Could I be SLE? LOL

Honestly though.. I've legitimately been considering it only because I focus SO much on :Se: (hidden agenda of EIE) and I seem to have a lot of weird :Fi: related problems .. which could also be explained by EIE totally disregarding :Fi: .. ? I think I just wanted to make a type thread haha. Because I still go between IEI and EIE as well.. so why not throw SLE into the mix?! I feel like if you all met me in person, you might believe the possibility more. :P

Nah I'm just a kitten trying to roar..

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Honestly though.. I've legitimately been considering it only because I focus SO much on :Se: (hidden agenda of EIE) and I seem to have a lot of weird :Fi: related problems .. which could also be explained by EIE totally disregarding :Fi: .. ? I think I just wanted to make a type thread haha. Because I still go between IEI and EIE as well.. so why not throw SLE into the mix?! I feel like if you all met me in person, you might believe the possibility more. :P

Nah I'm just a kitten trying to roar..

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Here's the thing about the ignoring and why it is named so.

Dimensionality of functions. Four dimensions(Ex, No, Si, Te), four functions, two modalities. So, let's take an ESI as an example, shall we? FiSeTiNe II TeNiFeSi or in other words: 4D functions are Fi and Si, 3D functions are Se and Fe, 2D are Ti and Ni and 1D are Ne and Te. There is a pyramidal hierarchy to the functions: people are most comfortable in using their strongest functions. It is not until ignoring function(Fe) until the person begins actually prefering the unconscious functions. Unconscious functions being TeNiFeSi yeah. So, you begin your information gathering and processing and expressing function at your base function: Fi. It is the strongest, most conscious function that determines (no exaggeration here) EVERYTHING you do. Everything is a reflection or due to ESI's relationship towards the object, yeah. After that, you semi-consciously use your Si-so don't be alarmed if you catch yourself in the hedonistic streaks, sunbathing or such. The point is that you use Si EXCLUSIVELY for your own benefit-if you were a SEI, you'd build your entire world(instead of your entire concept of entertainment) around it-meaning you'd use it when interacting with others fully consciously. After your Demo function(Si), you use Se-this is most visible when you are NOT in the comfortable situations, dealing with strangers, that sort of thing(otherwise, you revert to Si). This is best visible when some kind of emergency comes up-you end up using some weird mashup of Si and Se. Consciously, it's mostly Se, but don't be fooled. There's a lot of Si there as well. After Se we come down to the "IGNORING" function-namely Fe. Why is ignoring function named so? Here's a comely example:

Your significant other has made a blunder in a public eye. Your S.O won't back down and keeps on crusading against the masses? What do you do? Naturally so! Most Fi doms completely reject their social graces(which are not little by any standard!) and choose to backup their S.O. Maybe they will even try to disarm the situation by calming their S.O. down. But they won't do what an ESE would do(perhaps even SEI): ESE would apologise to the public for the unacceptable behaviour of their S.O. and practically perforate their relation because COMMUNITY MUST NOT BE HARMED! Do you see the difference? Naturally! And why is it so?

Because when put into such a situation, ESI's Fi completely eclipses their Fe and they go into a sort of a tunnel vision-even if they don't act like it usually. The same happens with ExE Fe and their Ign Fi, SxE Se and their Si. THAT is why it is called "Ignorant" situation. It's not that you completely ignore it 24 / 7-the hell no. It's too strong to be ignored! It's just that it goes vs an unfortunate adversary, a completely imbalanced matchup to be sure: vs the base function. It's only natural that it gets stomped. But it only gets stomped in the "EITHER OR" situation(some kind of a crisis-perceived or real). Otherwise, you can and most likely will use your Ign function-even if use unconsciously.

So, in a "crisis" situation what gets eclipsed? Fi by Fe, Ne by Ni or Si by Se? I could describe few of such situations-in fact the Fi-Fe situation has already been described.

Did any of this help?

make a video interview so your type could be checked

I think you are EIE. You're a bit more assertive/wild than the typical IEI but yeah you don't really "roar" like an SLE or whatever. Also female SLEs are still females so they aren't going to come off as "strong" as the male ones. But I still can't see you as SLE at all. As they are more naturally logical, and you clearly have so much Fe.

I think you just need some attention , so /hug.

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Honestly though.. I've legitimately been considering it only because I focus SO much on :Se: (hidden agenda of EIE) and I seem to have a lot of weird :Fi: related problems .. which could also be explained by EIE totally disregarding :Fi: .. ? I think I just wanted to make a type thread haha. Because I still go between IEI and EIE as well.. so why not throw SLE into the mix?! I feel like if you all met me in person, you might believe the possibility more. :P

Nah I'm just a kitten trying to roar..

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That's so weird, that you think your HA could be your main function. I just noticed something similar with one of my oldest friends, who I typed SEE bc it was so obvious to me. She is super, super Ni-seeking, hippie, pleasant to be around and knows tons of people. By chance we started talking about personality theory, and she told me with complete confidence, "I'm INFP!"

It really made me think about how we understand and project socionics - so much of it is based on how we choose to understand ourselves.

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Honestly though.. I've legitimately been considering it only because I focus SO much on :Se: (hidden agenda of EIE) and I seem to have a lot of weird :Fi: related problems .. which could also be explained by EIE totally disregarding :Fi: .. ? I think I just wanted to make a type thread haha. Because I still go between IEI and EIE as well.. so why not throw SLE into the mix?! I feel like if you all met me in person, you might believe the possibility more. :P

Nah I'm just a kitten trying to roar..

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EIE is definitely prone to having some issues with Fi/Ti. (It's really the low Ti and the ignored Fi together)

You are way too confident in Fe expression to be SLE. A bit too scattered to be Ti ego, as well :)

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That's so weird, that you think your HA could be your main function. I just noticed something similar with one of my oldest friends, who I typed SEE bc it was so obvious to me. She is super, super Ni-seeking, hippie, pleasant to be around and knows tons of people. By chance we started talking about personality theory, and she told me with complete confidence, "I'm INFP!"

It really made me think about how we understand and project socionics - so much of it is based on how we choose to understand ourselves.

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Yeah, that, and the way one conceptualizes typology theories. Mistaking HA for Base though is a relatively common mistake, or so I hear. I sometimes almost start to consider Ni base for myself, lol. I realize though that it's just me focusing on Ni stuff in that moment; also noticing some superficial similarities to other types that are not specific enough to type and are not at all to do with the core of Model A.

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Here's the thing about the ignoring and why it is named so.

Dimensionality of functions. Four dimensions(Ex, No, Si, Te), four functions, two modalities. So, let's take an ESI as an example, shall we? FiSeTiNe II TeNiFeSi or in other words: 4D functions are Fi and Si, 3D functions are Se and Fe, 2D are Ti and Ni and 1D are Ne and Te. There is a pyramidal hierarchy to the functions: people are most comfortable in using their strongest functions. It is not until ignoring function(Fe) until the person begins actually prefering the unconscious functions. Unconscious functions being TeNiFeSi yeah. So, you begin your information gathering and processing and expressing function at your base function: Fi. It is the strongest, most conscious function that determines (no exaggeration here) EVERYTHING you do. Everything is a reflection or due to ESI's relationship towards the object, yeah. After that, you semi-consciously use your Si-so don't be alarmed if you catch yourself in the hedonistic streaks, sunbathing or such. The point is that you use Si EXCLUSIVELY for your own benefit-if you were a SEI, you'd build your entire world(instead of your entire concept of entertainment) around it-meaning you'd use it when interacting with others fully consciously. After your Demo function(Si), you use Se-this is most visible when you are NOT in the comfortable situations, dealing with strangers, that sort of thing(otherwise, you revert to Si). This is best visible when some kind of emergency comes up-you end up using some weird mashup of Si and Se. Consciously, it's mostly Se, but don't be fooled. There's a lot of Si there as well. After Se we come down to the "IGNORING" function-namely Fe. Why is ignoring function named so? Here's a comely example:

Your significant other has made a blunder in a public eye. Your S.O won't back down and keeps on crusading against the masses? What do you do? Naturally so! Most Fi doms completely reject their social graces(which are not little by any standard!) and choose to backup their S.O. Maybe they will even try to disarm the situation by calming their S.O. down. But they won't do what an ESE would do(perhaps even SEI): ESE would apologise to the public for the unacceptable behaviour of their S.O. and practically perforate their relation because COMMUNITY MUST NOT BE HARMED! Do you see the difference? Naturally! And why is it so?

Because when put into such a situation, ESI's Fi completely eclipses their Fe and they go into a sort of a tunnel vision-even if they don't act like it usually. The same happens with ExE Fe and their Ign Fi, SxE Se and their Si. THAT is why it is called "Ignorant" situation. It's not that you completely ignore it 24 / 7-the hell no. It's too strong to be ignored! It's just that it goes vs an unfortunate adversary, a completely imbalanced matchup to be sure: vs the base function. It's only natural that it gets stomped. But it only gets stomped in the "EITHER OR" situation(some kind of a crisis-perceived or real). Otherwise, you can and most likely will use your Ign function-even if use unconsciously.

So, in a "crisis" situation what gets eclipsed? Fi by Fe, Ne by Ni or Si by Se? I could describe few of such situations-in fact the Fi-Fe situation has already been described.

