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11-11-2016, 07:57 PM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Spider

I believe that. As long as I've known you, you've struck me as consistent

So you are hoping for it I see ;)

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But I don't know that she's nasty, fundamentally. She simply strikes me as young, defensive in a fruitless way, and somewhat reminiscent of myself in times I'd rather not recall :blow:

Well it does come across as weirdly "disconnected" from the actual situations - but at the same time it's nasty.

I would imagine you a bit differently from what I've seen so far. (About how your defensiveness etc. would manifest - this has nothing to do with degree of nastiness, btw)

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I didn't follow this discussion closely, but in any case, please don't descend to this futile railing against the internet. You can slap me twice for presuming you might, if you haven't, but as someone who always gets dragged into emotions of others ... It's too easy

I don't understand this phrase of yours about "railing against the internet".

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On her type I'd like to disagree.... Were you there when she was describing mental imagery? ILE has Ni ignoring, so I think if she were ILE she'd act more dismissive to anything but the reminiscent visions of Si... I guess she could be lying but what would be the point
That's why I'm staying with intx (EII possible but she seems to perceive absence before presence and negativist/positivist is one of the only reinins that I think work)
Intuitive subtype either way

I did not exclude INTx, I thought that was clear from what I said about her type.

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There was something she said the other day that struck me as active Ni devaluing but I don't have the interest to search archives. I'm personally like.. hyper aware of this one function thing that makes me cringe because one of my parents has it, and it's not super common but when I see it in people it's like bright red light. I believe this is Se polr, but it could be Se ds. Particularly, I think it belongs to Ne LII which is what my dad types (tests agree, though sometimes he scores Ne EII instead, and Ne LII description seems fitting for sure)—it's like, LII are very collected and coolheaded until they snap, and then they can shout and say violet things and make jerky abortive gestures, which would be comical if it weren't so painful to watch. I think it means Se emerging into consciousness under no control of the person, so it's wildly overdone.. train going off the rails
Ne LII and Se LSI can certainly display volatile intertype

I've experienced Se of LII-Ne differently from what Shiver's been doing here. But clearly there are nonsocionics factors playing into all this, too.
11-11-2016, 08:16 PM
strangeling

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Originally Posted by Aylen

http://thesmartlocal.com/images/easy...inness/dad.gif

Thanks :biggrin:
11-11-2016, 08:20 PM
darya

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Originally Posted by thehotelambush

This is a bit silly. First of all Adam Strange is the name of a superhero. Liking comics is not a great indicator of someone's type...Can you try to provide some actual observations about their personalities?

No, I can't :) I wasn't aware this is a superhero - jesus, is anybody on this forum not into animes or superheroes :doh:. I think LIE makes more sense for him than LSE. He seems like some dorky Bill Gates type, not down to earth LSE provider. I've nothing against you, but I'm a bit sick when people act like it's forbidden to write your own impression of people's type without a phd thesis - I don't own anybody any explanation, don't always have 5 hours to write down everything or I simply only have an intiutive impression. Or, most likely, don't care to.
11-11-2016, 08:26 PM
Exodus

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Originally Posted by darya

No, I can't :) I wasn't aware this is a superhero - jesus, is anybody on this forum not into animes or superheroes :doh:. I think LIE makes more sense for him than LSE. He seems like some dorky Bill Gates type, not down to earth LSE provider. I've nothing against you, but I'm a bit sick when people act like it's forbidden to write your own impression of people's type without a phd thesis - I don't own anybody any explanation, don't always have 5 hours to write down everything or I simply only have an intiutive impression. Or I simply don't care to.

Your opinion isn't worth anything if you can't back it up...you might consider keeping it to yourself in that case.

As for your observations I don't agree that Adam is a dorky Bill Gates type -- he seems more like the pure business- and success-oriented type tbh.
11-11-2016, 08:38 PM
darya

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Originally Posted by thehotelambush

Your opinion isn't worth anything if you can't back it up...you might consider keeping it to yourself in that case.

As for your observations I don't agree that Adam is a dorky Bill Gates type -- he seems more like the pure business- and success-oriented type tbh.

Don't fucking tell me what I should and shouldn't keep to myself, who are you exactly?? You're free to simply ignore my comments.

How is Bill Gates not a business and sucess- oriented person and how is that not even more a definition of LIE than it is of LSE? A bussiness person can also be dorky at the same time ftr.
11-11-2016, 08:43 PM
Exodus

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Originally Posted by darya

How is Bill Gates not a business and sucess- oriented person and how is that not even more a definition of LIE than it is of LSE? A bussiness person can also be dorky at the same time ftr.

