Anyone who has alternative typings of me can post in this thread. @Kill4Me especially: I hear you're typing me IEE, I would like to hear your reasoning for that because you never replied to my PM's. Thank-you
PS: ouronis asked why I think Kill4Me is doing this, well the answer is very simple, I've had several people over the weeks come to me with this that "Are you ILE? IEE? Kill4Me thinks so"
:indifferent:
My motives are simple, bring this out in the open instead of private messages going around.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
He (or whoever else) can retype me as he wants to his heart's content but do it here. It's that simple really. I did tell him that I was going to make a thread on it if he continued ignoring me in private message.
I don't mind seeing opinions on my type, sure. Thanks for your input btw :)
PS: I don't see how this is to do with moderators because I don't think they moderate private messaging/private groups? Otoh, I did ask mu4 about the appropriate forum section for this.
People can retype you wherever and whenever they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
It's fine as long as they are willing to talk to me and provide their reasoning if asked. Which is what I took an issue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
I see no reason to doubt Myst's typing as SLE-Ti.
Is this KillForAnyone the official SLE benchmark of this site?..
You know yourself better, so trust your guts.
myst why do you even need this thread
This thread has so much potential, don't let me down :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2fucOfjy-4
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a response. I have battled-typed with him before, no fun. :( Ok, it was actually a lot of fun at the time...enjoy. Learned a lot about intertype relations and socionics from him and a few others. :lol:
I have no clue on your type since I haven't talked to you but SLE for kill4 seems legit. Don't use him as an exemplar though.
I think retyping others behind the scenes is pretty common around here. People don't usually go back and tell the retyped they have been retyped 'cause it's just speculation, usually and not meant for human public consumption. I probably would start a thread too if something was being discussed openly about me and I wasn't part of it.
LOL no. I'm not doubting my typing btw :P but I do want to hear from others if they have opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet
Which reason of mine was unclear?Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
:naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Hey I absolutely don't mind battletyping XD but I want to have direct communication about it. And yep about your last sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I have little doubt about sle for you.
People will talk about people on this site. @William moderators will in general not mod based on what people pm each other with (unless the participants complain) gossip is not punishable.
as for k4m; @Myst: some people will listen to him some won't. He'll lose interest eventually and people usually will take battle typings with a grain of salt. Fighting him might be your first instinct but it'll lead to unsavorably threads with more attention than warranted. The last time this happened we ended up with a thread full of dead wolve pictures that nearly made my cry :'(
No, he's some sort of EJ high on the narcissist spectrum imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Velvet
He's kinda of a wannabe badass
SLE, probably D sub, E8
I like him. :lol: Sometimes his songs just fit my moods. I like his quirky look. I wanna be SLE (not saying he is but he kind of reminds me of @Mega for some reason) for the day. :hyper:Quote:
Originally Posted by McBain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQg3GkhvcKc
@Myst I have read some posts. I see nothing against you being SLE.
BTW I agree with your typing of Beta ST @Myst but I don't get why you would bother about randoms having a different opinion on your type, some people don't have reasons or are just weird.
I sort of envision you as this person:
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Just really vocal and funny, with a twisted sense of humour. I could see you laughing if someone fell in the snow. You like to press for answers from others, seek to shake people up and get them engaged (in the convo, not with you!).
You also seem to have a sort of "innocence" that I see from SLEs. NOT naivety, just a sort of "kid with his thumb in the pie" light heartedness. You are also very polite, yet not dainty.
As well, there is this very systematic side to you where you discuss complex socionics topics. I would be very keen to see more of you ideas.