Did any of this help?

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I could not read any of this lmao.. I'm sorry.

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I think you are EIE. You're a bit more assertive/wild than the typical IEI but yeah you don't really "roar" like an SLE or whatever. Also female SLEs are still females so they aren't going to come off as "strong" as the male ones. But I still can't see you as SLE at all. As they are more naturally logical, and you clearly have so much Fe.

I think you just need some attention , so /hug.

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Teehee yes, I did want attention *hug back. How does SLE :Fe: seeking come across? Is it not also sort of ploying for that sort of affection/attention? I've always had a real problem with knowing how people feel about me unless they express it very obviously/intensely.. Aren't Fe Egos more skilled at this? I know I'm confident at displaying :Fe: myself, but it's almost like I deeply crave it from others as well, to the point where it feels like my hidden agenda.. ?

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That's so weird, that you think your HA could be your main function. I just noticed something similar with one of my oldest friends, who I typed SEE bc it was so obvious to me. She is super, super Ni-seeking, hippie, pleasant to be around and knows tons of people. By chance we started talking about personality theory, and she told me with complete confidence, "I'm INFP!"

It really made me think about how we understand and project socionics - so much of it is based on how we choose to understand ourselves.

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If she is SEE, her HA would actually be :Te:, not :Ni:

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EIE is definitely prone to having some issues with Fi/Ti. (It's really the low Ti and the ignored Fi together)

You are way too confident in Fe expression to be SLE. A bit too scattered to be Ti ego, as well :)




Yeah, that, and the way one conceptualizes typology theories. Mistaking HA for Base though is a relatively common mistake, or so I hear. I sometimes almost start to consider Ni base for myself, lol. I realize though that it's just me focusing on Ni stuff in that moment; also noticing some superficial similarities to other types that are not specific enough to type and are not at all to do with the core of Model A.

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Can you describe what you mean by low Fi/Ti issues? I agree I am scattered :D

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I could not read any of this lmao.. I'm sorry.

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But why not? It can't be shortened because a problem needs to be identified, analysed, contrasted with a similar problem(so its properties become visible) and ultimately elaborated / defined. That is just what I did...or?

It contains some pretty insightful things ;) .

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Teehee yes, I did want attention *hug back. How does SLE :Fe: seeking come across? Is it not also sort of ploying for that sort of affection/attention? I've always had a real problem with knowing how people feel about me unless they express it very obviously/intensely.. Aren't Fe Egos more skilled at this? I know I'm confident at displaying :Fe: myself, but it's almost like I deeply crave it from others as well, to the point where it feels like my hidden agenda.. ?

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I've heard EIEs say it before that they do want to get some of what they put in back from others. Perfectly reasonable as well. Maybe this is what you are talking about?

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Can you describe what you mean by low Fi/Ti issues? I agree I am scattered :D

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Boundary issues, regulating relationships, etc. What are your "weird Fi related problems" like?

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I could not read any of this lmao.. I'm sorry.

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I'm supposedly Ti ego and I've had some difficulty understanding some of @nondescripts post myself lol.

As I see it, he basically said that the ignoring function gets put on the back burner in most situations in favor of the base function. Because the ignoring function usually gets, well, ignored, this can lead to consequences when you ignore it when it turns out to be the more appropriate option, hence your Fi problems. However you can still use it when you are in a situation where there is a very clear and obvious demand for it, unlike the polr function which is completely helpless.

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If you ask @Ananke, she still believes you are SEE.

I've considered SEE for you as well as SEI. No, I don't necessarily think you're my dual. I've considered other types than ILE for myself. I don't necessarily think we're even in the same quadra. But for you, I can definitely see either Se or Si first. And no, I don't see any Ti. None. No ability to summarize, synthesize, or classify information. You are pretty much devoid of Ti. SLE is way out of the question. Yes, little kitten, save the roaring for the real SLEs.

I can see either EIE, IEI, SEI, ESE, or SEE. It depends how you classify Fe versus Fi and Se versus Si. I'm more likely to type you as a Sensor than Intuitive. I don't see much Ni or Ne. Beta NF is still *possible*, with Fe-subtype for either Beta NF. But one thing is certain - no Ti. None. Definitely not SLE.

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No ability to classify, synthesize, or summarize information eh? That makes me sound absolutely retarded hahahhaahah.

So why do you think S > N

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1. Pretty much everything you do is in-the-moment. I don't see any Ni Beta NF warnings of the repercussions of starting something which will lead to a disaster later down the road, or patience when it comes to different viewpoints. Your style is drastically different than someone like Starfall. She might like you and 'claim' you as a Beta NF because she likes you, but that doesn't mean functionally that you're a Beta NF. Consider how she or other IEIs or ILIs act when they don't like someone or don't like an idea - they may distance themselves from it or criticize it passive-aggressively. But no, you tend to charge head-on into the conflict. Even an EIE can be more behind-the-scenes, if you consider someone like Jadae - you, however, are more in-the-moment.

2. There's little to no understanding of patience over time or seeing the sequence of how things progress. I haven't seen any ability from you to delve to the true essence of things, or to vocalize your impressions in the way Ni egos do.

3. You have little patience for pure theory, preferring to learn conversationally. @nondescript already spelled out a very theoretical answer for you which you blatantly shot down with a smug "I could not read any of this lmao.. I'm sorry." It's not a *bad* thing, it's just people learn in different ways - and typically Sensors struggle more with pure theory.

4. There's also very little randomness or generation of new connections/ideas/theories for you to be Ne-ego. Ne-ego for you is also completely out of the question. You don't easily see how things are connected or related to one another.

Those are simply my impressions. I think being SF is much more likely for you, be it Gamma SF or Alpha SF - again, however you classify Fe & Fi and Se and Si. I would personally lean more towards SEE for you - it has the same Se-leading which you are now considering, but no Ti.

And not to be rude about it, but to hammer my point home of no Ti - I also think there is something to be said of a start date of October 2005, and almost 10 years later, in September 2015, to be still wondering one's type, and whether you have the ability to analyze new pieces of information like a Ti ego would. I don't think a true Ti-ego would be wondering their type 10 years later - at least not likely, without a valid reason.

I apologize if any of this was overly critical or rude, but I'm trying to keep it constructive. Have a good day.

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LOL Nah I didn't take any of this as rude, cause I know you and you're a harmless friendly dude.

But let me respond:

1. Your description of Beta Ni "warning of impending doom" is extremely stereotypical and honestly -- when the heck did other IEIs ever do this on the forum? I've always kinda disliked that description of :Ni: anyway and I don't think it makes real sense unless you're in a battle situation or something lol.. In re: to different viewpoints -- how is this an :Ni: related thing? If anything, I know of many IEIs who are VERY staunch on their specific ideologies, etc, and that is due to their :Ti: HA. Very, very common on this forum as well -- take strrrng for example. Gilly was an EIE and he PLUNGED into conflict similarly to me. However, again -- I always felt akin but also different to the EIEs on this forum, as well as IEIs. I agree I am "in the moment".

2. I have no patience, this is true LOL.. everyone IRL knows this about me. But is it related to type? Who knows. However, I definitely display ability to process and vocalize impressions related to time.. I'm very obsessed with patterns, nostalgia, "delving into the essence" of something as you describe... aka what is the meaning of so & so movie or song? I am constantly very attuned to things like that.

3. Pure theory .. Socionics is pure theory LOL! Nondescript's essay just hurt my head and that is not :Ti: to me. It almost sounded foreign, and I couldn't follow it, also he was using the example of an ESI for 80% of what he wrote... so I didn't get the logic there. I have never struggled with theory in my entire real life -- I have only struggled with the practical portion of learning. I am currently in a Master's of Science Occupational Therapy program & the only thing I have difficulty with is "common sense" stuff.. I have always excelled academically .. like REALLY excelled -- scholarships and such to do my undergraduate degree in psychology.. graduated w/ high distinction, etc. I suppose I come across as a little ditzy not only on the forum but also in person at times, until I really buckle down and feel like having a good conversation or debate.

4. Nope, I agree I do not have strength in or value :Ne:

And to address the thing about me questioning my type 10 years later (OH GOD I'VE BEEN ON HERE 10 YEARS) ... I really haven't, I've set on Beta NF, EIE for the longest time.. it's just been a bumbling thought in my mind and I wanted to create a type thread about MOI. :) I do know that I was considering SEE as well.. that's also possible -- I truly think that if someone were interacting with me IRL, their first impression would be SEE.. but deep down I can't be.. I value :Fe: incredibly too much and it's obvious

Also let me add that reading over old and current posts I make - I know I come across very exaggerated, and this is how I speak IRL 100%.. I'm not the best at being articulate verbally, and I have again, that problem of coming across ditzy.. but when I sit down and write a paper, or even a journal entry, it come across really quite beautiful (not to brag, but yes to brag) ... I've always been much better at the written word but on the forum I just don't care and I don't think before I type.

I keep thinking of things I want to mention.. I've always thought this was :Ti: dual-seeking.. I have a HUGE need for structure and others to BREAK SHIT DOWN for me in a very easy, step by step manner.. synthesizing information.. I am an exceptionally curious person and always am asking others to provide me factual information or WHY so & so is such & such way. I really admire people who are simply .. knowledgeable. It's so calming.

