Cara Delevingne

I think, could you really see her with an SLE as a dual? I think she would bump heads with one, because she is their mirror. She seems like the introverted version of an SLE, thus making her rational, Se creative.

"If you really want it, if your willing to work that hard, its all about determination, you have to be able to achieve it and you have to be able to work hard for it" Creative Se.

"even if you want to walk around naked, I'm one of those nudist people". Beta, lol, just jokes.

"I speak just to not feel shy. Its really important even if they want you to be you yourself, and behave naturally". Fe suggestive.

"I'm not one of those people that goes on other peoples opinions about what I should wear, if I feel good in it I will just wing in and go on my gut instinct". LSI

And just anecdotally, the "eye popping out" emphasis while speaking thing I've noticed many times with beta STs. Cara does it all the time.

I think a tricky thing here is that sometimes the suggestive function is mistaken for 1st or 2nd functions, especially suggestive Fe. The same phenomenon can be seen with LIIs. There is a vast difference between an expressive person and a person who is an Fe ego. An Fe ego is adept at being someone who will act as your "emotional interpreter" in your relations with other people. Both Beta STs and to an equal degree the Alpha NTs require this to dualize.

watching some more interviews has me considering Se-LSI, but I can't fully buy IJ temperament. she has a certain implicit polish, but something about the petite refinement is still suggestive of Je-IP to me.


this could be considered an Se+unfocused Fe act:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkYvHHG9HM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si34YrYpsUg

she does have a casual jubilance that would be a bit odd for an Fe-ego, but I just don't see it being entirely out of the question.


http://s5.favim.com/orig/54/blonde-c...com-518668.jpg

What about SEE?

In still photos she looks really IEI.

I briefly considered SEE initially, but I think she's a bit too emotively responsive and expressive for an Fi-valuer. agreed about the pics

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Originally Posted by strrrng

I briefly considered SEE initially, but I think she's a bit too emotively responsive and expressive for an Fi-valuer. agreed about the pics

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How can you even consider IEI, sweetie? She's way more present and physically aware than any IEI I have ever seen... Fe sub or not. Take a look in the mirror. :p I think the "Fe-valuing" you spot is E3 - E4 persona-related. You made the same mistake with Rihanna (SEE E3w4 sx, imo). Most E3s seem like Fe-egos... even this LSE E3w2 so/sx I know seems like a Fe-ego... And then there is Gilly, of course (ILE). Cara is gamma SF, imo. ESI possible, but I think she's SEE.

Damn you good.

I still disagree. On what basis are you figuring creative Fi?

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How can you even consider IEI, sweetie? She's way more present and physically aware than any IEI I have ever seen... Fe sub or not. Take a look in the mirror. :p I think the "Fe-valuing" you spot is E3 - E4 persona-related. You made the same mistake with Rihanna (SEE E3w4 sx, imo). Most E3s seem like Fe-egos... even this LSE E3w2 so/sx I know seems like a Fe-ego... And then there is Gilly, of course (ILE). Cara is gamma SF, imo. ESI possible, but I think she's SEE.

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is she also Se base perhaps.

http://kewlwallpapers.com/images/192...Forlani-12.JPG

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Damn you good.

I still disagree. On what basis are you figuring creative Fi?

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don't be goofy

lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfyX-_al_TM

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Originally Posted by Ananke

How can you even consider IEI, sweetie? She's way more present and physically aware than any IEI I have ever seen... Fe sub or not. Take a look in the mirror. :p I think the "Fe-valuing" you spot is E3 - E4 persona-related. You made the same mistake with Rihanna (SEE E3w4 sx, imo). Most E3s seem like Fe-egos... even this LSE E3w2 so/sx I know seems like a Fe-ego... And then there is Gilly, of course (ILE). Cara is gamma SF, imo. ESI possible, but I think she's SEE.

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Yeah, she is a bit present for an IEI, I just don't see it being out of the question for an Fe-sub, especially if she's a 3, which is pretty clear. But like I said, I'm reconsidering Se-LSI. And where are you getting Fi from?

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Damn you good.

I still disagree. On what basis are you figuring creative Fi?

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Yeah, she is a bit present for an IEI, I just don't see it being out of the question for an Fe-sub, especially if she's a 3, which is pretty clear. But like I said, I'm reconsidering Se-LSI. And where are you getting Fi from?

