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paper is so victimy lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Cassandra is probably IEI.
P.S. you are all a bunch of nutcases.
To me, Cassandra seems like a... fairly normal... 22 year old (?)... who happens to have stumbled on this forum... for some reason... which is basically a cesspool of insanity.
If I'm not mistaken she's only 20.
That's my view as well - certainly nice enough, but unflappable and unflexible.Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
I actually think she's IEI, the only odd thing about her theories is that they are so conventional (I know, SO/SX!!!!) and strict (I know, Ti HA!!!!). It's like she has problems with thinking outside of the box, which is weird for intuitive leads. She literally never surprises me with any of her insights, it's always something that was written a thousand times before and I can always predict what she's going to say, her opinions on matters and reasonings - weirdly categorical and predictable for a thought process of a supposed IEI-Ni 4w5, who is one of the more unconventional and misunderstood types on this planet. Imo that goes beyond wearing black clothes, but maybe I'm only over-romanticizing the 4w5's inner workings. With her it's more like she read a manual (on socionics, enneagram, imago theory, biological theories of gender, attachment styles etc.), and is now teaching the world about it, but none of the insights are off the track of established theory (her understanding of it) or groundbreaking.
BUT I do not see SEI opperating in this matter at all, so I guess she's IEI. Adam is certainly like her encouraging father, who agrees with her on everything, but that doesn't mean they are in the same quadra or anything. People can or can't get along with any type. It is hilarious to observe nonetheless because both of them are so dead set on inter-type theory : P
EDIT: SEI's are WAY more adjustable and blurrier in their world views and opinions than Cassandra is.
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Originally Posted by Singularity
I'll take it as a compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake
ILE's and ESE's seem to be confused on this forum a lot. Goofy ILE's mistyped into ESE's imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by echidna1000
I don't think anyone would retype someone based on a single relationship. There is a consistent pattern of him getting along very well with Fe creatives and poorly with Fi bases. With the help of cass, he's done a good job of speaking with enough self-designated authority on the nature of LIEs - rich geniuses who are relationally confident enough to relentlessly chase women, are always the boss, and behave like lone alpha wolves - to influence the prevailing view of the forum into seeing LIEs in this fashion, but it's not how I see them, and I think a lot of that is either not sociotype related or even in direct conflict with theory. He's incredibly inconsistent and unreliable and will quickly recontextualize his opinions in order to avoid conflict or remain "correct," he puts theory before reality, and he speaks confidently about things he has no evidence or way to empirically back up, expecting to taken at his word on the basis of his confidence, which all speaks away from LIE and towards ILE, in my opinion. Just because somebody pretends to know everything and structures their personality around their ability to make money doesn't make them LIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by handjob
lol, this is just a bunch of stereotyping. But I'm sure someone will come up with "proof" that Cassandra is SEI and Adam Strange is ILE or whatever.
Cassandra and Adam Strange may get along, but they're both the kind of people that get along with pretty much anyone (as long as you're not annoyed by them).
No, "im LIE because I know how to make money" is stereotyping.
"he's not LIE because he quickly recontextualizes his statements in a slippery and unreliable fashion when challenged" speaks directly to function use (Ne).
This is all very interesting. Personally, I'd have said that I get along slightly better with Fi-valuers than I do with Fe valuers, and vice-versa, but the difference is not great. There are some Fe-valuers whom I like better than some Fi-valuers, and vice-versa, but that is to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
Sometimes, I wonder if I might be a type other than LIE. But the great majority of tests I have taken say LIE, and LIE also is consistent with the way I get along with others, even considering the relationships I've had long before I encountered socionics. But of course, you could be right about me being ILE and all the other indicators could be wrong.
I guess I'll have to see if I can start dating SEI's.
Or maybe start dating the one you're the most attracted to :crispy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Good advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Attraction comes in many flavors, though. There is physical, intellectual, emotional, social, professional, and pheromone-based attraction. There is short-term, medium term, and long-term attraction. There is attraction to crazies and attraction to secures. Gotta narrow it down somehow. :lol:
I think people should first know each other in person / video before being able to make clear judgments about one another's type / ideas. Some people have a writing style which may come across as preachy because they purposefully change their interaction style in writing.
Indeed Cassandra comes off as very definite in her writing, but it may just be her writing style and not too type related.
Both Adam and Cassandra have a teacher-like writing style. It may indeed be annoying if you already know enough about the subject they're teaching.
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Originally Posted by Singularity
My suspicion is most of us forumites come off far less annoying in person :) There are exceptions ofc, but they're easy to spot. There's something about internet that brings out the inner asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
I wouldn't say IEIs generally desire to cause conflict. The suggestive function is not something we are generally active with. Some of them do engage in it but it varies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy
Seriously? I don't see anything said here as nuttier than you arguing for days, and pages, on Taylor Swift's type. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Singularity
People have actually been pretty gentle sharing their opinions on her because she is nice and they don't want to hurt her feelings. I always feel like I might be hurting her feelings so I tend to be particularly careful with her in a way I might not be toward other people who self type beta.
Her age is why I don't really have any set ideas on her type in socionics. I feel the same way about Wyrd who is close to the same age. Someone like chae is more extroverted so even though she is in the same age range, as them, I think her self type now is pretty fitting for the personality she expresses on the forum. There is a missing element though since I will not see these people express themselves in their natural environments, so I get a partial image with the information they provide, then I fill in the rest with my own intuition.
I usually take a "wait and see" approach with anyone under 25, even if they pinged my Ni radar. I see how people who have been on this forum for years started self typing (or others typed them) as one thing, but as they grew up they started self typing something totally different. Her cognitive functions are still developing, as is her worldview.
Like others, I have considered that she could fit SEI or EII too so why are people nuts for considering different types for her when she does the same thing? If speculating about someone's type is the reason they are nutty then she too would be nutty. I am sure as a self typed 4 she appreciates being called "fairly normal" though. :p
I thought @squark's comparison to the actress was a good catch for VI purposes. I agree that actress is SEI in socionics terms. I like her.
ps. Now you all know I am the one true EII-Ne on k4's list. All the other EII-Ne are just imitating (he actually called me a mimic before and said that points to EII too) It may be nutty, of me, but it made me feel EXTRA special that he did that. I hope he doesn't add another EII-Ne now just to spite me. Without Mari here to challenge that typing I can work my way up the Delta hierarchy in a couple of days. Nothing can stop me from being Queen of the Damned Deltas.
pps. I eat SLE for snack time because EII-Ne all have a little Jodi Arias in them. :agent:
You know what they say - when everybody around you is an asshole (nutcase/can't type)...it's you that's an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Actually one of the reasons I once said I don't see clear Se valuing in Cassandra is because she gets thrown off by banter and rudeness. She even said in chattbox that she can't understand how people can be so rude and direct, when Perse and someone else (Merky?) were teasing each other. She seems to equate Fe with friendliness and politness, when it's not always that at all, especially not with Beta NF's. That and the fact that she never types any celebrity ESE for example (everybody is gamma SF or an occasional SEI) is making me doubt her distinction between Fe and Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
It's possible that this is due to lack of irl exposure and habituation, rather than strictly/only type-related. Good point re: Fi/Fe distinction though.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Or maybe she just had some experiences and she knows exactly what she's talking about.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Agreed, that's not enough of a base to type her anything, just an observation. The problematic (and admittedly annoying) thing is that she bases other's typings on her very specific character, when it's not even benchmark IEI - like, as seen from all the people that are doubting it (unless they're all idiots ofc). Also, if ethicals interact with her in a cheery goofy harmless way, they are more likely to be typed Fe ego (Chae at first, for example. Bullets is another example). If anyone disagrees or makes a negative evaluation of something -> FiVille. When I've personally seen her make statements that could be easily cherry picked as Fi value statements and if somebody else would said them she would pick it out right away. It's also odd, because Bullets for example makes quite a few Fi statements (which is actually normal for any ethical person, especially 4D Fi one and also many others, duh), but that's somehow overlooked by her (or is it? maybe he's been thrown to FiVille by now lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
The way I see it, intuition means seeing a bigger picture, more like an impression, not cherry pick statements like a blind person. It comes off very literal and short-sighted. But that's been said enough times already : )
If you're going to present yourself as a Teacher of socionics and Truth Teller TM with various blogs, you've opened yourself to criticism imo.
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Originally Posted by darya
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Y'all I asked her to try the questionnaire once, if she took it that could create a new perspective and give insight. :thumbsup: Is that an idea or nah?
man, I woke up today and its like Christmas in this thread,
yall are doing so good
:hug:
You guys are no better than K4M. I spoke too soon.
It's kind of borderline disgusting bullying / internet witchhunt-like. Whatever satisfies people I guess. Guess that's the standard for this place.
what's so disgusting? I thought the discussion was really interesting and productiveQuote:
Originally Posted by niffer
This is why you're Fe polr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand
Collectively grilling people on their type and mass roasting them (especially likely mostly over some weird ridiculous personal sentiments or beef people have, which is especially messed up since Adam Strange and Cassandra are among the nicest people on the forum and Cass is a 20 year old girl now being talked about in 3rd person even though she can read it later), is witchhunty and borderline abusive.
were we roasting people?
i think people just find both adam and cassandra interesting, and their cases make for good discussion (better than what's your favorite x discussions which I find totally useless)
maybe its just a difference in quadral values--to me this conversation was %100 respectful and awesome. in fact it seems to me a kind of compliment that people were worthy of mention whereas most people I don't even care enough to think about
When I was a mod you got on my case in chatbox because you thought that people with poor typing skills should be moderated. I wonder what you had in mind to implement that when you find it inappropriate for people to even casually discuss opinions about such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by niffer
nothing but perfectly rendered andy beirsack discussion :P
you know, the important stuff
Oh, I didn't notice that you aren't a mod anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
I wanted to let you know that you are like the obese welfare mom from the movie Precious shitting on someone half your age: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1191264
niffer is fiesty today :hyper:
She's one of the most respected people on the forum wrt socionics, which has contributed to a certain level of discourse here that affects everyone. She's not a helpless infant and she goes out of her way to instruct and lead. I haven't seen that movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by niffer
You should watch it.
I'm like this every day @Bertrand : )
Would you have banned her if you disagree with her, or merely moved her posts to a special subforum for "bad socionics," along the lines of what you suggested previously? or would there be an age limit for those measures?
being shallow isn't an insult and neither is the idea you may be some other type. in a weird way they do go together though :content:
low Fi is cute
look at niffer get all protective over trivialities :hug:
I feel like mature adults can have these discussions and come out feeling better not worse
Fe polr proof #2 in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Bertrand