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But why not? It can't be shortened because a problem needs to be identified, analysed, contrasted with a similar problem(so its properties become visible) and ultimately elaborated / defined. That is just what I did...or?

It contains some pretty insightful things ;) .

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i found it hard to read as well. (ie i skipped it, i just tried rereading, and it still seems skippabled)

maybe you need to work on your presentation skills.

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I keep thinking of things I want to mention.. I've always thought this was :Ti: dual-seeking.. I have a HUGE need for structure and others to BREAK SHIT DOWN for me in a very easy, step by step manner.. synthesizing information.. I am an exceptionally curious person and always am asking others to provide me factual information or WHY so & so is such & such way. I really admire people who are simply .. knowledgeable. It's so calming.

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break down what?

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i found it hard to read as well. (ie i skipped it, i just tried rereading, and it still seems skippabled)

maybe you need to work on your presentation skills.

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My problem reading it was the presentation actually. It would have been easier to read broken down into smaller paragraphs and without so many words in all CAPS.

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My problem reading it was the presentation actually. It would have been easier to read broken down into smaller paragraphs and without so many words in all CAPS.

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Why, that post oughta be a test of Fe ego lol! Almost every Fe ego reacted the same, while others reacted normally. Question: Do you Fe-egos have trouble reading the likes of DarkAngelFireWolf69, Jung and the like as well?

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Why, that post oughta be a test of Fe ego lol! Almost every Fe ego reacted the same, while others reacted normally. Question: Do you Fe-egos have trouble reading the likes of DarkAngelFireWolf69, Jung and the like as well?

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I understood what you wrote. I just like it broken into smaller paragraphs and without the caps. The caps were distracting for me since they seem to jump off the page. When I read I can take in a lot of words all at once. I kind of see each paragraph as a whole volume of info but the more words in it makes it harder to get the over all essence of what is being said, I don't read much DarkAngelFireWolf69 on my own since I don't have a big draw to him. I will read quotes. I have no problem reading Jung except most of it looks like a wall of text online.

Edit: I don't mean to criticize you. I used to be a spelling, grammar and punctuation Nazi but then one day I decided there was more to life than getting hung up on such things. I rarely proofread before posting anymore because I used to get paralyzed by my own proofreading. Used to take me an hour to post a short paragraph. Let me tell you that was stressful. So go on and do your thing. Those drawn to read it will and those who aren't won't. That's just the way it is...

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Why, that post oughta be a test of Fe ego lol! Almost every Fe ego reacted the same, while others reacted normally. Question: Do you Fe-egos have trouble reading the likes of DarkAngelFireWolf69, Jung and the like as well?

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It was tricky to follow and relied to heavily on terminology abstraction in place of actual substance. Having sais that, you made some great points about dimensionalities of the functions with appropriate IE for ESI in particular. Still, you never gave any insights into her type as you failed to mention much about her as a person.

Also, I feel this question your are asking is irrelevant. Fe egos are perfectly capable of grasping complex written language. Are you seriously comparing your analysis with DarkAngelFireWolf69's and Jung's? Not really in the same league.
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It was tricky to follow and relied to heavily on terminology abstraction in place of actual substance. Having sais that, you made some great points about dimensionalities of the functions with appropriate IE for ESI in particular. Still, you never gave any insights into her type as you failed to mention much about her as a person.

Also, I feel this question your are asking is irrelevant. Fe egos are perfectly capable of grasping complex written language. Are you seriously comparing your analysis with DarkAngelFireWolf69's and Jung's? Not really in the same league.
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When it wasn't meant to say anything. It was supposed, as was clearly written at the end, to make her question herself whether she shuts down the Fi or Si during the "critical" moment.

Also, thank you for your comments ;) .

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I agree I am "in the moment".

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I have always excelled academically .. like REALLY excelled -- scholarships and such to do my undergraduate degree in psychology.. graduated w/ high distinction, etc

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Well that's not really S/N related because I'm similar to you with that. Maybe the issue you have with "common sense" stuff is S/N related, depending on what sort of stuff exactly that is.

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And to address the thing about me questioning my type 10 years later (OH GOD I'VE BEEN ON HERE 10 YEARS) ... I really haven't, I've set on Beta NF, EIE for the longest time.. it's just been a bumbling thought in my mind and I wanted to create a type thread about MOI. :) I do know that I was considering SEE as well.. that's also possible -- I truly think that if someone were interacting with me IRL, their first impression would be SEE.. but deep down I can't be.. I value :Fe: incredibly too much and it's obvious

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Why would you think the first impression would be SEE? How do you value Fe?

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I keep thinking of things I want to mention.. I've always thought this was :Ti: dual-seeking.. I have a HUGE need for structure and others to BREAK SHIT DOWN for me in a very easy, step by step manner.. synthesizing information.. I am an exceptionally curious person and always am asking others to provide me factual information or WHY so & so is such & such way. I really admire people who are simply .. knowledgeable. It's so calming.

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This is generic T superid, you mention both Ti and Te aspects.


Can you answer my post too? (Post #13)


PS: not saying you must be SEE, I hardly know you; just curious.

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Why, that post oughta be a test of Fe ego lol! Almost every Fe ego reacted the same, while others reacted normally. Question: Do you Fe-egos have trouble reading the likes of DarkAngelFireWolf69, Jung and the like as well?

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Jung and DarkAngelFireWolf69 don't write in the manner you do. They actually flesh out what each concept means.

I didn't have a problem reading your post, tho', it was just a highly personalized expression of your understanding of the theory

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I'm supposedly Ti ego and I've had some difficulty understanding some of @nondescripts post myself lol.

As I see it, he basically said that the ignoring function gets put on the back burner in most situations in favor of the base function. Because the ignoring function usually gets, well, ignored, this can lead to consequences when you ignore it when it turns out to be the more appropriate option, hence your Fi problems. However you can still use it when you are in a situation where there is a very clear and obvious demand for it, unlike the polr function which is completely helpless.

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I'd note again that the low Ti also factors into the issues along with that Fi ignoring. I would think the ignoring function usually easily contributes to the base function's needs, it is only ignored in the sense that it's a slave to the base by letting the base function have the products of the ignoring function shaped into its own agenda. But yes, when the base function does not need any contribution from the ignoring, it will get completely ignored and will appear weak then.

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If you ask @Ananke, she still believes you are SEE.

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Honestly on its own it means nothing what one person types another person. Not really very relevant reasoning to contribute to a final conclusion.

Lol about Ti egos not considering types 10 years later, @Satan has just posted in this thread, he's a prime example of such a Ti ego.

I agree on the low Ti, definitely 1D, nothing new there. As for charging into a conflict, I don't see that as any sort of decisive factor for typing, again. I've seen EIE do this. (Definitely EIE, not SEE) What we need to consider here is whether that in-the-moment thing is Se orientation without Ni or Fe orientation without Ti.

Why bother with weakish correlations of concrete examples and traits here when they will never result in an unambiguous typing?

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Jung and DarkAngelFireWolf69 don't write in the manner you do. They actually flesh out what each concept means.

I didn't have a problem reading your post, tho', it was just a highly personalized expression of your understanding of the theory

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Of course they do! I can barely read them(especially Carl) due to heavily academised speech pattern. But I have all sorts of trouble reading and even understanding what alpha NTs want or say. I...lose attention almost immediately when they open their mouth.

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Of course they do! I can barely read them(especially Carl) due to heavily academised speech pattern. But I have all sorts of trouble reading and even understanding what alpha NTs want or say. I...lose attention almost immediately when they open their mouth.

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They do... write in the manner you do or they flesh out the concepts? :p

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They do... write in the manner you do or they flesh out the concepts? :p

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What I meant was that "of course they do write differently / of course they do don't write like me". It's weird, I know.

Also, I should really stop derailing. It goes vs my beliefs, but my wishes to speak my stances are so strong!

Meh derailing trollmaster 9000.

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

I keep thinking of things I want to mention.. I've always thought this was :Ti: dual-seeking.. I have a HUGE need for structure and others to BREAK SHIT DOWN for me in a very easy, step by step manner.. synthesizing information.. I am an exceptionally curious person and always am asking others to provide me factual information or WHY so & so is such & such way. I really admire people who are simply .. knowledgeable. It's so calming.

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Well then Ti-DS fits you well. Ti/j reduce things to the essential, letting you know just what "you need to know" - which you probably agree with.
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Separately: I know your problem here is with Fe Ego, but just saying that I find your type most likely ESE. Beta NFs hold much on their image, while you were always sincere and direct. I am not saying here that Beta NFs may not be themselves, on the contrary, just they are different (their self is somewhat "synthetic", instead of "organic"). I was reminded about and advanced into thinking that recently, in your "single and looking" thread, whatever it was called. You don't play the dating game. Seriously? If the dating game is just one thing then it is Beta NF! It's in the descriptions how what matters most to these types is how they present themselves to others (including themselves). If it counts, it's also my experience, I am always advised by them (Beta NF) how to behave and handle these situations "smoothly". Yea right! XD

I know the ESE type is (wrongly) deprecated within this community, so I have no high expectations from this. But hey, I am telling the most reasonable thing I can. :P

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Originally Posted by William

:thumbsup: Glad to know I'm not the only potential ILE who thinks she may potentially be Alpha SF.

