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An EP temperament...
I was thinking Fe-INFp.
3w4 for sure, but these kind of expressions are atypical for Fe-IEIs ... may be one of the Ti-creative types
long overdue update: ESE-Fe 3w4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6yZnT599HM
I think I might've considered Ne-ILE also at one point. I don't know. It's probably her petite size and face shape that's making me think IP-temperament for whatever reason.
IEI-Fe
It doesn't make sense that she's anything but IEI-Fe, although she seems extremely hyper for an introvert :confused2:
She's also beyond awesome, so I want her to be one.
probably IEI-Fe
she's on camera, ... should she just stand there?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
If there's anyone I'm extremely sure is IEI-Fe (Fe 2 or 3), she's there. That she also looks breath-taking is another issue ..Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
how is it an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
Skip to 0:43. I wonder if you can tell anything from that.
http://youtu.be/w0d0XsvX5XU?t=43s
Se-ESI? Se-LSI?
her body language is a little too angular (for lack of a better word), a little too jerky and frantic for IEI.
it can tempt ppl to type her whatever else if their IEI image is that of an emo kid who needs to be saved or smth. I mean, she's way too confident, so Se.Quote:
Originally Posted by mercutio
IEI' s are not emo kids who need to be saved at all. Far from it - we're quite confident and agressive. I think we also have this quirky mannerisms that she has, It's not in how she behaves - that's totally IEI, it's just that she's kinda jerkier or smthng. But whatever, I also think she's IEI-Fe.
What does Fe 2 or 3 mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
You tell 'em! Creative Fe gives whatever impression it wants to give, so if that's aggressive then so be it. Yesterday, I almost convinced myself I was LIE-Ni :o I probably fit the Meged descriptions for that type better, actually ... but there's no way I'm gamma!Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Enneagram?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
So now every type is IEI because this forum is overrun by Betas. Fun.
I think it means how strong your preference for Fe is (compared to Ni). I get IEI-1Fe on tests, but I never questioned what this number means :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
Probably a weird question: Is there any chance she's Ne-IEE?
Se creative. LSI >>> ESI
I really doubt she's IJ.
I take my typing back.
The Inspector:
http://assets.instyle.co.uk/instyle/...?itok=GD1wA1GG
http://www.pagesdigital.com/wp-conte...e-17384083.jpg
http://skeletonscribble.files.wordpr...goofy-face.jpg
http://ftape.com/media/wp-content/up...agazine_04.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0aavOU4ED-...jzih.sized.jpg
That is one expressive face.
LSI- Se
Total hunch, science for the win!
I've thought IxxJ since I saw her pics ..pretty much EVERYWHERE. from the interviews, i absolutely buy LSI.
her face is so cool looking and her pics are pretty, however, damn if she's not the skinniest friggin person in videos. she looks extremely fragile.
Instead of reading The Gay Science or Theory of Narrative, I looked for a few quotes (she's really simple, but hey):
"The energy you give off is the energy you receive. I really think that, so I'm always myself - jumping, dancing, singing around, trying to cheer everybody up."
(ok, she's also Sx/sp most likely)
"I've always wanted to do a shoot with snakes - big snakes, like pythons."
(Fe dual-seeking)
"I treat the camera like a person - I gaze into it. Photos are a flat thing, and you need to put life into them."
(NFs think the other way round usually)
"My way of relaxing was always doing the opposite and playing the drums, but I need to be able to actually chill."
(IJ temperament)
"Of course, I loved the Spice Girls. I loved Geri and Baby, but who liked Posh Spice? They said I looked like her, and I said: 'That's not cool, that's really mean.'"
(Ne polr, Fe inferior who should be instructed about Socionics)
i dont understand how you got these ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
How is wanting to have a photoshoot with a snake Fe- Dual seeking or not wanting to be compared to Posh Spice Ne polr?................. lol...................
Notice that Beta STs are goofballs, especially the undualized ones?
I was convinced by Narc's arguments that she's LSI, ofc
Wat?Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
Also I think Se creative also.
maybe your Ne polr prevents you from seeing it, man. wtf are you Quadra-trespassing btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ainfigur
rosewood is being a smartass, although the pics of Cara Delevigne making different faces is ironically more indicative of Fe Super-Id (exaggerated, obnoxious, veering on self-parody) than Fe Ego (controlled, directed, refined).
Beta is the place to be, you can't stop me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
I'm gonna think about that. She deff doesn't have the facial "control" and refinement of someone like Charlize Theron, but why wouldn't Fe creative be good at "making faces" to cheer people up and to come across as funny and more "humanized" in pics? She doesn't have any IJ stiffness. Ip facial features (softish, smallish, roundish, not angular, hardly any tension in movement...).
Hah I do the same and I kind of like snakes after they have been fed. My ex roommate had a python and several other snakes. As long as they weren't hungry I felt safe and would hold them. Lilith energy. hahaQuote:
"The energy you give off is the energy you receive. I really think that, so I'm always myself - jumping, dancing, singing around, trying to cheer everybody up."
"I've always wanted to do a shoot with snakes - big snakes, like pythons."
I dance and sing a lot but not constantly... when I get up I want to move. I try to cheer up my friends and family without making light of their situation. In a room full of strangers I am more reserved, until I feel them out and see what is appropriate. I believe the energy you put out is the energy you get back, multiplied. I think anyone can be like this though.
From my recent blog:
I haven't even considered her type but she is the type of person who could motivate me to be silly...or do something. I definitely need some kind of motivating source. When I am alone, especially if it is quiet, I am not very animated because I read a lot. Music also gets me moving. I think I would be too self conscious to ever let someone take a pic of me making those faces though.Quote:
If you look up the word "lethargic" in the dictionary you might just see a pic of me next to it. I can sit on the couch for hours straight and barely move. BUT when I stand up to do something I automatically start dancing or kinda skipping/hopping around. It is my own special little movement I use to energize myself. I am told it is adorable. Yay me! It's not really meant to be. :P
:p
My mother is LSI and I have never seen her behave in any way like Cara. She is always well polished and gives an air of having it all together. She really makes an impact when she walks into a room and she is often told she is beautiful by strangers. Has never worn make up or needed it. I am kind of in awe of this. I see it too but because of our dynamics I don't want to give her the credit she deserves sometimes. My mom is a pretty awesome woman when I look past her less desirable traits. ugh. I guess activator is a good term for her. I can see Cara inspiring me but is that the same as activating. I dunno. Woo hoo this thread helped me in an unexpected way!
Regarding "IJ" stiffness, and "IP" fluidity, I think this is a misconception propagated by some socionic articles. The IJ's and IP's are about metabolizing energy and expressing energy throughtout the day and rationality and irrationality of information elements. Not so much specific body movements.
Cara seems like a rational ego, with an IJ temperament. I think "trying to cheer people up", maybe make them smile, is pretty much exactly what an Fe suggestive person might attempt to do with others, as the super-id is our unconscious needs projected outwards on the outside world: "Do as I do", "Be as I am".
Whenever you hear someone say, "I just want others to…..smile, be happy, concentrate, relax, think, push….ect" (for each sociotype) Then you can bet this is a shot from their suggestive function. Often times people behave like how they want others to behave.
At the very least we could all say she "values" Se.
I use quotes cause I mean socionic values and not the traditional use of that word.
Definitely not IEI. Possibly ESI… but she is a little obnoxious for the average ESI. I have my doubts about LSI.
I think, could you really see her with an SLE as a dual? I think she would bump heads with one, because she is their mirror. She seems like the introverted version of an SLE, thus making her rational, Se creative.
"If you really want it, if your willing to work that hard, its all about determination, you have to be able to achieve it and you have to be able to work hard for it" Creative Se.
"even if you want to walk around naked, I'm one of those nudist people". Beta, lol, just jokes.
"I speak just to not feel shy. Its really important even if they want you to be you yourself, and behave naturally". Fe suggestive.
"I'm not one of those people that goes on other peoples opinions about what I should wear, if I feel good in it I will just wing in and go on my gut instinct". LSI
And just anecdotally, the "eye popping out" emphasis while speaking thing I've noticed many times with beta STs. Cara does it all the time.
I think a tricky thing here is that sometimes the suggestive function is mistaken for 1st or 2nd functions, especially suggestive Fe. The same phenomenon can be seen with LIIs. There is a vast difference between an expressive person and a person who is an Fe ego. An Fe ego is adept at being someone who will act as your "emotional interpreter" in your relations with other people. Both Beta STs and to an equal degree the Alpha NTs require this to dualize.
watching some more interviews has me considering Se-LSI, but I can't fully buy IJ temperament. she has a certain implicit polish, but something about the petite refinement is still suggestive of Je-IP to me.
this could be considered an Se+unfocused Fe act:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkYvHHG9HM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si34YrYpsUg
she does have a casual jubilance that would be a bit odd for an Fe-ego, but I just don't see it being entirely out of the question.
http://s5.favim.com/orig/54/blonde-c...com-518668.jpg
What about SEE?
In still photos she looks really IEI.
I briefly considered SEE initially, but I think she's a bit too emotively responsive and expressive for an Fi-valuer. agreed about the pics
How can you even consider IEI, sweetie? She's way more present and physically aware than any IEI I have ever seen... Fe sub or not. Take a look in the mirror. :p I think the "Fe-valuing" you spot is E3 - E4 persona-related. You made the same mistake with Rihanna (SEE E3w4 sx, imo). Most E3s seem like Fe-egos... even this LSE E3w2 so/sx I know seems like a Fe-ego... And then there is Gilly, of course (ILE). Cara is gamma SF, imo. ESI possible, but I think she's SEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
Damn you good.
I still disagree. On what basis are you figuring creative Fi?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ananke
is she also Se base perhaps.
http://kewlwallpapers.com/images/192...Forlani-12.JPG
don't be goofyQuote:
Originally Posted by divergentwacey
Yeah, she is a bit present for an IEI, I just don't see it being out of the question for an Fe-sub, especially if she's a 3, which is pretty clear. But like I said, I'm reconsidering Se-LSI. And where are you getting Fi from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ananke
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Originally Posted by divergentwacey
Honestly, from the "dirty" vibe : http://bit.ly/1oC6XmJQuote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
I don't necessarily see a 'dirty vibe' being out of the question for a beta ST female, despite their often having a kind of stoic refinement, but whatever.
Well, she even LOOKs like Robbie Williams, and has the same feel of not having showered for four weeks. Beta ST women might not shower, but they don't look that way (gamma SFs sometimes do). Meh. Well, fine, I don't know, but I really don't think she is IEI. I still think Gamma > Beta. Call it a hunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
SLE's women can have "dirty" vibe too :)
I vote SEE for Cara.
usually SLE has a more "dirty" or vulgar vibe than SEE. (I totally dislike Robbie Williams though regardless of type).Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
the forwardness and latent aggression in the first pic suedehead posted was what spawned the fleeting SEE impression, but overall I think her interactive style suggests Fe-valuing... there's a certain emotional presence they have that can't simply be attributed to 3dom, and I think this quality, of there being a kind of collective 'spread' before the person that is being constantly scanned/gauged, is showcased well in the pic I posted (it's mainly in the eyes).
I think "vulgar" vibe in that case is in the eye of the beholder...Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
Anyway, I wasn't talking dirty as in "vulgar", I talked dirty as in "not clean". Typical gamma SFs like Bob Dylan, Robbie Williams, and a lot of other gamma SFs really do look as if they didn't shower for very long. It's just a vibe, probably not reality. I can't think of many typical Beta STs who look that scruffy.
This is a good distinction. I usually have no desire for others to feel anything other than what they want to feel. When I am bouncing around energetically I do it to raise some energy inside and around me and it is not necessarily that I want people to feel what I feel. I am more likely to walk away from someone I don't know well if they are being moody or whatever than try to cheer them up. If someone I love is upset though I do want to raise their spirits but it takes special care to not make them feel dismissed and I would likely be relieved if they told me they just needed some time alone. I most likely will not let someone I don't know well interfere with my dance or whatever. I can block certain people out when I want to. They can be grouchy all by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by divergentwacey
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rosewood
I think I'm coming around to SEE. All the clues are there for LSI, it's just LSI do seem to be slightly, just slightly, just a tiny, tiny bit "prudish/ stuck up", (although they might say "refined") in public. No offence. Se ego/ creative for sure, SEE, or LSI.
Refinement?
she only seem refine when her mouth is shut and she's looking dead ahead. otherwise she's an aggressive goofball. all of her responses on vid are Ti... where you people getting Fi from? ..she definitely values Fe.
she's Ti/Fe and hotter than youQuote:
Originally Posted by blackburry
EIE, she's a extrovert for sure, but don't think she's sensing or irrational
I'd agree with Extroverted Ethical even if it's only based on a fleeting similarity between her manerisms and those of my ex-wive.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
I could see sensing as well, but wouldn't rule out Hkkmr's EIE diagnosis.
