girly girls I guess. Don't take that as all encompassing though.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdWlRPCaDbA

And my old 80q if more information is needed. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...eath-(Chakram)

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Aww, someone I could totally hang out with type. :content:

Not sure if you are shy or nervous. I am still watching but some of your answers are very similar to mine BUT you also say some things that reminded me of my ILI stepdad. He used to pay my cousins to throw out their gum. He HATED the sound and said they were, "like cows chewing cud". I had my IEI brother watching with me and when you mentioned the gum he said, "bro-fist" and touched my screen with the gesture. I see some Fe but not enough to be your base function. I don't think it is your polr.

You seem clearly introverted to me and obvious valuing Ni > Ne.

I might say ILI but you aren't as stoic as the ones I have known. Not that all will be so stoic. I would not rule out IEI at all by the video. I am going with a quick first impression of Ni base function, bit too warm for ILI. hahah

Edit: Do you actually see yourself as an extrovert? I mean you value privacy and the EIE I know personally do not rank privacy high on their list of values. I posted an introvert/extrovert test recently in psychology. If you are unsure of what you are, then maybe the test will help. I think it is a good one. Sometimes when people are unsure they are more of an ambivert. I can be a situational ambivert but my orientation is introvert by nature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDubaaZWtH4

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...roversion-Test

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Aww, someone I could totally hang out with type. :content:

Not sure if you are shy or nervous. I am still watching but some of your answers are very similar to mine BUT you also say some things that reminded me of my ILI stepdad. He used to pay my cousins to throw out their gum. He HATED the sound and said they were, "like cows chewing cud". I had my IEI brother watching with me and when you mentioned the gum he said, "bro-fist" and touched my screen with the gesture. I see some Fe but not enough to be your base function. I don't think it is your polr.

You seem clearly introverted to me and obvious valuing Ni > Ne.

I might say ILI but you aren't as stoic as the ones I have known. Not that all will be so stoic. I would not rule out IEI at all by the video. I am going with a quick first impression of Ni base function, bit too warm for ILI. hahah

Edit: Do you actually see yourself as an extrovert? I mean you value privacy and the EIE I know personally do not rank privacy high on their list of values. I posted an introvert/extrovert test recently in psychology. If you are unsure if of what you are, then maybe the test will help. I think it is a good one. Sometimes when people are unsure they are more of an ambivert. I can be a situational ambivert but my orientation is introvert by nature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDubaaZWtH4

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I'm definitely a bit socially awkward at first, tending to be quiet until I know people better, getting to know them can be quick or slow, it depends on the person, as I'm sure it does for almost everyone.
In the traditional sense of the word, I would say I'm much more introverted.

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he reminds me of the LII in your list

I'm more interested in your enneagram. Are you always this jittery? Not being mean or funny, but your energy--even through the video--unsettles the 9 in me.

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Interesting divide here, I have generally thought that logical fits me better, but I could be biased. I also tend to be pretty indecisive though, not sure if that fits with logical types, but maybe that's because of irrational.

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Well when you say "interesting divide" seems to observe Ti, don't you think or does that too have association with a complex? Lol

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Well when you say "interesting divide" seems to observe Ti, don't you think or does that too have association with a complex? Lol

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I have no idea, so do you still think ili?

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I'm more interested in your enneagram. Are you always this jittery? Not being mean or funny, but your energy--even through the video--unsettles the 9 in me.

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Not normally, type 5 more than likely

@Aylen you are iei right? How did you know that you were? If you don't mind me asking.

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I have no idea, so do you still think ili?



Not normally, type 5 more than likely

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Yeah you could be five. Or, you feel liek a withdrawn type so 4,5,9. About your socionics type sometimes it feels like you seek reassurance from a T type. Like you wont say aything for sure. "im not sure about it", "likely type 5" etc but idk your type is hard.
Introverted imo

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Yeah you could be five. Or, you feel liek a withdrawn type so 4,5,9. About your socionics type sometimes it feels like you seek reassurance from a T type. Like you wont say aything for sure. "im not sure about it", "likely type 5" etc but idk your type is hard.
Introverted imo

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Yea definitely a withdrawn type, I go with 5 because I can't identify with the 9 basics. I do seem to seek outside reassurance and am very unsure of setting my opinions in stone, sadly.

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@Aylen you are iei right? How did you know that you were? If you don't mind me asking.

