Ne-LII?
http://youtu.be/rrxZRuL65wQ
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Ne-LII?
http://youtu.be/rrxZRuL65wQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM
This is probably a good video to type from, imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qrlnn35gBo
i threw him in the gamma thread. Initial impression was definitely LII, but I think i was a bit biased based on his persona and demeanor. Thoughts now are Gamma NT though his Ti seems 4D to me which obviously makes me lean ILI. Also looks a bit like Max Born who is benchmarked as ILI. One thing that drew me away from Ni dom, initially, was the lack of the 'out of the moment' vibe, but honestly im not sure Ni doms even have that in many cases.
A lot of his developed thought (like his books and lectures) centers around breaking down the thought process/method of argumentation of his opponents and developing a way to combat the arguments. Makes me think Tactician over Strategist in Reinin based on that. Also, when he argues he has a fairly extensive body of knowledge and leans on it without going past it. He is very attentive to the logic formulation involved in his arguments and, though he is pretty aggressive, he is quick to concede when he is wrong or when he sees a fair point. While our personalities and demeanor are fairly different, after watching enough videos I started to see a few parallels in the way we think/general cognition. I think ILI and LIE are the best options (still ILI seems a bit better), but he could still be something like LII. I just think Te ego is more likely.
mb INTJ
LII I guess
He's a P type
Him IQmogging some college student. I'm pro-choice but he seems pretty alpha intellectually.
http://youtu.be/fyKwybSueDE
updated: LII-Ne (3w4 sx/sp, NA type)
What's clear from his quotes is that Shapiro is a "Static" type. He characterizes things by their static qualities: "Democrats are..." "Putin is..." "our lifestyle is ..." and so on. Reminds me of Jordan Peterson, another LII, no wonder that they agree on so many issues and have a similar kind of mindset. Even though he's in his mid-30s he still makes a youthful boyish impression, which hints at a "child-like" type with pronounced Ne.
When I was a kid, I'd wake up extraordinarily early every morning and turn on the television, scanning for episodes of 'The Jetsons.' For some reason, I loved the notion of a future where there would be flying cars, supercomputers, and most of all, robot maids to take care of the chores. - Ben Shapiro
Freedom of speech and thought matters, especially when it is speech and thought with which we disagree. The moment the majority decides to destroy people for engaging in thought it dislikes, thought crime becomes a reality. - Ben Shapiro
When Americans are faced with the prospect that they can never earn their way to wealth, they have two choices: to rebel against the system, or to settle into depressed complacency. - Ben Shapiro
Having children truly ends adolescence. We are all either parents or children: responsibility-takers or those who demand from others. - Ben Shapiro
Every time we rock our babies in the night, we bring order back to a disordered world. Every time we look down at our children and cry, we make the world one shade brighter. That's what children do to us - and for us. - Ben Shapiro
The European style of living is seductive: fewer hours worked, more hours at the cafe, less concern over self-betterment. But that style of living does not produce a purposeful life. - Ben Shapiro
When we say 'less fortunate,' we generally mean the poor rather than the disabled, who actually are less fortunate. In truth, the poor are generally 'less fortunate' only in terms of genetics. They are certainly not less fortunate in the amount of help they receive. - Ben Shapiro
'Noah' doesn't merely get the story wrong; like all Biblical adaptations, it's bound to do that (although some aspects of the film are out and out ridiculous). It gets the morality of the story wrong, and in the process turns God into Gaia and morality into radical deep green environmentalism. - Ben Shapiro
ISTJ
ESE
Agree. Creative-Te.Quote:
Originally Posted by Contra
This is exactly right; he doesn’t have an original thought in his body; rather, he’s an ideological spokesperson for the whatever-you-want-to-call-whatever-movement-this-is. He’s like the human version of those dinosaurs that can puff out those colorful frills and then you realize they’re tiny and have nothing to actually say. He’s like what Tom Cruise is to L. Ron, except his L. Ron is whatever conservative political figure he encountered at the formative age of 13 when he realized he could impress people, and thereby feel a sense of contribution, via his forceful parroting of the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinoline
You can tell this an alpha form of Fe because of its obvious character of holding “public executions.” Its his way of enforcing and taking on the offense the underlying Ti constructions generated by the relatively invisible and retiring LIIs and ILEs who provided for him all his underlying premises (which were likely in turn generated by beta far upstream). Because of their general cloisteredness, especially in comparison to such a self-promoting figure, people make the mistake of thinking these thoughts are his own.