Lol, I wonder how it got to the wolves pics. :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
So, hm, more attention than warranted? Who decides how much attention is warranted? :D Especially on this site? :naughty:
OK, to turn serious... I don't think a little debate will kill anyone. Tho' so far I don't see that happening from the side of the original perpetrator. :P
I think I already clearly explained that I don't mind different opinions, what I do however mind is the lack of open direct communication, for several reasons. Idk sure some people are maybe just weird but I don't like to make assumptions. Thanks for your input btw & everyone else, I clicked constructive for all the typing inputs if I didn't have anything to say :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
Interesting observations, thanks :) I guess you didn't have the luck (?) to see my non-polite side yet, though :stroke: True that, about the part you put in brackets, I found it funny how you added it separately.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Btw as for ideas, if you got any questions or anything, you can just ask and then we can get into that. :)
And oh, I kinda do look like that pic. A lot of things about her face is similar to me (even if not everything), good guessing there or did I send you any pic of mine, I don't remember :)
If you didn't know already, its Ygrette, from the Game of Thrones.
I feel that you're either sle or lsi. Kill4me is sle. He's probably trying to pull your strings to get a sense of what you'll say or do.
Myst is ILE 3w4 so/sx. That much I'm sure of. FoxOnStilts, same: ILE 3w4 so/sp. They can be similar at first glance to SLE but in circumstances where a SLE will dominate/force or not even give a fuck about Myst's go-to response is to try and clear up/explain/prod/innovate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
The degree to which Se is used may differ from your own and also gender may play a part in it too. I gather that you're trying to make out as many of her properties as you can frkm your paticular kind of nudging. I'm not certain that I see much Ne at work since Ne is exceptional at penetrating into the properties of items and they don't need any help with that. She asks me and a lot of other people for info which I feel is so often done by Lsi but if she's ti sle she could look and act very much like lsi. Her humor and light heartedness despite challenges towards her type speaks of someone who is very willful. I'm surw she's BetaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
That is the default, identybro. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by LIIbrarian
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Originally Posted by Maritsa
When I said I sometimes poke people, to get them to expose what was behind their public persona, you called it malicious to push someone's defined boundaries (even though I was not talking about you) but here it's just a "particular type of nudging". Maybe Myst also has boundaries. No need to defend yourself since I know what you said to me only applies to you and how someone should not behave toward you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
If you think I am being cruel right now please think about taking your functions in for a tune-up because I'm not. Just learning my socionics...from a pro. It is refreshing to see that you have such an understanding and patient nature toward your conflictor though, I have also been known to show the same consideration toward my conflictor, on the forum, before and that had a couple of people convinced I was an EII based on stereotypical intertype relations, according to this theory.
Edit: I don't think he is trying to make out anything about her properties. He has pretty much decided on what he has already seen. He isn't asking questions. He's making statements.
Lol string pulling, huh, I don't need that way of manipulation from anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Ahahah hey there! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Er, and where were you ever dominating or using direct force, or even talk directly to me in the Se way, instead of speculating about my type behind my back? Lol. Which is not something I tolerate in the particular way you were doing it.
Anyway thx for finally appearing and explaining some of your thoughts. ;) Which, by the way, can be done by Se egos too, having enough intelligence to focus on explanations is not a privilege to Ne egos. :p You know, there is sweet Ti to do clarifying, explaining, and all that. Don't mix up IE's like that.
Well I actually have considered Se-LSI but I don't think I'm a Rational type. It's true my Ne sucks though enough to be LSI :p And I almost feel like talking to @miss BabyDoll is like talking to my Identical :) Sticking with SLE-Ti because of the "almost", though. Did you see anything else that you think is more LSI > SLE in my case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
And why would I need to run to a moderator with every little issue? :) Rhetorical question :pQuote:
Originally Posted by William
Why not LSE? :( I'll take you as my dual
I think she just wants me to respond to her. You know how e3s can get about their types. Here….check out these private messages she’s been sending me. the irony is it starts with her soliciting my opinion about her type. As you can see I never even clicked them let alone read them. heh. I even skipped over her posts in this thread. Too many Ne-manipulations for my taste and she’s got a big imagination to boot….never came across anybody this insecure over their official k4m branding. The main difference between her and Ineffable (ILE 7) is that Ineffable chased people around about their types whereas she chases people around about her type….a subtle 3 versus 7 distinction but the use of Ne to 'innovate' socionic concepts is identical. And from the PM title it appears she used the 'threat' of this thread to try and manipulate me into responding to her in private message…that’s extremely desperate behavior....not to mention a ban-worthy offense. I’m done reading this thread. Just ignore her/it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
@Kill4Me, I reported your post, as I find revealing stuff from PMs pretty low. (Not to be mistaken for siding with Myst on the type opinion, btw. It's a general thing)
As for your opinion, Myst could be ILE or LSI or delta ST even, but SLE isn't the worst typing. I suck at typing SLEs, so I might be wrong.