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Many years of introspection back when all I knew was that I was an enneagram 4 and my intuition was introverted. By the time I got to socionics and read just a little bit I was so sure of my type that I didn't care to hear other's opinions. I think my typing thread was one of the most short lived on this forum. Not sure if I have those bragging rights but I am claiming them until someone proves me wrong. :oops:

My only real confusion was due to the j/p thingy. I had always self typed by cognitive functions in MBTI so I assumed I would be INFj in socionics but it didn't match up to my knowledge of self although I could relate to both descriptions of INFJ/P in MBTI. I could not relate to the EII descriptions. The whole function stack was off and not how I experience them. When I read IEI it was a given that that was my best fit.

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Many years of introspection back when all I knew was that I was an enneagram 4 and my intuition was introverted. By the time I got to socionics and read just a little bit I was so sure of my type that I didn't care to hear other's opinions. I think my typing thread was one of the most short lived on this forum. Not sure if I have those bragging rights but I am claiming them until someone proves me wrong. :oops:

My only real confusion was due to the j/p thingy. I had always self typed by cognitive functions in MBTI so I assumed I would be INFj in socionics but it didn't match up to my knowledge of self although I could relate to both descriptions of INFJ/P in MBTI. I could not relate to the EII descriptions. The whole function stack was off and not how I experience them. When I read IEI it was a given that that was my best fit.

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That sounds like it was easy lol, I guess years is quite a while though.

I can see Ni base for myself, not sure if it's weird that when I was doing the MBTI cognitive functions I always thought I was Ti dom. A lot of the IEI male descriptions sound good but I can't say I'm that sensitive, perhaps brought on from life experiences. Are you kind of a chameleon? lol

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That sounds like it was easy lol, I guess years is quite a while though.

I can see Ni base for myself, not sure if it's weird that when I was doing the MBTI cognitive functions I always thought I was Ti dom. A lot of the IEI male descriptions sound good but I can't say I'm that sensitive, perhaps brought on from life experiences. Are you kind of a chameleon? lol

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:yup:

I vibe with the lizard people! :lol:

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I vibe with the lizard people! :lol:

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Queen of the lizards, frogs and bugs

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Queen of the lizards, frogs and bugs

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Only bugs allowed are, dragonflies, butterflies, ladybugs, scarabs and spiders. The rest are unwelcome! XD

*hates worms*

*I may have left a bug out of what is acceptable to me but I don't think so. Lizards and frogs are cute.

Edit:! Fireflies, how could I forget the fireflies. :shock:

Nth-ed that you come across as nervous. :content: What do you think of Ne as an IE, out of curiosity?

[derail]

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Many years of introspection back when all I knew was that I was an enneagram 4 and my intuition was introverted. By the time I got to socionics and read just a little bit I was so sure of my type that I didn't care to hear other's opinions. I think my typing thread was one of the most short lived on this forum. Not sure if I have those bragging rights but I am claiming them until someone proves me wrong. :oops:

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My typing thread was 7 posts.* Fight me :biggrin:

*I continued thinking about things afterwards, just not in threads.

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I have no idea, so do you still think ili?



Not normally, type 5 more than likely

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Nth-ed that you come across as nervous. :content: What do you think of Ne as an IE, out of curiosity?

[derail]



My typing thread was 7 posts.* Fight me :biggrin:

*I continued thinking about things afterwards, just not in threads.

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It's ok, it can be useful sometimes for certain activities, new possibilities(that might not be relative seeming, but end up being so) are good to consider occasionally. Sometimes it is useless, but everything can be.

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I fail to see how that would help lol

So what do you think @GuavaDrunk ?

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Yea definitely a withdrawn type, I go with 5 because I can't identify with the 9 basics. I do seem to seek outside reassurance and am very unsure of setting my opinions in stone, sadly.

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That's more like 6w5 than a 5. The ILI 5s don't search for outside reassurance.

6 is an attachment type :: seeks reassurance, negotiation with others, balance of viewpoints (integration to 9).
5 is competence type :: seeks validation of their knowledge and competence, or correction with information they didn't take into account if they are wrong.
Fives are thus more self-sufficient. 6w5s may mistake their five wing for main type but absence of 5-ness shows.

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That's more like 6w5 than a 5. The ILI 5s don't search for outside reassurance.

6 is an attachment type :: seeks reassurance, negotiation with others, balance of viewpoints (integration to 9).
5 is competence type :: seeks validation of their knowledge and competence, or correction with information they didn't take into account if they are wrong.
Fives are thus more self-sufficient. 6w5s may mistake their five wing for main type but absence of 5-ness shows.

