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You had several similar threads already:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...59-INFj-Doubts
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...me-for-Maritsa
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Maritsa-s-type
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...hp/36632-Video
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-topic-Maritsa
I never invited anyone to type me
Well type me and move on. N you said. ENFj INFp or ENFp? You ruled out infj. I'm sorry you just get me upset because you can't see it. Even with your so called skillQuote:
Originally Posted by Sol
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Originally Posted by Sol
INFp right?I just read this post.
You put a new picture? After...how long was it? Wanted to comment on that this morn but uh, didn't have a good enough excuse(no valid thread for that kind of stuff). And is it possible that ou asked what you just did :confused: ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Yes I changed it because it's probably a closer representative of me. Most often the camera is too near and it makes me look bigger than I am this is probably the best way that I lookQuote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
It seemed to me like a foregone conclusion that there'd be some typing disagreement between you two (Sol and Maritsa).
Anyway, Maritsa, I will always agree that you are INFj. Some reasons why: You're quite caught up in your private, subjective Fi estimates of people and situations and you describe the world in terms of personal relationships. You emphasize recognizing and cultivating opportunities. I also think you look IJ. I've seen you on camera once or twice and you had a quiet, drawn-in energy and a fair amount of internal tension. You think in a linear way and you appear drawn to structure and not all that adaptive.
Some things you don't do: You don't trade in metaphor, you don't display logical detachment, you don't appear to care about social atmosphere, you don't focus on aesthetics.
That's exactly the way that I am thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by GOLDEN
How might you say those are different from IEI?Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLDEN
You're becoming increasingly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Fe is more impersonal and objective, as it responds to externals. It gauges other people through a liquid series of impressions and finds change there, or makes change happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Ni doesn't throw out multiple possibilities, rather it focuses on something specific that is "already complete" but distant, and requires adaptations to arrive at.
IP looks more disorganized to me, appears better able to tolerate sudden changes, whims. Is more placating. IP people can sometimes be outwardly nervous, but there's softness at the core.
I should be placed in your videos archive permenantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Oh and any other dual can read my posts and just know. But you would rather skip that. Also, it would be in best if you learned to listen with your other ear (that's with a person's heart)
You are a good typer, Golden!Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLDEN
I just know that you seem to take socionics very seriously and often personally - that you're often very opinionated about this stuff. But I don't mean that as an insult, as much as something I've noticed. I don't know if I'd be comfortable suggesting that belongs to a particular type, though it may be indicative of a high amount of introversion to be so concerned about subjective evaluations.
My mom and I have a mediocre relationship. She and my brother have the best relationship of our three. I doubt that I'm her dual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
EII for none of the reasons people said. The type itself is just a color of general processing people have, and my hope is that you expand your typing skills to understand this general process of individuals of each type more. In other words not just including, "personal relationships" for Fi, but the whole of "subjective feeling" for Fi, so that you grasp and accept more behind the individual and his or her psyche, similarly the whole of "subjective sensing" for Si, in which every unique variety of a type manifests. For this reason read and accept Jung's psychological types more than say, categorically limited illustrations of types of which all begin to sound like one person, or inadequate shades of an otherwise complex individual.
What you may, instead of utilizing a categorical definition for typing individuals, realize, is that this categorical definition you're looking for is beyond such specifically precise ways of defining that we as humans cannot fully comprehend in our own creation and selves, and you are merely taking in more and more information which allows you to do so. In this very way, is how I see you will arrive at understanding the types in a bigger way, by grasping the essence of type by utilizing no categorical definition, but merely utilizing greater and grander open-minded experiences, when you decide to open the types up to their proper complexity and similarly, open yourself up to the human's deeper and broader way of thinking about very intricate and variable things, in your journey to conquer every type. That is to say, understand the human being on our own grounds: that we are all so complex and unique, and there is no effortless formula to capture such similarities and differences. Therefore we must take the humble approach in admitting one anothers' opinions.
Attachment 6386Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
:hello:
Definitely definitely a lot of 1 and 2 energy from you in the enneagram.