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Cool! Note that I would rather go with EIE than SEI as a second option.

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Originally Posted by The Ineffable

Beta NFs hold much on their image, while you were always sincere and direct. I am not saying here that Beta NFs may not be themselves, on the contrary, just they are different (their self is somewhat "synthetic", instead of "organic"). I was reminded about and advanced into thinking that recently, in your "single and looking" thread, whatever it was called. You don't play the dating game. Seriously? If the dating game is just one thing then it is Beta NF! It's in the descriptions how what matters most to these types is how they present themselves to others (including themselves). If it counts, it's also my experience, I am always advised by them (Beta NF) how to behave and handle these situations "smoothly". Yea right! XD

I know the ESE type is (wrongly) deprecated within this community, so I have no high expectations from this. But hey, I am telling the most reasonable thing I can. :P

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Great observations that are true of me. My image is of great importance to me. But I was not aware of how greatly image was behind all that I did and said. Until I began examining myself. Now I am able to step back and understand why I say and do things. I am a little kinder to myself thanks to Socionics. Attention to your IMAGE is frowned on in my world. But thankfully I can be at peace with myself.

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Originally Posted by William

Your statement is true, but Ananke isn't just any 'one person'. Not sure if you've gotten the opportunity to interact with her in your year here so far, since she hasn't been as active lately, but Ananke is a girl who self-types as SLE and is commonly accepted as SLE within the community. So her opinion regarding SL potentially typing as SLE is extremely relevant in this thread. Furthermore, Ananke has been vocal in the past about typing SL as differently than Beta/Beta NF and had typed her as SEE before, and Ananke's typings are ones I view as interesting and important to consider (even if not infallible).

Of course, not to imply that judgment based on consensus won't ever lead to errors, since it certainly can and often does, but being accepted by the people of a certain type AS that type, and having them see similarities first-hand between you and themselves, is important to consider. I hope you can see the relevance of a female SLE typing someone as not an SLE would make sense in this discussion. I mentioned Ananke with the hopes she may see this and weigh in on her opinion currently, but we will see if she appears or not.

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I'm not wondering about SL being SLE because clearly she is not. But whatever other type any forum member has in mind for her on its own is not going to say much. The reasoning behind will say more.

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Originally Posted by William

You tell me then. What is the point in being here? If you can throw darts blindly in the dark, should you, or is it better not to throw the dart at all?

Proficiency increases over time.

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I don't think proficiency in hitting the target by throwing darts blindly in the dark will improve over time. What's more, this isn't the only option to typing.

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Originally Posted by William

Not sure if you're intentionally trying to sound Te-ignoring and Ti-leading, but you do. Perhaps you're a strange LSI e8 combination afterall. Anyway, hopefully Ananke can provide her own Ti-reasoning for you, not just against the SLE typing but in favor of the SEE typing, if that's what she still considers, or if she has another type in mind that she considers more favorable now for SL.

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Not intentional. :) Yeah, if Ananke chimes in here I'll be happy to read about her thoughts.

Hey Scarlett : )

I have no strong evidence about your type, just wanted to chime in with observations of your writing style over time. There's something in the way you make new threads, new inquairies about your type and love life that is so random and with a happy go lucky attitude - like you don't have a specific agenda behind it, a specific goal you want to reach with these threads, you're just kinda entertaining yourself. Me for example, whenever I make a thread, I have a strong opinion and want to convince everybody of it, so if I'd for example made a thread "Am I SLE?" that would mean "I am sure I am SLE at this moment in time (which may very well change in a few minutes :D) and you better all agree with me mofos" And if I'd be somehow subtle about my intentions, it would be just not to appear too obnoxious.

It seems like you don't particularly care where the threads will go and what type people may suggest for you - , it won't hurt your feelings either way : )You are also always looking for outside imput almost without reservations, it seems you are very dependant on it - like if enough people would say you must be SLE (the same goes for some other types), you would seriously consider it. This kind of unassumingness is something unusual for Beta NF's - and again, speaks against image concern.

Things I think you're definitely not: IEI, SLE
Possible: SEE/EIE > Alpha SF (i know, i know lol)

As far as I see you, there's a strong chance you're SEE (just the less obviously extroverted kind) and it's the Se and Fi enthusiastic combination that's giving the false impression of Fe. EIE is not a bad typing, but there's always this nagging voice in my head that you're a sensor - the way you approach the theory, talk about your life...

Oh and yeah....where exactly does the idea about ESE's (as alpha SF's) not being image conscious comes from? They're like people who most of all try to look and act perfect at all times. And they're not particularly humble or always genuine either.

Wow hahah people really still don't think I'm EIE. I honestly never knew until now people had doubts about that.. seems like SEE is the main type being considered, and now ESE is being suggested..

I really, really, really am not ESE. I am the anti-thesis of ESE, imo. I have strong :Ni: and very, very weak :Si: that manifests in itself being very concerned / uncomfortable with health, food, day to day activities.. Unable to relax, unable to take care of these "trivial matters" as I see them... I can't understand the sensations in my body and I'm hyper aware as a result, I have had bouts of hypochondria and such. Also, I completely resonate with Beta quadra themes -- very passionate, conquering despite suffering, the drama + emotionalism..

To be perfectly honest I *KNOW* I'm extraverted Beta and yeah, I do tend to come across random I suppose and happy go lucky... but that's when I'm actually happy in life. I've recently gone through a very dark time in my life and now this is the true me, I suppose.

Sorry, I'll reply more later.

No? LOL

EIE

I am not going to comment on your type since I don't have much to go on. You weren't really around when I joined and you don't seem to frequent the forum as much as others.

I do know that SEE, IEE and ESE can feel right at home in a room full of betas and totally vibe with them. I am only going by people I know irl though. Social and sexual instincts might be in play too when this happens.

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Originally Posted by darya

Oh and yeah....where exactly does the idea about ESE's (as alpha SF's) not being image conscious comes from? They're like people who most of all try to look and act perfect at all times. And they're not particularly humble or always genuine either.

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OK, well perhaps it is just a matter of proper terms. What if we use "character" instead of "image", makes more sense? Whoever keeps the type descriptions in mind, and the difference between Alpha SF and Beta NF, would know what it is about, it's all there. However, you are right that "image" is quite an ambiguous term and greatly depends on the context, it may mean both "looks/aspect" or "character/persona", with the later being used here, denothing this Beta NF particularity.

Re genuineness: not sure how can we define it to accomodate them all - but I think Alpha SFs are rather prone to tell what they feel in a straightforward manner, to the point of being naïve or deconspire themselves when not intended, while Beta NFs use strategies for certain impacts. Sure, they are not pragmatist either, I'm not saying that.

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

Wow hahah people really still don't think I'm EIE. I honestly never knew until now people had doubts about that.. seems like SEE is the main type being considered, and now ESE is being suggested..

I really, really, really am not ESE. I am the anti-thesis of ESE, imo. I have strong :Ni: and very, very weak :Si: that manifests in itself being very concerned / uncomfortable with health, food, day to day activities.. Unable to relax, unable to take care of these "trivial matters" as I see them... I can't understand the sensations in my body and I'm hyper aware as a result, I have had bouts of hypochondria and such. Also, I completely resonate with Beta quadra themes -- very passionate, conquering despite suffering, the drama + emotionalism..

To be perfectly honest I *KNOW* I'm extraverted Beta and yeah, I do tend to come across random I suppose and happy go lucky... but that's when I'm actually happy in life. I've recently gone through a very dark time in my life and now this is the true me, I suppose.

Sorry, I'll reply more later.

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What you wrote here does sound EIE enough. I still don't see SLE tho'.

Also, I was talking to someone about Fe demonstrative and EIE > SEE is more likely by what we discussed. According to them, there are no SEE's that use Fe in the way you do, as your Fe is very vibrant, persistent and somewhat explosive in nature. In the case of SEE and IEE, in comparison to EIE's Fe which is too bright from the POV of Fe PoLR, it's like there's a shade over Fe demonstrative emotionality so it's dimmer but for that reason more pleasant to the Fe PoLR types.

One more thing, I saw your photos in an older thread, you VI as EIE or at least beta NF pretty much, tho' I'm not big on/am skeptical about VI in most cases, I do have a clear enough opinion on yours.

And no worries take your time with the replies but yea I would definitely like to hear from you about my earlier post :) Even though I do lean towards EIE for you, I'm still interested in that.

I too vote for EIE for the OP. I don't get any SLE vibes at all. Too much Fe for IEI.

I don't think you are SEE either because SEE's absolutely hate admitting that they don't know something. When they are forced to get an ask someone for an answer, they want the shortest and most straightforward answer possible. You on the other hand constantly seek out the opinions of others. An SEE having people constantly break things down in fine detail for them would be like, "FUCK U I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING DON'T TRY TO TELL ME DIFFERENTLY YOU DIPSHIT!!!!".

Fe base is super obvious. I don't know enough to make a judgement between ESE and EIE, but you say you have Si problems, so I'll take your word for it and go with EIE.

