she's made a lot of videos on socionics - does anyone know her from this site? any guesses as to her type from the videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhQ2Ir1D4h4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6uwfKtnjw
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she's made a lot of videos on socionics - does anyone know her from this site? any guesses as to her type from the videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhQ2Ir1D4h4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6uwfKtnjw
ESE?!
Based on the content of her videos, she is implying she is IEI...
She says she IEI, but her Fe is of the Mobilizing kind. Therefore ILE. I mean, she writes:
"Strongly emotional and they express their emotions easily. Are coquettish, enticing, and dress with taste. The aesthetes in relations, they value good manners. Know how to provoke their partner's initiative. Usually remain diplomatic but sometimes become capricious, exacting and easily agitated, however they are easily appeased. Love sexual games and prolonged preparations."
But this is what we see in real life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvgwWDXgAQo
Dress with taste? .... :doh:
hi there ca! what about the other girl here? i know someone who looks like herQuote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmZshLQSRQE
Her mannerism is a bit masculine to me. The way she sits with her legs spread apart in particular. Her laugh too, something about it seemed like she was holding back her laugh or at the very least tone it down or soften it.
her outfit makes me want to wear baggy pants forever. cuz her ass is munching on those tights. (and mine probably does too without me realizing it).
for her type: EXXX seems likely.
I am trying to watch the rest of the video but I find myself wanting to yell, "more ale, wench!" :shifty:
gonna have to listen without the visual...
I cut the video where she wears that elegant outfit after just 30 seconds...
Her style is ... incredible :hide:
Such elegance.
Why am I watching downton abbey :/
It's difficult to tell, because she's wearing glasses. I think along the lines of Alpha irrational, most likely SEI. A very excited one, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumactionsquicklinks
ETA: some of the mannerisms are actually very ILE, but there is a authenticity in the emotional expression that makes me think she can not be ILE.
Guys, you know she probably reads the forum. No need to say hurtful shit.
In that case I'm willing to confess I wouldn't mind having breakfast with her some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scapegrace
Is this really how IEI 4w3 looks like?! I'm not trying to be offensive, just don't get the vibe...seems waay agressive to me. I would type her ILE.
Well I hope she doesn't think I consider her a wench then. My automatic association is with a certain way of accentuating the breasts that make me think of peasant girls or pirate chicks. It was nothing against her specifically. I don't care what people wear unless we are bonded by love and/or friendship, then we have this unspoken agreement to be honest with each other about certain things. I have pics of some of my questionable "elegant" wardrobe choices that would rival a hooker or a vampire.That is not directed to her since she did NOT conjure up images of hookers or vampires in me.
Maybe it is my masculine side that notices how breasts are presented.:shrug: Now I feel a little bad since I do not want to hurt feelings. :(
My own conclusion after watching the video is that I did not feel IEI energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Hey, my comment was about pants. her pants. and all pants.
Although Idk, she probably knows what she is if she's making videos on IEI's :) i just really don't see any aristocracy (4w3) in her. I've watched some other videos and she could eat me for breakfast :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Heh maybe she has self-dualized. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
watching her videos i had a hard time believing her self-typing and wanted to see if anyone here knows her or has talked to her to give their feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInDreams
what made you conclude that she has mobilizing Fe? the slip-ups in dressing style could be Si or Se polr of rational intuitive types.Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult
How about EII? She could be an Fi user
Most of you don't even know for a little bit what an IEI looks like.
I'm embarassed...
Is this possible? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
NOQuote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
The OP:
She's a sensory type.
It's super shameful to not be able to stereotype someone based on their appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
My sister is an EII and she's only scary when she's absolutely pushed to it. She doesn't know the meaning of the word assertion the rest of the time. I think that's the difference between :Se:-PoLR and :Se: creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
I wouldn't rule it out considering the human body and brain are pretty remarkable. You can learn to do many things when you are determined enough... so I say, yes, it is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
Oh, yes. Determination is everything. The :Ni: vision is more than enough to motivate me most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Its not like an IEI needs to use :Se: to the same extent (or the same way) as an SLE. We just need enough to get by. Both types have willpower enough, just completely different approaches to utilising it. An IEI does not need :Se: turned on all the time to achieve long term goals. An SLE would be impossibly sidetracked if they engaged their :Ni: for more time than they needed it.