Do you want a serious type discussion, Myst? Then make a less aggressive/less opinionated post about it. That would probably be a good place to start (unless, of course, you want the drama).
I sent the first PM when I heard from someone that you sent a PM to them about my type, without any reason or anything. (Which then later happened again and again.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Now why didn't you dare to read my PM's or my posts in this thread, I cannot imagine. "Ne-manipulations" sounds like bollocks to use as a reason.
No I didn't want you to reply in PM once I posted this thread. Has nothing to do with desperateness or being insecure over "official k4m branding", wtf is that even.
You are making way too many assumptions about my motivations and they are very off the mark, why don't you try to verify your assumptions first before taking them as reality?
Sorry :) As to the why, because I'm very much Ti-valuing over Te (and Se over Si, etc), so if you got any thoughts on LSI, I'm still curious :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I just can't understand why you insist on people responding to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Have you never had this happen to you?
Did you really see any Ne in me? Heh if you did, don't worry about posting about it, tell me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ananke
No I've got no problem with heated arguments as long as it stays logical.... can also be funny and whatnot, sure :)
"This" = people running away, using ignore tactics, whatnot? Yes I've always had trouble understanding why some people can't pull themselves together and talk directly to me instead of other people if they have a problem. @Kill4Me clearly got some problem tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Words
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
My point exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
@Myst I have no problem with you being Beta ST, as far as I've talked to you, but I would also seriously consider e3 as core type for you. It's hard to imagine e8 opening a thread like this (I can very much relate why you feel offended or hurt or whatever, but it's all really so insignificant at the end of the day ; ))
If you were prodding me with PMs where I didn't want to talk to you and then made a public thread about me i'd be pissed off as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
But there has been some good out of it :) I think k4m makes some interesting points for you being ILE rather than SLE, but i'm not going to doubt your self typing to any great extent.
Irony, is a bird.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1284259181.jpg
Oh really and what he did isn't messed up? How about you consider that as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by William
Praytell where did I specifically cry in this thread beyond simply requesting a response and in general asking people to make their typings of me here specifically?
Well he bothered to waste enough time going around sending unsolicited PM's to various people telling them he thinks I'm X or Y type and not even bothering to respond to them - I'm not the only one who asked him for his reasoning on my type and got no response - so your argument here about saving time is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
The way I see it Kill4Me got some problem when I talked to him on chatbox and then he decided to do this behind my back in an evasive way. He can of course explain himself if it wasn't that.
Go read my response to Kill4Me's previous post, you would know his guesses were off the mark then because I already said so in that post.Quote:
Myst, a couple questions for you to consider: do you feel mad at k4m as one of the reasons is you have less control publicly for how others perceive you? When someone approaches you and says, 'Are you ILE or XYZ type because this XYZ person suggested it', why are you annoyed by that? Don't answer me - just hypothetical question, think about it a bit. Is it annoying because someone else refuses to acknowledge your identity? Reputation is important to us as humans.
Anyway, to reply to you, I don't care about reputation etc, I already stated several times that my problem is the evasiveness. That's what I get annoyed by usually. Nothing to do with identity or reputation.
Also wtf about three letters being identity. See below for more on that.
Seriously do you also believe you can read motivations of people from a few lines with such certainty? You too are off the mark here. I'm not you so don't assume I'm like you.Quote:
Myst, at least right now I'm considering e3 for you. I relate to parts of how you acted. I see you have '3' in your tritype - have you considered 3 first instead of 8? It seems you're concerned about what others think of you, and are lacking self-affirmation. Simple as that. When someone else asks your type, you can simply explain to them and educate them about your perspective. It could be seen as a talking point to even give you power to share your thoughts. Attention could be used for the good. But rather, you seem offended by this. Because someone doesn't play into the image you want socially, publicly, of who you are. So you feel somewhat threatened, and try to attack them back. I relate to this feeling too, as I have done it in the past. Too many times, unfortunately. But I can recognize it now.