I don't see any reason to doubt your EII typing. Fi base is very evident in how you always like to talk about people and personal things. I don't see any Se anywhere, so EII>ESI. I took a guess in my mind about your enneagram type being 126 before looking at your sig and it looks like I was right.
EII AND FINAL
What type am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
EII
I don't see a problem with being EII, @Maritsa.
What I do see a problem in is worrying that someone else doesn't agree with you self-typing. I think that we've already established here on this forum that Sol's typings are not mainstream for the current Western interpretation(s) of Socionics. Plus, you're Ij, are you not? And us Ijs are (subjectively) always right, are we not? :)
I say all of that and I know that I wouldn't like having my type questioned. It would go against my perfectly structured and theoretical model of reality to have my type questioned (which is what LIIs call being 'offended'). But 100% consensus on anything on this forum is pretty rare, especially considering the different cultures, age groups, and understandings present.
I love you Hacim lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hacim
We are indeed always right :)
I'll dig them outQuote:
Originally Posted by Shay
Despite your numerous years and posts on the forum, I cannot feel I can begin to constructively go into a dialogue with your about your type. It is clear that you place a great level of personal capital into being the archetype of all things EII, and feel it is an important part of your sense of self, to the extent that you hound others who have made constructive comments in regards your type, and have been caught out on occasion pretending to be representative of an aspect you believe is typical of EIIs (e.g. saying you carry out x behaviour in clear parroting of a certain Reinin dichotomy, only to later realise/have it pointed out to you that you had associated with the wrong one). You also have the long habit of energetically criticising others who attempt to type you and claiming you never asked yo be typed...while at the same time, energetically typing much of the forum in to clear hierarchies based on the levels of acquiesce individuals have shown towards your behaviour.You have pursued even the most inoffensive and quietest members of the forum in such a fashion (including those who have been here on the order of 10 years and who prior to your actions, had never been drawn into such confrontations). In addition, you have also mass-deleted posts which you presumably later considered atypical EII behaviour (at least, you certainly thought so when others were only going on mini-rants against you, and not even using Caps Lock.You seem to be highly oblivious to the conflict you have caused on these forums, and find it impossible to let things rest on anything other your terms. For you, everything must be presided by VI J or P-necks...everything must be presided by Reinin dichotomies...everything is confirmed and final, by your own system (not that you would recognise it as such: you seem to consider yourself the ultimate arbiter). No sentence by another individual is allowed to get passed you without you saying this is not typical for the time you say you are...you are utterly incapable of considering that each human being is a complex thing, capable of a great range of thoughts and behaviours. I find it peculiar that an EII would act in such a way, and also, I find odd that an EII would be regularly incapable of picking up on such nuances in written conversation.
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Originally Posted by Subteigh
@Maritsa your responses are rather flippant considering the scale of your various actions. I respect you more as a person than as an EII.
Another thing I've noticed is that in threads discussing EII-ness (or some aspect that might be relevant to it), you will quote people who consider themselves EII (or whatever the relevant type is), even if you do not consider them EII...and often say the equivalent of "Me too!"...and additionally, your own responses in the thread will often closely parrot the replies of others. Such behaviour has always struck me as though you consider being an EII some form of competition, such is the extent to which you do it. Your posts in such threads also sound like those self-help guides that have lots of "power" words and vague, generalised phrases: they often don't seem to be your true self, but someone doing an impression.
@Sol
Boo yah!!!
Who is talking now! Hehehe
Do you want me to be brutally honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Yes aren't you always? HahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
idk am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
More to the point, I do see you as a J and as an F. And prolly as an I. So, that is I Fj. But I don't see you as an INFj. No way, you're more like...well...calmer version of me(well, no 8 I guess :D). Categorical statements, blind belief in Ne(which to me screams of 1D but wth /whistle), giving orders or at least using imperative but not being that ok with it, liking showing yourself(come on! you posted 12356 pictures of you in this very own thread + have used you yourself as an avatar for a long time{hint: I did think of that}) and prolly being more horny, dirty etc than you care to admit or than you are ok with. As I say(while staring right at the girl's ass): "why am I doing this?" . You awfully remind me of such behaviour. Like it or not, this is how others(who don't care for pointless flattery just like I don't) see you. As a closing statement, I'll paraphrase what you said once(notice the Se behaviour):
"When I enter (a store was it?), all "LSE"s look at me"
(either that or you're an e3, take your pick)
I didn't say all LSE look at me when I enter a store. I said an LSE will. I'm very sure that I'm not isfj. My cousin is and we are very different sensory wise. She easily takes control of sensory matters. What to cook and cleans things to a bleach clean. I'm neat but I have dust balls and if she saw them she would make me clean them. She's more on her own dependence. I'm more dependent. She wouldn't be able to stand my level of calmness as she's more proactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
The calmer less active person is the infj because LSE are not. They are tense and high internally emotional and they want a peaceful environment. My esi cousin's mostly SEE home is a constant ruckus
No doubts about EII. Fi subtype actually works too.