Yes dear. I just said she was Ti/Fe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solaris
and no shit, hence why she is a model. Your comments are never bright :(
i was just teasing you, it was not an insultQuote:
Originally Posted by blackburry
She's ENFp
yep- just to add cherry on top she now has an LSI-Se gfriend michelle rodriguez. talk about hot duality ha! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by point
I'm curious, from what do you determine she's rational? Cause she seems irrational to me, and I would like to understand your line of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by point
Well I am more clear she is extroverted than rational, her verbalization orients away from subjective content. And if you've ever listened to this girl talk her verbalization is hot fire, she's a very passionate person and never unemotional.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
This pegs her for a :Fe: base type which is rational, :Fe: base types can seem unpredictable but it's only if you're unaware of their emotional state or if they're hiding it. It's more clear to me she's a passionate type and I think she's :Fe: base.
An alternative type is perhaps SEE, but I don't think so.
They broke up a while ago, Zac Efron is with Michelle Rod, and I never thought Cara/MRod was a exclusive thing at least not for MRod. I type Zac ILE and MRod SLE, this is a much more stable friendship with benefits relationship where exclusivity is not a requirement. Activity relationships are very prone to overheating although I think she and Cara might reconcile one day. Zac and MRod's relationship is multi-year BFF with benefit and not very surprising at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by miss BabyDoll
cara and kendall jenner (LSI?) might be beta duals or mirrors
Are you sure? Are you really sure? Is 6x6 36? zomg!Quote:
Originally Posted by sev
Oh how I love to laugh
She is pretty emotional for an LSI-Se, but LSI-Se works. Some of them don't seem cold-blooded at all, although the Ti subtype is a bit more emotional, but she would be the Se subtype because she can read people so well, she seems better at dealing with what's there, and she looks more natural at expressing herself.
She mentioned she had dyspraxia and ADHD (not sure if just hyper-active subtype or combined), and I'm a logical type in socionics with severe coordination problems, focus on my emotions and passions to get me through life, had histrionic tendencies, extreme sensory emotional bodily reactions to beauty and ugliness, and who was diagnosed with ADHD-C (meaning I was hyper and not attentive unless it was something that brought me pleasure or to prevent something i knew would piss me off) when I was a kid; with those factors in place, you can still have an LSI even an Se subtype. I realized I'm not very practical; when I was a kid and still now, I wanted what brought me pleasure rather than what was most realistic or logical and I wasn't sure if I lead from the heart or head, but I would say my anxiety and anger and need for emotional connection with beautiful people and being uncomfortable with people who aren't beautiful would mean I really make my life based on emotions as much as logic (I'm still Ti/Fe valuing and thinking work doesn't have to be Te pragmatic, efficient, and effective but more for Fe camaraderie and social system, and should bring pleasure with fulfilling some abstract ideology just as much as going with what's realistic what popular or unpopular "experts" think can be done, and that the money earned from work should be used for pleasure). Even some ILE-Ti (Kimberly Kane is a good example) mention what they do in their job is for sensory emotional pleasure. If I really wanted to, I could organize a website, I just don't feel like it.
There are also many SLE-Ti women (and they're kind of similar to LSI-Se) who are extremely emotional and are really more social than quantitative, their social skills are approximately as good as their quantitative skills.
But when I'm worried about severe structural change that I think would be bad, Ij temperament, Ni-HA, ST-ness, and positivism (not wanting to lose what's already there, thinking it's ridiculous for someone to end it, makes me angry), Se pressure to try to prevent it from being changed, LSI-Ti becomes pretty apparent. Usually, unless there is a severe problem, I'm able to just play around. People have told me that don't know if I'm serious or joking, and I've been called silly and goofy and playful many times, to the point people got annoyed by my playfulness. So I'm playful and aggressive. Most people (especially other Beta STs and especially people other than Delta NFs and EIE-Ni) often would think I'm an ethical type, and especially that I was not LSI.
I would still rather make a bold beautiful original statement or action that got reactions from huge numbers of people, charged the emotional atmosphere, and brought me pleasure than say or do something that gets me career success. So Ti/Fe valuing.
Gamma SF