To be very clear: I don't care who types me what type but the way they do it matters.
Oh and type isn't identity in any social sense. This place here is one small forum on the vast internet, your life consists of much more than one forum, your identity is also way way beyond that. I really don't understand your mindset here linking type to identity. :doh:
Why would E8 not open a thread or if they did what sort of reason would they do it for?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
You are clearly still lacking context for this whole issue. Read what I said to William just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
Yeah, I'm glad he finally managed to man up and give his reasoning. :pQuote:
But there has been some good out of it :) I think k4m makes some interesting points for you being ILE rather than SLE, but i'm not going to doubt your self typing to any great extent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9VSGPmkUc0Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
*hears the distant clicking of random fingers retyping me*
:cool:
I admit that saying that a certain type would never do something is a slippery slope, because there's always plenty of exceptions. I also don't know enough e8 people personally to be certain in what they would or wouldn't do. You have to look at motivations behind the actions, not the actions themselves and if you say your motivations for this thread are not of image concern, then I believe you. It's even possible that some e8's have similar image concerns as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Yeah, that were my thoughts as well. This thread feels a bit more pushy than you would expect from e3 and not enough "showy", just straight to the point - like if she would be sincerely surprised why is someone not upfront (never happens with e3). And all those PM's after no answer...not that good for image. I could see one or the other too, it's difficult to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphin
It's identitysis, but hey, close enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaman
Get over yourself chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
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LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Yeah, I already explained my motivations. I do like that in enneagram btw :) that it's about motivations and all that sort of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Yeah, I don't really understand that sort of thing in any positive light...Quote:
Originally Posted by dolphin
Well it's more than just plain surprise, I do see this sort of stuff negatively as I said to dolphinQuote:
Originally Posted by darya
I do have a 3 fix, what I thought was a 4 fix is more just Sx-dom, I think. @Ananke explained stuff about 4 that I think I don't have or only very very rarely so it's more 8 sx what I have and not 4. I'm either 853 or if 854 then the 4 fix is very weak.
If you have any further thoughts, feel free to post :)
Lol, yeah neat contradiction there, what you bolded :pQuote:
Originally Posted by wacey
You seem like you haven't read half of my posts in here. I already explained earlier what I didn't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
I don't give a flying fuck if he's laughing at misinterpreted bullshit about me. Don't see what I "blew up", either.
And yes I do have a so-called "major issue" with evasiveness in general, no news there :p
No. You are still missing the context. We see this differently.Quote:
The thread itself. It wasn't just a type-me thread you opened, but you went after someone who simply ignored you.
What is your point with this? You are kinda off the mark again. See also my answer to next block.Quote:
Your own time. You're answering every post now. Which is fine. It's your time. But to me, you still seem bothered by him and somewhat pedantic about the whole thing.
Your last sentence was a joke right? You couldn't have meant it seriously if applying it in general.Quote:
Maybe he does have a problem. Maybe you're right about that. But he's choosing not to address it or discuss it with you. So it shouldn't matter, imo.
Anyway in context of this specific situation, it no longer matters, he sorta expressed himself about it already. I had a good laugh at it & I responded to his bullshit. And end of story for me there XD
So now I'm here just answering thoughts and questions of you all. Btw no, no, that's not a hint for you to not waste my time :p
:Shrug: We are talking a different language it seems.Quote:
Mmm I don't care to go back really lol. You don't have anything to prove though. I do generally like you. I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this k4m guy though. Like, it's really ok. Let the haters think what they think. How you choose to respond to them imo is 10x more important than what they say or DON'T say to you.
Glad you asked and no problem. :pQuote:
Yeah I can see how you're different. I was guessing a bit and wanted to know for sure, that's why I asked. Thank you for answering.
You mean why I got onto this site and why I posted type threads?Quote:
Then why the type-me thread? Just curious.