Do you truly believe that every ESI is alike and that there is NO leeway for small differences? Wasn't the Jung the one who said "every person is a small universe{microcosm} unto itself"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
How can you be sure your cousin is not an actual LSE or LSI and that's why she prefers pristine clean? How can you be sure you are not wrong? I am fully aware that I am, indeed more than not, in wrong.
about the WILL: it's still a strong statement. And the very fact you remember a sentence you said, what a week ago or something, tells me that you have good information digestion and that's why you keep it for a long time. Both S traits.
Look, it's just a tiny correction-you are still targeting a Te dom and most things remain as they are. It's not like you suddenly became LSE :D . If I can sport the possibility of such an error for myself so as to be alpha SF or even Gamma T...surely you can entertain such a microcorrection. Provided that I am not wrong, which I most likely am. :D
No 1D doesn't mean that. Also, I find it hard to see her Ne as 1D...Quote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
I don't want to speak of her like she isn't here because this is her thread after all. < redacted >Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
...sorry I can't continue. I am not T enough-I feel like I am insulting someone. I know that I should finish that sentence because that's the only way to actually do something, but I simply can't.
1D means two things, both equally dangerous:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
1. Understimulation of IE present there
2. Overstimulation of IE present there
Understimulation = complete avoidance of a particular IE even when it should be used
Overstimulation = complete agreement with a particular IE even in spite of contrary evidence(using it when you shouldn't)
Both point towards a "childlike" understanding of a particular IE.
I don't think people understand what Ne is and how it works. I have a ton of Ne because I often supply ideas. I cook different things unlike my gamma brethren who tend to cook the same things. I when working with lsi boss will have a less pronounced tendency to have to see it with my own senses before I can trust it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
Please stop typing people if you don't know what you are doing.
Tbh, I don't think N exists at all. Jung's original incident(s) based upon which he "discovered" it can all be explained either logically or via 5 senses. But nvm this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I am glad that you can concisely and accurately disprove me and prove that you are what you claim you are. I trust you, but I don't trust Augusta that much(am kinda like Cpig here-no proof, no deal). Se = sexually obsessed brutus, oh GG that's a scientific explanation!
< RAGE >Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Damn, I'm a berserker!
My dear cousin is ESI because the Fi subject that is concealed feelings and judging is internal. She's internal and quietly goes about her business. Once my aunt told her something mean and instead of excepting it externally as having come from an old angry lady it struck her internal feelings and she started to cry as she muttered incomprehensible statements about what she had been told trying to communicate her sadness. She's hard core religious like my mom holds fast and hard to certain things and her Ne polr is expressed in her unwillingness and disintrest in association with things not in direct sensory experience. She only really cares for people close by. I care for multitude of human beings across all walks of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
I just wanted to excuse myself. I need to talk to others and unwind and it has nothing to do with you. My rage is all encompassing(really thunderous) so I am terribly sorry if I offended you in any way. You have my thoughts and have my excuses and now you have my leave.
All the best!
EII are reactive as they are Ij temperament and they get defense due to weak ability to recognize latent force (se polr). I hope you've learned a really good lesson. But sadly you can't see how I reacted in person it may surprise you because I have a better ability to express myself in writing while externally I don't look like I reacted much. But you can take it for what it's worth. Whether words as in being honest or your own impression. Best of luck. I hope that you learn to manage your anger betterQuote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
Eie/Ese still fit you.