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Yes I haven't researched enneagram much. My main concern currently is trying to figure out my socionics type, then perhaps more enneagram since they are intertwined to an extent, are you thinking ILI?

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Yes I haven't researched enneagram much. My main concern currently is trying to figure out my socionics type, then perhaps more enneagram since they are intertwined to an extent, are you thinking ILI?

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I wasn't thinking of any type. You do sound intuitive in how you make these assumptive associations that have no direct basis.

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I wasn't thinking of any type. You do sound intuitive in how you make these assumptive associations that have no direct basis.

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Which assumptive associations, that I thought you were thinking ILI? That's because you said this "The ILI 5s don't search for outside reassurance."
Or on enneagram type, which I haven't looked into much?

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Which assumptive associations, that I thought you were thinking ILI? That's because you said this "The ILI 5s don't search for outside reassurance."
Or on enneagram type, which I haven't looked into much?

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Which is exactly the assumptive association that sensing types are very careful to make.
I haven't typed you as ILI. Yet you made this leap in your mind "you were thinking ILI" that was never actually made.

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So what do you think @GuavaDrunk ?

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Nothing specific atm, but I strongly second looking into e6 whenever you get to enneagram.

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Nothing specific atm, but I strongly second looking into e6 whenever you get to enneagram.

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I will and if you get any ideas, I would gladly hear them.

Ok so quick question for anyone, is it normal for an IEI to seem like a logical type? Whenever I ask the people who know me pretty well to pick out information elements for me, just having them read the elements and stuff, they normally pick Ti and/or Te, and either Ni or Ne. Granted these people don't know much about socionics other than what I've given them to read. I know you guys think I seem pretty friendly from the video, and for the most part I think I am, I'm definitely not like that all the time though. Anyways I think irrational seems very likely for me though.

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Ok so quick question for anyone, is it normal for an IEI to seem like a logical type?

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Actually yes, a lot of them type themselves as Ti egos when they first learn of mbti or socionics, especially the Ni subs. They tend to have accentuated Ti and can have a relatively cold demeanor.

This myth comes from MBTI where some idiot once got the idea that INFJs are the smartest most logical ethical type. Of course this is all bs and there's no basis for it.

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Based on what others have told you, do you seem like a logical type?

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Based on what others have told you, do you seem like a logical type?

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No, the only ones that have thought I'm logical are people that dont have a lot of knowledge about socionics.

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Based on what others have told you, do you seem like a logical type?

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she's an IEE so that question doesn't apply

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This myth comes from MBTI where some idiot once got the idea that INFJs are the smartest most logical ethical type. Of course this is all bs and there's no basis for it.

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or you could just meet a few IEI-Nis and learn that you are wrong

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Actually yes, a lot of them type themselves as Ti egos when they first learn of mbti or socionics, especially the Ni subs. They tend to have accentuated Ti and can have a relatively cold demeanor.

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That is interesting, I had typed myself as a Ti base when first getting into it and was fairly convinced of that for a while, only recently realizing this might be wrong with the input of other people.
Of course some of those inputs also agreed on the Ti ego lol.

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Why would IEI-Nis be any better at Ti than any other type that has 2D valued Ti? It simply makes no sense.

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she's an IEE so that question doesn't apply

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I am not, but if I was an IEE, IEE also has 2D valued Te so according to your logic, they would also seem more logical. But you don't think this because you're not too smart are you? ;)

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It's ok, it can be useful sometimes for certain activities, new possibilities(that might not be relative seeming, but end up being so) are good to consider occasionally. Sometimes it is useless, but everything can be.



I fail to see how that would help lol

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That is interesting, I had typed myself as a Ti base when first getting into it and was fairly convinced of that for a while, only recently realizing this might be wrong with the input of other people.
Of course some of those inputs also agreed on the Ti ego lol.

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There have been some discussions on this 'phenomenon' before - that an especially pronounced hidden agenda may be mistaken for base or even some permutation of creative function. For some IEIs on this forum this meant trying to type themselves as either INTp or INTj to the point that there was an entire discussion posted about this in the early days of this forum: IEI: hybrid type of INTj and INTp. This was most pronounced with the far-side Ni-subtype IEIs whose creative Fe was so strongly suppressed by their base function that they turn into a 'rolling ball' of Ni-Ti and at cursory glance could seem logical.