Generally ESEs are most productive in entertainment, so it would be tempting to think maybe he’s wasting his talent. Then you realize the youtube/foxnews/facebook/podcast sphere of political discourse is precisely that. Its “politics” in the sense that its “political debate,” which is really just theatre, served up to reinforce psychological perspectives by restating what everyone already believes (+Fe), but in a way that obscures the fundamentally unoriginal, and empty, character of the thing (Ni polr) and emphasizes convincing delivery (+Fe -Si) in response to the collective discomfort such perspectives have recently had to endure, so as to promote comfort in their cultural bubble
His entire spiel is just a gish gallop of talking points in a forum where such a thing has maximum impact and minimal chance of recalcitrance on the merits, which would require a slow and careful analysis rooted in intellectual charity and rigor and not what essentially amounts to a circus… bread and circuses
for what its worth, I feel like you've been amazingly on point lately @pinoline I really enjoy your posts, you even got me to add my 2 cents because I think most people will not see how insightful you're being right now
where the hell have u been? : DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
I swear I didnt kno who Ben Shapiro is, just focused on his faces in a video without hearing the audio...
ahhh I'm all getting deep into socion, it's getting unhealthy I must admit.. a heart for your kind words <3
haha yeah that's a way quicker way to get to it, but you know people will bog you down by trying to say things like "lul but his thoughts r so deep and you haven't addressed that--can't be ESE!!", when in fact you cut past all that bullshit. But I wanted to address it before it came up or before people just ignored your insight, never giving it a chance based on their own (ironic under the circumstances) superficial judgement
I'm pretty much over socionics but you're a ray of sunshine, which is why I haven't bothered occupying myself with it for a while but also why I wanted to chime in now
@Bertrand u're a rainbow look at u :DD
yes sometimes it's better to focus on visual over words (non-verbal language)... but the looks too can be deceiving, tis so hard to tell...
I was just thinking I couldn't care less of what socionics type you are anyway because you're a Leo... but you make the best EII walking over the16types nomatter what :D
we can open a business partnership now
speak for yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
I can understand, there's so much depth to socionics, not because of socionics per se, but because of the underlying intuitive patterns that just go deeper and deeper... you can just lose yourself in it... you gotta keep your feet on the ground... I really think its stuff like that that made Nietzsche go crazy etcQuote:
Originally Posted by pinoline
I didn't mean to make at a jab at you, think of my words directed at pinoline as being their own little universe and having no relation to anything but usQuote:
Originally Posted by squark
in other words, maybe your assessment is more correct, more objective, but I feel like me and pinoline are seeing the same thing, however wrong it may be... I don't care. I'm glad it is what it is (pinoline to me) and I feel like I have to acknowledge it, because it gets drowned out way too much and I don't like that about this world
Can't understand LII as a choice, seems pretty much based on superficial ideas about the type. No way this combative guy has an :Se: PoLR :lol:
Gamma is the real deal. Listen to him using valued :Se:, :Ni:, and :Fi: here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nox54RkkRvw
Has to be LIE/ILI > SEE/ESI.
(Tremendously like this guy even if I don't agree with everything, he has good pragmatic/factual reasonings. It's the :Te:)
My view is ILI-Te or LIE-Te.
He has a very facts/evidence based approach to arguments, and strongly dislikes both Ne and Fe (compare him to Milo Yiannopolos, ILE). Ni is much more likely than Si as an perceiving element, as he's more focused on efficiency than reliability.
on a scale of 1-10 how much do you like ben shapiro and consider him a role model, cuivenen?
Ben Shapiro: ESTj or ISFj?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0irXa92mg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnfGmmbQGjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gsh4L6oXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymIhp5pOqcw
http://media.breitbart.com/media/201...30-640x480.jpg
https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/w...PBDZ.jpg?w=535
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quot...141-9-0920.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/bd/31/5...e-politics.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/5d/ba/6b/5...rican-life.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/a1Wlfhm.jpg
https://pics.me.me/99-facts-dont-car...e-20763800.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4-iWdmVMAA5pp1.jpg
I'm going to go with Te-LIE for him. I initially thought Ti-LII, but then the idea of him being extroverted and :Te: dominant rather than introverted and :Ti: dominant started to make more sense when I saw more interviews and debates from him.