I think you're an Eie who is playing the eii archetype and has forgotten how to step out of her role when she returned home.
Many people here with strong Ne don't recognise or acknowledge maritsa's Ne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
She might value it... but even that doesn't seem apparent from her behavior on the forum.
Why don't you explainQuote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Probably because my lack of typing skills would cloud the explanation which would make my intuition about you less believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
lets put it like this: I believe you have a good idea of what an eii is about and you act like it from some point of view. However I cannot instinctively believe it. It seems emulated and externalized.
Ive seen eie's emulate others to great extend and my feeling is that you might be doing that.
mind you, I've never met you and my socionics skills are limited. Just my take on the types and your representation.
One thing that informs this is that I don't feel like your Ne and my Ne are the same so either I'm mistyped or you are. And in that scenarios I'll believe my own typing ;)
I was expecting something epic. Sad. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Epic doesn't live in Internet forumsQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I will make a list of all the Ne ego who think I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
And for the record inlay maybe two don't and you're probably not Be ego because if you can't type yourself you don't count.
Extroverted Bintuition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Crispi LIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Slater ILE
Eliza IEE
Ssmall IEE
Matthew IEE
Applejack IEE
Cbelle IEE
Clowns LII
Kim IEE
Pianosinger IEE
Countless others of other types.
@anndelise you've always been so mean to me so you don't count. I bet his post made you glee with joy.
Yet another example of how you don't actually understand anything about me. For example, my 'meanness' towards you has always been a reactiveness against your harrassment and bullying of delta NFs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
As for the thread topic:
TLDR: i can accept an EII typing for you, but on the understanding that there may be other influences as to why your information processing style differs so much from healthy/other EII.
I'm happy that you're expressing some of your thoughts about my type.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
Maybe sometimes she just has a hankering for validation... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subteigh
I've always considered you EII/INFj, Subteigh, but suddenly I have this thought that you strike me as ILI/INTp... its the persistent negative/analytic skeptical-ness (which also comes out when you and I discuss religion) that makes me think it. I am not saying I guess that as your type - only that it just crossed my mind. I have not given it much thought/analysis. (But I wonder if you ever considered that type for yourself?)
No way no how.:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
But its a joke, right? :thinking:
Do you like my cousin's picture? She won't let me have the one where she's snuggling me . She was much blonder as a kid. Her hair color has gotten darker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
But suddenly you are having an emotional reaction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
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7. http://www.wikisocion.org/en/images/2/20/Symbol_e.gif Extraverted Ethics
EIIs can become expressive and very lively in groups for brief periods of time, but they always gravitate to deep, focused communication between two people or a small, close-knit group. They tend to shun wildness and prefer serious, more sensitive communication.
EIIs are usually very straightforward about their feelings in front of others; what you see from them is what you get. Even at a party where everyone is supposed to be happy, they still find it hard to conceal their true feelings when they are in a bad mood. This can create distaste among the rest who feel that the EII is not cooperating by contributing to the positive and boisterous mood. This tends to lead others who don't know the EII well to have a misconception that he/she is a grouchy person by nature.
8. http://www.wikisocion.org/en/images/9/9a/Symbol_t.gif Introverted Intuition
The individual is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities.
The individual is also not naive to future happenings. He will often warn others of negative consequences. In this way, he uses his Ni to help the PoLR of his dual. However, unlike an EIE, he will not often take his own advice nor expect others to. His Se PoLR makes it impossible for him to demand that others heed his advice, and his Ne-ego makes him place more value in the possibility that he is wrong - and that things will play out differently - than in avoiding foreseeable disasters.
No joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
I struggle to find intuition from Maritsa and instead see her push it forward in posts when she thinks she is showing it.
I don't find her photographs to particularly reflect EII nor her years of writing or behaviour here on the forum.
Either something is seriously wrong with her if she is indeed EII or she is another type...end of story.