Insane? Lol I don't think so. You haven't actually seen me ANGRY. :PQuote:
I'm not sure, to make a blanket statement about e8s. But my main issue and concern is how you're bothered by his evasiveness so much. If you control that within yourself, then there is no problem and no need for any thread. You're allowing yourself to get angry and actually DEMANDING a response from someone else. That's allowing your anger to drive you too insane imo.
Yeh you do seem very concerned and idk why the fuss from your part. Not that I'm berating you here or anything.
You are so interested in my emotions, lol. Hey it's pretty nice of you but see above. Anyway, sure I got to hear from him, I responded to all that bollocks, and what's more, some of his bollocks, including how he doesn't even dare to read my posts was real funny. :naughty: The thread itself also fun at times :)Quote:
So are you happy now? That this thread seemed to have served its purpose, and you got to hear from him a bit?
PS: Note, of course, the thread has a general purpose, meaning people can always post in here about thoughts on my typing if they have any. I don't mind discussion on it or I wouldn't have opened the thread.
i can't believe how much talk there is over nothing.
Lol yeh maybe I'm being too patient answering every question but it's ok I don't mind :pQuote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
EIE > SLE imo based on very limited observation and this thread. But could be totally wrong.
All this dissecting of quotes is an unnatural method of communication. I try to compare it to real life and it is like people butting in all the time which changes a small point into something other than what is being said overall.
This is relevant to the thread how? Btw I don't think anyone here did that about changing points into something else. I've seen that sort of communication before, tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
idk, to me myst comes across quite differently from FOS. I dont have an opinion either way though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
I haven't read everything, but I can see lots of "cutsey Fe" which makes ILE a highly probable type. Sure not all SLEs are brash and bitchy, but she's either a nice softer Beta (likely so/sx), or an Alpha extrovert (ILE>ESE).
Well miss BabyDoll was also at first accused of being Fe ego for supposedly using so much Fe in the chatbox.
LOL Fe is like impossible to assess in the chatbox or through posts...
really..? and what are we all constantly seeing in the posts of a user like Aylen, McBain, or Darya? They are all heavy Fe users. I don't mean only a neverending stream of emoticons here, but also reading people through frames of "ethics of emotions" and communicating with them on that basis. It's quite different from the subdued impression you get from Fi users. Instead of focusing on people "vertically" somehow and digging into motivations/values, there's a constant engagement in a ping-pong of Fe. Looks more dynamic, ofc. Dunno, it's pretty obvious to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suz
hmm i'll need to wrap my mind around that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
Yeah, I agree it's quickly obvious.
Thx for the input
Do I sound similar to anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suz
I'm soc-last instinct-wise. Sx/Sp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
Excluding Fe-leading and Alpha types, does that lead you anywhere?
Hahahh.. is that a Fe DS thing then?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I don't read people through those Fe frames well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
Wanted to post myself too so it's funny the thread got brought up just now :)
I got this
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Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Lol, in that case @Ananke is ILE too because she "innovated" and "probed" too. She also diluted her energy to just "impose will".
Idiotic arguments.. keep them coming I'm having a lot of fun here XD
Btw
I changed my type profile to Beta ST because I'm not sure on SLE vs LSI, if anyone got thoughts on that, I don't mind hearing them, thanks
edit: specifically SLE-Ti vs LSI-Se
@Myst my opinion on your type is that you're clearly Beta ST, after seeing your pictures and talking with you privately for longer time . I don't see any signs of intuition in the way i interpret it. There's also no way you're e3 judging from the pictures, but not completely sure about your E type - 7/8 space sounds plausible.
She is clearly Ti imo (by no means IEE or whatever), but I also wonder if an E8 would make such a post. I've seen no pictures... so my impression is E3 or E7 (which could explain the high social dynamism and openness/positive attitude). She doesn't seem very "reactive and aggressive" to me ...so I'm trying to see where this impression/vibe may come from.