God. So many LIE's think they did it all themselves. Born on third base and think they hit a triple.
I remember a discussion I had in high school with the extremely liberal son of the owner of the city newspaper. He was kind of languid and hippy-dippy-ish, a pacifist and extremely smart. Both he and I were in a lot of advanced classes together. He ended up leaving the extremely profitable family business and running a non-profit organization that helped the poor in California.
At the time, we were sitting on the stairs in the part of the high school that was frequented by the football players and the industrial arts students, and I was saying something massively stupid like "What's the point of having all the stupid people in society? Why not just let them fend for themselves? They'd all be dead in a few months. They're just freeloading off the efforts of the smart people."
I, of course, was not in this doomed class by virtue of my hard earned efforts at being born a white male to a lawyer and a teacher in the US of A.
He just looked at me and said, "Someday, you might need their help." And I thought, "I can't imagine any scenario in the known universe where that would happen, but he's a smart guy and I should at least consider what he says."
I was, of course, massively wrong (and worse, I was stupid) as only an LIE-Te can be. Ben Shapiro seems a lot like my seventeen year old self. Why didn't he grow up? Is it the money he gets by shilling for the rich? Or the attention?
Keeping with LII-Ne here.
It's like which type would dream of supercomputer guided robot maids to take care of their chores? Ben Shapiro - "When I was a kid, I'd wake up extraordinarily early every morning and turn on the television, scanning for episodes of 'The Jetsons.' For some reason, I loved the notion of a future where there would be flying cars, supercomputers, and most of all, robot maids to take care of the chores."
Going by subjective impressions - never felt any supervision from him; additionally, I have trouble placing together LIEs and attempts to draw convincing arguments based on the Biblical 10 commandments. LIEs are usually not this deeply religious, though of course there may be exceptions. Ben Shapiro - "Socialism violates at least three of the Ten Commandments: It turns government into God, it legalizes thievery and it elevates covetousness. Discussions of income inequality, after all, aren't about prosperity but about petty spite. Why should you care how much money I make, so long as you are happy?"
I used to do the same thing. There was one episode where the family was flying around and they were all playing cards or something while the car flew itself. I thought, "Wow! What a great idea!"Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
Even then, I knew that it was the idea of the possible that is important. The implementation can eventually follow when technology catches up. But having the idea....That's what is important.
I also liked the sliding sidewalks. I'm still waiting for the signs on cars that send messages to other drivers. And my jet pack, of course.
My LSE mother used to say this to us kids. Even then, I thought it was bullshit. Inequality is corrosive.Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
@silke, are you having trouble associating LIE's with a belief in the Bible? I know an LIE who is a total nutjob about religion. Only one, though.
And have you ever dreamed of your house being overrun by robot maids fulfilling your every physical need? Doesn't sounds like a Se hidden agenda and certainly not something I would wish for myself. With Se you make yourself strive towards the outcomes rather than wish for this kind of convenient life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
What about Shapiro's argument here? How effective are any such arguments made from the Bible from an LIE standpoint?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
He happens to be a "child-like" type, and I've noticed the same. Types with pronounced Ne tend to make that youthful impression. Even though he's in his mid-30s he still surprisingly impresses very much like a boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
I actually would like to have my house cleaned by robots while I'm away. I've even thought of making everything waterproof and just turning on sprinklers in the ceiling once a week. I actually did make my bathroom waterproof. Correction. I could fill it with water up to the electrical outlets and everything would be fine. Except what leaked out under the door. Haven't solved that yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
I'm all for striving for outcomes, but I hate doing maintenance. I'm redoing my house, and one big goal is to eliminate sources of dust, grease, and tracked-in dirt.