How about I cook over 50 soups from scratch without recipesQuote:
Originally Posted by Shay
That's nice that you like to cook and can be inventive in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Wow you just used the magic word= invention. You know what else it is ? New and you know where it comes from ? Boredom and needing something New you know what that is? Ne For God's sake!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
But don't you see that once again you are pushing forward your use of Ne?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
You need to stop talking to me now. You can't figure things outQuote:
Originally Posted by Shay
I shall obey your order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I'm the same person that I've been it's called Ij temperament an unflappable
I don't like you because I see you as a dog who wants nothing but to get in women's pants and for that you'll change your type. You lack my morals.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
An idea crossed my mind - not really emotional. Just asking him what he thinks of the idea. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Well, I am confused about your type Shay - did you once think you were IEI? I don't remeber it was ILI. I am not making a guess at your type though! I am just confused at why I am remembering this wrong. Maybe its just my faulty memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
Maybe your not seeing intuition in Maritsa is due to your Ni and Ne being in completely different positions in Model A, so it expresses itself completely differently from your expression of intuition. With EIIs its very much influenced by their feelings. Their feeling/intuition is VERY much tied together, and they are very firm in their judgments they make based on it. The different expression of EII to IEE that I always see is their sureness of where they stand on a thing, and I see that in Maritsa, even in this thread.
I know ENTps express thier intition quite differently from how I do...
Maritsa is pure EII as far as I am concerned. She has so much in common with EIIs in my life - I know a couple extremely well and for long, and a 2 or 3 others pretty well, as well...
Aw, I don't get that feeling about his character at all. But I know where it comes from... he is not afraid to talk like such as one from time to time here like, way too many here do for my comfort. (I hate that kind of talk!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
You're amoung the other IEE who saw my type and who get me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
I see your reasoning here; its reasonable. But I say no to ESI for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by nondescript
A longtime EII friend I know also posts plenty of pictures of herself (on Facebook). Maybe because she is photogenic, like Maritsa? Also she is just comfortable/okay with having a public face. She doesn't feel unsafe about it, like I do, having her stuff out there. I also don't like how it limits what I can say if everyone knows my real name, my face, my occupation, etc. - and I have to watch my words. I very much value freedom to express myself openly. My EII friend has all that out there -- but maybe that's it - its actually NOT all out there. She has no problem editing herself as she goes. Probably because "I"'s think before they speak more? Particularly Ij's. I have the Ep problem of not doing that. The words come out unfiltered, as I am thinking them. But not having my real identity out there gives me the freedom of not considering all the ramifications of what I say before I say it.
My EII friend also did Match.com dating or one of those online dating sites for a long time. We'd both married and divorced around the same time and were both single moms to boys... but her life was a lot more fun than mine, due to her social life dating. I was just not secure "advertising myself" that way. She encouraged me and I tried to do a write up of myself but its sounded so cheesy and I just did not want to have someone judge me by a stupid limiting paragraph. Plus I was so afraid of having creeps take me on dates. But my EII friend was not afraid of any of this. I think it was the Postivist part of her, and maybe the J vs. P. The J in her was not afraid to limit herself to a paragraph or a picture, and the J and Postivist in her had confidence she would cut off any bad eggs if she had to. The Negativist in me imagined the worst scenarios in this strange dating scene (I wanted the dating scene I was at home with - you meet someone, you feel a connection, then you date) ...
I don't know if Maritsa ever tried online dating but I could see her viewing it like my friend. Just an interesting way to have a social life and maybe make a connection with someone...
An interesting way :) isn't that Ne with positive types?
Point out where you saw Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
I don't care for speculation on her motives.
How is it not apparent? I see it just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Do note that Fi subtype of EII will not show as much Ne as the Ne subtype or the Ne base types.
See the bolded.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
Do you type Radio as something other than EII too?
Where do you see Fe over Ne, praytell. I'm curious.Quote:
Your style, Marista, often seems bent on public bullying and going after the people you think have wronged you, much more aggressively than any EII I could imagine would do. Your behavior in this thread has again evidenced that. I had mentioned EIE for your type before, but I could see ESE and ESI as possibilities. I just don't see you being a logical type or Ne-go at all.
