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Sx/Sp- muddy, lava-like, piercing
Energetic qualities associated with sx/sp - intensifying, escalating, rising, surging, enlivening, invigorating, accelerating, stimulating, energizing, vitalizing, reviving, animating, inspiriting
Why do sx/sp's seem saturated with intensity?
-sx/sp's gain stability by withholding strong sexual impulses sp ---> into ---> sx
Sx/Sp Writing Style: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.
Picture a lightning bolt captured in a bottle. The energy is always there but it's contained in a glass jar and only breaks free once in a while. The sx/sp is boxed in energy, self-contained, cutting, and focused. Sx/sp types will often look angry even when they are not. There is a certain reality of emotion which they display that is due to their social obliviousness. Most sx's will be honest almost to a fault. Sx/sp want to choose their friends wisely. A "with me or against me" attitude reminiscent of 6 and 8s. The least inhibited of all stackings. Cares less of what others think of them. The most likely to get into physical altercations, and may even enjoy fighting. Healthy sx/sp's will display a playful selfishness.
Sx/sp have an inner confidence which is not usually found in other stackings. However they may lack social confidence or just may not pay any attention to social rituals at all. Put a sx/sp in a busy bar and they will be confident in themselves. But make them sit at their parent-in-laws for a formal family dinner and you wont see that same confidence. It's inner confidence rather than social confidence of the sx/so. May be very popular without knowing or putting emphasis on it, unlike so types.
Sx/sp does create a kind of isolationary tendency though even in extroverted types, an in-their-own-world vibe, kinda oblivious sometimes. But ironically they can also be extremely insistent and aggressive on issues they feel strongly about, which they go on in the soc realms in ways that will cause stronger soc's to cringe, it's so rough and undiplomatic. They can fall in love with their soapboxes.
sp/sx, and, to some degree sx/sp, have an attraction to 'underbellies' - places where the sun don't shine. like sensing a disgusting odor (death, feces) and feeling compelled to go toward it and peer into it, rather than move away.
soc-blind spot for sx/sp people:
What I really hate is the people with a higher social instinct acting like I'm a bull in a china shop every time I try to say anything. My sister (6w7 so/sp) is horrible about this, sometimes reacting to every comment I make as though I'm the most horrid, uncouth thing imaginable, and in addition taking everything as some kind of slam or insult, when I'm just talking normally and not thinking anything insulting at all. My 9w1 so/sx ex was also really bad about acting like I was social death, and frequently giving me the feeling that everybody was mad at me or something. I think he was just on guard for potential areas of conflict, though, because sometimes I'd find that nobody was upset with me at all.
SO-last: Sx/Sp and Sp/Sx are significantly missing the Social elements of fresh air and sunlight. Looking at them there’s a kind of shrouded/hooded quality, something of a cave-dweller or a Death theme in some form. The obliviousness to the collective good (Social-last) contributes to the shadowy/cloaked quality of these stackings — there’s an unintelligence about social stigma that can take people of these two stackings deep into ‘alternative’ territories. On the upside, communications here can be more personal, contactful and intimate because the aura of the collective isn’t brought into the exchanges.
sx/sp :: upward Death :: Metamorphosis and transmogrification. Being burned to death and born again into a body tuned to a higher vibration. Losing the self (dying) in the Other, in an upward peak of flame and ecstasy. The wet fire.
my sx/sp typings: http://www.pinterest.com/vonsain/sxsp/
http://i.imgur.com/cSHXPL5.jpg
Kristen Stewart - sx/sp, Delta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf_9vVWtSzQ
Bruce Gilden - sx/sp, Gamma (ILI-Te)
SP-secondary/creative instinct is very noticeable in his interviews. Gilden pays a lot of attention to the physical cues around himself: the coat on a woman passing him by and how warm it keeps her, the ugliness of the shoes of another, the 'aftermath' of a plastic surgery and the crooked nose, the state and condition of his own equipment, the spacing and the interconnection of the objects on photographs presented to him, and so on.
His SX-first desire for an emotional catharsis and SO-last unawareness also show--the disruptive effect he has on the social scenery of the city by almost jumping at passersby to take a photograph of them, starting confrontation which by his own admission let him face his own fears (representative of the 'upward death', emotionally regenerative theme of the sx/sp instinct). The fact that he prefers to take photographs of people who are at the bottom social ladder status-wise is where the whole underworld/'Preta' theme of sx/sp stacking becomes manifest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdbh7BimRz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNilCJTcJxA
James Mitchell - sx/sp, Beta (LSI 5w6)
It's easily to see how easily he's emotionally rallied and unsettled. His motive getting involved in the project has deep personal and emotional roots: the capture and murder of his close friend.
For whichever reason seeing sx/sp's in videos makes me feel weirdly self-conscious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmNUi0itl-8
ITT kitsch
Lay beside me, tell me what they've done
Speak the words I wanna hear, to make my demons run
The door is locked now, but it's open if you're true
If you can understand the me, than I can understand the you
Lay beside me, under wicked sky
Through black of day, dark of night, we share this pair of lives
The door cracks open, but there's no sun shining through
Black hearts scarring darkness still, but there's no sun shining through
No, there's no sun shining through
No, there's no sun shining
What I've felt, what I've known
Sick and tired, I stand alone
Could you be there, 'cause I'm the one who waits for you
Or are you unforgiven too?
Lay beside me, this won't hurt, I swear
She loves me not, she loves me still, but she'll never love again
She lay beside me, but she'll be there when I'm gone
Black hearts scarring darker steel, yes, she'll be there when I'm gone
Yes, she'll be there when I'm gone
Dead sure she'll be there
What I've felt, what I've known
Turn the pages, turn the stone
Behind the door, should I open it for you
Lay beside me, tell me what I've done
The door is closed, so are your eyes
But now I see the sun, now I see the sun
Yes, now I see it
What I've felt, what I've known
Turn the pages, turn the stone
Behind the door, should I open it for you
Yeah
What I've felt, wha I've known
So sick and tired, I stand alone
Could you be there, 'cause I'm the one who waits
The one who waits for you
Oh, what I've felt, what I've known
Turn the pages, turn the stone
Behind the door, should I open it for you
So I dub thee unforgiven
I take this key
And I bury it in you
Because you're unforgiven too
Never free
Never me
'cause you're unforgiven too
OH
This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating. Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union. Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from “Hunchback of Notre Dame”sx/sp
For example, sx/sp and sp/sx are significantly missing the Social elements of fresh air and sunlight. Looking at them there’s a kind of shrouded/hooded quality, something of a cave-dweller or a Death theme in some form (scroll back up to the stacking titles in the section just above to get a feel for it). ‹ Take away air, quickly comes Death. ›The obliviousness to the collective good (Social-last) contributes to the shadowy/cloaked quality of these stackings — there’s an unintelligence about social stigma that can take people of these two stackings deep into ‘alternative’ territories. On the upside, communications here can be more personal, contactful and intimate because the aura of the collective isn’t brought into one-to-one exchanges in the way it inadvertently is with those who aren’t social-last. This friend-of-the-dark quality can translate to a capacity to work, hands on (figuratively-speaking), in the muck of psyche, and linger long with other people’s ugly/corrupt underbellies and issues, potentially spilling themselves into others’ dark sides.
sx/sp :: upward Death :: Metamorphosis and transmogrification. Being burned to death and born again into a body tuned to a higher vibration. Losing the self (dying) in the Other, in an upward peak of flame and ecstasy. The wet fire.
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Originally Posted by Ananke
Some info just to expand on what you posted. Now I want to listen to all 3 "The Unforgiven". SLEs make me want to listen to Metallica. :content:
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Summary
"To understand the mind and soul, and to find the perfect union."
Appearance: brooding, intense, immersed, fantastical.
Role: mystic, wanderer, soul mate, lover, seducer.
This type is on an eternal search for the missing piece. They channel their sexual energy inwards to explore the imaginations that come from their subconscious. Their ambitions are personal in nature and do not necessarily have a social cause. They often have a naturally seductive, sexual charisma that manifests as a fantastical, erotic playfulness or an untouchable aura to others. They may feel torn between the urge to explore and a secure living.
In relationships, they may feel conflicted about their intense passion for their partner and their desire to guard themselves from getting hurt. When they find a soul mate, they quietly bond with an exceptional level of intimacy. Once connected, they have difficulty letting go. When anxious or depressed, they may seclude themselves for extended periods, seeking understanding from within. Their sexual tension occasionally manifests as volatile, self-destructive behaviors when stressed.
Primary Instinct: Sexual
Those with the Sexual Primary Instinct are devoted to transmitting something meaningful to future generations, whether it is their genes or their ideas. It also means they wish to become "one" with another entity, which they achieve by seeking intense, original experiences that fully engage them. This tendency manifests as their intense desire to form intimate, one-on-one connections with people and as their passionate pursuit of hobbies and interests. Without satisfying these desires, they feel incomplete. Their passion and creativity result from the repression and rechanneling of their sexual drive.
They live a life of intensity, often taking risks to achieve their ideals. Because they wish to spread their “self” onto other entities, they tend to be good at drawing attention to themselves and their ideas. They have an expanded construct of the self and they are willing to sacrifice themselves for people or ideas that they care most about.
Secondary Instinct: Secure
The Secure Instinct is channeled to serve the needs of the Sexual Instinct. The result is that this type is able to deflect sexual energy inwards using the Secure Instinct. This inwards sexual energy allows them to explore the imaginations from their subconscious and uncover deep insights of the Self. The Secure Instinct also acts as a protective shield that is activated whenever the Sexual Instinct expands the Self too much.
They appear to be on an eternal search for the missing piece. Their ambitions are personal in nature, without a direct social cause. They may have a naturally seductive, sexual charisma that manifests as a fantastical, erotic playfulness or an untouchable aura to others.
In relationships, they may feel conflicted about their intense passion for their partner and their desire to guard themselves from getting hurt. When anxious or depressed, they may seclude themselves for extended periods, seeking understanding from within. They often feel torn between the urge to explore and a stable living. The tension between the Sexual and Secure Instincts occasionally manifests as volatile, self-destructive behaviors when stressed.
Potential Weaknesses
The Primary Instinct can be both a strength and a weakness. When people with the Sexual Primary Instinct become overly preoccupied with its fulfillment, they may be bored with reality and indulge in excessive risk-taking, self-medication, or thrill-seeking. Some may disregard protective boundaries of the self and develop issues with possessiveness or dependency in their relationships.
Sexual-Secures have the Social Instinct as their least dominant Instinct. As a result, they may have difficulty cultivating multiple social connections. While they have no difficulty bonding with individuals, they may have difficulty navigating social realms to obtain their needs. Unaware of how their actions affect others, they may cause miscommunications and group dysfunction. Some may reject the help and camaraderie of their community, preferring social isolation.
The dominant Instinct is often used to compensate for the least dominant Instinct. For instance, those who are Sexual-Secure may form exceptionally close relationships with a few select friends who can help them navigate the social realm
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Relationships
In relationships, they seek closeness, loyalty, and meaningful sex. Mentally and emotionally, they wish to be able to fully open up to their partners, and they are most fulfilled when their partners do the same. Sex to them is far more than a physical act. In fact, those who simply see sex as a vessel for physical pleasure more than likely do not possess the Sexual Primary Instinct.
They idealize about potential partners, always longing for the perfect union. When they find a soul mate, they quietly bond with an exceptional level of intimacy. Since they rarely engage in social formalities, the partner may be unaware of the level of intimacy that the Secure-Sexual has until much later. Once connected, they have difficulty letting go, even though they may still fantasize about more perfect relationships.
They are keenly aware of the intimacy between themselves and their partners. They see intimacy, or closeness, as the measure of how healthy the relationship is. They will feel conflicted and frustrated in relationships in which they cannot fully bond, but they will become “one” with their partners in ones that are a good fit. The passion and loyalty they have for former partners does not fade. Instead, it is overshadowed by someone that they can feel can provide more closeness and trust. They enjoy marriage for the security that it provides. Dullness is their biggest fear, and personal rejection is their biggest insult.
Compatibility
A couple with similar Instincts is most compatible because it allows the two to walk in the same direction. This is the opposite from Personality, in which “complements” attract. Walking in the same direction allows a couple to reach mutually agreeable decisions, while having complementary Personalities allows the couple to solve problems using different perspectives. The latter also adds a sense of freshness to the relationship while preventing overlapping identities.
Their ideal partners are the Sexual-Secures, Sexual-Socials, and Secure-Sexuals.
Career
Sexual-Secures feel most fulfilled when working on projects that are in line with the goals of their Primary Instinct. Namely, they wish to fully engage themselves in creative, stimulating projects that promote the growth of something new. With a Secure Secondary Instinct, they have a greater awareness of themselves and their physical resources so that they can better achieve the aims of their Primary Instinct. Thus, they prefer careers that allow them to use their self-awareness to engage in an intense, stimulating career.
Examples of careers that they may enjoy include:
Artist
Clergy
Linguist/Poet
Musician
Physicist
Psychologist
Scientific Researcher
Software Developer
University Academic/Faculty
Writer
Project Evolove's psychology has its basis in Myers-Briggs Theory, Socionics, Enneagrams, and the works of Carl Jung. Notable influences include Personality Page, Type Logic, Enneagrams Institute, Ocean Moonshine, and the works of David Keirsey. The MBTI assessment tool is a separate and unrelated entity.
I disagree on the compatibility list. My sei SO identifies as sp/so, with sx last. Though he has the desire to merge with his partner, he doesn't feel the passion and drive of the sx. But he's the one who keeps an eye on the social realm and where we fit into it. So every once in a while he prompts me to contact someone, or says he wants us to go to one of the meets. But he's shy and seems closed off to those who don't know him. So it's left up to me, the extrovert, to initiate conversations etc.
Also, he leaves it up to me to guide our direction in terms of household interests/pursuits. And now that my adult daughter is in her home living her own life, his and my interests/pursuits are beginning to align.
I guess, basically, in terms of compatibility, my sx first covers for his sx last, and his so first covers for my so last.
I tend to disregard the information on compatibility the most in any typing theories/systems, including astrology, numerology, etc... If it goes against my desires. I won't let anything/one dictate who I can or can't be compatible with. :agent:Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YYqpd3x8f4
The artist is probably sp/sx ...Elliot Goldenthal's musical representation of her death is sx/sp.
http://nightphysics.tumblr.com/page/3
The layout's really shitty, each sequential comic starts at the bottom of the page and goes up. Fantasic comic though.
Well, I'm definitely Sx/Sp. Though I'd imagine a lot of ILIs are; it doesn't sound unlike the ILI descriptions
This right here sounds like an ILI - Fe ego interaction. I experience this almost every day with my XEI roommate.
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Kinda of this whole entire comic but here's some
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...201715-057.jpg
http://ctrla.lt/comiclash/images/100..._ComiClash.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...ullets_057.jpg
Including my own avatar
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...201757-079.jpg
Sara Bareilles has some wonderful pop music. I like her entire discography.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_am_Meer.jpg
sp/sx is also possible for caspar david friedrich
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Originally Posted by SisOfNight
dude, that's so/sx Enneagram 2 who wants to pass for E5 and has no other means.
Interesting analysis, @Solaris :P
Well, I thought this pic may look "too nice"… I guess it does, haha.
That owl pic is too overtly affectionate; kinda makes me shudder.
One of the most spectacular courtship rituals, bald eagles will latch onto each other by the talons and spiral down towards earth in free fall, only to separate at the last second.
http://demolarewajudaily.com/wp-cont...gle-courts.jpg
vulgar and totally kitsch -- but hey, chick obviously has one hell of an imagination and she has to let it flood threads.
This image just resonates with me...from the first moment I saw it. :love: :halo: Edit: @silke this was originally in sx/sp thread
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QiCbN2_mlh...en_925225.jpeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zEm-U1hC7E
I hear... a voice say "Don't be so blind"...
it's telling me all these things...
that you would probably hide...
am I... your one and only desire...
am I the reason you breathe...
or am I the reason you cry...
Always... always... always... always... always... always... always...
I just can't live without you...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't get around you...
I breathe you...
I taste you...
I can't live without you...
I just can't take any more...
this life of solitude...
I guess that i'm out the door...
and now i'm done with you...
I feel... like you don't want me around...
I guess i'll pack all my things...
I guess i'll see you around...
Its all... been bottled up until now...
as I walk out your door...
all I hear is the sound...
Always... always... always... always... always... always... always...
I just can't live without you...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't get around you...
I breathe you...
I taste you...
I can't live without you...
I just can't take any more...
this life of solitude...
I guess that i'm out the door...
and now i'm done with you...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't live without you...
I left my head around your heart...
Why would you tear my world apart...
Always... always... always... always...
I see... the blood all over your hands...
does it make you feel... more like a man...
was it all... just a part of your plan...
the pistol's shakin' in my hands...
and all I hear is the sound...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't live without you...
I breathe you...
I taste you...
I can't live without you...
I just can't take any more...
this life of solitude...
I guess that i'm out the door...
and now i'm done with you...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't live without you...
I love you...
I hate you...
I can't live without you...
I just can't take any more...
this life of solitude...
I pick myself off the floor...
and now i'm done with you...
Always...
Always...
Always...
Married Love
You and I
Have so much love,
That it
Burns like a fire
In which we bake a lump of clay
Molded into a figure of you
And a figure of me.
Then we take both of them,
And break them into pieces,
And mix the pieces with water,
And mold again a figure of you,
And a figure of me.
I am in your clay.
You are in my clay.
In life we share a single quilt.
In death we will share one coffin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcSwDUE-QK4
Not sure about the images in the video but song feels sx/sp. I like how the music starts off mellow then raises and intensifies the energy, then sort of decompresses at the end and achieves some kind of equilibrium. Some images may be more sp/sx. Heh, all subjective, I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7K72X4eo_s
Love, love is a verb
Love is a doing word
Fearless on my breath
Gentle impulsion
Shakes me, makes me lighter
Fearless on my breath
Teardrop on the fire
Fearless on my breath
Night, night of matter
Black flowers blossom
Fearless on my breath
Black flowers blossom
Fearless on my breath
Teardrop on the fire
Fearless on my
Water is my eye
Most faithful mirror
Fearless on my breath
Teardrop on the fire
Of a confession
Fearless on my breath
Most faithful mirror
Fearless on my breath
Teardrop on the fire
Fearless on my breath
It's tumbling down (as in love falling apart)
It's tumbling down (as in love falling apart)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5bVN3kXOxF...g/s1600/12.jpg
possibly the "weak sp" range ...
Looking over this thread I just have to add that overt and showy displays of sexuality isn't sx/sp - soz. This is typical of sx as secondary and even last sexual instinct to be projected outwardly and broadcasted to others in a clear and manifest manner. It is SX as seconary and tertiary instinct that is used to create some shared space. As a primary instinct, it is too close to the person's core, too deep-seated and of significant and vital importance to be openly put to an exhibitionisitic and irrelevant display in such manner. In other words, Sx as a first instinct is internalized, vital, and implicit - rarely showy. So all the overly sex-infused imagery and saccharine sweet exhibitionist love songs and poetry don't belong in the Sx/Sp stacking thread.
For the SX/SP stack, the creative, outwardly projected, exhibitionist instinct is the self-pres one, SP, which has to do with physical displays and broadcasts (e.g. the picture of plunging eagles that Galen has posted), with overcoming barriers and obstacles, struggle against the environment or nature, interplays of risk and safety, physical overcoming of barriers, reshaping of some physical parameters, etc. etc. and particularly the triumph of life over insurmountable circumstances, that is, the vitalizing and enlivening forces attributed to the SX/SP stacking.
More images like that, and less of the sugary sweet, fakery and shallow lovey-dovey stuff plox.
Leo Tolstoy's Father Sergius is a great example for sx/sp. It's the story of a Russian nobleman who decides to become a monk after he discovers his bride-to-be had sex with the tzar. He's a highly sexual person by nature, but also extremely proud and, one may say, addicted to testing his will against circumstances. He cuts one of his fingers one night in order to be able to resist temptation when a famous courtesan visits his home. However later on he gives in to sex with a much less attractive semi-deficient girl whom he was supposed to heal.
I'm posting info on the European screening of the story not because it's better, but because it has a title very evocative of sx/sp. Also it may be more accessible to numerous sensitivities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun...hines_at_Night
***of course, one can trace some roots in the "Saint Anthony" myth which I already posted in the Dali version.
My current favorite song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G049LeVG6BI
The biggest problem I have with finding things to post in these instinct stackings threads is that for me all this stuff is highly symbolic and not representative of outward behavior but what is going on within. If someone explains to me why they see a song, poem, image as a particular stacking then I can often see their perspective but if they don't all the imagery is going to be filtered through my own beliefs and perspective so I may not ever see or feel what they do. I like how @Solaris explains her last post.
Edit: @silke this was originally in sx/sp thread
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Originally Posted by Ananke
http://vimeo.com/36333141
The character (Phoebus) is probably sx/so, but the situation is rather sx/sp.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8dsz8_notre-dame-de-paris-dechire_music
oh shit, frollo is the perfect E1 sx/sp exemplar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqGL9B_TPTI
2) Broadcasting/Charisma - Display, broadcasting one's energy and reading the energy of others (not attunement - that is social, this is "where's the juice?"), phallic sending out signals of one's "feathers", what one is all about. Trying to intrigue and being intrigued. Peacocking. *this is not being aware of the other, attuned, connected or bonded*. Where the other "is at" is social. Projecting energy, trying to attract, "feelers" out looking for the juice. Trying to draw you in, like energetic "pheromones".
http://osbcng.org/wp-content/uploads...olie.-ange.jpg
EII sx/sp E 4
@SisOfNight
Sp/sx IMO?
@Mega, I first thought Sp/Sx too, but … the image fit this quote quite well:
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sx/sp :: upward Death :: Metamorphosis and transmogrification. Being burned to death and born again into a body tuned to a higher vibration. Losing the self (dying) in the Other, in an upward peak of flame and ecstasy. The wet fire.
I think in the case of primary instincts the motivations are "peacocked" without the individual having to be consciously aware of it. Plenty of the pics in this thread are pretty explicitly "look at the sex woo hoo" (the girl with the snake, the water poured over lips, etc) in a rather explicit way instead of permeating effortlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elina
Sx-primary doesn't imply a high sex drive, in the same way Te-primary doesn't imply a penchant for managerial business work.
The girl with the snake is not a sexual image for me, although it is a bit sexy. It has no connection to my sex drive. Mine is quite low, most of the time, to be honest and I would rather go without sex if I don't feel an intense energy connection with someone to begin with. I need someone to pull me out of myself usually but I can take care of sex drive alone. The need for intensity and bonding usually requires me to have some kind of participation. It can take the form of the elements. A big frightening rain/thunderstorm can give me the same feeling as being in love if I am in the right state of mind. The image I posted of the girl with the snake is about looking past fear and potential danger for me and not being afraid to see what it on the inside or other side of it. Just like the girl with the leopard. That is what I mean by this stuff being highly symbolic. At least for me. I know someone who finds images of people wearing winter boots sexually arousing. One's person's porn can be another person's fall fashion catalog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
The thing that is hardest for me to deal with sometimes is people are either extremely drawn to me (sometimes in scary ways) or they are put off by the way I express myself. irl no one ever seems to be neutral when it comes to me.
Edit: It is ALL about energy. Physical stuff just isn't as important for me. I have walked away from everyone I loved and everything I own several times in pursuit of an experience. I am talking about complete households and expensive items, even my car. I know I can find ways to get all those things again but the experience may never come back around again. Do I want to be like this... sometimes I wish I wasn't. I probably wouldn't choose it if I saw the fine print beforehand.
@Elina immersion is a good word! Sometimes it feels like possession and I am in need of a good exorcist to free me of my demons.
No, ofc it doesn't imply high sex drive in itself or any higher than with other stackings for that matter, but to be perfectly honest, I would find it really unusual if a person with a strong sx primary would come off as asexual to others :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
I come off as asexual to people sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by darya
Why do you think that is (serious question)? Do you think you have a "healthy", functional relationship with your primary instinct or not? In what way do you relate to sx instinct (seeking intensity, one-on-one intimate connections,...?) I'd really like to understand different perspectives on this instinct and in what ways people relate to it, if you're willing to share :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
Maybe, but I'm not sure that bondage stuff is just going to be sx-first. Maybe it is. :shrug: There are the sensation people who aren't into the relationship part as much. There are people who feel safe and secure if they are dominated. There are people who are into the scene. There are those people who like, run some kind of old-fashioned household with the woman as a domestic slave. I dunno, lots of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elina
My dream, which feels sx/sp to me, and an example of the way my brain interprets my outer and inner worlds into symbolism that I can later analyze and better understand myself with.
I dreamt I'm in an old hotel that was once used as a mental institution. I am a little boy and my family and I are on vacation. Our friends are traveling with us. I feel very sick, my eyes look black and hollow and I am growing weaker… something isn't right. My hair is falling out and I am spitting up blood. My family is concerned. I stop eating then I start to get better. I want to find out what made me sick so I investigate. I discover my friend's mother is putting arsenic in the food. I got a heavy dose because I ate something that had a heavy concentration of the poison. I almost died or I did die. I can't remember.
I can see spirits in the halls and rooms of the hotel. Many are distorted and demon-like. Some look like deformed animals. They lunge at me. I find ways to defeat them over and over. I am no longer a boy. I wonder, was that just a dream? I am still in the hotel and I have all the memories of the boy but now I am a teenage girl. This is another life. I found the boy with the dark, hollow eyes roaming the halls of the hotel. He is at rest now. The demons that haunted him are all in chains. I can see them. They still lunge at me when I pass but their chains are short. They can't touch me.
A man arrives and informs my parents that we must stay at the hotel. I tell him that there are strange things happening there and some of us see demon spirits and they try to attack us but we have found ways to control them. The man explains that we are now the guardians of the hotel. Someone (seems like a brother to me) asks him how we can free the spirits there and the man says the hotel was not built to keep the demons and spirits out. It was built to keep them in. He says that my family has the power to hold them there. It is our destiny. We cannot leave the hotel and we can only release the spirits that are not demonic.
We are living in the hotel and I am getting older (in my 20s). Now I see that there are other spirits there too. The demons torture and harass them. It is my "job" to protect them and to set them free. There is a glass room. Whoever or whatever is locked in the room will manifest their deepest desires or their deepest fears. I trick the demons into the room. I run and they chase me. I lead them into the room. Demons have their own fears. I see them manifest in the glass room and devour them. I want to go in the room but I wonder what I will manifest. I am apprehensive but I wait my turn. The room clears and then I walk in. I wait… nothing… Still waiting… I do not manifest my fears. Is it possible I am not afraid? The room does not discriminate whether it is fear or desire whatever is strongest will manifest. A little girl with long, curly, golden hair starts to slowly manifest in the corner of the glass room. She is 3 or 4 years old. I instantly recognize the girl is me but now I have to be a mother to myself. The room gives me back my childhood. Hmmm that is not my desire. I don't understand why. I have to take care of myself as a child.
The little girl is so precocious. I can hardly keep up with her. She sees the spirits and the demons too. They are excited by her presence. They pull against their chains trying to get at her as she teases and taunts them in a playful childlike way. She is not afraid. I feel an energy in the hotel. It has no form but it is strong. It is trying to lure the girl into a room. I watch as the door opens by itself. All I can see is that the room is pitch black. The little girl wants to go in the room but I grab her by the hand and I tell my sister to seal off the room and that no one is to go in there ever. I do not know what is in there but it does not feel good. My sister takes her hand and waves it over a mirror and a misty fog covers the door of the room. It is sealed. The girl pulls free from my hand and is running and I am chasing her. More demons appear. She laughs as I confront them. They stand between the girl and me. I have no problem defeating them but they are becoming a nuisance and they are not very attractive to look at. The girl leads me into a room and I pick her up and put her on a table. I ask my sister to hold her while I do something but she gets away from my sister. She crawls through a small door (about 2 1/2 feet tall) in the room and I try to convince her to come out but she won't. She says she is going to find her father but I don't want her to. She motions for me to follow but I don't. I manage to pull her out of the door and quickly shut it. I sit against the door trying to catch my breath. My heart is racing.
The scene changes. I am me as I am now… my current age. I have been in the hotel for so long. I want out but I was told I could not leave. I go to the front door and open it. Whoa, I thought I was locked in. I step outside and my black dress is now white. I take a deep breath. Mmmm, I can smell flowers and there is a gentle breeze. I walk away from the hotel. I see a man standing there like he was waiting for something. It is ********… huh? hahahah What is he doing in my dream??? I start running toward him and I jump into his arms and wrap my legs around his waist and my arms around his neck. He wraps his arms around me to hold me up. Eeek, I realize I am totally naked and I am self-conscious because there are people all around us but then I quickly decide I don't look too bad naked so it doesn't matter. I start telling him about the little boy, and the hotel spirits and demons. He is smiling at me and I suddenly understand that his attention is not on the story I'm telling. Duh! He starts walking toward a beautiful garden with me still naked in his arms. I wake up.
1) I'm a giant god damn nerdQuote:
Originally Posted by darya
2) I have a rather low sex drive, and I tend to naturally avoid people who have theirs higher. Comes off as obnoxious and try-hard
3) Very rarely have I ever been in a position where I could express sexual interest towards someone and have that feeling reciprocated. I eventually learn to tune it out I guess
Iunno, I tend to feel very stifled in that department. Like I'm intentionally walling myself off from what feels natural just to exist without fear of castigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I think of myself as a very hyper-focused individual. When I'm psychologically stimulated enough, my mind goes completely myopic and I find it hard to drag myself away from whatever's captivating me. A love interest, film, song; whatever engages me the most in the moment. It's a certain sort of intensity seeking; not necessarily a viscerally physical one (although I love roller coasters like a motherfucker), but more like a hyper-sentimentalized weaving inward of sorts. Shit I'm largely uncomfortable with talking to a group of internet pixels about.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
It's unrealistic to expect a stack to manifest itself the same way for everyone. I don't really identify with the last post - except for the part on the laser-focus and the complete immersion in something (someone) activating and energizing. My responses to people are usually visceral and kind of radical: there's hardly much grey area between attraction and repulsion. Of course I'm also drawn to people's personalities, but chemistry is not really an abstract notion for me. I cannot easily ignore such things and simply lock myself in an ivory tower. It would be very unnatural. This can also lead me in trouble. I can spend much time on activities that are not very productive simply because they catch me in their grip and keep me charged. Or I happened to fall for people who were not exactly the wisest options on the market, so to speak. I don't want to get into much detail, but just as an example: my LSI official SO was one of my teachers and comfortably married when we met. Although we were not together until he separated, I couldn't really find my peace until he did. Did it matter that the effect of our common Sx first was the breaking of a marriage desired only by one party? No, it did not.