Well, Kill4me is probably just trying to mark his SLE territory, so I don't even know why Myst pays him so much attention. From some bits of conversation it's clear he's not interested in exploring and discussing Myst's type, but rather on excluding her from the SLE mountain top.
From VI only, Se ego is the only option to consider.
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Originally Posted by Myst
GODDAMNIT, Why the fuck does MU4 think that Hitta and Ashton are killing the forum.
Look, of course you don't know the full story. But no-one does. You can never know everything, so you have to work with what you know, which often includes a lot of assumptions etc about where things have come from.
If you knew that you would know that MU4 isn't a by the book kind of admin. He makes rash decisions based upon his own personal feelings, after he feels like he hasn't acted to resolve things promptly. (and so it's already late, so he's already pissed off, so he jumps the gun)
So yeah - it doesn't matter if he's had a warning or not - MU4 is admin, and what he says goes, and he won't listen to rational or reason.
That said, I don't know anyone who likes to have their decisions/actions questioned. It's usually a good sign of mutinty or an uprising. And how healthy a society is politically relates to how freely people feel like they can even voice their lack of faith/trust/belief in whoever wields power. Of course some people are heedless and will just speak up anyway - but in some situations that can even get people killed. The thing is - words should be free.
But I digress. I realise Ananke can be a bit slow to respond. And that you respond to people quickly. So it doesn't seem that odd to me that you have many lines, and she has few. But the number of question marks make me feel like that you are a doubtful questioning person looking for reassurance.
Regardless of type this kind of questioning, meekness can actually solicit responses from people though. Making mistakes, showing insecurity etc, can provoke people into being capable, strong, etc, and informing. And so it can be a valid strategy. And I think when you take bites out of things like that - and say someone is one way or another, without the context of a bigger frame then you're just looking for things to justify your predecided opinion. The problem is this very thread, and the existance of such leads one down from the same path.
Now there can be various reasons for such behaviours, but one of them is "people pleasing" which sometimes originates from abusive relationships. And if through your life you've tried to stay small, then maybe you should question such behaviours, and whether they're still appropriate, and whether now is a good time to move on.
I guess you still unclear on the SLE vs LSI thing? :p Thx for the input :)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Lol SLE territory here? Sounds like imagination to me. Existing in his imagination, I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
As for the no reactiveness/aggression stuff. Guess you didn't read the whole thread though I don't really wish to advertise my dark side, it's clearly revealed unfortunately :p
Honestly though, yes I'm mostly just having fun in this thread. I do appreciate input btw!
Thx for the input :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kore
I do not like assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
Assumptions, man. How about you verify your guesses first? Or don't make them in the first place. That's the simpler option.Quote:
But I digress. I realise Ananke can be a bit slow to respond. And that you respond to people quickly. So it doesn't seem that odd to me that you have many lines, and she has few. But the number of question marks make me feel like that you are a doubtful questioning person looking for reassurance.
I wasn't looking for reassurance at all, I was simply saying my opinion and asking about the situation. Though I wasn't terribly interested so it was rhetorical questions.
Fuck that shit, I wasn't showing any insecurity there looking for "stronger" people. Or anywhere. And people pleasing in abusive relationships? Wtf.Quote:
Regardless of type this kind of questioning, meekness can actually solicit responses from people though. Making mistakes, showing insecurity etc, can provoke people into being capable, strong, etc, and informing. And so it can be a valid strategy. And I think when you take bites out of things like that - and say someone is one way or another, without the context of a bigger frame then you're just looking for things to justify your predecided opinion. The problem is this very thread, and the existance of such leads one down from the same path.
Now there can be various reasons for such behaviours, but one of them is "people pleasing" which sometimes originates from abusive relationships. And if through your life you've tried to stay small, then maybe you should question such behaviours, and whether they're still appropriate, and whether now is a good time to move on.
How can you read so much bullshit into a few lines on the internet, it's beyond me.
You know what. I only want opinions on my type, not bullshit guesses on my motives, background in life, etc, you can't see those from just a few lines. Comprende?
and yet you were very quick to make assumptions on something I said to "Ezra 2", although I was basically welcoming him in a humorous way and urging him to fill in the Questionnaire for more info on his type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst;1079545
[B
Still not convinced you're SLE. You seem slightly diffuse in what you say. SLEs are usually more focused and concrete.