Ftr my opinion is not strong either way, so I'm perfectly fine with EIE. SEE doesn't make perfect sense anyway. Not to mention I've never even seen you talk : )

What I'm not on board with is typing primarily by quadra values. There's a bunch of other types that often come off very Beta, passionate or whatever, as @Aylen has mentioned, plenty of sp lasts and EPs, E7's. Also, every LSI I've known is the opposite of Beta.

I'm also not down with "Beta extrovert" way of typing. EIE and SLE girls are not similar at all in most cases (that goes for LSI and IEI as well or any other activity relation ), but I know many disagree.

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What I'm not on board with is typing primarily by quadra values. There's a bunch of other types that often come off very Beta, passionate or whatever, as @Aylen has mentioned, plenty of sp lasts and EPs, E7's. Also, every LSI I've known is the opposite of Beta.

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Yeah I'm kinda like, the stereotypical Beta is such EIE stuff. If you read a bit deeper then it's not just about that stuff, though :p So I never had issues with determining that I relate to Beta quadra the most.

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I'm also not down with "Beta extrovert" way of typing. EIE and SLE girls are not similar at all in most cases (that goes for LSI and IEI as well or any other activity relation ), but I know many disagree.

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I think on the surface they can appear similar for a short time. EIE/SLE and IEI/LSI. It's superficial, sure. But it's fooled me before, well mostly when I was more of a beginner.

I think on the surface they can appear similar for a short time. EIE/SLE and IEI/LSI. It's superficial, sure. But it's fooled me before, well mostly when I was more of a beginner.[/QUOTE]

We'll have to agree to disagree :P I've noticed these kind of mess ups happen when you only watch a person for a very limited time (as in a video) and you start to over-analyze. Otherwise, if you know them, no way you confuse LSI with IEI, completely different people.

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I think on the surface they can appear similar for a short time. EIE/SLE and IEI/LSI. It's superficial, sure. But it's fooled me before, well mostly when I was more of a beginner.

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We'll have to agree to disagree :P I've noticed these kind of mess ups happen when you only watch a person for a very limited time (as in a video) and you start to over-analyze. Otherwise, if you know them, no way you confuse LSI with IEI, completely different people.

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Note I did say it's for a short time. Nothing to disagree about here.

I'm dating an SLE, whose dad is LSI, and the SLE's diminished Ni is painfully OBVIOUS - SeTiFeNi

Since I'm feeling rather disturbed by your lack of discernment and generous at the same time, famous female SLEs include: Cameron Diaz, Fergie, Jennifer Aniston, Marilyn Monroe and Lucille Ball ... "I Love Lucy" ... while female LSIs include: Scarlett Johansson, Julia Roberts, Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel and Angela Lansbury.

And the most unbelievable thing about all of these Beta antics is that my EIE aunt, who's Socionics ignorant, recently mentioned Hillary Clinton LSI and Lucille Ball SLE on her own accord - Hillary Clinton wanting to become our first female president and Lucille Ball being highly ingenious and astute in her use of slapstick humor.
LSIs are natural dictators while SLEs are conquerors. :shrug:

Last but not least, if LSIs are paranoids (Ti dominants with Se egos) then SLEs (Se egos with Ti and Fe internalized functions in constant turmoil Se[TiFe]Ni) are borderlines, as in Borderline Personality Disorder.

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Originally Posted by William

1. Pretty much everything you do is in-the-moment. I don't see any Ni Beta NF warnings of the repercussions of starting something which will lead to a disaster later down the road, or patience when it comes to different viewpoints. Your style is drastically different than someone like Starfall. She might like you and 'claim' you as a Beta NF because she likes you, but that doesn't mean functionally that you're a Beta NF. Consider how she or other IEIs or ILIs act when they don't like someone or don't like an idea - they may distance themselves from it or criticize it passive-aggressively. But no, you tend to charge head-on into the conflict. Even an EIE can be more behind-the-scenes, if you consider someone like Jadae - you, however, are more in-the-moment.

2. There's little to no understanding of patience over time or seeing the sequence of how things progress. I haven't seen any ability from you to delve to the true essence of things, or to vocalize your impressions in the way Ni egos do.

3. You have little patience for pure theory, preferring to learn conversationally. @nondescript already spelled out a very theoretical answer for you which you blatantly shot down with a smug "I could not read any of this lmao.. I'm sorry." It's not a *bad* thing, it's just people learn in different ways - and typically Sensors struggle more with pure theory.

4. There's also very little randomness or generation of new connections/ideas/theories for you to be Ne-ego. Ne-ego for you is also completely out of the question. You don't easily see how things are connected or related to one another.

Those are simply my impressions. I think being SF is much more likely for you, be it Gamma SF or Alpha SF - again, however you classify Fe & Fi and Se and Si. I would personally lean more towards SEE for you - it has the same Se-leading which you are now considering, but no Ti.

And not to be rude about it, but to hammer my point home of no Ti - I also think there is something to be said of a start date of October 2005, and almost 10 years later, in September 2015, to be still wondering one's type, and whether you have the ability to analyze new pieces of information like a Ti ego would. I don't think a true Ti-ego would be wondering their type 10 years later - at least not likely, without a valid reason.

I apologize if any of this was overly critical or rude, but I'm trying to keep it constructive. Have a good day.

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Maybe she's just retarded.
Anything you have said that S or F can't do can, imo, be done by not so retarded SF people. IMO, most of what you said is just common sens, unless in extreme "intuitive" personalities (by intuitive I mean that they get things without even touching to the theory and get similar or better results than people who do).
For exemple I've a technician@work who when he explained things to me (when I was not used to his talking style) would mean strictly nothing. He just said pieces of information and would suppose you get all the stuff in between the two pieces of information he just gave you otherwise he'd be very annoyed to explain it to you. Morever the pieces of information would be related more to how he "felt" things than how they really were in reality.

I don't mean to be mean but that's something I've realized, personality type, unless very "intuitive", don't have any relation with what you have said up there. They can tell us that someone might have more trouble understanding something because it doesn't *fit* its strong functions, but it doesn't mean that someone would completely give up or not notice. Hence it's more the person being completely retarded.

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Originally Posted by darya

EIE is not a bad typing, but there's always this nagging voice in my head that you're a sensor - the way you approach the theory, talk about your life...

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What is that way like, other than what she's displayed in the recent threads - those are the only ones I've seen. Can you specify this a bit more? I'm asking because I'm thinking of a friend who's most definitely beta NF and she talks in a way that can come off as pretty "simplistic" first but she has strong Ni actually. Beats mine easily heh. And very Fe, as well, no way that it's just demonstrative Fe, too consistently there to be demonstrative.

Fuck you Mega, honestly. So fucking rude. GTFO if you can't contribute anything constructive or worthwhile without resorting to calling me "retarded".

I type in a very, very colloquial way... this doesn't in any way, mean I am less "intuitive" or intelligent.

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

I type in a very, very colloquial way... this doesn't in any way, mean I am less "intuitive" or intelligent.

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That's part of what I was referring to when talking about my beta NF friend a couple posts above

I'm doing my Master's degree in OT, I've always excelled at academics.. I think I come across differently here as I don't show that side of me..

What exactly are YOU doing, Mega?

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

Fuck you Mega, honestly. So fucking rude. GTFO if you can't contribute anything constructive or worthwhile without resorting to calling me "retarded".

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Se demonstrative? :thinking:

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Se demonstrative? :thinking:

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I don't think so, what specifically seems demonstrative about this?

PS: lol about analysing SL's and Mega's drama
PS2: I'm not saying it's ok to call SL a retard

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I don't think so, what specifically seems demonstrative about this?

PS: lol about analysing SL's and Mega's drama
PS2: I'm not saying it's ok to call SL a retard

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Its seems like a classic example of sporadic Se use. You don't see SL going around saying anything like that in any of her other post, but when mega said something "Rude" she suddenly became very outspoken and confrontational towards him. Mega's post sounded a lot like something an ILI would say e.g insulting someone's intelligence in a sarcastic manner, which seemed to strike a nerve with her.

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Its seems like a classic example of sporadic Se use. You don't see SL going around saying anything like that in any of her other post, but when mega said something "Rude" she suddenly became very outspoken and confrontational towards him. Mega's post sounded a lot like something an ILI would say e.g insulting someone's intelligence in a sarcastic manner, which seemed to strike a nerve with her.

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Eh it could be any function position going by that, Se HA is also in Vital ring.

It didn't seem sarcastic or personal*, do they even know each other?

*: tho yeah, very... not fitting in any way whatsoever

Wtf... really?!

Anyway, I wasn't equating sensor with simple/dumb in any way. If anything, the following explanation will sound simplistic. Intuitives I know overanalyze and overthink theory in a way sensors don't. It's like a feeling of spiriling more and more into the air of theoretical, with nothing to ground it, Be it when talking about human relations or something technical , depends what they're interested in. It's just a distinct feeling of people who are removed from imidiate physical world and not in the moment- it's always about something about the future, how the future should be or will be, or how the present moment could be different etc..There's a severe lack of practical implication if you put a bunch of intuitives together, the talk will *always* somehow end up in nihilistic philosophy/weird theories/theories no one gives a shit about . Intuitives are also in most cases way more offbeat and eccentric in the way they think, with more unusual thinking process and quirkier outlook on the world, which happens because they overthink everything .When I say overthink, that's got nothing to do with intelligence. You can have a bunch of theories, novel ideas and think yourself to death, and still be stupid and all your ideas don't make senes, or are just plain wrong and unusable.