Well, I think Adam is SLE. Bill Gates is also success-oriented but he is also interested in products, technology, etc., not so much being successful for its own sake.
11-11-2016, 08:44 PM
Adam Strange

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Originally Posted by thehotelambush

Your opinion isn't worth anything if you can't back it up...you might consider keeping it to yourself in that case.

As for your observations I don't agree that Adam is a dorky Bill Gates type -- he seems more like the pure business- and success-oriented type tbh.

Actually, I am kind of dorky.

With respect to business and success, if I am doing well there, it is because I've been lucky and I'm a tech geek. Plus, I really like efficiency, and you can always make money if you find more efficient ways to do things. In fact, I kind of won't do something if it doesn't make or save money.
11-11-2016, 08:50 PM
darya

@thehotelambush I see. Hm, SLE is a rare typing for him:). I don't really see Se lead in him. Why do you think so, if you care to explain?
11-11-2016, 09:45 PM
Exodus

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Originally Posted by darya

@thehotelambush I see. Hm, SLE is a rare typing for him:). I don't really see Se lead in him. Why do you think so, if you care to explain?

I'd rather not in this thread...I've already discussed some things with Adam though.
11-11-2016, 10:18 PM
Myst

Lol Adam as SLE :eek:

...he's as Te as it gets. And I like the Ni humour of his :)
11-11-2016, 10:21 PM
Myst

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Originally Posted by thehotelambush

Well, I think Adam is SLE. Bill Gates is also success-oriented but he is also interested in products, technology, etc., not so much being successful for its own sake.

Adam is also interested in products and technology based on what he's said on forum/shoutbox before.
11-11-2016, 11:13 PM
Adam Strange

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Originally Posted by Myst

Adam is also interested in products and technology based on what he's said on forum/shoutbox before.

I am very interested in products and tech.

So, I'm pretty sure I'm LIE.

Plus, the IEI's seem to be resistant to my charms.
ESI's too, for that matter, but I'm working on that.
11-12-2016, 07:29 AM
Subteigh

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

None of these are set in stone, so feel free to negotiate with and/or fight me here. I simplify my typings a lot to get rid of what I think is redundant information (which I'll explain if you like but it's probably a bit unorthodox). If you want to be typed you can also ask me and I'll edit this. I'll edit it anyways as I type more people. Almost everyone on a typology forum has a 4 and is contraflow, what a surprise :whistle:

Alioth - ILE 648 Sp/Sx
Bled - SEE 748 Sx/So
Bullets - ILI 487 Sx/So
Director Abbie - ESE 164 Sx/So
Ghost - SEI 468 Sp/Sx
Gypsy - ESI 487 So/Sx
L25 - ILE 684 Sp/Sx
Maritsa - SEE 824 So/Sx
Satan - SLI 853 Sx/Sp
SisOfNight - IEI 459 So/Sx
Spider - ILI 863 So/Sx
Subteigh - EII 541 So/Sp
totalize - LIE 852 Sx/So
troubador - EII 459 So/Sp

My self-typing is not on here yet because I still want to see what some people here have to say without it being a reaction to my self-typing. People will already consider a lot of these impossible but unless there's a good argument I don't know, I don't see any combination as impossible. Internal strife is part of human nature, as unglamorous-sounding as that is.

I have been thinking recently that if I am a 5 that Sp-leading might be too inward-looking and non-people focused, "even" for me, and thus So/Sp may be better. I have also thought that So>Sp for any other enneagram type I consider for myself is unlikely, because all other So-leading descriptions I believe are too explicitly people-focused compared to how I am. 1>9 (as my primary type or in my tritype) may indeed fit better, and some mild form/aspect of 4 may also cover me. I find the whole enneagram typing process rather tediously impossible however.
11-12-2016, 07:39 AM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Subteigh

I have been thinking recently that if I am a 5 that Sp-leading might be too inward-looking and non-people focused, "even" for me, and thus So/Sp may be better. I have also thought that So>Sp for any other enneagram type I consider for myself is unlikely, because all other So-leading descriptions I believe are too explicitly people-focused compared to how I am. 1>9 (as my primary type or in my tritype) may indeed fit better, and some mild form/aspect of 4 may also cover me. I find the whole enneagram typing process rather tediously impossible however.