*** you were looking for people's support on your type when you started this thread; strange that you ain't aware of that.
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Originally Posted by Myst
No, imo you're SLE-Ti 7w8 or 8w7. You're definitely more than enough agressive from what you've told me ; ).
Honestly, a beta ST wouldn't give two fucks about someone "retyping them behind their back"
But are SLEs super irritating when they ignore you? Yes, yes they are.
Assumption, nah. You said it with a straight face. I didn't assume you were actually laughing while writing that one sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
I wasn't looking for support. Show me where I asked for support. I only asked for opinions.
I'm leaning towards the SLE-Ti myself :)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
That's NTR.Quote:
Originally Posted by maithili
there's something strange in our communication. I didn't know humor/irony can only be expressed via smileys. Let's say it could be your Fe HA.
maybe posting some pics would clarify the issues in this thread.
compared to Ananke (quite surely SLE sx/sp, likely an 8) you seem less vivid/intense and more focused on entertainment for some reason. my 2 cents.
I'm perplexed by ILE typings, as you're literal as hell - seeing 0 intuition here. Also, maybe you should post your pics and see if anyone VI's you ILE by those...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I don't read between lines. Attribute it to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber
I don't want to post pics, sorry.
Anyway, where did you misunderstand me looking for opinions?
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
No not interested in VI right now
I actually agree with this completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
Badgering people for a response is not something I've ever seen an SLE or LSI do, they drop the ball and move on. Even LSEs, who are a little more persistent when they feel they deserve a reply/answer, don't take it this far.
She's not EIE lmao.
OK why is it an EIE thing in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by maithili
Your observation is otherwise pretty good about how I do that a lot.
Hey can't we be Identicals, too bad really :pQuote:
Originally Posted by darya
Well I agreed about EIE > SLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
But it could also be an IEE thing or an ILE thing. I've had a lot of experience with those types, when they want a response they don't stop.
Now if you can give me a clear line of reasoning without any logical jumps as to why EIEs and IxE's do this, and only those types and no other types, I'm open to hearing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by maithili
i for one am tremendously tired of how kill4me keep retyping me. i wish s/he would cut it out. first s/he types me one thing, then another, then yet another. i mean, jesus, make up your mind. there are only 16 options. there's no need to keep going at it. it's not like this is infinity, or something worth your while.
Did you ask him directly yet to stop with the retyping? (I don't mind you posting here, no worries about that)Quote:
Originally Posted by inumbra
*bump*
I ditched the generic beta ST, I'm pretty sure on my type now, of course if anyone has observations, comments, I'm happy to hear. :)
I disagree with this sentence in general, especially in regards to SLE. They do badger for a response with certain people, any response, lack of Fe is felt very painfully by them. Things go into a certain limbo until the question they have in question has been answered. This could look like asking the same thing at different points in time, asking the same question over, even when receiving the same answer. It's this sense of reassurance, aka acknowledgement is what they are after. The answer they are looking for is highly individualized and may not even be a proper answer, but a sort of pat on the head for inquiring. "Good dog". SLE will not be ignored, or they will just get annoying, or act out, or sulk, or suddenly start treating the person in question poorly. The remedy to this is to reply quickly. Unless you want to be their dual, in which case, you know when the right time is!Quote:
Originally Posted by maithili
Why I do it is because I obviously need the information for some reason and I see no valid reason for the person to not want to answer the question. I'm not looking for this "pat on the head" thing type of reassurance at all. I don't see why anyone would need that sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Of course if the person has a reason for not answering and they tell me that I will accept that as long as it's reasonable. But simply playing the ignore tactics is not something that works with me.
Going back to how you described SLEs, I absolutely do not understand what sort of inquiring is that needs this pat simply for the fact of inquiring. Explain that more? Some example? As for myself, what I want is a proper answer that I can analyse, no more no less.