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Originally Posted by universe

Why would IEI-Nis be any better at Ti than any other type that has 2D valued Ti? It simply makes no sense.

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I didn't say stronger, I said accentuated-- meaning it's of stronger focus to the person. They seem more analytical and less expressive. I don't believe the theory can really account for these types of deviations but it's been a pretty widely known idea that being dominant subtype leads to accentuation of the mobilizing. There are several IEI-Nis on the forum that demonstrate this pretty well.

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Originally Posted by universe

I am not, but if I was an IEE, IEE also has 2D valued Te so according to your logic, they would also seem more logical. But you don't think this because you're not too smart are you? ;)

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yeah... Maybe if you were IEE-Ne. You obviously missed that part.

Edit: and I specifically said this was notable with IEIs, not IEEs (though one could argue it is)

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Originally Posted by Contra

yeah... Maybe if you were IEE-Ne. You obviously missed that part.

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I dont believe that subtypes makes a huge difference, or that they even exist. And if they did it would not make the type have stronger T. Again youre making completely illogical statements. :)

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Originally Posted by silke

There have been some discussions on this 'phenomenon' before - that an especially pronounced hidden agenda may be mistaken for base or even some permutation of creative function. For some IEIs on this forum this meant trying to type themselves as either INTp or INTj to the point that there was an entire discussion posted about this in the early days of this forum: IEI: hybrid type of INTj and INTp. This was most pronounced with the far-side Ni-subtype IEIs whose creative Fe was so strongly suppressed by their base function that they turn into a 'rolling ball' of Ni-Ti and at cursory glance could seem logical.

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So from that post it sounds like I could be one of those outliers,thanks for sharing this, I was beginning to think something like this couldn't exist.

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Originally Posted by universe

I dont believe that subtypes makes a huge difference, or that they even exist. And if they did it would not make the type have stronger T. Again youre making completely illogical statements. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...icon_smile.gif

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His logic makes sense, I don't see how you can believe in a system such as socionics and not believe there are some deviations within a type, that's kind of silly.

100% T type

I want to say SLI final

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Originally Posted by Chakram

His logic makes sense, I don't see how you can believe in a system such as socionics and not believe there are some deviations within a type, that's kind of silly.

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Ofc every person of each type is not the same,but that doesn't mean there has to be socionics subtypes to explain it. And lets say an IEI-Ni their Ni is stronger and Fe is weaker. How does this affect their Ti? It doesnt. an ethical types Fe can not be weaker than their logical function. They can try and use their logical function more but theyre not better at it.
Differences in types can be explained by enneagram and how theyre brought up etc

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

100% T type

I want to say SLI final

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What? Weren't you thinking ILI? SLI hasn't even been brought up lol.

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Originally Posted by universe

Ofc every person of each type is not the same,but that doesn't mean there has to be socionics subtypes to explain it. And lets say an IEI-Ni their Ni is stronger and Fe is weaker. How does this affect their Ti? It doesnt. an ethical types Fe can not be weaker than their logical function. They can try and use their logical function more but theyre not better at it.
Differences in types can be explained by enneagram and how theyre brought up etc

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I believe @Contra said accentuated functions can occur, not that they would be significantly stronger. Yes I think people of the same type could have slight variances in the strength of their functions. There is nothing that says one INFp can't have stronger Ti or Fe than another INFp, it would probably still be close, but different none the less.

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Originally Posted by universe

Ofc every person of each type is not the same,but that doesn't mean there has to be socionics subtypes to explain it. And lets say an IEI-Ni their Ni is stronger and Fe is weaker. How does this affect their Ti? It doesnt. an ethical types Fe can not be weaker than their logical function. They can try and use their logical function more but theyre not better at it.
Differences in types can be explained by enneagram and how theyre brought up etc

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Also for @Chakram

"Carl Jung wrote that for a logical type ethical functions become suppressed, and that an unconscious grouping of functions arises in accordance to the conscious contents of functions, for example, the unconsciousness of a sensing type manifests primarily as a suppression of intuition. From C. Jung's deductions and conclusions about the relationships between functions of mental and vital rings (conscious and unconscious - by Jung), it becomes evident that with excitation of an ethical function there is suppression of logical one, and with excitation of sensing function there is suppression of an intuitive one. This happens not only on mental, but also in vital level of EIM model. If, for example, intuition is strengthened, it is strengthened in both orientations - introverted and extroverted, which also applies to other functions. Thus, with excitation of intuition of possibilities (Ne) of IEE model, the intuition of time (Ni) is also strengthened, and simultaneously both sensing functions (Se and Si) become inhibited. With excitation of ethics of relationships (Fi) there is a concurrent suppression of structural and business logic (Ti and Te).