Well, IMO, Biblical logic is often very iffy. The rules are mostly based on experience, which is not the worst guide in the world, but not the best, either. And most of them are aimed at the unquestioned racial survival of a small tribe in the desert, surrounded by enemies and dehumanizing their neighbors in their fight for scarce resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
The situation has changed radically since then. Resources are plentiful, and those who use the old arguments for the purpose of hoarding resources to themselves are not admitting their very real dependence on others. They are just making a bullshit argument for being selfish.*
Could be. I do think he VI's more LIE than LII. That doesn't mean much, though, given my VI track record.Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
*To be fair, conservatives like Shapiro are much better at building and supporting a small community of like-minded people than liberals are. I just wish they could expand their definition of tribe to include all humans, and perhaps some other life forms, while they are at it.
This is how I visualize Ben Shapiro.
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why the fuck did I laugh at thisQuote:
Originally Posted by PeterPanPrinciple
I watch quite a lot of his stuff. Gamma NT almost certainly. I suspect LIE over ILI.
Ben Shapiro is on friendly terms with Sam Harris (in real life) despite their differing politics and clashes during debates or whatever. I guess Gamma but the waking up early to watch the Jetsons every morning reminds me of LSI for some reason.
He's defo some sort of Te-Fi type >>> Ti-Fe.
ALL of his arguments are fact based and he actively criticises anyone who doesn't consider the facts.
Te ego makes sense. I’m leaning towards LSE.
Lie
He is a typical traditional, uptight LSE. His thinking is not particularly abstract, he's very rigid and literal. Listen to him speak on pop culture or the family, the delta values are evident. He is critical of anything vulgar, aggressive, or animalistic (anti Se). He used to do pop culture song reviews on his show and they're kind of hilarious because he doesn't recognize when someone is being poetic or using figures of speech (Ni polr), also he compares everything to classical music or Frank Sinatra (his Si uses music of the past as the default standard). Him enjoying the Jetsons reminds me of my parents (LSE and SLI) enjoyment of sci-films and Star Trek. They're drawn to those imaginative worlds because of the Ne. Basically he's a sensor but his intelligence and verbal ability make him seem stereotypically intuitive.
Here he criticizes Ariana Grande (ENFJ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZCRgVN2PtA
Here he criticizes a rap song by pedantically correcting the grammar rather than speaking on the lyrical meaning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJbr5bsuWs
You're a very introspective person, especially for an LIE. I appreciate that about you. Your posts are always interesting to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
LIE
I'm not going to post links of other people bashing him or talk about anything specific, since if the Trump thread taught me anything, most of us already have an opinion about him, regardless of what anyone says or thinks.
But I am going to say that a lot of critical thinkers/critics (which often fit the stereotype of an ILI) find major flaws in his reasoning, conclusions, philosophies, and just general thinking. He's also very obviously defending the conservative stance against a liberal one and painting everything into a political us-vs-them stance. It's possible he's just an LIE just playing on all that crap to make bank $$$. But that kind of thinking doesn't really lend well to Gamma values of individuality and seeing people as individuals over generalizing people and society into overly-simplistic political affiliations. So it seems like a stretch. Plus what kind of LIE would want to be known for putting on such a farce? Is it even all that interesting?
There is this though - https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/commen...gs_type_today/
So apparently he admitted to being ExTJ, but didn't seem to want to talk about whether he was N or S, saying he couldn't remember which one he was... I think that says a lot about his kind of thinking, given that the N/S divide is probably the most interesting and complex and someone who is more of an intuitive thinker would probably have a lot to say about it. But he didn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraph
God...I'd swear it was a satire or something, but he seems so sincere about it all...he's like an old man complaining about what the newer generations are into. :lol:
LIE-Te
It's like almost everything he says is extroverted logic. Facts facts facts, data data data, so forth.
If he's logically inconsistent, it's because of Ti Ignoring, not Sensing.
He lacks the physicality, embodiment of 4D Se. His mind works at a rapid-fire speed, his conceptualizations and fast rhetorical clap-backs are typical of high extroversion coupled with 4D Ne.
Also, like a stereotypical extrovert, he has a higher energetic current and talks loudly and fast.