With EIE's I know, when you talk to them for a longer time irl, there's no doubt they're intuitive - they're all about the future and how things should be and what's wrong (LIE's on the other hand can be more tricky from my experiece).

Whenever I spend too much time with my intuitive friends and I sit down with some sensors, it's like...thank fucking god someone put a stop on this endless, useless and time-consuming theorizing. So I actually prefer sensors as friends and partners.

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What is that way like, other than what she's displayed in the recent threads - those are the only ones I've seen. Can you specify this a bit more? I'm asking because I'm thinking of a friend who's most definitely beta NF and she talks in a way that can come off as pretty "simplistic" first but she has strong Ni actually. Beats mine easily heh. And very Fe, as well, no way that it's just demonstrative Fe, too consistently there to be demonstrative.

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To me, Scarlett's response to the guy that gave her more theoretical explanation, is unusual for intuitive person or for someone who's been on this forum for so long, and is trying to get to the bottom of their typing process. It just shows she's not interested in this topic in particular depth, which is unusual for Beta NF's I know. That's got nothing to do with her being unintellegent, it just shows disinterest. I'd say the same if someone would try to explain the theory behind airplanes to me- cause I don't give a shit why they manage to fly.

I know EIE's are supposed to be THE type that thinks they're every other type and just keep circling around, but I am skeptical of that. Imo, intuitives usually know very well they are intuitives, as soon as they grasp what the concept of intuition means. It's some sensors that struggle with the understanding of this devide, as they are just so "on the ground" they don't even get that some other weirdos are not : ) The intuitive friends that are familiar with the theory are also very good at singling out other intuitives in person, while sensors usually resort to outside markers of some sort..."oh, this person wears eccentric glasses or goes to such and such school, or plays an weird instrument...he must be intuitive....". While with intuitives, it's more like an intuitive feel that someone is on an alternative reality like you. That's ofc impossible to do over internet. Besides, intuition fails us sometimes...ok, more then sometimes : ).


I also personaly have never met a truly dumb Beta NF - they're usually above average in intelligence (subjective but whatever). But ofc, one is always dumber than some other, so if you're only hanging out with half geniuses (who are usually NT's ime) or you yourself have genius IQ, than I'm sure everybody else seems dumb in comparison : D Some people here are also so fucking pretentious (I'm looking at you, E5's), that gossiping or being concerned in what you wear makes you an imbecile in their eyes. Whatever, if that makes them feel good about themselves, so be it. Each of us have our own criteria and ways of making ourselves feel better than others anyway.

There's also many different ways of being intelligent. Ti users probably find everybody who sucks at Ti dumb , but at the same time I could find somebody dumb, because he can't put together two sentences about the message of some movie we've watched together, or the big picture message completely flies over their head, because they suck at reading human condition or symbolicism. But I don't, cause often these people are way more intelligent than me in other fields. So Ti-ing all over the place is just a certain kind of intelligence and if someone can only see value in their kind of intelligence that shows dumbness by itself.

Again, I'm really not trying to say Scarlett isn't EIE, it's more than possible she is and there are some cultural differences at play here. I'm just pointing out things that don't make sense for me perfectly with seeing her as EIE. There are a bunch of things that don't click for other typings as well.

Can I get a star for the most diplomatic post toward every single human now :)?

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Wtf... really?!

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Anyway, I wasn't equating sensor with simple/dumb in any way. If anything, the following explanation will sound simplistic.

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I totally get what you are getting at but depending on circumstances I think you may fail to detect right away that detachment from the tangible world.. at least here online? Also, on the surface you yourself have certainly appeared as sounding all very practical and whatnot, to me, in certain circumstances. :) SL does mention that she will gladly talk about weird theory stuff when she gets deep into talking with someone.

Btw LIE's, I have no problem seeing them as intuitive, for some reason. I guess this is all influenced by our own worldviews :)

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To me, Scarlett's response to the guy that gave her more theoretical explanation, is unusual for intuitive person or for someone who's been on this forum for so long, and is trying to get to the bottom of their typing process. It just shows she's not interested in this topic in particular depth, which is unusual for Beta NF's I know. That's got nothing to do with her being unintellegent, it just shows disinterest. I'd say the same if someone would try to explain the theory behind airplanes to me- cause I don't give a shit why they manage to fly.

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The thing is, that guy, nondescript, was giving an explanation that was hardly readable by most people, confirmed intuitives included, because of the lack of paragraphs and other formatting issues. I had no problem reading it as I'm not sensitive to such problems but I found it was not really very theoretical in the way an intuitive would write it (nondescript is a S type). I would not use this incident as valid proof for any sort of typing.

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I know EIE's are supposed to be THE type that thinks they're every other type and just keep circling around, but I am skeptical of that. Imo, intuitives usually know very well they are intuitives, as soon as they grasp what the concept of intuition means. It's some sensors that struggle with the understanding of this devide, as they are just so "on the ground" they don't even get that some other weirdos are not : )

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Hahaha you got that right, I had no idea such weirdos are out there like you intuitives. :p I mean I did assume they worked the same way I do...

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I also personaly have never met a truly dumb Beta NF

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I have, actually, I used to hang out a lot with a pretty dumb EIE in middle school. And I don't mean lack of organization in her thinking or low Ti in general, simply seemed dumb overall. Though she was certainly smarter than me at how to manipulate people, lol. Anyway we did get along well still, she was fun enough. :shifty:

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There's also many different ways of being intelligent. Ti users probably find everybody who sucks at Ti dumb

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Actually no, I don't do that.. initially I could get the wrong impression of someone if they are lacking the most basic organization in putting their thoughts together but I do figure it out alright over time if they are actually smart and then I have no problem with such superficial issues. Low Ti or not, disorganization or not, those people can be incredibly smart and I admire them for that specific brand of intelligence they have.

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Again, I'm really not trying to say Scarlett isn't EIE, it's more than possible she is and there are some cultural differences at play here. I'm just pointing out things that don't make sense for me perfectly with seeing her as EIE. There are a bunch of things that don't click for other typings as well.

Can I get a star for the most diplomatic post toward every single human now :)?

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Sure, your standpoint makes sense. I don't see the need to worry about having everything click together, only the relevant issues need to be sorted, the rest is just weak and ambiguous correlations :shrug:

And you can have that star yea :)

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I totally get what you are getting at but depending on circumstances I think you may fail to detect right away that detachment from the tangible world.. at least here online? Also, on the surface you yourself have certainly appeared as sounding all very practical and whatnot, to me, in certain circumstances. :) SL does mention that she will gladly talk about weird theory stuff when she gets deep into talking with someone.

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Heh, I think what you're picking on is more pragmatism and realism than practicality, things I speak of and am interested in are predominantly about human relations and society at large. But thanks anyway : )

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The thing is, that guy, nondescript, was giving an explanation that was hardly readable by most people, confirmed intuitives included, because of the lack of paragraphs and other formatting issues. I had no problem reading it as I'm not sensitive to such problems but I found it was not really very theoretical in the way an intuitive would write it (nondescript is a S type). I would not use this incident as valid proof for any sort of typing.

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Yeah, that was a bad example, It was questionable and difficult to understand, but I'd for sure ask more questions or at least try to read it through - you know, as a supposed Ti lover and all that. That's not the main thing I based it on though. It's pure feeling I got from Scarlett's posts, replies and talking to her. Apparently I'm not the only one. For one, I don't understand how one after all these years of being exposed to theory which speaks about humans, their relations and psychology, and being NF at that, doesn't know if they are a female IEI or female SLE :stroke:.That's just incomprehensible for me and puts the basic understanding of theory under huge question.

And second, It's not even the topics one talks about, it's about how they talk about it. Whatever, we're not going to come together here - my intuitivedar may be broken : P and you're right, over the internet it's just a waste of time. I'd be more than happy if Scarlett would make a video.

As I have nothing more worthwile to contribute but my own impressions, I will now see myself out of this debate.

Gone.

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alpha sf's manipulate with naivete

beta nf's would die before making that particular brand of naivete into the selling point of their image

^don't take my word for it

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alpha sf's manipulate with naivete

beta nf's would die before making that particular brand of naivete into the selling point of their image

^don't take my word for it

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Huh?

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

I feel like you are honest and real and strong in your Se. EIEs become a bit sneaky with it, ime. Much less fair than you come off as.

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That is my impression also. What you see is what you get. Wearing their emotions on their sleeves is one of the reasons that makes SEE's so likable.

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Originally Posted by ScarlettLux

Fuck you Mega, honestly. So fucking rude. GTFO if you can't contribute anything constructive or worthwhile without resorting to calling me "retarded".

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I said "maybe", there's a 50% chance you are so there's a 50% you aren't, stop supposing things.

Morever retardation is about being delayed, it has been 10 years mate, you sure are delayed (if you assume the "maybe" refer to the retarded half).

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I'm doing my Master's degree in OT, I've always excelled at academics.. I think I come across differently here as I don't show that side of me..