Carl Jung has also noted that logical functions can be easily combined with intuition, but never with the feeling ones. Intuition, same as sensing, is not in opposition to logical functions as are feeling functions, that compete with logical ones. Thus, the excitation of intuitive functions in our example of type IEE correspondingly slows down the functions of ethics of relations and ethics of emotions (Fi and Fe) and, respectively, excited both functions of structural and business logic (Ti and Te)."

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Meged-Ovcharov

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Originally Posted by Chakram

Yes I think people of the same type could have slight variances in the strength of their functions.

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There is nothing in typology what says about only "slight variances". The main thing typology says - a man has one function stronger than his other, for example T vs F. It does not says how much is this balance and how strong in absolute value the function is. Some people may to have a function significantly stronger than other people of same type. Most people are similar and live in similar conditions - so you don't see this difference, but it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Sol

There is nothing in typology what says about only "slight variances". The main thing typology says - a man has one function stronger than his other, for example T vs F. It does not says how much is this balance and how strong in absolute value the function is. Some people may to have a function significantly stronger than other people of same type. Most people are similar and live in similar conditions - so you don't see this difference, but it's possible.

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Yes that is correct, it is the 'dimensions' of the information element. Meaning lead (the program) and demostrative is 4D and therefor the strongest. In Socionics all eight variations have a define purpose. Aušra Augustinavičiūtė, the founder of Socionics, said that in order to develop one element you have to pass on an other, naturally, and therefor we grow incomplete. We do it very early in development and from there we set the foundation how we function. But it is not only the dimension that is important but how we use it, if we value it, what purpose it have within our set.

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Originally Posted by Sol

There is nothing in typology what says about only "slight variances". The main thing typology says - a man has one function stronger than his other, for example T vs F. It does not says how much is this balance and how strong in absolute value the function is. Some people may to have a function significantly stronger than other people of same type. Most people are similar and live in similar conditions - so you don't see this difference, but it's possible.

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So you are saying it is possible, just not with slight variances, more just one being stronger, of course it is a difficult thing to define though. What do you think makes me an ENTp?

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Originally Posted by Chakram

So you are saying it is possible, just not with slight variances, more just one being stronger, of course it is a difficult thing to define though. What do you think makes me an ENTp?

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But there is a reason it is called dimensions. It is how big this space is within you. If Ni is a big part of you then you probably have high dimension Ni.

Edit: I watched the video and I see you making logic reasoning about atheist. Not much but perhaps SEI?

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Originally Posted by Israel Capitan

But there is a reason it is called dimensions. It is how big this space is within you. If Ni is a big part of you then you probably have high dimension Ni.

Edit: I watched the video and I see you making logic reasoning about atheist. Not much but perhaps SEI?

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Yea that makes sense, and of course those spaces can be different. I don't think I'm SEI, I don't value Si, at all, and other people that know me irl generally pick Si as being one of my weakest functions, and I would agree. Of course not like this one video is a lot of information.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

Yea that makes sense, and of course those spaces can be different. I don't think I'm SEI, I don't value Si, at all, and other people that know me irl generally pick Si as being one of my weakest functions, and I would agree. Of course not like this one video is a lot of information.

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The worldview is ILE and SEI is not that different in structure but in complexity of their elements. If you are intuitive program then you lack sensing and all that comes with it. The Se of a IEI is one dimensional. It is yes or no. The complexity of the leading is high and easy. It just strike me that the next step of your quest to find your type would be to have input from a ILE.

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Originally Posted by Israel Capitan

The worldview is ILE and SEI is not that different in structure but in complexity of their elements. If you are intuitive program then you lack sensing and all that comes with it. The Se of a IEI is one dimensional. It is yes or no. The complexity of the leading is high and easy. It just strike me that the next step of your quest to find your type would be to have input from a ILE.

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You are bit hard to understand. I do not know any ILEs in real life that know much about socionics, in fact I'm not sure if I know any at all that I'm actually friends with.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

You are bit hard to understand. I do not know any ILEs in real life that know much about socionics, in fact I'm not sure if I know any at all that I'm actually friends with.

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My guess SEI was because you seem to have Ti in the same way other IEI does and you spend very much focus on sensation, for example in your opening question. What annoys you? It was a bunch of sensations which is defined Si.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

So you are saying it is possible, just not with slight variances

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Typology theory has nothing about limits how much a function of people of same type may to differ. I think the difference sometimes may to be significant, similarly as there are people with significant difference in other things like height, weight, IQ, etc. Most people will be close, but some may differ significantly. That's the idea.

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What do you think makes me an ENTp?

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Impressions from your nonverbal behavior. I'm not sure in this type, but have no better version now.
You may look at my bloggers examples to check how the version fits to intertype relations theory - which types give you more liking and personal trust. At least you may decide - F types you prefer or T, if F then Fe or Fi, etc.

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Originally Posted by Israel Capitan

My guess SEI was because you seem to have Ti in the same way other IEI does and you spend very much focus on sensation, for example in your opening question. What annoys you? It was a bunch of sensations which is defined Si.

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Just sounds, it's misophonia, from what I've seen the correlation between that actually tends to be higher in people that that are INXx. There's actually a thing exactly on this: https://www.reddit.com/r/misophonia/comments/1va8eb/what_is_your_myersbriggs_personality_type/

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Originally Posted by Chakram

Just sounds, it's misophonia, from what I've seen the correlation between that actually tends to be higher in people that that are INXx. There's actually a thing exactly on this: https://www.reddit.com/r/misophonia/comments/1va8eb/what_is_your_myersbriggs_personality_type/

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Why do you think you are of type Ni? Good luck finding your type, it might take a while! :)

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Originally Posted by Israel Capitan

Why do you think you are of type Ni? Good luck finding your type, it might take a while! :)

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I can relate to the descriptions of it, I'm good at predicting how events will unfold, definitely not always right because there are a lot of factors but I tend to do it a lot anyways, plus other stuff. As I had said, I had thought I was a Ti ego for a while though just with strong Ni usage, now I am realizing there was a good chance I was mistaken in this.

My sensing, in the broad sense of the term, is not very good, occasions where my friend, probably an SLE, would point out something in the environment, something obvious to him and I wouldn't notice it, and he would make fun of me for it and wonder how I didn't notice it.

So you would say IEI is likely or something else? @Israel Capitan

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Originally Posted by Chakram

So you would say IEI is likely or something else? @Israel Capitan

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You gota learn stuff and introspect and find your type. I can not help you anymore. Gl

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Originally Posted by Israel Capitan

You gota learn stuff and introspect and find your type. I can not help you anymore. Gl

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I have been doing both of those things obviously. I made a thread to get new opinions because my type had remained an enigma to me, it does seem like it has been back on the right track after the creation of this thread.

@Sapling has pointed out that me and this girl (IEI) seem very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMAl...C0iU01zwO7Q1N3
I am kind of curious to see what everyone else thinks

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Originally Posted by Chakram

@Sapling has pointed out that me and this girl (IEI) seem very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMAl...C0iU01zwO7Q1N3
I am kind of curious to see what everyone else thinks

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Idk what type she is but i dont see the similarity. anyways i think youre probably LII.

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Originally Posted by universe

Idk what type she is but i dont see the similarity. anyways i think youre probably LII.

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She is IEI, which I put in parenthesis. I suppose LII is still on the table, although it seems much less likely than IXI currently.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

She is IEI, which I put in parenthesis. I suppose LII is still on the table, although it seems much less likely than IXI currently.

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Yeah just because someone types as something doesnt mean its accurate. So you think you seek Se?

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Originally Posted by universe

Yeah just because someone types as something doesnt mean its accurate. So you think you seek Se?

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I think it's that most people agree that she is IEI. In shows and movies, Se types tend to be among the people I like. If you have ever watched Spartacus, I like Quintus Batiatus quite a bit, he is quite possibly an SLE. I mean that entire show is just a lot of Se lol.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

I think it's that most people agree that she is IEI. In shows and movies, Se types tend to be among the people I like. If you have ever watched Spartacus, I like Quintus Batiatus quite a bit, he is quite possibly an SLE. I mean that entire show is just a lot of Se lol.

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She may be SEI. And no havent seen that. In video you vibe as Si/Ne valuing and perhaps Fe and you look exactly like my alpha NT friend so thats all i have to say i guess.

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Originally Posted by Chakram

@Sapling has pointed out that me and this girl (IEI) seem very similar

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I don't see you similar.