Mostly I test as an IN type. Have moved between the INF's a bit as thought I was not mathmatical or computer literate enough to be an INT type. However INTp female profile fits me well as do some other aspects regarding this type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Here's a thread about my type from a few months back and you will find a post from yourself at #18.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...388-Old-photos
I shall further consider what you have written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
You are ILI because you are like my mom. She never listens to me. And your husband is SEE. You were right. You two were always duals. You sounded more SEE to me when we first interacted because you were probably more like your husband.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
Can we have a confirm on that :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
FINAL. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Shay
Lol yes. FinalQuote:
Originally Posted by Shay
I didn't need to give that . Your life is so self evident of duality.
.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
Is this the mu school of eie's? Maybe there's nothing but eie's on this forum playing play-pretend.There's no Fe in Maritsa's ego. Emotional reaction =/ Fe.
see my disclaimer in her post. In general I see Fe more then Ne yes, to the point where i believe it's both stronger and more valued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I do do know that subtypes can differ and yes I speculate on her motives, which are part of getting an accurate depiction of her character.
I'm "mu school of socionics" if there's such a thing and if it matters to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
She asked to be typed, I do so with a disclaimer that it's mostly my personal intuition. No need to discuss much then is there?
Shay, do you think you and your husband are ILI/SEE Duals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay
I don't know any ILI/SEE Duals, and I really wonder about what that duality looks like. And I am hoping and praying for my husband's daughter to find a SEE guy to love and marry...
EII – INFj – Dostoyevsky (Fi-Ne)
SLI – ISTp – Gabin (Si-Te)
Relations in this dyad are similar to activity relations of Gamma introverts in that they occur between two introverted, constructivist types; however, unlike the Gamma example these relations are between two positivists. That is, both people are expecting only the best from each other, and each wants to offer his help and be of good service. SLI is quite impressed by EII's kindness, tact, and gentleness. Well-wishing, accommodating, and optimistically oriented SLI also initially makes a favorable impression on his activity partner. Relationship takes a very positive turn if the goals and objectives of both partners coincide. They may find themselves to be quite worthy of each other and soon legaslize their union, since both of them are strategic types that strive to reach their desired goals quickly. Their mutual positivism prevents them from spending much time imagining and contemplating possible pitfalls, negative outcomes, and potential deterioration of relations.
@anndelise the above explains how strategic types like to reach their desired goals quickly. You had that confused in your analysis of judicious and whatever. for the record. You're incorrect in your understanding of the dichotomies or you've referenced a bad source either way I'm not going to get into meaning with you because I find it hard to talk to you because you think and act like you're always right. Which isn't fair a d it intimidating for others to have a discussion with you. I'm simply pointing it out for your reference and what I would like to happen is for you to change that part of your analysis. Thanks
SLI feels most comfortable in a relationship where there is some distance, while EII strives to keep very short interpersonal distances, from which he tries not to retreat and "lose ground". Over time, EII's emotionality increases, which begins to annoy the SLI, because he is oriented at flexible, manipulative emotional influence of his dual IEE. It is imperative for SLI that his partner is able to emotionally adjust to him and manipulate the interpersonal distance, but EII cannot manipulate and adjust their distance by using his emotions, since EII's aspect of "ethics of emotions" is in inert position. Instead, the EII is oriented to "constantly approach", all the time shortening the distance between him and another person. Thus SLI has no choice but to create this distance himself. This he accomplishes by either moving away from his "activity" partner or by showing deliberate indifference to his feelings and needs.
wishes to save the relationship. She first attempts to softly and gently persuade him to reconsider, which he, of course, does not. Then she tries to find out the true reason behind him not wishing to come over, but he doesn't know himself - he simply feels that he does not want to come and see her today, that is all. She is now offended and voices her accusations and reprimands, which are followed by demonstrative alienation. Now this he tries to prevent, and upon seeing that he is losing her he says: "okay, wait, I will come over," and arrives in the morning.
n dyad, there is some displacement and readjustment of dominant priorities: attempting to predict the behavior Gabin, Dostoevsky has to put more emphasis on his creative function Ne, "intuition of opportunities". His leading function of "ethics of relations" begins to fade into the background for two reasons: EII notices that SLI is very sensitive to any ethical analysis and sorting out of relations, and, in addition, over time, EII becomes more sure that his partner is loyal and dedicated, but not too obligated to fulfill his promises - and this fact makes the EII rely even more on his intuition - that is, attempt to act more flexibly and spontaneously i.e. irrationally.
Thus, EII begins to take on the subtype of IEE. Still, here are a couple of questions: How well can he take on this subtype? How will this development affect his actions and his behavior? How will this mend his relationship with SLI?
The answer to these questions is well illustrated by an example of a married couple who had lived in such activity union for over sixty years. Here the woman is of type EII and the man is of type SLI. They met, became friends and fell in love while they were still in early adolescence. They spent time together in a company of mutual friends and very quickly started feeling pulled towards each other. Very soon everyone was thinking of them as the "bride" and the "groom", although the "bride" was still a girl and related to her "groom" as an elder brother (since both of them grew up without parents and were left to themselves). They married right after the revolution - he had just served in the army, and during
I love you and applejacks who never so much needed to consider an analysis of me to be able to tell from my nature and using your intuition about the dynamics of my family to figure out that I'm a part of your wonderful and warm group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Yes. She wrote about it. When I find it I'll link it to you.Quote:
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Aw thanks. Other types' analytic analysis's probably seem boring to some of us. IEEs often have a quick and sure knowing, and can sometimes be highly accurate with it. And yes, Deltas can seem to us Delta's to be wonderful and warm... to others, Delta's are too serious or dull, can't have fun, too restrained, etc...Quote:
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Great! I'd like to see it!Quote:
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:love: I just linked it by mentioning her post to you.Quote:
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You say sometimes as though it was infrequent and mild, rather than frequent aggressive haranguing that is comparable no other individual on the history of this forum. She certainly does not have a natural state of restfulness and inner harmony...she is CONSTANTLY hassling others.Quote:
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I post a thread recently in Anything Goes with photos from throughout my life...she instantly uses it as a resource for attempting to type me elsewhere on the forum. She starts another thread on her type and responds negatively to neutral comments. She starts a thread requesting advice on an intertype relationship issue...instantly escalates things in response to my posts, as though she was responding to an existential threat.
It is part of a long history of such negative behaviours carried out by her, including for example haranguing people in the Delta Lounge thread (and the Delta subforum at large), as well as threads like the Unofficial Members Picture thread...there is an unspoken rule (if not explicitly invoked from time to time) that you do not disrupt such threads with battle-typing or any other hostilities: she was repeatedly gone against this over the years and seems utterly oblivious to this code. There are several individuals who have caused no offence to anyone in the years they have been on this forum only to been hassled and burned by Maritsa. She simply cannot let people be.
As to my thoughts on religion, I don't think hating fundamentalist savagery such as the doctrine of eternal damnation and being in favour of the scientific method are specifically indicative of type in the 21st century. I agree we should aspire to be positive, hence my surprise to learn you still follow Catholic doctrine.
@Maritsa i can see why people might suggest other xxFj types for you. sometimes i think you come across as having Passionate communication style (ExFx), or being Decisive (Se-Ni) or Obstinate (4D Fe or Ti) in Reinin dichotomies. and you continue to clash with many Deltas on the forum, but that could be due to reasons not necessarily related to socionics (i think you could be sx/so stacking which can be intense and divisive, etc.), but socionics reasons shouldn't be discounted, either.
but yea, i don't blame others for not typing you EII, but try not to take it as a personal attack when people question your self-typing. also, try resisting the urge to retype people just because they don't think you're EII. many people won't respond well to your frequent retyping attempts, especially when you don't respond well yourself, when they try retyping you ;) just remember that you're Maritsa, not a type!
Typing others is part of me being a strategic type. Not being Judicious. Because when I decide to go for the goal I do it.I quote the activity relationship down this thread that explains thisQuote:
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Tactical types do it too.Quote:
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They are slowerQuote:
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ok, i think i see your reasoning here, though i'll point out that EIE is also a Strategic type, so this doesn't solely apply to EII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Why are they slower? Because they aren't as focused on the end goal so don't need to arrive at a type right away? Or something else?Quote:
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We both know that EIE could give two shots about making typing of others a serious hobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam