Your typing of forum members (archived '15-'17)

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Originally Posted by Myst

'kay. Btw I don't actually have a problem with @Adam Strange even though it's true he doesn't get certain people stuff well at all. Which he's well aware of I think? It doesn't bother me like it bothers some people for some reason. To me it's obvious that he doesn't have bad intentions.

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you looove adam!

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

you looove adam!

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Sure, lovely duality :D

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

you looove adam!

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Any guesses on what type Ricky is..?

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

im the mbti super user

as to how the types of ignorance can be useful, a lot of it is survival based. ESI is known to "preserve their indviduality despite all hostility"--now under some circumstances thats unnecessary and weird, but under others its actually a good thing, like if your society came to be dominated by a totalitarian regime and you were the last keeper of certain traditions and ideas, think orthodox Christians in the soviet union or something to that effect. the propriety of resistance to outside influence depends entirely on the nature of that outside influence. ESIs manifest that in the negative when they're resistant to good influence, etc etc. the idea is you need your dual to help bring you into balance with the world because they present information in a way that gently ushers you into a more comprehensive reality

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Out of curiosity, what difference in Ne PoLR between ESI and LSI were you referring to earlier?

I read this one thing about it that was very spot-on based on my observations, if stuck in a situation requiring Ne, ESI will go and stay in a corner and LSI will go run around trying to find a way running headlong into the wall a lot lol.

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

you looove adam!

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Did I make this a running gag? :lol:

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Originally Posted by wacey

Any guesses on what type Ricky is..?

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Maybe ILI.

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Originally Posted by Jailbait

Did I make this a running gag? :lol:



Maybe ILI.

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Yeah, I thought, ILI, LSI, SLI, LII

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Originally Posted by Myst

@Number 9 large So you actually think I *must* have negative/malicious intentions while it's you who keeps pouring on the malice/hostility.

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And no Myst just because I think you're ignorant doesn't necessarily mean I find you malicious, it's just that I couldn't comprehend such ignorance from existing that's why I pondered if it might be maliciousness. But apparently not. Anyway doesn't take away the fact that I fucking hate ignorance. It's probably the root cause for most suffering in the world.

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

in that sense it seems like confict is not the enemy per se, neither is pain, rather it is the failure to address things before they get worse that is the enemy, and it often takes the "clothes" of people saying conflict is the enemy or pain is the enemy, its like no, the enemy is the process of such things becoming worse and worse, not atomic acts aimed at stopping that process

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Well sure, sweep things under the rug enough, and eventually you'll get a pile too big for the rug to contain.

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Originally Posted by Number 9 large

And no Myst just because I think you're ignorant doesn't necessarily mean I find you malicious, it's just that I couldn't comprehend such ignorance from existing that's why I pondered if it might be maliciousness. But apparently not. Anyway doesn't take away the fact that I fucking hate ignorance. It's probably the root cause for most suffering in the world.

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Tell me already what kind of ignorance you keep babbling about. Me disagreeing with you is great ignorance? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by Number 9 large

By the way did you seriously change your type to EIE? I thought you were being sarcastic and mocking @Aylen when she called you out on probably changing your type to EIE in the future, but
this quote

made me think you are actually being serious about it.

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I knew he was going in that direction for a while, just from skimming his posts. Me calling it out, 2 or 3 times, was just giving him a little push in the direction he was already headed. Did I cause it? In a sense I did. I knew it was likely to move things along a bit quicker and I was bored of the LIE act. It wasn't some great act of foresight on my part, just passive observation that I didn't really remember until he kicked me out of beta and caught my attention. lol Then I put some things together. The EIE (beta) cleansing has begun...He will change it again, eventually. He has typed into 3 quadra so far. Only one left is Alpha. LII? ESE? Will Dolos feed on his eternal soul? Stay tuned...

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Originally Posted by Aylen

I knew he was going in that direction for a while, just from skimming his posts. Me calling it out, 2 or 3 times, was just giving him a little push in the direction he was already headed. Did I cause it? In a sense I did. I knew it was likely to move things along a bit quicker and I was bored of the LIE act. It wasn't some great act of foresight on my part, just passive observation that I didn't really remember until he kicked me out of beta and caught my attention. lol Then I put some things together. The EIE (beta) cleansing has begun...He will change it again, eventually. He has typed into 3 quadra so far. Only one left is Alpha. LII? ESE? Will Dolos feed on his eternal soul? Stay tuned...

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@Aylen hey at least he's changing types so that's probably a good thing. :confused: Once he's been all 16 maybe he actually will transform into a super mbti user @idontgiveaf lmao

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Originally Posted by Myst

Tell me already what kind of ignorance you keep babbling about. Me disagreeing with you is great ignorance? Seriously?

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Im not gonna explain it for the 100th time read back on my posts jesus

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Originally Posted by Number 9 large

Im not gonna explain it for the 100th time read back on my posts jesus

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You never explained it directly, let alone address my earlier points. The only concrete thing you said was me not seeing disrespectfulness but then your trying to continually insult me isn't disrespectful?

Okay, fuck off for real.

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Originally Posted by Myst

You never explained it directly, let alone address my earlier points. The only concrete thing you said was me not seeing disrespectfulness but then your trying to continually insult me isn't disrespectful?

Okay, fuck off for real.

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Yeh thats the real issue here. The fact that you dont see my explanations as explanations LOL how stupid can you be :D

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Originally Posted by Number 9 large

Yeh thats the real issue here. The fact that you dont see my explanations as explanations LOL how stupid can you be :D

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I'm starting to think you have some insecurity in this area about intellect or why keep harping on other people's intelligence? It makes you come off really childish btw.

What is it with this forum turning molehills into mountains? Is Myst being overly persistent in retyping people? Sure. Does it matter? Not really. In the end of the day, you are X type regardless of what people type you. Having someone call you Y type repeatedly is not going to change that you are X type. If you are actually Y type then you will come to that conclusion eventually on your own. So getting upset over your type being questioned is kind of silly.

Also, people underestimate the amount of variance within type so even within type you can get very different people. I find that I have more in common with non-IEEs rather than IEEs more often than not. Does this make me or them not IEE? No, and that's because Socionics only explains a limited amount of your personality and other psychological factors play a larger role.

Does this mean that Socionics doesn't exist or is useless? No, it means Socionics is often overrated by many in this forum especially newbies for explaining people's personalities, but it still has limited practical use nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Myst

I'm starting to think you have some insecurity in this area about intellect or why keep harping on other people's intelligence? It makes you come off really childish btw.

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Yeah whatever im done arguing with you

Everyone on 16 types lately has been acting real cranky, everyone needs to get laid already and talk it over a few pints.

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Originally Posted by Pole

Everyone on 16 types lately has been acting real cranky, everyone needs to get laid already and talk it over a few pints.

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True dat. volunteer? :P

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Originally Posted by Myst

Out of curiosity, what difference in Ne PoLR between ESI and LSI were you referring to earlier?

I read this one thing about it that was very spot-on based on my observations, if stuck in a situation requiring Ne, ESI will go and stay in a corner and LSI will go run around trying to find a way running headlong into the wall a lot lol.

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http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...unctions-Eglit

remember + functions mean movement towards and locality (although base function is the exception in that there is a dimension of globality to it even in the +)
- functions mean a broader perspective and movement away from
- functions can operate in the realm of the positive, but + functions are poorly oriented if asked to act in a - capacity (usually they'll cover with some other function)

ESI and LSI are inverted relative to one another +/-

Se + -
Fi - +
Ti - +
Ne + -

thus the major difference is what information they focus on and how they deal with unknowns. LSI deals in +Ti and ESI -Fi, meaning LSI notices and improves upon detailed thinking structures, whereas ESI notices poor relations and wants to prevent or stop them (via Se). ESI has +Ne which means they're likely to think in terms of "I already know whats going on" whereas LSI has -Ne which is more like "I need to be vigilant and move away from mistakes or errors in my picture of things"

any polr is going to be low res and tend to under/overshoot the mark (or 1d functions in general) so the idea is here is ESI is more known for overconfidence in their knowledge on the basis of failing to recognize their own disconnect with the true picture of things, because they orient poorly in the realm of -Ne. They base a lot of their picture of the world in relation to their Fi, which means having a really unique inner picture because its dominated by their relations and the picture tends to be governed by that rather than informing the relations, thus they will make a lot of excuses for loved ones and believe lies and stuff like that. LSI is more about building a hyperrational Ti structure and uses Ne to avoid errors, thus when overdone it comes off as paranoia or overly critical or hasty rejections of ideas that they believe hold no merit, because they want to avoid wrong pictures but do so in a low res way (this is how they butt heads with the Hux).

thus they can each be close minded in their own way, ESI as kind of guilible at least in regards to people they care about, and LSI as being a huge skeptic. a lot of this has to do with their dual, Jack requires trust and Hamlet needs a grain of salt, etc etc (both need sensory support, just like their dual needs intuitional support)

the way you come off, Myst, is very ESI cause its got that +Ne "spacey" feel but its low res. it can be very charming :) but also sometimes annoying because its like you're on another planet every once in a while

when LSIs come off close minded its not a funny "alternate reality" but its in a dismal "void of meaning", LSIs seem very "black" in that sense. the quadral pictures @Slugabed posted of the guy with the syringe represented that feeling of sharp edges and compact efficiency but lacking any fluff, and full of intensity and will but lacking in imagination and ethical "light". LSI is very lean, maybe too lean

I knew an LSI I really liked and he was so full of potential but he would say "I'm going nowhere" because he knew at that moment he had no concrete long term hopes or goals and it was like he'd get stuck and just see his total trajectory clear as day start to finish. it used to really break my heart because he could do almost anything he just couldnt see why he ought to. he didn't even say it with pathos, it was just a statement of fact; the problem was he couldn't see the pathos and see the meaning. when I told him about why I joined the Army he lit up because he had rejected the idea rather hastily on the basis of it being GWs war for profit, but I told him the war was gonna happen either way, and better it be carried out with a peppering of people who knew it was a scam so they could at least bring some sanity to the thing rather than leave it to fall on ignorant farm boys and people like that, who are just going to walk away with PTSD. it was a real moment because you could see it was just those kinds of narratives that he craved to get going. maybe that's not all correct, but it was better than nothing thats for sure

the guy was a master of whatever he did, he could have easily passed selection into SF if that was what he wanted. and he was mentally tough beyond belief, and thats whats required to wield the scapel

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Originally Posted by wacey

Any guesses on what type Ricky is..?

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It's evident that he's one of those creepy LIEs who likes to sell drugs and doing all sort of anti Si stuff for money. :content:
Also he's a victim of his disturbed dad, which enforces his role.

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Originally Posted by Slugabed

It's evident that he's one of those creepy LIEs who likes to sell drugs and doing all sort of anti Si stuff for money. :content:
Also he's a victim of his disturbed dad, which enforces his role.

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It is not recommended that one does psychedelics and practice socionics at the same time. That's like drinking and driving.

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Originally Posted by Phil Osifer

It is not recommended that one does psychedelics and practice socionics at the same time. That's like drinking and driving.

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...that's what I told you the last time but here you are.:)

@Bertrand ok it's funny we both type each other ESI :p

So thanks for the elaboration, and let me respond to some of the stuff you posted.

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

thus the major difference is what information they focus on and how they deal with unknowns. LSI deals in +Ti and ESI -Fi, meaning LSI notices and improves upon detailed thinking structures, whereas ESI notices poor relations and wants to prevent or stop them (via Se). ESI has +Ne which means they're likely to think in terms of "I already know whats going on" whereas LSI has -Ne which is more like "I need to be vigilant and move away from mistakes or errors in my picture of things"

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Yeah, I relate to the LSI version here.

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any polr is going to be low res and tend to under/overshoot the mark (or 1d functions in general) so the idea is here is ESI is more known for overconfidence in their knowledge on the basis of failing to recognize their own disconnect with the true picture of things, because they orient poorly in the realm of -Ne. They base a lot of their picture of the world in relation to their Fi, which means having a really unique inner picture because its dominated by their relations and the picture tends to be governed by that rather than informing the relations, thus they will make a lot of excuses for loved ones and believe lies and stuff like that. LSI is more about building a hyperrational Ti structure and uses Ne to avoid errors, thus when overdone it comes off as paranoia or overly critical or hasty rejections of ideas that they believe hold no merit, because they want to avoid wrong pictures but do so in a low res way (this is how they butt heads with the Hux).

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Lol believing lies just because someone is supposed to be a loved one... what kind of naivity is that, letting yourself be taken advantage of.

Yeah, I reject ideas that I think are wrong, a couple people here apparently have a problem with that. Squark got a problem with it for example. Then some people don't mind so much. And then with some people I can actually converse and share ideas without anyone getting butthurt.

I do always process more data to refine things so even if it can take a while to do a paradigm shift in the understanding, this is my own brand of open-mindedness. I don't really have another way, not gonna become an IEE.

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the way you come off, Myst, is very ESI cause its got that +Ne "spacey" feel but its low res. it can be very charming :) but also sometimes annoying because its like you're on another planet every once in a while

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I know my hyperrationality at times makes some people feel like I'm on another planet, yes. I don't really follow what the problem there exactly is but it is what it is.

I dunno what your impression of "+Ne spacey feel" is like. However it's probably a mutual impression of not fully processing each other's informational output, when I read your writings I do find a lot of it strangely implicit stuff even though overall it's interesting stuff. It's a big part of why I think you are ESI, Ethics is implicit and the introverted form of Ethics is especially abstract, not directly expressed in that sense. I do tend to connect with ESIs decently over concrete (Se) matters though. It's just their feelings that are less accessible to me, I only "get" part of it.

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when LSIs come off close minded its not a funny "alternate reality" but its in a dismal "void of meaning", LSIs seem very "black" in that sense. the quadral pictures @Slugabed posted of the guy with the syringe represented that feeling of sharp edges and compact efficiency but lacking any fluff, and full of intensity and will but lacking in imagination and ethical "light". LSI is very lean, maybe too lean

I knew an LSI I really liked and he was so full of potential but he would say "I'm going nowhere" because he knew at that moment he had no concrete long term hopes or goals and it was like he'd get stuck and just see his total trajectory clear as day start to finish. it used to really break my heart because he could do almost anything he just couldnt see why he ought to. he didn't even say it with pathos, it was just a statement of fact; the problem was he couldn't see the pathos and see the meaning. when I told him about why I joined the Army he lit up because he had rejected the idea rather hastily on the basis of it being GWs war for profit, but I told him the war was gonna happen either way, and better it be carried out with a peppering of people who knew it was a scam so they could at least bring some sanity to the thing rather than leave it to fall on ignorant farm boys and people like that, who are just going to walk away with PTSD. it was a real moment because you could see it was just those kinds of narratives that he craved to get going. maybe that's not all correct, but it was better than nothing thats for sure

the guy was a master of whatever he did, he could have easily passed selection into SF if that was what he wanted. and he was mentally tough beyond belief, and thats whats required to wield the scapel

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OK I will have to say I never had a void of meaning in my life. I could always create it for myself. I did read some Ni books as a teenager and that and some other stuff probably helped. I just have drive for what I want that I don't plan to drop.

the one person you remind me of ESI wise loved me so I'm ok with this. its sort of awesome because you've transcended the real so completely its no longer a threat to "the truth" but just testament to it. like you bring people together without even realizing it and that's a good thing

you're just like on another level; I used to joke I only understood her when I was high and tell all my friends you gotta smoke with her itll totally change your opinion (everyone at work found her super difficult to deal with)... and I was totally serious it was great to get access to those insights because they were so weird and unique yet absolutely true from a certain point of view

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

the one person you remind me of ESI wise loved me so I'm ok with this. its sort of awesome because you've transcended the real so completely its no longer a threat to "the truth" but just testament to it. like you bring people together without even realizing it and that's a good thing

you're just like on another level; I used to joke I only understood her when I was high and tell all my friends you gotta smoke with her itll totally change your opinion (everyone at work found her super difficult to deal with)... and I was totally serious it was great to get access to those insights because they were so weird and unique yet absolutely true from a certain point of view

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Weed goggles; when even your cat becomes insightful.

"Wow kitty, that was a very meaningful meow. I never saw things that way. . . " hehehe

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Originally Posted by Medusa

I regularly see Te valuing types finding an issue with the fact that Socionics lacks a clear standardized typing method or questionnaire. Te valuing types often put a lot of emphasis on test results. But unfortunately, there is no reliable canon test out there, which can be frustrating for them. Furthermore, the Fi ego types often like to rely on the opinions and views of external "expert" opinion, but again, Socionics is a mix of personal opinions. The theories of all those people are making up the typology salad. The only thing that seems to be more or less canon is Model A and perhaps the Quadras. The rest is all a matter of preference and personal perspective. There all kinds of takes on the IMs, the subtypes, the dichotomies, and so forth. In my opinion, this is pretty much Ti. That's also why opinions on someone's type can range very dramatically in Socionics. One person types someone as LSI, the other types them as EIE. I've never seen anything like that in MBTI circles. Yes, MBTI can be overly simplistic, but it is much more standardized in a Te fashion. There is an official test and a simplistic way of typing people by the 4 letters. In that manner, MBTI people ironically agree on someone's type more often, or at least there is not as big of a divergence in opinion. Also, the MBTI has been used for careers and such, which is also rather Te. I am rather sure that the originators of the MBTI were Te valuing. Whereas Socionics is much more navel-gazing in contrast; it is more about understanding the self and others, than actually applying the theory. (That could explain why many Socionists can come up with great theoretical content but somehow fail at typing enough people accurately.)

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I'm bringing this dead old comment back just to say that If I could marry it I would. It states all the reasons why my relationship with Socionics is as stable as Justin Bieber. MBTI frustrates me for it's superficiality and incompleteness, Socionics drives me insane with the lack of proper evidence and objectivity. But above both being crappy I'm at fault for depending on them to make sense of myself :doh:

@Socionics:

http://i.imgur.com/j5H7UK6.gif

Shaebette is clearly Fe>Fi .

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Originally Posted by Medusa

I regularly see Te valuing types finding an issue with the fact that Socionics lacks a clear standardized typing method or questionnaire. Te valuing types often put a lot of emphasis on test results. But unfortunately, there is no reliable canon test out there, which can be frustrating for them. Furthermore, the Fi ego types often like to rely on the opinions and views of external "expert" opinion, but again, Socionics is a mix of personal opinions. The theories of all those people are making up the typology salad. The only thing that seems to be more or less canon is Model A and perhaps the Quadras. The rest is all a matter of preference and personal perspective. There all kinds of takes on the IMs, the subtypes, the dichotomies, and so forth. In my opinion, this is pretty much Ti. That's also why opinions on someone's type can range very dramatically in Socionics. One person types someone as LSI, the other types them as EIE. I've never seen anything like that in MBTI circles. Yes, MBTI can be overly simplistic, but it is much more standardized in a Te fashion. There is an official test and a simplistic way of typing people by the 4 letters. In that manner, MBTI people ironically agree on someone's type more often, or at least there is not as big of a divergence in opinion. Also, the MBTI has been used for careers and such, which is also rather Te. I am rather sure that the originators of the MBTI were Te valuing. Whereas Socionics is much more navel-gazing in contrast; it is more about understanding the self and others, than actually applying the theory. (That could explain why many Socionists can come up with great theoretical content but somehow fail at typing enough people accurately.)

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Good summary. I don't tho' see how you can use this theory to understand others if you can't type people accurately but that's probably my ST approach.

Medusa - ESI
Myst - ESI
Fay - ESI
Shaebette - ESI
FANXY CHILD - ESI
Chae - ESI
Bertrand - ESI
Adam Strange - ESI
squark - ESI
Phil Osifer - ESI
Slugabed - ESI
Number 9 large - ESI
idontgiveaf - ESI
Aylen - ESI
Slade - ESI
darya - ESI
Tallmo - ESI
Pole - ESI
wacey - ESI
Jailbait - ESI
Wyrd - ESI
Damocles - ESI
Raver - ESI
Vespertine - ESI
User Name - ESI
Dioklecian - ESI
nokomis - ESI
hybris theory - ESI
lungs - ESI
Persephone - ESI
Anglas - ESI
maniac - ESI
Cosmic Teapot - ESI
Zero - ESI
unsuccessfull Alphamale - ESI
Starfall - ESI
neproblems - ESI (neproblems? more like seproblems)
bgdjf - ESI
ouronis - ESI
FDG - ESI
UDP - ESI
Maritsa - EII

your Ne frightens and confuses me

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Originally Posted by super mbti user

Medusa - ESI
Myst - ESI
Fay - ESI
Shaebette - ESI
FANXY CHILD - ESI
Chae - ESI
Bertrand - ESI
Adam Strange - ESI
squark - ESI
Phil Osifer - ESI
Slugabed - ESI
Number 9 large - ESI
idontgiveaf - ESI
Aylen - ESI
Slade - ESI
darya - ESI
Tallmo - ESI
Pole - ESI
wacey - ESI
Jailbait - ESI
Wyrd - ESI
Damocles - ESI
Raver - ESI
Vespertine - ESI
User Name - ESI
Dioklecian - ESI
nokomis - ESI
hybris theory - ESI
lungs - ESI
Persephone - ESI
Anglas - ESI
maniac - ESI
Cosmic Teapot - ESI
Zero - ESI
unsuccessfull Alphamale - ESI
Starfall - ESI
neproblems - ESI (neproblems? more like seproblems)
bgdjf - ESI
ouronis - ESI
FDG - ESI
UDP - ESI
Maritsa - EII

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lmao

Problem in both is measuring right things.

MBTI looses internal consistency pretty quick if you compare the results between people. Something, which I think, I tend to see in psychology in general. This is just judging the surface.

Do we need logical creatives to confirm things? Blind spots everywhere. Freud and Jung were bit more :Ti: heavy then we have modern stuff which seems like :Ti: ignoring: models are garbage mentality when we have checklists. Pure data collection is not science in my books. You only get results. Scheme to cater societal needs, maybe.

I like Bertrand's EIE typing. I enjoy reading every word of his posts. Semi-dual/dual would make sense.

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Originally Posted by Fay

Shaebette is clearly Fe>Fi .

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What makes you say that? Do you think she's IEI then?

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Originally Posted by nokomis

I like Bertrand's EIE typing. I enjoy reading every word of his posts. Semi-dual/dual would make sense.

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I've thought he could be EIE for a while. Sometimes his posts are very insightful, other times they seem to lapse into Faulkner on a bad day. The only type I can imagine doing that is EIE. That, or he's heavily into some good drugs.

first order of business is to conquer delta quadra

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Originally Posted by Bertrand

first order of business is to conquer delta quadra

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http://i.imgur.com/dQo541I.png

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I've thought he could be EIE for a while. Sometimes his posts are very insightful, other times they seem to lapse into Faulkner on a bad day. The only type I can imagine doing that is EIE. That, or he's heavily into some good drugs.

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I know. Sometimes he goes a little off the deep end with his musings but I still find it interesting.

My very initial impression was IEE but that doesn't make much sense anymore. EIE fits much better. He's clearly not a logical ego type. But he's also clearly not a delta NF or Gamma SF whom usually drive me batshit insane when they go off trying to sound theoretical or academic.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I've thought he could be EIE for a while. Sometimes his posts are very insightful, other times they seem to lapse into Faulkner on a bad day. The only type I can imagine doing that is EIE. That, or he's heavily into some good drugs.

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Weren't you thinking he was SLI a little while ago based on your super accurate VI techniques?