I think it works if you view it in addition to, and not having any correlation with, sociotype. As I said in another post, I think the different elements work together to give you a fairly complete description of a person. My model has 46,656 discrete types (with some very subtle gradual variations within that), and frankly I never want to meet my exact identical under my system, since I imagine it would be like meeting my doppelgänger and some combination of misfortune and death would befall me shortly after (I have too many things to do first for that, man). I think this is what most of the "Sp/So"s here actually are:

"so/sp formal (strong sp) - pulls from sp/sx for a more self contained style. soc while still primary, is muted; can seem critical and more impersonal than the other ranges. a usual focus on topics, issues, and responsibilities affecting specific levels of society. usually well connected, but in informal settings may let others do most of the talking. can seem self pres at first glance. the pundit, the judge, the commentator. george will, larry king, bill maher, bill o'reilly, helen clark, jesse ventura, margaret thatcher."

http://typewatchenneagram.blogspot.ru

I think there are some synflow people but not that many TBH, the "synflow" people mostly actually the more subdued contraflow types (So/Sp formal, So/Sx coolside, Sp/Sx ascetic, etc.). Contraflow doesn't just mean antisocial and risque, it's more of just a sort of sense of having to strive upwards vs. falling downwards with synflow. Sx/Sp tends to be way more risque than So/Sp, for example.
11-12-2016, 10:54 AM
golden

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Originally Posted by Mr inappropriate

I give tri-type for enneagram, just in numerical order. @goldenbane you too, not necessarily EII e2.

Not sure what you mean. You gave me a 2 and no other numbers.

So I guess I shouldn't ask what I did to gain the rarefied honor of the EII designation, but seriously dude, WTF DID I DO, so messed up and hilarious af :crispy: <-- bitter muppet grin
11-12-2016, 06:24 PM
Mr inappropriate

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Originally Posted by goldenbane

Not sure what you mean. You gave me a 2 and no other numbers.

So I guess I shouldn't ask what I did to gain the rarefied honor of the EII designation, but seriously dude, WTF DID I DO, so messed up and hilarious af :crispy: <-- bitter muppet grin

No, I gave you other numbers as well. I dont understand why you would be so upset at EII suggestion though, you come off as NF but quite introverted.
11-12-2016, 08:30 PM
Aylen

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

@Aylen OK, thanks. But regarding your typing, I'd like to know which of these two themes you relate to more:

1. Storm and stress, a valve containing fire that is driven inwards as it builds up but explodes outwards violently when the valve is opened, life as literal struggle of an atomized individual against the world, “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster, andwhen you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you”

2. Return to paradise, the irresistible attraction of a magnet to an immovable metal object, life as a journey of an individual through manifold wild landscapes, "And so you know your destination?" he asked. "Yes," I answered, "didn't I say so? Away-From-Here, that is my destination."

This is pretty experimental by the way, I'm just starting to survey people and see how it turns out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0PPJ_PZwz4

"It's symbolic of course"
11-12-2016, 08:54 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Aylen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0PPJ_PZwz4

"It's symbolic of course"

No thanks :shifty:
11-12-2016, 08:56 PM
Aylen

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

No thanks :shifty:

Exactly. :lol:

Analysing another's psyche and symbolism is rather difficult when you have no idea what is going on inside their head.
11-13-2016, 12:52 AM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Mr inappropriate

No, I gave you other numbers as well. I dont understand why you would be so upset at EII suggestion though, you come off as NF but quite introverted.

You mustve switched your concepts of introversion and extraversion :lol: You are extraverted but type as an introvert... Golden is clearly an extravert and you see her as introverted :thinking:
11-13-2016, 12:55 AM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

@Aylen OK, thanks. But regarding your typing, I'd like to know which of these two themes you relate to more:

1. Storm and stress, a valve containing fire that is driven inwards as it builds up but explodes outwards violently when the valve is opened, life as literal struggle of an atomized individual against the world, “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster, andwhen you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you”

2. Return to paradise, the irresistible attraction of a magnet to an immovable metal object, life as a journey of an individual through manifold wild landscapes, "And so you know your destination?" he asked. "Yes," I answered, "didn't I say so? Away-From-Here, that is my destination."

This is pretty experimental by the way, I'm just starting to survey people and see how it turns out.

Do you want others to respond too?

For first one: not a crazy explosion, usually more evened out, but otherwise relate. Liked abyss part. For second one: like wandering on landscapes part. Don't relate to the rest of it.

What was this asking about?
11-13-2016, 01:05 AM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Myst

Do you want others to respond too?

For first one: not a crazy explosion, usually more evened out, but otherwise relate. Liked abyss part. For second one: like wandering on landscapes part. Don't relate to the rest of it.

What was this asking about?

