How to deal with immature ESIs? (Benefactor-Beneficiary INFj and INFp)

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Originally Posted by blackburry

Point out that she's blocking you from the group and tell her you've noticed she is being a huge bitch to you while the situation is occurring (as she might deny it later- I've noticed a trend in many ESIs that they like to play dumb to get away with things...it's incredibly disturbing).
Make sure to be very specific about her words and actions.

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I've noticed that too :(

Isn't that lying:(

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Originally Posted by Enoch

In the Toltec framework, there is such a thing known as the Petty Tyrant-

I'd offer that you read The Second Ring of Power - Carlos Castaneda

Life places us in with tough people at times who represent the predatory aspect to human nature; in so that life always finds a way in, or a way of molding us and shaping us

But not everything is cosmic; you could perform any spiritual/social maneuver that has the end result you need

It 'seems' socionics takes a stance on obtaining a kind of leverage regarding the hidden agenda, sounds like NLP or rapport techniques,

toying with the target's subconscious and even unconscious

You also don't have to fly at people's altitudes, even Andrew W.K. claimed talking to a person you have the problem with, was his answer

If I were evil I'd prescribe that you work 5+ years in retail, you'll see firsthand the depth of that rabbit-hole, regarding people

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I love these literature recommendations

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

She's two years old :)

I recommended baby sign language and we'll see how that goes
She gets emotional at odd moments and doesn't know how to get over it unlike her brother who shifted emotions quickly. She goes into a tantrum. She's perfectly calm around me but my sister's Fe makes her explode

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What? you don't give two year olds a little back hand when its needed?

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Originally Posted by wacey

What? you don't give two year olds a little back hand when its needed?

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Hi, wacey.
Hitting is not allowed. For one thing, it represents a failure of the imagination of the parents to find a more appropriate method of correcting behavior, and what is worse, it teaches the kid that using violence to get what you want is OK, and so creates more ENTJ's, and Lord knows, the world probably has enough of them as it is.
At least, that's how it worked for me. :content:

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Hi, wacey.
Hitting is not allowed. For one thing, it represents a failure of the imagination of the parents to find a more appropriate method of correcting behavior, and what is worse, it teaches the kid that using violence to get what you want is OK, and so creates more ENTJ's, and Lord knows, the world probably has enough of them as it is.
At least, that's how it worked for me. :content:

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I guess sarcasm is not lost on Strange.

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Originally Posted by wacey

I guess sarcasm is not lost on Strange.

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My apologies, wacey. Sometimes sarcasm is lost on me. :oops: Never in person, though!

But, my inability to judge subtleties aside, hitting kids (or spouses) really is an important topic to me. When my ex and I learned she was pregnant, we started talking about how to raise our little Biff (placeholder name). Because this was the way I was raised, I said, We've go to hit the kids. Otherwise, they won't obey. She said, We're not hitting the kid. I said, You don't understand, it you don't hit the kid, they will do bad things. She said, We're not hitting the kid.
At this point, I mentally reviewed the way my family had turned out, and compared it to the way her family had turned out, and decided We're not hitting the kid. Which was very challenging to put into practice, because we had to go to a lot of extra effort to guide him toward good behavior, using "consequences" and "patience" and "hoping that the kid is smart enough to draw the correct conclusions from this". In other words, treating the kid like an adult.
It must have worked. He's not been in jail yet, which beats my record.

Violence just teaches people to be violent.
Little by little, we improve.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

My apologies, wacey. Sometimes sarcasm is lost on me. :oops: Never in person, though!

But, my inability to judge subtleties aside, hitting kids (or spouses) really is an important topic to me. When my ex and I learned she was pregnant, we started talking about how to raise our little Biff (placeholder name). Because this was the way I was raised, I said, We've go to hit the kids. Otherwise, they won't obey. She said, We're not hitting the kid. I said, You don't understand, it you don't hit the kid, they will do bad things. She said, We're not hitting the kid.
At this point, I mentally reviewed the way my family had turned out, and compared it to the way her family had turned out, and decided We're not hitting the kid. Which was very challenging to put into practice, because we had to go to a lot of extra effort to guide him toward good behavior, using "consequences" and "patience" and "hoping that the kid is smart enough to draw the correct conclusions from this". In other words, treating the kid like an adult.
It must have worked. He's not been in jail yet, which beats my record.

Violence just teaches people to be violent.
Little by little, we improve.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Deer Woman

[X from school]

Next class I came in 5 minutes later (very close to class start). I saw she is sitting where I was sitting.
Her: Sorry I stole your seat. I hope that's okay!
Me: No worries. (I really don't care. It's a seat.)
At the end of the class, I said goodbye, she looked at me, didn't say anything and walked out.

Class after that
Her: Oh look...I'm in your seat...again.
Me: Umm okay. (kind of weirded out)
Then her and the person on her right turn to each other and start laughing.

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Originally Posted by silke

that's interesting Mystery was doing the very same seat stealing gig in one of his presentations (i had him down as ESI)
it's approx @25+ mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfSf1SMGi4

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Here's a video of another Se-creative, Putin (LSI), doing the same thing to Erdogan. This was after Turkey has downed one of the Russian planes resulting in the death of the pilot, so Putin is visibly irked with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUqcjlI7t1w