I think there was a sub-classification of stackings which could be operational in explaining some differences, if mere personality is not enough:
http://typewatchenneagram.blogspot.de/
I like these descriptions, if for no other reason than that they imagine the instincts as on a continuum of valuation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agni
sx/sp more like beta fuckfest
Not so long ago @Aquagraph used to jokingly inform people I'm frigid, because that's apparently how I came across to him/others (he's sx/so). I don't think I've been typed as anything else than sx/sp by anyone. The descriptions for sx/sp don't seem to suggest overtly obvious/outward sexual behavious either:Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Ime, so/sx and maybe sx/so types have been the most intentionally showy in their sexuality. The type of people who might dress up suggestively, playfully flirt with their friends, pretending they're a stripper/hooker/drag queen/whatever, take pictures like the one with the snake in this thread. At least in my circles they have also been the most likely ones to go hunt for one-night-stands, and find themselfes attracted to a big variety of people. I can see how I might come across as a nitpicky prude compared to them.Quote:
This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating. Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union. Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from “Hunchback of Notre Dame”
Hehe, actually I can count people that I know and come across asexual to me on one hand (ok, maybe two). I think we have different definitions. In my vocabulary, prude or uptight doesn't mean asexual. It's more like, ok, this person is uptight at this moment, but he has a lot of potential :) And asexual seeming is ...well, asexual , like you can't imagine this person having sex ever, because he seems like he's not interested at all (and totally removed from all human sexuality).Quote:
Originally Posted by Agarina
I don't link overtly obvious sexual behaviors with sx firsts at all, I was talking more about the general vibe of the person. And in my experience, when I get a strong asexual feeeling, it's usually from sx lasts. I don't know you personally, but from what you write, I kinda doubt that's the deal with you :)
Yeah, I agree, it's usually connected to some of sp last people - it's the interplay of sx and so that does this, sp doesn't hold them back. But most people don't walk around close to anything resembling strippers, no matter their instincts.Quote:
Ime, so/sx and maybe sx/so types have been the most intentionally showy in their sexuality. The type of people who might dress up suggestively, playfully flirt with their friends, pretending they're a stripper/hooker/drag queen/whatever, take pictures like the one with the snake in this thread. At least in my circles they have also been the most likely ones to go hunt for one-night-stands, and find themselfes attracted to a big variety of people. I can see how I might come across as a nitpicky prude compared to them.
Sx/sp people I know (surprisingly small number, now that I think of it), are pretty reserved and none of them is promiscuous at all. They're also not showy or attention seeking in a sexual way. But they're still kinda subtly flirty, actually they're very hot lol. But you know, these things are probably connected to the E type as well. If you're E1, you will come off a bit more uptight from the get-go :content:
*deletes rant*
"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Caught here in a fiery blaze, won't lose my will to stay.
I tried to drive all through the night,
The heat stroke ridden weather, the barren empty sights.
No oasis here to see, the sand is singing deathless words to me.
Can't you help me as I'm startin' to burn (all alone).
Too many doses and I'm starting to get an attraction.
My confidence is leaving me on my own (all alone).
No one can save me and you know I don't want the attention.
As I adjust to my new sights the rarely tired lights will take me to new heights.
My hand is on the trigger I'm ready to ignite.
Tomorrow might not make it but everything's all right.
Mental fiction, follow me; show me what it's like to be set free
Can't you help me as I'm startin' to burn (all alone).
Too many doses and I'm starting to get an attraction.
My confidence is leaving me on my own (all alone).
No one can save me and you know I don't want the attention.
So sorry you're not here I've been chained too long my vision's so unclear.
Now take a trip with me but don't be surprised when things aren't what they seem.
Caught here in a fiery blaze, won't lose my will to stay.
These eyes won't see the same, after I flip today.
Sometimes I don't know why we'd rather live than die,
We look up towards the sky for answers to our lives.
We may get some solutions but most just pass us by,
Don't want your absolution cause I can't make it right.
I'll make a beast out of myself, gets rid of all the pain of being a man.
Can't you help me as I'm startin' to burn (all alone).
Too many doses and I'm starting to get an attraction.
My confidence is leaving me on my own (all alone).
No one can save me and you know I don't want the attention.
So sorry you're not here I've been sane too long my vision's so unclear.
Now take a trip with me but don't be surprised when things aren't what they seem.
I've known it from the start all these good ideas will tear your brain apart.
Scared but you can follow me I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die.
Hmm.. I'm not really prudish or uptight, quite the opposite actually. But I'm not sure how come across to others. I think the reason Aquagraph found calling me a frigid so funny was the conflict between my outward appearance and true self, so to speak. From a distance it could seem like I was really dispassionate had zero interest in sex (how you described apparent asexuality), while in reality I was quite the opposite, just with incredibly high standards and no desire to express my sexuality around those I was not interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
However, I also relate to what you said about sx-lasts seeming asexual. The difference, for me, has seemed to be that Sx/Sp:s look asexual from a distance, but hardly after you've gotten to know them a bit. With Sx lasts the asexual feel might or might not be apparent at first, but will become/stay so after getting to know them really well. This is all highly unscientific of couse, but intuitively/from my experiences it makes sense to me.
I relate to the first part of your description a lot. Did you mean unconsciously flirty by subtly flirty? Because that might be true to me - at least I evoke strong responses in people, both positive and negative. And I have a fairly easy time creating an intimate atmosphere with someone I'm interested in without applying much conscious strategies of effort, but that might be more Fi-related than Sx-related.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I'm not too familiar with etypes tbh, my typing is based on someone whose opinion I value as typing me E1. He said Sx primary in Ones can often manifest at rule-breaking (as opposed to the rigid appreciation rules that's stereotypical for ones?), which I relate to a lot, though I guess it's not completely wrong to say I am in a way uptight about breaking rules/norms I perceive as harmful. Like, I have a hard time accepting the way my parents want to do everything by the book even if it's inefficient or the rules don't make any sense. If you feel like theorising more about how Sx/Sp might manifest in different Etypes, I'll be very interested. I always wondered how Sx/Sp might work for EXFp:s or Fe-egos, for example..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpk7bccuY9s
sx/sp
Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.
:biggrin:
Perhaps, but I set the standard for it. Because in my sphere of isolation, without any reference beyond myself. I am truly the God of my existance. How ever futile that may seem. It's all the security I need in order to appear well fortified, balanced and calm when dealing with shit that's exterior to my very core.Quote:
Originally Posted by SisOfNight
I have no idea what this means and cannot relate to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Within
disagreedQuote:
Originally Posted by SisOfNight
Silke and Olly both said something that reminded me of this song. I am not even going to try and explain it. :content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2fZk6eXQUs
Hair of gold and eyes like stormy seas
You say you love me, want to marry me
And as I'm looking for the wedding ring
You say I don't have to spend anything
Stay with me, we'll be closer than the stars
Sunday I'll be gone
Your dad gave up on you so long ago
Your mother is someone you do not know
You have no money and you still get by
Everything I say makes you cry
Stay with me, we'll be closer than the stars
Sunday I'll be gone
You can wear all the colors that you want
Sunday I'll be gone
What am I supposed to do
Sit around and wait for you
You ask for nothing and you want
Everything
You want to take another photograph
Say it makes you think of me
If it only took a photograph
I think you'd still be here with me
Stay with me, we'll be closer than the stars
Sunday I'll be gone
And you can wear all the colors that you want
Sunday I'll be gone
Yeah, Sunday I'll be gone
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/modern/Georgia-OKeeffe.htm lhttp://www.arthistoryarchive.com/art...Photo-1918.jpg
"Georgia O'Keeffe gained worldwide fame for her austere minimalist paintings of the US Southwest. "
“I do not like the idea of happiness — it is too momentary — I would say that I was always busy and interested in something — interest has more meaning to me than the idea of happiness.”
"Artists and religionists are never far apart, they go to the sources of revelation for what they choose to experience and what they report is the degree of their experiences. Intellect wishes to arrange - intuition wishes to accept."
So far I only have O'Keeffe and Klimt as sx/sp. Probably also John Atkinson Grimshaw by way of VI and the content of his paintings (although mainly landscapes, there's a stifling quality in most of his art and subtle interplays of darkness and light). Maybe someone else has extra suggestions.
Franz Marc - Tiger
http://www.franzmarc.org/images/paintings/tiger.jpg
Fighting Forms
http://www.franzmarc.org/images/pain...ting-forms.jpg
(German expressionist)
I can't resonate with any of the images posted on this page. Too many pretty faces, not enough badass bar brawls.
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Originally Posted by Galen
Lilith is a classic bitch who eats babies and reins over a whole bunch of succubi. I chose an aesthetically relevant image, man. Some researchers say the biblical snake is actually only a metaphor for this first wife of adam banished from eden for more or less obscured reasons. Lemme get more commercial.
http://mariamism.com/wp-content/uplo...ith-Effect.jpg
I'll try to find some samples who don't look like psychopaths later.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rcing_eyes.jpg
" Everyone who met Rasputin remarked on his eyes and how hypnotic they were. His "shining steel-like" or "bright and brilliant" and "intelligent" eyes became legendary. According to Theofan, Paul Kurlov and Count Kokotsov he had "piercing" eyes. to Yusupov his eyes were "phosphorescent"; toTamara Karsavinahe had the eyes of a maniac. Elena Dzhanumova wrote in her diary: “What eyes he has! You cannot endure his gaze for long."
Dude at work: Within, you've got that perfect psychopath backslick, just as xxxx and xxxx and xxxx. (Listing patients with Antisocial personality disorder).
Me: You think my backslick is perfect?
Dude at work: I'm saying you creep me out.
Me: Excuse me, I have to return some video tapes.
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Originally Posted by SisOfNight
The sexual life of adult women is a “dark continent” for psychology. The Question of Lay Analysis
Sigmund Freud, EII E5w6 sx/sp (some people type him LII...)
I'm sure eno is also sx/sp. He's typed E5w6, but I think he's E5w4 (in any case strong 4 fix, not 6)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...ll-Wil-005.jpg
The music of this band can vacillate between sx/sp and sp/sx. I imagine the members consist of both sx/sp and sp/sx types by their vibe.
http://www.braingell.com/wp-content/...dyingbride.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=884zYIAoOs0
William Blake, The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun
http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-conten...hed_in_sun.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...BL._SY355_.jpg
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Originally Posted by Agni
My father has eyes like that. He is pretty much a sx/sp exemplar.
Pink's music strikes me as sx/sp.
I think she's sx/so ...SLE Enneagram 8, maybe that's why she sounds more angry/edgy and less socially levelled out.
I cannot identify with absolutely anything in the cartoon above, it vibes sp/sx, just like Joan Cornella.
methinks the lady is SEE sx/sp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qURKt4maw
too bad, I identify the fuck out of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Agni
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Originally Posted by Galen
I didn't want to be overly intrusive when I read your long monologue ....but I think you associate the sx/sp stack with loneliness and low sex drive due to a specific sexual orientation...? Sx first has an extremely high relational energy generally, if anything (by this I mean ofc much more than sex). They can hardly stay single for a long time. Just saying. But I do respect your personal experiences and understanding.