If I wanted people to respond in general, I would have posted all 27 of them. I'll do that somewhere sometime, because I really would like people to, but I still need to get them worked out a bit more. These are about enneagram tritypes. There are certain internal and external dynamics in them as I see it and I'm describing those in a highly metaphorical, archetypal, ideasythetic way, rather than the more concrete but Forer-effect-y ways you often see (which aren't entirely Forer-effect-y, but names like "Seeker", "Scholar", "Helper", "Truth-Teller", and "Strategy Master" are a lot vaguer than the archetypal names I have for the tritypes. I'll be posting various art, music, etc. associated with them once I get things more worked out. They interplay with instincts and sociotypes though so it might be tough to get generic enough for everyone).
11-13-2016, 01:14 AM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Aylen

Exactly. :lol:

Analysing another's psyche and symbolism is rather difficult when you have no idea what is going on inside their head.

I meant "no thanks" to the riding the "white horse" :P We all have a decent idea what's going on inside other's heads actually, most of it is just subconscious, the same as our awareness of everything else. Your conscious awareness compared to subconscious, even of yourself, is like this:

http://www.dimitri.co.uk/business/bu...g-floating.jpg

...And even that one didn't have a small enough tip on the iceberg for me.
11-13-2016, 12:04 PM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

If I wanted people to respond in general, I would have posted all 27 of them. I'll do that somewhere sometime, because I really would like people to, but I still need to get them worked out a bit more. These are about enneagram tritypes. There are certain internal and external dynamics in them as I see it and I'm describing those in a highly metaphorical, archetypal, ideasythetic way, rather than the more concrete but Forer-effect-y ways you often see (which aren't entirely Forer-effect-y, but names like "Seeker", "Scholar", "Helper", "Truth-Teller", and "Strategy Master" are a lot vaguer than the archetypal names I have for the tritypes. I'll be posting various art, music, etc. associated with them once I get things more worked out. They interplay with instincts and sociotypes though so it might be tough to get generic enough for everyone).

I don't see how concrete descriptions are subject to the Forer effect. If there are meaningless modifier words such as "can", "might" etc in the description then it's not a concrete description and is subject to Forer effect.

Your descriptions here are far from concrete for sure hence they can be interpreted in more than one way by people. That's a disadvantage, on the other hand I'm definitely curious about all your 27 descriptions. Which tritypes were these two about?
11-13-2016, 12:09 PM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

I meant "no thanks" to the riding the "white horse" :P We all have a decent idea what's going on inside other's heads actually, most of it is just subconscious, the same as our awareness of everything else.

O_o A decent idea? Assumptions that people make about what / how I think usually fail. I don't even try myself. Then some people try to read emotions, surprisingly enough that works a bit better. But many people don't see those well or at all either.
11-13-2016, 01:51 PM
Mr inappropriate

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Originally Posted by Myst

You mustve switched your concepts of introversion and extraversion :lol: You are extraverted but type as an introvert... Golden is clearly an extravert and you see her as introverted :thinking:

I fixed the generally accepted wrong version of them:content:
Its obvious there are more introverts than extraverts, someone who can keep up social interaction normally is not necesseraly an extravert. Check verbrante for an extravert example, just spitting out random ideas and spending mental energy almost non stop, even if all of them are useless.
Extroversion basicly depends on the limits of your comfort zone in life without the back up of items your already familiar with (like friends, social circle, forum you have already been like 5 years, same restarurant, club, etc. ). Probably this was the reason why I thought E/I wasnt static and changable before. Now, I think its not that dynamic but still you can expand your zone (like building a home and then buying/building another house somewhere else) but its not that easy. What I observed before was more like getting to know your neighbours and going to their places for dinners or sth. which is getting familiar with the environment.
11-13-2016, 05:35 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Myst

I don't see how concrete descriptions are subject to the Forer effect. If there are meaningless modifier words such as "can", "might" etc in the description then it's not a concrete description and is subject to Forer effect.

Your descriptions here are far from concrete for sure hence they can be interpreted in more than one way by people. That's a disadvantage, on the other hand I'm definitely curious about all your 27 descriptions. Which tritypes were these two about?

I'll PM you. Yeah, I realize the non-concreteness is not great, to say the least, but the thing is is that all these things are so general and it's hard to really be specific without bringing in more things (with all of those you can describe a person pretty fully, but with just one you can barely do anything). If you look at say, Subetigh's analysis in his blog, it's obviously not Forer-effect-y since there are quite a lot of certain responses, but he still doesn't narrow it all the way down. I'll tell you in a PM if you want.
11-13-2016, 06:03 PM
Myst

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Originally Posted by Mr inappropriate

I fixed the generally accepted wrong version of them:content:
Its obvious there are more introverts than extraverts, someone who can keep up social interaction normally is not necesseraly an extravert. Check verbrante for an extravert example, just spitting out random ideas and spending mental energy almost non stop, even if all of them are useless.

You seem to be mixing E with N.

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Extroversion basicly depends on the limits of your comfort zone in life without the back up of items your already familiar with (like friends, social circle, forum you have already been like 5 years, same restarurant, club, etc. ). Probably this was the reason why I thought E/I wasnt static and changable before. Now, I think its not that dynamic but still you can expand your zone (like building a home and then buying/building another house somewhere else) but its not that easy. What I observed before was more like getting to know your neighbours and going to their places for dinners or sth. which is getting familiar with the environment.

:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

I'll PM you. Yeah, I realize the non-concreteness is not great, to say the least, but the thing is is that all these things are so general and it's hard to really be specific without bringing in more things (with all of those you can describe a person pretty fully, but with just one you can barely do anything). If you look at say, Subetigh's analysis in his blog, it's obviously not Forer-effect-y since there are quite a lot of certain responses, but he still doesn't narrow it all the way down. I'll tell you in a PM if you want.

OK thanks :) I don't mind these descriptions btw.

What Subteigh analysis?
11-13-2016, 06:12 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Myst

You seem to be mixing E with N.

Extraversion now = 3D or 4D :Ne:, yay. Socionics extraversion means you naturally send energy outwards and feel energized from interacting with the world, while introversion is the opposite. That is all. You can even act highly socially extraverted or introverted and be the opposite in socionics. It's not so much what you do as how you do it, although at least he gets onto that a little, albeit not quite all the way there.

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Originally Posted by Myst

OK thanks :) I don't mind these descriptions btw.

What Subteigh analysis?

Yeah, they'll work in conjunction with other things even if they're sort of vague on their own, but my typology system has 46,656 discrete types so far (but I don't seen that increasing at least) so I'm not sure how exactly to list them all. The reason for having this many types is so I can explain what I see as the hidden reasons behind interactions between people, groups, countries, events, objects, etc. in concrete terms with a high degree of precision, not so everyone can have an all-but-unique type. (What I think these really represent also makes it even more interesting to me even disregarding the applications.)

Here's Subteigh's thing: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...elf-reflection
11-13-2016, 08:21 PM
Mr inappropriate

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Originally Posted by Myst

You seem to be mixing E with N.

No. Thats not N.
11-14-2016, 05:09 PM
Aylen

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

I meant "no thanks" to the riding the "white horse" :P We all have a decent idea what's going on inside other's heads actually, most of it is just subconscious, the same as our awareness of everything else. Your conscious awareness compared to subconscious, even of yourself, is like this:

...And even that one didn't have a small enough tip on the iceberg for me.

You missed the whole point. Nevermind. :indifferent:
11-14-2016, 07:15 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

I focus more on my own negative emotions and that causes a lot of depression and I focus a lot on everything in the world around me that's not ethical and that tends to frustrate me.

Careful, you're starting to sound like a negativist emotivist ethical extravert...

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11-14-2016, 07:17 PM
Beautiful sky

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

Careful, you're starting to sound like a negativist emotivist ethical extravert...

Be careful how you interpret information :) you should meet me in person
11-14-2016, 07:27 PM
Beautiful sky

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

Careful, you're starting to sound like a negativist emotivist ethical extravert...

Attachment 9007

(You forget "that's not ethical") reread pleasr
11-14-2016, 07:49 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Be careful how you interpret information :) you should meet me in person

Oh, I didn't type you as that, just said that you described yourself as one...
11-14-2016, 11:30 PM
Beautiful sky

EIE seem irritable on the outside and I look calm and peaceful. Here's the irritability of EIE. Obverse the attitude id "since when did you do this?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7gD-Tqt98
11-17-2016, 02:06 PM
Encrustacean

Oh mah goddddd negativist emotivist ethical extrovert doesn't even add up to EIE it's IEE you noobs
11-17-2016, 06:43 PM
Exodus

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Originally Posted by Spider

Oh mah goddddd negativist emotivist ethical extrovert doesn't even add up to EIE it's IEE you noobs

:lol:

the emotivist dichotomy is sort of crap though...
11-17-2016, 06:48 PM
Pallas

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Originally Posted by Aylen

You missed the whole point. Nevermind. :indifferent:

No, I just didn't agree with the point and didn't argue very well. I'm sorry.
11-17-2016, 07:48 PM
Aylen

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Originally Posted by Verbrannte

No, I just didn't agree with the point and didn't argue very well. I'm sorry.

"It's symbolic of course"? Go on post your disagreement with it. You can do this.

*hint: nothing to do with riding white horses.

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