What exactly are YOU doing, Mega?

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PhD in systems engineering.
Morever grades are there to testify that somebody has learned (I won't say understood because understanding something is above grades) what was teached to him in a 30~ hrs course or so. If you don't work your grades will be shit, it doesn't mean you are less intelligent but it does mean that the subject didn't interest you/that you didn't put the effort of learning.
I have passed nearly every year after being 15 at the 50% limit, then I switched to the working hat 2 years ago and I'll finish 1st of my mastery degree and will be doing a PhD.

I have a friend who is a genius, he's a university dropout, I have never encountered someone as smart as him. I had another acquaintance who is smart (imo), his goal was to become a physicist scientist so he figured out the simpliest way was to work a lot, he did so, finished first every year and (I haven't checked) but it wouldn't surprise me if he's doing a PhD.

The fact that you think intelligence is related to having good grades makes me want to think that there's something you've yet to understand, which I think comes to mind (imo) rather easily once you have critically thought about life for about 10s.

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I know this from experience. :yup:

ESE sister is visiting. I am mentally taking notes. She seems so amazingly innocent at times but she knows what's up and the effect/affect it is having on others. It is part of her charm. :halo:

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This is true for me. <3

And to our sweet OP, if someone typed me as EIE, I wouldn't take it lightly. EIEs are fierce and confrontational mofos! Nicki Minaj SEI called Mariah Carey EIE "******" for a reason!

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The fact that you think intelligence is related to having good grades

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IQ and academic performance are actually quite well correlated, though it certainly is not at 1.00.

Mega is so basic he's pumpkin spice latte. Boom.

Does anyone read my posts? I specifically said that I *know* I am EIE deep down and created this thread for shits.. and to entertain possibilities.. although if you were to ask me .. I think I do understand Socionics very well, after 10 years.. Truthfully however, I feel not at all similar to many self typed EIEs besides Darya. I feel a kinship mostly to the IEIs and also strangely, Myst - an LSI-Se and the SLEs that were here before (Herzy, Ezra). I somehow "got" them or their way of typing more.. their overall "mood" or something was more welcoming and understandable than supposed EIEs like Mega, Jadae, Gilly..

So there are simply inconsistencies that I see and would like to further discuss. Doesn't mean I don't understand the basics of Socionics.

Also you made quite a few spelling and grammatical errors there, Mega, you sure you don't want to question your own intelligence vs book learning/rote knowledge? All of what you said about me not understanding what "true" intelligence is, is complete BS. I know what you're getting at but I'm pointing out my ACADEMIC success because it is more theory based and indicative of me understanding more conceptual types of knowledge, etc.. In no way do I think S vs N is any indication of difference in intelligence just FTR

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Does anyone read my posts? I specifically said that I *know* I am EIE deep down and created this thread for shits.. and to entertain possibilities.. although if you were to ask me .. I think I do understand Socionics very well, after 10 years.. Truthfully however, I feel not at all similar to many self typed EIEs besides Darya. I feel a kinship mostly to the IEIs and also strangely, Myst - an LSI-Se and the SLEs that were here before (Herzy, Ezra). I somehow "got" them or their way of typing more.. their overall "mood" or something was more welcoming and understandable than supposed EIEs like Mega, Jadae, Gilly..

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I find EIEs aren't all that similar to each other, tbh. I've seen them fight with each other too :p Which to me makes sense, EIEs often being so opinionated and open about stuff.

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So there are simply inconsistencies that I see and would like to further discuss.

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It contains some pretty insightful things ;) .

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No. It doesn't.

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No. It doesn't.

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That's so weird, that you think your HA could be your main function. I just noticed something similar with one of my oldest friends, who I typed SEE bc it was so obvious to me. She is super, super Ni-seeking, hippie, pleasant to be around and knows tons of people. By chance we started talking about personality theory, and she told me with complete confidence, "I'm INFP!"

It really made me think about how we understand and project socionics - so much of it is based on how we choose to understand ourselves.

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This is such a great point. I'm pretty sure i typed myself IEE for a long time because of similar issues. I admire Ne strength a lot and maybe wished i was Ne-dom more than my really being Ne-dom :P. People did try to point that out to me along the way, but i stubbornly refused to listen until life made me realize it myself (along with other discrepancies).

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Mega is so basic he's pumpkin spice latte. Boom.

Does anyone read my posts? I specifically said that I *know* I am EIE deep down and created this thread for shits.. and to entertain possibilities.. although if you were to ask me .. I think I do understand Socionics very well, after 10 years.. Truthfully however, I feel not at all similar to many self typed EIEs besides Darya. I feel a kinship mostly to the IEIs and also strangely, Myst - an LSI-Se and the SLEs that were here before (Herzy, Ezra). I somehow "got" them or their way of typing more.. their overall "mood" or something was more welcoming and understandable than supposed EIEs like Mega, Jadae, Gilly..

So there are simply inconsistencies that I see and would like to further discuss. Doesn't mean I don't understand the basics of Socionics.

Also you made quite a few spelling and grammatical errors there, Mega, you sure you don't want to question your own intelligence vs book learning/rote knowledge? All of what you said about me not understanding what "true" intelligence is, is complete BS. I know what you're getting at but I'm pointing out my ACADEMIC success because it is more theory based and indicative of me understanding more conceptual types of knowledge, etc.. In no way do I think S vs N is any indication of difference in intelligence just FTR

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Aren't you asian? A bit too much emphasis on education there.

EIE's can be kind of intellectuallity elitist.

Mega, Jadae and Gilly are all kind of throw away people.

If people doubt you are what you say are on here they are going to continue to question you regardless of what you "know".

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If people doubt you are what you say are on here they are going to continue to question you regardless of what you "know".

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Not necessarily, depends if things get clarified later.

Academic success is as much about ambition and drive as it is about intelligence. In school I could've easily of of gotten straight A's in nearly everything if I actually turned in all my work and studied. With enough determination, anyone who is not mentally impaired is capable of achieving a high level degree, although they would struggle much more then someone who is naturally intelligent. Intelligence in itself is very subjective. As we know here in socionics someone who is a genius in working with math is more often then not a complete dumbass in knowing how to interact with people. We have limited time and capacity to develop skills so we must favor some things over others. The best measure of intelligence is how easily you learn a variety of new information compared to other people.

That said, I think OP should just make one massive end-all post explaining everything that does and doesn't fit with EIE. Maybe also throw in your views about the functions, how you relate to the types, what misconceptions other members have of you that you would like to clarify, etc.

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Academic success is as much about ambition and drive as it is about intelligence. In school I could've easily of of gotten straight A's in nearly everything if I actually turned in all my work and studied.

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How do you know if you haven't tried?

And yes, where intelligence plays into it is how much time you need to spend to achieve academic success. It's quite an important factor in terms of that and studies do find strong correlations between IQ and that, though you are right that just from the fact of someone having gotten grade A's you can't backtrace it unambiguously to intelligence. Unless it's academic success going well beyond grade A's in high school which is rather easy to do compared to meeting challenges with flying colours in certain subjects at quality enough universities.

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With enough determination, anyone who is not mentally impaired is capable of achieving a high level degree, although they would struggle much more then someone who is naturally intelligent.

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That's true as long as the standards allow enough room for you to make up for the lack of intelligence. Say, if you can only fail at a certain comprehensive exam twice before they kick you out of university, that's a restriction on such space to move around.

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Intelligence in itself is very subjective. As we know here in socionics someone who is a genius in working with math is more often then not a complete dumbass in knowing how to interact with people. We have limited time and capacity to develop skills so we must favor some things over others. The best measure of intelligence is how easily you learn a variety of new information compared to other people.

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Yeah, that would be the concept of the so called general intelligence factor, though when that is measured only certain types of information are taken into account. Social skills are not typically factored in.

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That said, I think OP should just make one massive end-all post explaining everything that does and doesn't fit with EIE. Maybe also throw in your views about the functions, how you relate to the types, what misconceptions other members have of you that you would like to clarify, etc.

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That would be cool even if time-consuming.

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How do you know if you haven't tried?

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Because I didn't even turn in a lot of my homework at all because of laziness. Even then I still got mostly A's and B's with the occasional C, which would of been better obviously if I turned in all my work. I usually aced the in-class test themselves without problem. I'm still quite young however and have only completed high school, so admittedly I can't say for myself how difficult high level universities are.


I'm not necessarily trying to say SL, mega or anyone else who has a degree isn't smart of course. I would imagine there is minimum intelligence threshold one must past for such places, and definitely do think there exist a correlation between someone's IQ and the highest level of education achieved. But, I would argue having a high amount of determination can make up for a lot of lacking intelligence, enough to be able to make most people be able to pass all but the very most difficult of courses. Therefore I think it is pointless to try to use academic degrees as a way of determining who is smarter than who. You can be in the top 1% IQ percentile range but still have no college degrees simply because you dislike school or don't see the need.

you are def an ethical type, SL, and probably an extrovert (?)... and Se/Ni valuing... (imo)

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Because I didn't even turn in a lot of my homework at all because of laziness. Even then I still got mostly A's and B's with the occasional C, which would of been better obviously if I turned in all my work. I usually aced the in-class test themselves without problem. I'm still quite young however and have only completed high school, so admittedly I can't say for myself how difficult high level universities are.