Its sort of like, "look at me, I've said something, arn't you going to pay attention to it, I said something, look at what I'm doing now, arn't you watching, why arn't you watching? Do you know what I think? Arn't I a good partner, son, daughter, coworker, parent, for shining my light on you....You don't want to know what I think......? You want to know what I think". SLE give what you give them. By correctly responding to their unique style, you reassure them. Its like, they want both an answer and a gold star for the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
If ignored: "fine then, I don't need you, I don't want you, why do I bother with you, I'm better off without you, you are the one that did this, you don't want me, its you, you you."..... All huff and puff, means nothing underneath. Of course, they need you, of course they want you, of course they bother with you, of course they THINK they would be better off without you, and of course they think they are unwanted and of course they think its all you, when in reality, its mostly them.
The pat on the head is just an acknowledgement, could be a smile, a laugh at something that was said, meeting the conversation halfway, meeting them halfway, reassurance of your feelings...verbally and emotionally.
And before you ask, no, not all sociotypes need this kind of immediate, visceral feedback. SLIs, ILIs, being the most obvious examples.
Also, I was talking to that other member and I did say IN GENERAL SLE are...., not specifically discussing this situation from this thread in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Well I relate to the part about expecting someone to look at me if I talk to them and I expect them to answer yes. As for looking at what I'm doing.. sure that's nice too. I don't expect anyone to know what I think without me telling them explicitly though lol but yes of course I prefer my friends/partner when I have one to want to know what I think. A unique style I certainly have :p But I don't relate to the wanting this much reassurance or the gold star thing. But yes, immediate visceral feedback is good otherwise. What do Fe PoLRs need instead though?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
A lot of your description sounds like Fi PoLR, seems like I really just have Ne PoLR not Fi PoLR then.
Yep I got your wording about how this was about SLEs in general. The situation in this thread doesn't fit it anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by wacey
I would say its a combination of Ni agenda, Fe mobilization and Fi vulnerable. In another variation the same is true for LSI. Hmmm, funny how the psyche and its subsequent actions are all intertwined and not operating in some non-exsistant, reductionist segments...block block block?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
.....I don't feel like talking about Fe-polr right now, although I have done so on numerous occasions in the past at length. Briefly, it is not simply the opposite of what the past few posts here have described.
I would say that over the long haul, a certain sense of reassurance is just as crucial for LSI, otherwise, how would they fulfill their pathetic hidden agenda to believe? Believe, in WHAT exactly?
Since it's unsolicited it must be a cardinal sin.
Believe in the vision. Though in my case I don't need reassurance about this sort of thing. I'm pretty independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
And yeah, the stuff is all interconnected of course. What other variation were you referring to in terms of LSI, the Ni HA?
Do you have a post from earlier where you talked about Fe PoLR? Would like to understand some ILI's better
Lol. No, the "cardinal sin" was not that but I already explained it in the fourth post of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Rust
Huh? Oops, nevermind, I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian Rust
Mostly talked about SLIs Fe-polr in round about fashion, in threads like this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nd-ENFj)/page3
Here is another thread with some clues into Fe-polr (at least how I see it unfolding in SLI lives, which must have similar features with ILI):
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...xperience-SLIs
Ij/Ej rationality and the sense of reassurance the rational beta ST needs is tailored for a longer exposure to another person. More open socially in a passive manner then SLE, yet on a close relationship status more guarded and careful, that is why they are mobilized by a person who puts their interactions into a perspective framework, in other words, a vision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
Thanks. Yes I find ILI is like this too. For me it's so hard to understand this Fe PoLR thing though that I might as well be EIE haha. (Just joking)Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Oh that makes sense. Only thing I don't understand is what exactly you mean by LSI being more open socially than SLE?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
This sounds like asking a teenager how school went for them todayQuote:
Originally Posted by wacey
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Originally Posted by Amber
i think they're sp/so.
Ananke ..? She struck me as Sx first from my first days on forum when she was going though a break-up and wrote about the stuff and her feelings around here. She personalizes experiences too much for some other stack...especially for a SLE who may choose not to approach emotional issues at all.
i'm talking about myst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber