In essence, you might be an INTj. You remind me of my roommate in that he also has this "come what may", resigning approach to life. Clearly you are an introvert, and I think intuitive going off your style of writing.
Maybe, and I'm not saying this is true, you might not be perceiving what socionics Fe really looks like?
You made me laugh. :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
I think you might be ILI-Ni, from what I remember of two friends of those subtypes.
My ex-girlfriend was an ESI and the relationship had a similar dynamic to it, although nowhere near as intense as what you're describing. Something you have to keep in mind about ESI's is that they often have a very specific vision of what their life is going to be like and they are extremely reluctant to deviate from their plans whatsoever. If her vision involves a four bedroom, 2 kids, white picket fence or some variation thereof, the fact that she's 31 is probably making her even more hellbent on testing you to make sure you can make this a reality for her.
". Maybe your Ne polr, blackburry, makes you disregard individual approaches, development and treatment. She can be fixed."
Mk. Not agreeing with you doesn't necessarily equate to Ne PoLr, kiddo.
I think what you are trying to say you want is to grow as a couple together? Sure, that is possible. With some couples.
Also, this: "Btw, he who is closer to heaven, is nearer to hell... Being close to marriage means to be close to breaking up... Seems paradoxical, but when you're too deep into something, the chances of fluctuating between the highest fate and the lowest is way easier."
- describes a pretty unhealthy relationship that consumes a lot of time and energy. whatever floats your boat.
Btw, he who is closer to heaven, is nearer to hell... Being close to marriage means to be close to breaking up... Seems paradoxical, but when you're too deep into something, the chances of fluctuating between the highest fate and the lowest is way easier.
Friedrich Nietzsche
- "The tree that would grow to heaven must send its roots to hell."
You are not LSI - a LSI would have very low tolerance for such juicy contradictions. You are Ni ego or Alpha NT... I'm not sure about ILI. LSI seeks clarity and control in relationships, you are obviously 'suffering' due to a woman who's too grown-up for you, in spite of her quasi-psychotic behavior (partly understandable, how could she trust such a relationship is bound to work.). Besides you kind of sway too much from a feeling to another, from an idea or a type to another for LSI.
I agree. Should I agree? Probably. I don't know. This guy sounds wise. Have I contradicted myself at all during this argument? I have sent an ultimatum. If she responds, then yes. If not, then too bad, I don't care. You sound like me. Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacey
Someone is manipulating me here. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...StratiyevskayaQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I don't like it. What do you think? I'm sure you'll say something motivational. That's what honest people do. You know, if you actually are ESFj, then this is a bad idea. Actually, I think I met my conflictor. It is either one or the other. I'm not picking yet. Too many years left to go.
As as a note, I've been looking to get the illuminati back together. Any volunteers?
As a warning, they all died.
Well. It is either illuminati or free masons. I don't know which. This is a bad idea, isn't it. No. Not doing that.
What at could I do? My homework. So, Tesla was ENTj then? Heard he's insane. I might be. He was.
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-cont...4/09/tesla.jpg
Thought he could talk to a bird. Dogs are better.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...-nikola-tesla/
As such, this is the type of person who persists to be a bother. Is this my conflictor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Just my opinions here.
I don't think you are Alpha. Your intensely deep connection with your GF seems Fi-based in my opinion.
I don't think you are SLI:Quote:
Yeah maybe I'm INTj, but I hate my ESFj mother... and Fe Egos in general...Maybe I don't like too positive people? I don't like lighthearted girls? I prefer her seriousness and 'negativism'? It's a very important point. I'm seriously thinking that I'm attracted not just by her good things, but specially by the dark things...she is not very emotionally expressive, her feelings are more directed towards me in a misterious, even cold, but soft way... which pleases me (Fi?)
I don't think you are LIE:Quote:
She completes me in the practical level: I'm a rather absentminded guy. I don't care about details at all. I think my Si is fucked up. She takes care of Everything: clothes, dishes, dirt, house organization in general.
I think you are ILI:Quote:
I'm abdicating my social life (but I don't like people, so I don't care too much), my family (I don't care) and hobbies (sports, etc, what I don't care as well). So I'm not abdicating much. I'm being who I am, a reclusive bastard, just that I have a company, yet very similar to me...introverts may be a better couple when they don't like socializing...LIEs are always very busy, and I prefer to relax and just analyze things, in a more introverted manner.
You claim to be positivist, but I see more general negativity and a lot of indicators of introversion from you. The one thing you ARE very positive about is achieving your Fi Hidden Agenda: To Love. You are willing to overlook many difficulties in order to attain this goal, which I think is further evidence indicating you are ILI.
I've read that Activity relations can have a pulsating character to them (although not sure if that was referring also to Introverted Activity relations). You seem to settle...and then revisit the same core relationship issues/difficulties in a cyclical manner, thus activating you to overcome that as a couple in order to get emotionally closer.
Positive Point: as a couple, you may eventually tire of having this much drama, and with time you may be able to just put all of this hyper-emotionality to rest and get on with life at a lower gear.
Negative Point: If this issue is not resolved, her insecurities could get even worse when she is 41 and you are 31. If this relationship is going to work, she needs to demonstrate that she can handle the age difference along with being able to put her trust in you. For your future as a "couple", the relationship needs to be making your lives BETTER...instead of worse.
wow.
SEE are not that shallow, with help in figuring out how things work they can accomplish amazing things :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
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Originally Posted by Dionysius
She wants you to disregard your looks so that you don't attract others attention and leave her....
You seriously don't hear how fucked up that is?
My bet: she "loves" you until someone else gives her undevoted attention.
Wow isn't that a pretty broad question to ask? I suggest not using what other "ESI" would, or wouldn't do, to try and predict possible future actions of your girlfriend. It's not fair to either of you and it will just make you insanely jealous. I am starting to realize why my ex ILI responded to me with so much jealousy through reading all these threads on ILI. It had to be his Fe polr because he was most insecure when I was being expressive with other people and watched me like a hawk. It was like my Fe was deemed inappropriate human interaction most of the time. Even when I was not trying to be flirty he thought I was. I ended up losing most of my friends and living a reclusive life with him. I didn't mind since we both learned a lot about each other through it and he actually started to reflect more on his own emotions and I gained a lot of knowledge as well. I am so happy that I didn't know about socionics then. It is more helpful in hindsight. :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
If you feel conflicted then someone is your conflictor, in that moment, regardless of their socionics type. If you want to see if it is, by the book, conflictor start a thread and say what's on your mind. I have the least issues with my conflictor types on this forum because I keep a respectable distance and there are so few of them. If you are looking for conflict, you will find it. Guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alomoes
hahah I guess he didn't know there is a "higher order" group on this forum, but you didn't hear it from me. :whistle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird
Sounds about right. hahah He suspected a lot of stuff but he would get mopey and then I would provoke him until we had a huge blow out. I could not stand the stonewalling. I wanted him to show he cared and felt something and that he wasn't a robot. I think he was the person I had the most violent fights with. Not hitting each other but I would break stuff in the heat of it, then forget I did, and blame him. In the aftermath he would calmly tell me that it was me who caused the damage not him. I don't think I ever saw him fully rage though but he did throw things when frustrated. Sometimes when I made him jealous he would drive the car very fast, like so fast I thought he was going to kill us both but he was good behind the wheel. It was his way of getting back at me. He wouldn't say a word while speeding. Not until we reached our destination. I am starting to think he was sx/sp too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
He was my longest relationship and I miss him (RIP). He was younger than me, and we were both kind of immature, in our early 20s when we got together. He was brilliant though. You might want to avoid a relationship with a IEI 4 sx/sp. He was braver than most and was up for the challenge where other, "weaker minded", men failed. :)
Not that my opinion counts but enjoy the time you have together. The future can surprise you in ways you never imagined, even with the strongest Ni.
*Don't get all bent out of shape guys about my "weaker" comment. I didn't mean it in a bad way. :agent:
My commitment phobia just reached a new high *shudders*Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
more seriously, don't lie to yourself. You should know deep down how the relationship will evolve. I don't think many "ifs" became relevent as time passes. take the simpliest pathQuote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
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Originally Posted by Dionysius
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Originally Posted by Dionysius
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Originally Posted by Dionysius
I would have just picked the lock. :shock: He had many interests and for a while lockpicking was one of them so we had a kit. :lol:
Did you just call your own mother 'stupid and judgemental' on a forum ...on account of a type? Insane and kind of morally retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
As for the rest, it's not type-related. I just showed you how you do exactly the same, but talk only about her crazy. Anyway I'm not really a big fan of this mess (as you seem to be), it's not my relationship ideal. Take it or leave it.
Sounds like she'd be wild in bed. I'd keep her under those circumstances.
Most of what you have posted about her seems E type 4 sx to me. She can get healthier and so can you but sometimes the drama fuels the relationship. :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
Eewwwww @ you. And at your girlfriend.
You two have only been dating a very short time.... Everything youve described about your relationship sounds like big ol red flags.
I'm sure it will be a learning experience. If you actually learn from it.
But you are incredibly wishy washy, overgeneralize quite often about women...about types, so I highly doubt you learn anything any time soon.
Au voir.
Jeeez…please calm down. PLEASEQuote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
I think she love me
No she doesn't love me
She's hopeful
She's hopeless
She's great
She's insane
I'm insane
We're both insane
I think I love her
I don't know if I love her
I'll marry her
I won't marry her
I, Maritsa, am getting nausea from reading this thread. It's like being in the spin cycle. I don't know which end of the stick is up.
Wow a lot of broken stuff, violence and passion, are you sure you are not Beta? :hello:
He's an irrational type (let's bounce back and forth to feel the complexity of our relationship in waves, yummy) - IEI or ILI. By the propensity for craziness you'd think Beta ...however there are signs of D-A cognition in what he says (for instance, how he justifies the good and the bad as in going through hell to reach heaven etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet
Maybe he grew up in a rather nasty and tense family environment. That coupled with Sx/sp (which seems pretty legit) can make for a more intense and crazy ILI. Besides the bitch probably holds a grip over him sexually through her Se (+experience) while she also tries to expand her control over other aspects of his life (other chicks and so on). It must be fun for a 31 years old woman to see how far she can get with a young boy.
Damn, I feel what you're saying in this thread. I am familiar with this type of relationship from both sides, a couple times over. Not the age thing but the whole dynamics. I am not going to discourage you from having the experience. I learned so much about myself and how two people on the verge, sts, can lead to madness. Had they crossed paths with another instead they might be totally fine. Some people just bring out that kind of intense passion together. If they don't learn self control it can escalate quickly because it will get to the point where you want to intensify those emotions. At least that was my experience and I could see you going down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
I love my mother very much, btw, but sometimes I dislike her with passion and I have my reasons. I think I posted this song to the wrong thread today 'cause it looks like you are under fire here. :lol:
"Everyone's pointing their fingers
Always condemning me
And nobody knows what I believe
I believe"
I think you shouldn't depend on socionics that much.
You already have fights over financial issues after such a little time and with a woman 10 years older? :confused::confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
You two should not procreate. Just saying.
Drop her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
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Originally Posted by Dionysius
You are CLEARLY an irrational type. Now you wanna be LIE.
Your only options apart from ILI are IEI and maybe ILE - make up your mind once and for all if you wanna be Fe or Te polr or ship your Self to the Alpha Quadra. I can hardly read and sieve through all your ceaseless speculations about your obviously bad relationship.
Dude, this thread is starting to invade my nightmares. lol You two go live the sx first dream and stop worrying about socionics. Your experience is not going to be pure if you analyze it to death. I read it is better for Ni not to analyze until after the experience is over. Then you have the knowledge in your toolkit for future use. You are still pretty young and Ni develops over time. Right?
If compatibility is really important to you then I suggest you both see a therapist and not rely so much on this theory.
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Remember that Introverted Intuition is only as good as all the experiences one has had in their life. Denying new experiences will cause Ni to be less accurate over time. Extraverted Feeling and Extraverted Thinking deal more with observing the outside world. This will give the Ni user a sense of balance and better understanding of what is going on outside of their heads, as well as help ground the user. Going into new situations and observing without a preconceived bias will help the person to understand the dynamics of the world. The Ni user would do best to come to their conclusions after the experience is over instead of during it.
Anyone with a brain would understand that dating a person 10 years younger when you're 31 normally implies that the said person will have less financial resources than what you are "used to" among same-age peers. And since she chose you as her boyfriend she should get used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
I think oftentimes LIEs are more controlling than ESIs. They're the Te dominants after all.Quote:
She makes me feel good more than any other woman I've met. She admires me, is attractive, warm, understands me like anyone - besides the jealousy - and takes care of me. Dropping her is just stupid. Everyone says to me the same thing: "Oh she is so moralist, controlling..." but that's what LIEs like, from what I've read. A Normalizing (Fi) and Strong (Se) person.
It's a nice day to start again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dionysius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0YGrj2A0Q4