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Honestly, from the "dirty" vibe : http://bit.ly/1oC6XmJ

I don't necessarily see a 'dirty vibe' being out of the question for a beta ST female, despite their often having a kind of stoic refinement, but whatever.

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I don't necessarily see a 'dirty vibe' being out of the question for a beta ST female, despite their often having a kind of stoic refinement, but whatever.

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Well, she even LOOKs like Robbie Williams, and has the same feel of not having showered for four weeks. Beta ST women might not shower, but they don't look that way (gamma SFs sometimes do). Meh. Well, fine, I don't know, but I really don't think she is IEI. I still think Gamma > Beta. Call it a hunch.

SLE's women can have "dirty" vibe too :)

I vote SEE for Cara.

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I don't necessarily see a 'dirty vibe' being out of the question for a beta ST female, despite their often having a kind of stoic refinement, but whatever.

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usually SLE has a more "dirty" or vulgar vibe than SEE. (I totally dislike Robbie Williams though regardless of type).

the forwardness and latent aggression in the first pic suedehead posted was what spawned the fleeting SEE impression, but overall I think her interactive style suggests Fe-valuing... there's a certain emotional presence they have that can't simply be attributed to 3dom, and I think this quality, of there being a kind of collective 'spread' before the person that is being constantly scanned/gauged, is showcased well in the pic I posted (it's mainly in the eyes).

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usually SLE has a more "dirty" or vulgar vibe than SEE. (I totally dislike Robbie Williams though regardless of type).

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I think "vulgar" vibe in that case is in the eye of the beholder...

Anyway, I wasn't talking dirty as in "vulgar", I talked dirty as in "not clean". Typical gamma SFs like Bob Dylan, Robbie Williams, and a lot of other gamma SFs really do look as if they didn't shower for very long. It's just a vibe, probably not reality. I can't think of many typical Beta STs who look that scruffy.

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Originally Posted by divergentwacey

Cara seems like a rational ego, with an IJ temperament. I think "trying to cheer people up", maybe make them smile, is pretty much exactly what an Fe suggestive person might attempt to do with others, as the super-id is our unconscious needs projected outwards on the outside world: "Do as I do", "Be as I am".

Whenever you hear someone say, "I just want others to…..smile, be happy, concentrate, relax, think, push….ect" (for each sociotype) Then you can bet this is a shot from their suggestive function. Often times people behave like how they want others to behave.

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This is a good distinction. I usually have no desire for others to feel anything other than what they want to feel. When I am bouncing around energetically I do it to raise some energy inside and around me and it is not necessarily that I want people to feel what I feel. I am more likely to walk away from someone I don't know well if they are being moody or whatever than try to cheer them up. If someone I love is upset though I do want to raise their spirits but it takes special care to not make them feel dismissed and I would likely be relieved if they told me they just needed some time alone. I most likely will not let someone I don't know well interfere with my dance or whatever. I can block certain people out when I want to. They can be grouchy all by themselves.

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I was convinced by Narc's arguments that she's LSI, ofc

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;)

I think I'm coming around to SEE. All the clues are there for LSI, it's just LSI do seem to be slightly, just slightly, just a tiny, tiny bit "prudish/ stuck up", (although they might say "refined") in public. No offence. Se ego/ creative for sure, SEE, or LSI.

Refinement?

she only seem refine when her mouth is shut and she's looking dead ahead. otherwise she's an aggressive goofball. all of her responses on vid are Ti... where you people getting Fi from? ..she definitely values Fe.

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Refinement?

she only seem refine when her mouth is shut and she's looking dead ahead. otherwise she's an aggressive goofball. all of her responses on vid are Ti... where you people getting Fi from? ..she definitely values Fe.

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she's Ti/Fe and hotter than you

EIE, she's a extrovert for sure, but don't think she's sensing or irrational

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EIE, she's a extrovert for sure, but don't think she's sensing or irrational

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I'd agree with Extroverted Ethical even if it's only based on a fleeting similarity between her manerisms and those of my ex-wive.

I could see sensing as well, but wouldn't rule out Hkkmr's EIE diagnosis.

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she's Ti/Fe and hotter than you

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Yes dear. I just said she was Ti/Fe.

and no shit, hence why she is a model. Your comments are never bright :(

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Yes dear. I just said she was Ti/Fe.

and no shit, hence why she is a model. Your comments are never bright :(

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i was just teasing you, it was not an insult

She's ENFp

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EIE, she's a extrovert for sure, but don't think she's sensing or irrational

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yep- just to add cherry on top she now has an LSI-Se gfriend michelle rodriguez. talk about hot duality ha! :)

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EIE, she's a extrovert for sure, but don't think she's sensing or irrational

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I'm curious, from what do you determine she's rational? Cause she seems irrational to me, and I would like to understand your line of reasoning.

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I'm curious, from what do you determine she's rational? Cause she seems irrational to me, and I would like to understand your line of reasoning.

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Well I am more clear she is extroverted than rational, her verbalization orients away from subjective content. And if you've ever listened to this girl talk her verbalization is hot fire, she's a very passionate person and never unemotional.
This pegs her for a :Fe: base type which is rational, :Fe: base types can seem unpredictable but it's only if you're unaware of their emotional state or if they're hiding it. It's more clear to me she's a passionate type and I think she's :Fe: base.

An alternative type is perhaps SEE, but I don't think so.

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yep- just to add cherry on top she now has an LSI-Se gfriend michelle rodriguez. talk about hot duality ha! :)

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They broke up a while ago, Zac Efron is with Michelle Rod, and I never thought Cara/MRod was a exclusive thing at least not for MRod. I type Zac ILE and MRod SLE, this is a much more stable friendship with benefits relationship where exclusivity is not a requirement. Activity relationships are very prone to overheating although I think she and Cara might reconcile one day. Zac and MRod's relationship is multi-year BFF with benefit and not very surprising at all.

cara and kendall jenner (LSI?) might be beta duals or mirrors

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cara and kendall jenner (LSI?) might be beta duals or mirrors

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Are you sure? Are you really sure? Is 6x6 36? zomg!

Oh how I love to laugh

She is pretty emotional for an LSI-Se, but LSI-Se works. Some of them don't seem cold-blooded at all, although the Ti subtype is a bit more emotional, but she would be the Se subtype because she can read people so well, she seems better at dealing with what's there, and she looks more natural at expressing herself.

She mentioned she had dyspraxia and ADHD (not sure if just hyper-active subtype or combined), and I'm a logical type in socionics with severe coordination problems, focus on my emotions and passions to get me through life, had histrionic tendencies, extreme sensory emotional bodily reactions to beauty and ugliness, and who was diagnosed with ADHD-C (meaning I was hyper and not attentive unless it was something that brought me pleasure or to prevent something i knew would piss me off) when I was a kid; with those factors in place, you can still have an LSI even an Se subtype. I realized I'm not very practical; when I was a kid and still now, I wanted what brought me pleasure rather than what was most realistic or logical and I wasn't sure if I lead from the heart or head, but I would say my anxiety and anger and need for emotional connection with beautiful people and being uncomfortable with people who aren't beautiful would mean I really make my life based on emotions as much as logic (I'm still Ti/Fe valuing and thinking work doesn't have to be Te pragmatic, efficient, and effective but more for Fe camaraderie and social system, and should bring pleasure with fulfilling some abstract ideology just as much as going with what's realistic what popular or unpopular "experts" think can be done, and that the money earned from work should be used for pleasure). Even some ILE-Ti (Kimberly Kane is a good example) mention what they do in their job is for sensory emotional pleasure. If I really wanted to, I could organize a website, I just don't feel like it.

There are also many SLE-Ti women (and they're kind of similar to LSI-Se) who are extremely emotional and are really more social than quantitative, their social skills are approximately as good as their quantitative skills.

But when I'm worried about severe structural change that I think would be bad, Ij temperament, Ni-HA, ST-ness, and positivism (not wanting to lose what's already there, thinking it's ridiculous for someone to end it, makes me angry), Se pressure to try to prevent it from being changed, LSI-Ti becomes pretty apparent. Usually, unless there is a severe problem, I'm able to just play around. People have told me that don't know if I'm serious or joking, and I've been called silly and goofy and playful many times, to the point people got annoyed by my playfulness. So I'm playful and aggressive. Most people (especially other Beta STs and especially people other than Delta NFs and EIE-Ni) often would think I'm an ethical type, and especially that I was not LSI.

I would still rather make a bold beautiful original statement or action that got reactions from huge numbers of people, charged the emotional atmosphere, and brought me pleasure than say or do something that gets me career success. So Ti/Fe valuing.

Gamma SF