I'm not necessarily trying to say SL, mega or anyone else who has a degree isn't smart of course. I would imagine there is minimum intelligence threshold one must past for such places, and definitely do think there exist a correlation between someone's IQ and the highest level of education achieved. But, I would argue having a high amount of determination can make up for a lot of lacking intelligence, enough to be able to make most people be able to pass all but the very most difficult of courses. Therefore I think it is pointless to try to use academic degrees as a way of determining who is smarter than who. You can be in the top 1% IQ percentile range but still have no college degrees simply because you dislike school or don't see the need.

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You are placing different emphasis on factors compared to me but sure I already said how from e.g. an average college degree you cannot deduce high intelligence with absolute certainty. I don't see the need to discuss further trivia about this topic...

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Going by your quick reactivity towards people taking the piss out of you it would suggest Se leading.

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Lol no it's not exclusive to Se leading.

Tho' I see you are aware of how EIEs too can do stuff like that.

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Just wanted to make a point about something before I forgot.. I may have said this before in a post but can't remember

I have this weird thing about needing :Fe: validation constantly from loved ones.. particularly boyfriends.. I'm all about getting that over the top emotional expression from someone. I was reading the SLEs feeling insecure due to weak :Fi: thread and I related a lot to it. I question the state of relationships or bonds if I'm not shown overt displays of affection. I also tend to ask people constantly about what kind of person I am, if I am a good person or not.. because I really doubt myself often. I also have a problem with burning bridges and being extremely reactive to any displays of negativity or aggression and fighting back against it. I am the farthest thing from "tactful" I guess you could say, but I am working to improve this.

I also have stated this in previous threads about me being SEE, and how in relationships, I really like feeling "ownership" over the person.. I always makes jokes about training the guy like a puppy.. lol. In romantic situations, I definitely relate most to being the Aggressor, the initiator.

IRL I am quite an attention whore tbh.. I love having others compete for my time, I like feeling needed, popular, etc.. I care a lot about my social standing and part in the community and like to involve myself in positions of power.

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Just wanted to make a point about something before I forgot.. I may have said this before in a post but can't remember

I have this weird thing about needing :Fe: validation constantly from loved ones.. particularly boyfriends.. I'm all about getting that over the top emotional expression from someone. I was reading the SLEs feeling insecure due to weak :Fi: thread and I related a lot to it. I question the state of relationships or bonds if I'm not shown overt displays of affection.

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Well I would have a problem with it too and this is simply the Fe valuing, IMO. Though in my case it's not about constantly questioning the state of the relationship because I can judge that by other means. But as soon as I feel like we are at a point with someone in a romantic relationship where the distance should be more reduced than the fixed distance I default to if Fe-wise things are not ok to me, I will have a problem, will question if things are actually ok. I don't feel doubtful for long though, I eventually decide things are wrong and drop the whole thing forever.

How exactly does it play out for you is what would say more about your type.

But it does not sound like your dual is an ILI ;)

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I also have stated this in previous threads about me being SEE, and how in relationships, I really like feeling "ownership" over the person.. I always makes jokes about training the guy like a puppy.. lol. In romantic situations, I definitely relate most to being the Aggressor, the initiator.

IRL I am quite an attention whore tbh.. I love having others compete for my time, I like feeling needed, popular, etc.. I care a lot about my social standing and part in the community and like to involve myself in positions of power.

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Well that says you have a strong sx and a strong soc instinct. :p

Do you not at all relate to Victim? Victim types can take on other styles.

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I also tend to ask people constantly about what kind of person I am, if I am a good person or not.. because I really doubt myself often. I also have a problem with burning bridges and being extremely reactive to any displays of negativity or aggression and fighting back against it. I am the farthest thing from "tactful" I guess you could say, but I am working to improve this.

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This sounds more like some psychological issue, not plain information processing related. Identity problems involved here? Anyway if any of it is IE related it doesn't sound like SEE with you having to ask others about what kind of person you are.

Thanks Myst! You're quite on the ball & insightful about the last part, I do think me asking others about what kind of person I am is definitely just a psychological issue lol

Honestly I think you are obviously my dual so I'm sticking EIE. Will make a video still just for fun soon..

EIE type me threads are more like...

Give me attention because I'm me threads..

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alpha sf's manipulate with naivete

beta nf's would die before making that particular brand of naivete into the selling point of their image

^don't take my word for it

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I think manipulation is pretty variable, pretty sure anyone can manipulate with naivete, experience, etc. I think the IxFx types, (soulful/sincere types) are prone to use a sort of in distress mode(need help) of interaction. It could be real/fake naivete or simply a way of manipulation or sincere need for help. This goes for males and females.

This is however not something ExFx tend to go for, at least not consistantly(althrough they can certainly do it), it's more of a difference in temperament than quadra.

ExTx often fancy themselves problem solvers and such so these sort of interactions are ego boosting.

Communication style and temperament are as much about how we present as club, with club being more the domain of information.

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With the boyfriend - show affection in small and silly ways. Sometimes I'm not even feeling intentionally lovey - it's almost an automatic reflex. Hugs, "I love you", "You're so amazing", "You're so precious to me", "How are you so amazing?", "You're the coolest person ever, can I eat you and gain your powers plz", "I miss you", rubbing my nose on whatever bit of their body is closest at the time etc. I think Fi-PoLR mostly means that they have a poor grasp of how people feel towards them without external signs, so the constant affection reassures them.

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I ALWAYS need this -- this is a big part of why I was thinking SLE for a bit for myself

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Yeah nah bitch, you're beta NF :P It's just normal human insecurity. You're too pretty and feminine looking to be SLE...

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I know pretty feminine looking SLE girls

SL does VI like beta NF though, much more than SLE, from the few photos I saw

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Yeah nah bitch, you're beta NF :P It's just normal human insecurity. You're too pretty and feminine looking to be SLE...

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LOL SLEs of course can be pretty too but you know what, when I think of the two SLE girls in my class (1 definite SLE, 1 still unsure, maybe LIE) .. they are beautiful but almost.. intimidatingly so. Like a more "hard" or powerful beauty. Stately actually is more the word.

I think I look pretty soft and more delicate lol.

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LOL SLEs of course can be pretty too but you know what, when I think of the two SLE girls in my class (1 definite SLE, 1 still unsure, maybe LIE) .. they are beautiful but almost.. intimidatingly so. Like a more "hard" or powerful beauty. Stately actually is more the word.

I think I look pretty soft and more delicate lol.

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Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

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Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

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Yeah if SLE at all, that must be Ti subtype. But strong Se creative makes sense.

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Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

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I think SLE because the way she operates is more irrational than our LSI friend, who plans everything in advance, needs structure -- she's way into "winging it" and constantly does so. Her energy is more spastic too - that photo may not be the best representation of her, she was pretty intoxicated. Lol. She is more of a partier, more wild than the LSI too.

She doesn't actually seem to spend that much time in thought, she depends on the LSI to help her organize things even more (in terms of school work) and actually start it.. she doesn't do much beforehand. It's easy to see the difference if you knew her in person.

Also she is an extravert. Simple. Lol.

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I think SLE because the way she operates is more irrational than our LSI friend, who plans everything in advance, needs structure -- she's way into "winging it" and constantly does so. Her energy is more spastic too - that photo may not be the best representation of her, she was pretty intoxicated. Lol. She is more of a partier, more wild than the LSI too.

She doesn't actually seem to spend that much time in thought, she depends on the LSI to help her organize things even more (in terms of school work) and actually start it.. she doesn't do much beforehand. It's easy to see the difference if you knew her in person.

Also she is an extravert. Simple. Lol.

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OK if the photo is not so representative of her then it makes sense.

Btw, just so you don't go by some overly narrow LSI stereotype; I don't plan everything in advance in that much detail, I can adjust on the fly if needed. Your LSI sounds like the Ti subtype compared to me.

I could relate a bit to your SLE friend there but my energy isn't entirely spastic, I just sometimes make sudden moves. Not constantly spastic. Tbh when I make those moves I don't think spastic is the right word for them anyway

And I certainly don't need help with organizing my stuff, lol, is she SLE-Se? Because I don't think SLE-Ti would need help either.

@ScarlettLux

You look extremely similar to one of my girlfriends whom I type as EIE, it's actually freaky

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@ScarlettLux

You look extremely similar to one of my girlfriends whom I type as EIE, it's actually freaky

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Picktcha!!!!! I wanna see my doppelganger!

Here's what my IEI sweetie said about me when I asked him to say what he liked about me.. Hahaha... it's cute and kind of a joke, but does this not sound a bit Aggressor-y and Se valuing? I think I just have a major hidden agenda complex LOL.

"I like you because you're very adventurous compared to me. You're curious about everything and like questioning things which is fun. You're very affectionate with me and protective which makes me feel like I'm special :). You also have great music taste and HAWT tattoos!

Oh and you make me laugh alot which is a huge bonus and you're incredibly sexy to me :D"

And what I said about him:

"I like you because you have great music taste. You are super sweet and caring about others. You are responsible and patient. You have HAWT tattoos LOL. And i know i can always rely on you. And you are funny and intelligent enough that I can have a good conversation with you."