Deserving something. Interesting statement. Does "deserve" in the end only mean interactional determinism with the world? This claim implies stilting the statement towards personally beneficial end result.Quote:
Originally Posted by HERO
From what I gather is that it contains lots of elements of contradiction that never truly raises to a surface just by starting from group cohesion.
gamma NT
BLEGGGH lol He's not a LIE; he's a LSE, in the same vein as someone like O' Reilly.
He's definitely a Te lead (albeit a cherry picking, intellectually dishonest one), but generally speaking, if one reveres the past and insists on adhering to anti-progressive, traditional vales, they are more likely to be a Si user with weaker Ne intuition because their grasp of futuristic possibilities (read: the unknown) are more so rooted in fear and a discomforting uncertainty, and thus there is a preference for upholding what is familiar, and moreover, has been idealized by way of subjective sense impressions. Clearly, Shapiro preferences his sensing over his intuition when he is prophesying doom and gloom about Western cultural values in favor of how we've done things in the past.
LIEs are more inclined towards optimism about future prospects, in that we are more secure in our ability to innovate effective solutions to meet future oriented concerns, implications, consequences, etc.... by way of perceiving the big picture and how the past/present/future exist along a continuum of readily beheld patterns and interlocking systems that will always provide the best answer. We're more inclined to bypass immediate sensory details in favor of what we have confidently conceptualized and intend to carry out, hence the oft ascribed "visionary" label (given to intuitives). That ain't Shapiro, he traffics in fear of the future if we don't adhere to present and past based facts, values, etc.... BLEGGGGGH.
Oh, and I have receipts:
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2.) Readily (read: creepily) found among Filatova's LSE portraits in a rather cut and dry case > enjoy the closeup!Quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5dl7fxbprk
@42:46 "Hey Ben, what is your Myers-Briggs type?"
Ben Shapiro responds, "I can't remember, what is Myers-Briggs? Is this the introvert thing? I'll have to look it up real fast. Yeah yeah, the free personality test. You know I, I did it at one point and I, I cannot remember for the life of me which one, which type I am, I have to look up the types and I'd probably remember so I believe that there are, let's see, so I know I was an extrovert. I know that in terms of sensing versus intuition, I think I was a sensing versus intuition; I believe that when it came to making decisions, I was thinking versus feeling, and when it came to prefer judging versus perceiving I believed that I was a judging, so I was either an ESTJ or an ENTJ I believe, so that's for what, for whatever that's worth that's what I think I was anyway I can't remember, to be frank with you."
https://i.postimg.cc/mgqR9LYn/Bleggh.jpg
Bill O'Reilly has clearly much more force and pressure behind his angry antics, which is a sign of 4D Se. Ben Shapiro seems rather gentle and soft in comparison. With Bill, you'd get the impression he would bash your head in if he could. With Ben, not really. There is no sense of physical threat emanating from him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
What you are pointing out there is the strong connection to Type 6 which Si ego types typically possess. Yes, that often makes them more inclined to traditionalism and consersativism (coupled with their weak intuition), but that doesn't mean that just because someone is a conservative, that they must be Si ego (or Se ego for that matter).
As a whole, Rationals tend to lean towards conservatism, and Irrationals tend to be more "open-minded" towards in-coming information and phenomena on average, but it is not a rule; there are liberals and conservatives of every type and in every Quadra out there. Hence I find typing Ben as LSE just because of his conservatism rather simplistic.
Watching him get DESTROYED in that interview with Andrew Neil (who seems SLI by my guess, supervision maybe?) was very entertaining.
All Te leads are inclined to cherry pick the data blocks that neatly fit into their worldview and apply them in a brute force manner when debating, we just have a tendency to notice and be bothered by it more when it's coming from someone diametrically opposed to our own worldview.
btw I like that Rogan interview where he fulmbles to explain his religious opposition to gay marriage. He basically flips the script and tries to use religion and morality to destroy logic. Just funny because it's a good example of how even the most logical types can be prone to cherry picking and resorting to moralistic fallacies when it suits their arguments.
First off, it seems to me that you're conflating a lack of "force and pressure" (which Shapiro does manifest) with his high, nasal, weaselly ass voice--which most certainly removes a fair amount of gravitas from his presentation though that has nothing to do with the energetic manifestation of his "will," as evidenced by his push back below:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olimpia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LfWVL0Ng7c
I can palpably detect the energy he's dispensing, even if I'm not particularly "impressed," "moved," "intimidated," or whatever by it. Moreover, I think O'Reilly is an enneagram 8 or definitely has it in his tritype, which would mean that he's more comfortable standing in his anger and exerting force/pressure. There are a fair amount of LSE enneagram 1s, for example, who definitely sublimate their anger and any accompanying "volitional will"--I've encountered Te leads who can come off kinda hard, standoffish and aggressive and those who seem more like stiff, uptight, robotic nerds (a la Shapiro).
Furthermore, I have 2D Se and yet I rage harder than anything I've ever witnessed from O'Reilly. Kobe Bryant is a LIE with low D Se and yet he's one of the best basketball players of all time, a sport dominated by Se leads/creatives. Why? Because he has an ungodly work ethic and through experience, has grown to a high level of Se competence, even if not blessed with natural Se facility, which are two different things.
The thing is, I rely on qualifiers like "more" or "less" to add degree, texture and nuance to my statements; I said that, as a Si > Ne user, he'd more likely be inclined towards a "traditional" (catalogued/entrenched/preferred sense based impressions of past experiences) worldview, which should be understood contextually > what's considered to be traditional in Sweden [socially, culturally, politically] differs to what that may encompass in Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olimpia
What's "simplistic" is you ignoring the additional data I provided where he corroborated his typing as a LSE and also where he remarkably "VIs" as a LSE, according to an empirical method > testing and typing thousands of people with such a high degree of accuracy that readily observable phenotypical patterns manifest, subsequently forming an additional rubric and criteria by which to assess one's type (though not with 100% neatness, considering the breadth of human phenotypical diversity). Other typology systems like DaveSuperPowers have observed and recorded a similar phenomenon, only endowing this particular brand of "VI" with more credulity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olimpia
LII could be right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E&feature=youtu.be
heres the full interview, and yeah the interviewer seems SLI
If the interviewer is SLI that could potentially confirm Ben for LIE because he does look like he is being supervised in the interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
just cuz he got rekt in an interview doesnt mean he is being supervised on SiQuote:
Originally Posted by Raver
do you also think that Ben Shapiro supervises all those people that he DESTROYS? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Raver
I know, I am just speculating, he might be LII. I just always leaned towards LIE in general before the interview and I still lean towards him being LIE even if the interviewer is not SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
Of course not lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
This is almost exactly what I hate about modern politics. Ben has tell the guy he's "on the left" just because he questions his stance on abortion as very extreme. And Ben responds to the 6 week abortion thing by saying human life exists at conception, implying the 6 weeks is even a compromise for him. And then Ben goes on to say BBC is biased?Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
My thought becomes - doesn't Ben realize his own extremism is causing these stupid political divisions? Heh, and then I see the interviewer asking that and Ben taking offense and proving his point so well. Love how he ends with an angry Ben by saying "Thank you for your time and showing that anger is not part of American political discourse." I love that interviewer.
So can we all agree that Ben has a serious lack of self-awareness or introspection of the effect of his own political involvements at least? regardless of type. Cause this has always been my problem with him and if he is say LIE and I am ILI, I would have a difficult time getting along with him, whereas I usually get along really well with LIEs. so yeah.
He could be ILI too; that interview was almost crafted as a play on Ben's lack of self-awareness and an interplay of extremes in American political discourse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 9 large
It would be particularly enlightening to have those arguing in favor of LIE to show where he uses strong Ni. I suspect I'll be waiting forever.
herpderp all smart ppl are intuitiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Caan
No. But intuitives are better at seeing connections between things. It's the essence of intuition. Sorry it butthurts you.
No thats not necessarily true babyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalek Caan
Obviously nothing is "necessarily" true with this stuff. But if in terms of the dichotomy, intuitives don't have strength in intuition and sensors in sensing, then why bother even responding to me? Especially when I was just making a point that he could also be a strong intuitive type, not that he is. :8*
What is even your issue here?
Shapiro is definitely not LIE. Said typing reeks of amateur hour.
Channeling Joaquin Phoenix via SLI.
He seems quite rounded and difficult to type, my best guess for a socionics profile is highly intelligent ST of some kind. I think I can detect a comparatively weak Ni compensated for by an exceptional ability to process concrete information.
You want me to explain the difference? I explained it simply in an unrelated discord. Shapiro argues emotionally with a backing of logic. It's unique that such a person has a master of Fe. Here's how I'd critique that song. I don't like it. Done. Streamlined for all that. If I said why I didn't like it? I don't like rap. If I said why I don't like rap? I'd clarify, I like some rap, but not that rap. There's different kinds of rap, that's the one I dislike. You could keep asking why, and you'll get a similarly terrible answer. It's as if I don't have any internal logic to back up what I just said.
However, if you want me to explain it well, I'd do a ton of preparation, and become Ben Shapiro's cousin for a while. Retreat into my hut, actually listen to the music. Then I'd say it's actually not bad. Bass line in the soprano, melody in the bass. Flipped it. Ah. I like a nice sonorous sound to my music. It's good. Really good. See, the words mean nothing to me, it's everything else. I could honestly agree with him about the lyrics though, they probably suck.
I'll look. This isn't Drake speaking about himself. This is an example of him talking as if he's someone else. Nice Fi polr against an Fi user, Drake. I mean, it's nothing personal, I suck at figuring out how to help people in crisis. Give me a crying woman, and you'll get a crying me. Not really, but that's essentially what happened once between me and my mom. She says something incredibly depressing, I try and work it out. Then I solve it. She says no I won't do that. I break down. All's good now, we're a lot more ready to communicate with each other now and actually do indeed listen to each other.
For fun, I'd love for someone who knows Ben Shapiro to ask him to explain why Yee is a well respected meme.
That awkward moment when Trump is more morally sound and less war hungry than Ben Shapiro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn_rFpdIxvQ
2D :Se: HA of a LIE or 4D :Se: demo of a LSE?
Something utterly devoid of Ni.
yep. that black fry on his head will not save him from cosmic raysQuote:
Originally Posted by golden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwMCpURz8E
Shapiro being utterly "supervised" by an actual strong Ni user (ILI-Te).
Ni-devaluing EXTx type.
Wouldn't take his professed statements too seriously. Guys like this are little more than paid actors for the kabuki theatre.
He has accentuated logic. The way he follows society points towards delta or beta. Does not talk in general terms. He is very factually detailed.
Basically LSE with Si in lesser focus fits very well (much better than LIE):
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...ile_by_DarkAngelFireWolf69
He's kind of like Crowder, if Crowder gained an extra 15 to 20 IQ points.
I think he's a LIE with a normalising subtype (DCNH) . it seems that his Ti function is accentuated, making him very pedantic and sure of his views. for comparsion: jordan peterson and sam harris are imo LIE with a creative subtype.
Where is the 3D Ni and 4D Ne in Shapiro? Point it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundofconfusion
I think Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are really bridging the gap between super egos. It is like dialectical algorithmic types are predisposed of being publicly intellectual debaters/critics.
Very clear LSE-Te imo
LSE
though you should be under the influence of conformism, what is stronger at novices and so to give lesser attention to own IR effectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Marep
as you think your type as EII, then you may notice a sympathy to their superego LSI
it's possible by nontypes reasons, but anyway mb taken as a factor against your EII. this fits better to your LII than EII, same as your recent emotionally inadequate behavior on the forum
I think I like LII for him. When backed into a corner he kind of purrs like a kitten and acts overly nice and sweet (alpha Fe), he acts politically correct and will often be hypocritical of what he said earlier and be nicer to the opposing side.
That means you can't really trust a lot of what he says because he's playing more of a political game/being two-faced for his own popularity where he probably doesn't even believe much in what he says- it's a Ti egoic thing he's doing. LIIs enjoy being 'Gadflys' often.
He's such a little LII bitch I can't even...
Also although he says these funny superficial 'harsh white str8 male Te' things sometimes- his body energy is so bottom-y and beta male-like that it's hard for me to take it seriously. All those quotes have such laughable(Fe) gaps in Te logic that even I understand that as Te polr. Not Beta in socionics btw, but beta in the male hierarchy systems. He looks so fuckable wow. I'm not saying I want to fuck him, I'm just saying- you can tell. His energy is fuckable and passive. You can just tell... it's like he's saying those things so a big republican strong man will just fuck his cute little gadfly liberal pussy male LII ass.
he is an 'ILI-like' LII though in a sense. I don't think the ILI-ness is that concrete though because there's so much gay Fe in his eyes lol. Real ILIs don't have Fe eyes like that, at all.
And he strictly tries to troll the world with these Ti things that are so over the top. This is part of why I am LII's benefactor, because I really see through that really well and know they are just doing it out of their own ego and there's not much reality to it- although yeah you do obviously influence objective reality with your main 4D function- but I think people like your benefactor/supervisor are always pointing out 'not as much as the person hopes or thinks.'
Fe types often get a rise in saying things we don't believe in which often trolls Fi valuers lol. Words are more malleable for us, we take them less seriously by default I think. So a Fe valuer often pretends to be somebody they are not/opposite of what they are because it adds to the discussion & group atmosphere. And that's why Fe can more easily be "manipulative" and "two-faced" etc and also why it can be "nicer."
He typed INTJ on the16personalities.com test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdNKKSeRkY
Logical rational intuitive extravert (LIE)
I'm going to stick with LSI for now.
Gamma NT seems right to me.
bizzare that he gets typed LIE as much as LSE. he is LSE
shen bapiro
He's the "I'm right !!" type of guy. He's the debater who doesn't like the contradiction which he seems to not separate from the contradictor.
He's sneaky and foxy. He is the destroyer of arguments which do not align with his understanding even if his understanding does not align with reality.
He seems to be animated with a great sense of justice, the kind of justice a certain Maximilien was fond of, a mind as sharp as the blade of a guillotine.
Now, he's not Fe PolR even if his word per minute rate is about equivalent to the one of a pro MC, there is a certain prosody and a certain melody under his staccato articulation.
What do we see from him ? In which manner does he give us as the product of his leading function ? I mean, the guy is brilliant no doubt about that:
Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future ; Bullies: How the Left's Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America ; Facts Don't Care about Your Feelings ( Ed. Ouch !! ) ; How to Destroy America in Three Easy Steps ; Facts (Still) Don't Care About Your Feelings ( Ed. In case you didn't got the first time...)
I mean this guy got to be LSE-D right ? (although 4D Se is not that obvious, 1D Fi is)
Note that I don't know him very well, i just barely scratched the surface of his personality so...
Ne-LII (D)/Se-PoLR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pjh4Xyl0s
LIE
throat assembled improperly always sounds on the verge of crying when he talks
He should take some advice from this guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8V9Rl9IneA
This is serious stuff, the big leagues guys !! lol
LSI-D
LII
LSE, there's little to no debate.
Three years ago, I thought that Ben Shapiro was an LIE. I now think that he's an ILI-Te.
There are some fundamental differences between LIE and ILI, even when both are the Te-dom variety, which I hadn't really discovered three years ago. I know a lot more LIEs and ILIs now than I did then, and I've carefully observed the borderland between them. It's not a smooth, continuous transition. There are binary switches which flip.
Extraverted Thinking is apparent. He's not as "entrepreneurial" as LIEs tend to be. LSE.
I'll switch my typing to LIE as it is pretty apparent now
Shapiro looks sharp. LSEs tend to look blockish. It's Ni vs Si.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellohellohello
One possible tell: Does he worship SEEs Harley Quinn and Donald Trump? If he doesn't actually worship Trump, does he blame Trump for not listening to his advice? That's a common complaint that ILIs have against SEEs.
LIEs criticize SEEs because they're always late to the party and are drunk, but are still more popular and have better looking babes than the LIEs. Aside from that, SEEs are OK.
I think it's the subtle difference between turbulent emotions (LIE) and being hot-tempered (LSE). I have never seen Ben Shapiro look confused in his assessments, he's always getting pissed off with whoever is disagreeing with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Lol. Most ILIs are very calm under pressure, because they normally feel pressure all the time. That Fe-PoLR is a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellohellohello
Shapiro wants to be right. In fact, he HAS to appear to be right, in order to convince his sloppy and short-attention-span Dual that the Dual's impulsive actions will have certain dire consequences.
LSE's just want you to do what they tell you to do.