Honestly I have only imagined how being self-dualized would manifest in me and haven't really considered how it might manifest in others. I really don't have a desire to experience the world much different than I already do.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
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RE: Videos
I finally watched the EII - IEI video above and she said some things that I can relate to but then other things seemed to be reversed from the descriptions I read online. Her ability to present so much information on the fly was impressive even though I don't know enough about socionics to say if it was technically correct. She seemed confident and could monologue pretty well without the need for someone to ask her questions. I am not as confident in my ability to present so much information in a verbal form without going off on unrelated emotionally fueled tangents.
There is one thing I may have totally misunderstood. Did anyone else hear her say Adolf ****** was an IEI?
I am overtired so I may have heard her wrong.
I must have missed it. At what point in the video does she say this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
PS - We ought to watch out or this thread is going to go way, way off topic!
(Does this site sensor his name or something?)
I did not finish the video but Adolf is commonly considered as INFJ in MBTI.
@kadda1212 would you mind to enlighten us and make us know what does an IEI look like please?
I feel guilty for having embarassed you.
I really do not get the IEI vibe from her, at least visually :oops:
But we probably shouldn't rely on VI this time..
No she couldn't. I mean, she probably checked the forementioned video before she posted it on YouTube, and apparently she didn't conclude everything about it was faux pas. Therefore Fi PoLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
Just wanted to say, that I'm not doubting her IEI status based on her appearance whatsoever, only her agressive, assertive energy.
"Female IEI is the embodiment of the conventional ideas of femininity. Yet, she still seem so sensitive, brittle, and defenseless to the point that it would make any man want to instantly protect her."
I mean, this is obviously exaggerated, but I think there is something to it...or not:shrug: ?
Yes, you shouldn't rely on VI. I know, she's IEI, because I've spoken to her several times. I can relate to many of the things she says, also in her videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInDreams
She draws a really good picture of what an IEI is like in her videos. So, you should watch those if you want to get enlightened. ;)
she's dumb and embarrassing, whatever type she is. NTR.
@Kadda No, wait, isn't VI the only reliable and most important thing to rely on especially when you have no idea who the person is?
I thought making comments on the boobs and butt of someone was the most intelligent way to type! What did I get wrong?
These people exhude knowledge, I'm really curious how far they go
PS. I'm also highly impressed by the defenselessness and brittleness in the comments of Aylin and Darya.
I agree, let's keep boobs and butts out of comments :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
Cool, any question you feel like asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Brittleness? I'm just trying to explain my comments in case they seemed offensive, cause they weren't meant that way. If you're going to put yourself on the internet, you can expect some negative feedback. She seems like a self-confident girl, so I don't think she cares that much. But I agree some comments were.mean and unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
Edited: I'm sorry I'm referring to you in third person:)
I like your explanation of Ni and Ni/Ne comparisons btw :content:
LOL! Again, any question you want to ask me?
How typing actually works from an Fi-ego's point of view who thinks he/she is IEI: "I like this person, so he/she must also be IEI." or "I don't like this person, so there's no way he/she could be IEI."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
This simple logic (or rather ethic) is then expressed by empty expressions like "I don't get an IEI vibe from her", "She doesn't have the IEI aura", "She doesn't wear the proper clothes to be an IEI", "Her nose has not the right shape of an IEIs nose." or whatever.
And the fact that people care so much or seem offended by your cleavage shows we're accompanied by a lot of Fi users. That's my opinion.
eheh! I love you to death, and you know it, but the comments in this topic from my pov are not enough to define if these people are one type or the other. Ti lead, just to name one, can also sound extremely judgemental.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
In all honesty the only thought that crossed my mind, and we will discuss about it if you're interested, is the j/p split in socionics.
It's alright. xD I just wanted to make a joke, you know. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
LOL! Yes, I know what my jokes and your jokes look like XDQuote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
Thanks, I wouldn't get to defensive though, I only wanted to show you how sanguigne you sounded in your comments :) there was nothing brittle nor defenseless in there, and here I'm not meaning to debate your type.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Also, no need to apologize, the reason why I joined in the first place was because debates like this one are inevitable, and it would make me too self-conscious to just hide behind a finger.
Damn, now I'm shit scared that you're going to retype me into Fi or Ti ego with my every new sentence ;) I just wanted to say that I experience the same thought processes as you described them in your videos of Ni and you managed to described them in a very understandable way, which I wouldn't be able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
So IEI's are not supposed to be judgmental? I don't get this impression from other IEI's around here at all. There's always some kind of bitchy aloof vibe.
And for the record, I fully support boobs and cleavages.
eheh! No, don't worry, I don't go around typing people :D and that's because I would feel bad for the person if they disagreed with my typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
And that's what I was meaning with j/p split, I don't view IEIs not being judgemental either :)
I am not even close to be labeled as an expert in typing.
I have troubles to figure out myself, wouldn't dare doing it with others.
Fi ego, Ti ego or whatever else, we are still humans.
Probably with different tastes and understanding what might be aesthetic or appropriate.
i only watched part of the first video but i got this vibe too actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshSun
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by lungs
@darya: one thing I can tell you about that "confidence" you keep talking about is that the only reason I keep making videos is that some people around me push and ask me to. Anyhoo I guess that being in my mid 30 and having studied psychology and communication all my life through plus having studied acting as a hobby for quite some time, may have provided techniques to face the cam-monster, which in all honesty, from my pov, I do not handle that well at all.
Just a stupid question, I'm in no way an expert...couldn't Ni pick up on patterns and similarities and intuitively feel the vibe as well (as wrong as it could be). I've seen many "acknowledged" IEI's on this forum type based on vibe or how similar they consider the person to be to them. I fact, isn't only natural for everybody to do that? To compare themselves to someone who is supposed to be the same type?Quote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
And to be honest I'm highly sceptical of VI, so no "her nose is different than mine", "she's wearing black and I'm wearing white" for me. I find many famous IEI pretty annoying and vain, but I still see myself in them :)
And I don't doubt @Lilith type at all, she sounds like an expert and I can see she's 458 tritype, which is probably a quite direct and agressive combination, much more than mine.
I totally get what you're saying, confidence can be very illusionary sometimes. And videos and forum writings are way different than RL interactions. You look in charge and self confident in your videos and that's only positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
Oh, and I don't get ESE vibe from you AT ALL :shock:
oh wait, is Lilith this chick?
haha, yes :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by AshSun
lol :D
i got a feeling it was you from your first post in this thread, but I didn't want to accuse you and embarrass myself :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
ahah! yeah, IEIs do get that kind of thing and all of those I know get self-conscious that way :D trust your Ni, girl ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
I think in the second video a few minutes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
Interesting about Adolf.... I don't rely on VI at all since I don't VI IEI either according to most people who have seen my pics or video.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInDreams
Yeah I wasn't basing on looks either... though her femininity can be a subjective thing. I am told I act like a man or give off a masculine vibe at times. I can be assertive and aggressive too. I could not VI to save my own life so basically.... I was conflicted on a couple of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Anyway I just woke up and have to write this down before I forget. I dreamt about this woman last night! She actually explained the points that were causing me confusion. She told me that things I could see in her that made me feel undecided on her type as IEI are things that I do not feel as confident about in myself. Like speaking on a subject without taking people down the rabbit hole with me. I told her she reminded me of some SLE energy and she said, "that is because you view yourself and me as self-dualized." She went on to say say that neither of us need another to validate our perception of self. She told me to keep trusting myself... it will be clear soon.
Hahah I love my dreams! I need some coffee then maybe it will all be clearer. Regardless of her type she has made a psychological impact on me. :O
I was impressed on the explanation of imagination being real. Only the true possessor of such imagination would know that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by darya
Probably... In an ironic twist of fate, when you joined this forum someone told me you seem/act just like me, so much so that I got a bit paranoid that you were trollin' me since you immediately spoke on things I had just discussed publicly before you joined.. :doh: Thanks for the dream conversation...it was enlightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
It is not a matter of like or dislike for me. I actually thought she seemed cool as fuck from the video but my confusion of energy was based on other things. Things that had me conflicted on the whole typing thing to begin with... I dreamt my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
I was not offended by her cleavage. I was impressed. My associations are just that, my associations. I proudly display mine as well whenever I feel like it and when I do it, it is to be noticed. Otherwise I would wear baggy t-shirts all the time. My logic tells me if I don't want someone to see something I cover it up, whether that is a physical or psychological attribute. I won't apologize for noticing the obvious. Irl I would never be that obvious in my noticing... like saying the comment, that I made, to a stranger. I would absolutely say it to a friend though and have had the "more ale" comment directed at myself from my friends. I just laugh because I know what they mean and that is how I made the association to begin with. Irl I might not help myself from admiring...but I also have better control of my filters in person, usually. :)
Why are the IEIs on this forum patronizing as shit?
I am not patronizing. I am seeing what I already felt inside. There is much more to IEI types than the descriptions can offer. Some of the descriptions make me want to cringe. Only a few people actually agree with my self-type. I don't care. I know how I function and it might not match up to the stereotypes.
@InvisibleJim
As predicted somewhere on this site. The IEIs are rising! :P
[she had me at "imagination"]
She bases her typing of Hit-ler as an IEI based on suggestive :Se:. I have seen a page on typing him in socionics which takes a different approach: http://www.socionics.us/philosophy/******.shtmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Hahahah censorship....foiled again! I am not sure why it is censored. Seems unnecessary and inconvenient to me. Especially when doing a search for specific information. It's not like people don't catch on real quick and circumvent the filters.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
Edit: Ok I can see the site now. Going to read. I do hope Vlad the Impaler was also IEI or maybe SLE. I vibe with him. :D
This is political correctness gone mad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Here it is again. I guess, just copy and paste, then remove the spaces. http://www.socionics.us/philosophy/h i t l e r.shtml
There you go. Filters circumvented. :agent:
I hear he roasted children. :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
Awww, I love children...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Martrix
I'd guess her type to be EIE > IEI, but the latter isn't unreasonable.
Glasses chick seems α-XXXp.
I'd say good observation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckr
We discussed about my typing again today, seemed appropriate ;) , and the final conclusion is that Si PoLR really makes no sense from every perspective other then some at times DELIBERATE debatable choice in clothings *smirk*
But, ya know, sometimes a vid may not tell the whole truth from an image pov.
Oh, dear. This thread has taken a dark turn. Though, I admit, I am partial to a jelly baby...or two. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I don't see any reason for typing you as anything other than IEI, especially if you are comfortable with that typing and you relate to the order of functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith
I got it! I'm OLD! ROFL XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Lamproly
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Originally Posted by Lilith
okay, up for pics sharing... this would be me as I used to go around normally when I was in my early twenties... T_T good old times
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This is probably the best comment I've seen up to now! ROFL XDQuote:
Originally Posted by William
Attention whoring bwaha!
Restyling
I didn't watch yet but I wanted to bump this and now it's gone. I think you looked beautiful in the screenshot that was shown but I really wanted to hear what you had to say.
@Lilith
Yeah... I'm currently going through a spiritual socionics-free enneagram oriented phase... :)
WTF.
This person is NOT a NF by any means. ESE-Si at best.
"Lilith"...oh really. I cannot grasps the exact connotations of this name, but all in all this figure is used as a nice, but pathetically (self-)subversive image boost. The OP has absolutely nothing "Lilithian" in her veins. Maybe unrelated, but any attempt at explaining Enneagram and/or Socionics is bound to fail.
Her skin also looks awful btw.
Why fucking flowers
not in the literal sens plz
wtf, put a mask on, or make up yourself...
why TULIPS and not ORCHIDS or Japanese CHERRY BLOSSOM or LILIES or holy fragile ruby ROSES ftw.
Sorry, I'm in Se mode right now. Fuck you all. I may be more tolerant next time if you don't exaggerate.
lolol and you're Fi-dom, wtf socionics. Yo Solaris be Fe-dom so you can be tolerantQuote:
Originally Posted by Agni
I like how there is no typicism and no judgement in these posts! :D Glad to be back!
since when people here need permission to be judgemental? that's a new one LMAO
lol if you wanna call it like that ROFL XD
Nice declaration of ethical bankruptcy. Particularly on proclaiming hierarchy of types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
The way she presents herself as something/someone she is not is quite *unethical*, yes. She claimed she was a IEI or EII in her videos, as far as I recall -- which she is not. I should probably feel some degree of pity for her impulse of wanting to be those types, though...because this "youtube celebrity" is overall pathetic enough. Unfortunately this doesn't happen and it would be very unethical to pretend I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaman
Besides adopting a persona that only shoots her in the foot is also quite unwise, not only fake (hence rather unethical), especially when she clearly has nothing in common with said mythological figure. Sadly "internal human contradictions" are not your expertise, but it's admirable that you think you can observe a "type hierarchy" in what I said. It definitely is. I'm also vaguely touched that you feel the drive to "defend" your dual. It humanizes you to a certain extent.
How do you know what type she is? Socionics or otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
BTW re the youtube channel, I thought about something like this at first, but then I realised she's got off her ass and done something, youtube doesn't cost me anything to watch so good on her.
Ugh i'm getting involved in a conversation about someone I don't even know.
We've already had a thread with plenty of videos dedicated especially to her. I think some of the Beta NFs questioned the self-typing she proudly carried in public through her youtube channel .... but without checking it again, I don't recall exactly how it started. She is obviously a Feeler, but absolutely not an Intuitive.
Her extroversion and lack of Fi/Ti may prevent her from too much introspection though ...so it's quite understandable that she kept nonchalantly and ingenuously spreading erroneous opinions and interpretations of sociotype, duality etc.
Ah so it was the user Lilith pretending the person in the videos was a stranger ... oder...? Or she actually spelled it out at some point. lol.
In response to my particular criticism of you, you provide unrelated criticism of 3rd person? Is that supposed to be a defense? deflection? are you four?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
And the criticism that you have is that she mistypes herself. Well, for your information being wrong is not generally considered "unethical" it has to be being wrong in a socially offensive way for example:
Socionic theory has this pretty amazing quality that not only does it distinguish types of people but explains how the differences in perspectives/ informational metabolism has place and need for other types and so feeds forward in to informational metabolism of socion/society as a whole. A concrete theory that sees and explains equal value in range of significant differences that often enough divide people... What you have to say is that someone is X type at best. Projecting your shitty personal prejudice hierarchy to a system that has none.
Still think that this is about OP or that you put ESE at X?
Something you noticed because people are normally dehumanized in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
Your criticism of me has no value, because you are hardly a person whose opinion I respect. I do encourage you however to get involved in discussions when they don't focus on your dual (aka "whom you think you should like, because Socionics says so").Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaman
And yes, I provided you with details about my own general criticism of that person, because you seemed to lack awareness in that respect. It is only fair, I don't know why you make a show of it all.
I made *no hierarchy of types*, Mr. Ti base so/sp who feeds on misunderstandings. I implied her most probable type is ESE-Si ... it was part of an older discussion. Check out her thread: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...e-is-this-girl. ILE comes next. Sorry again for making you butt in with random arguments against what you think devalues your dual.
To answer your only interesting and valid point here: maybe. But people often dehumanize themselves in my eyes.
You are claiming that by"at best" you mean "most likely"? Well, I guess I would have to believe you just suck at English if it is foreign language to you. Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
In that particular context it referred to the best or most favorable guess/scenario. To answer your extra question: it's part of what I studied as well as part of what I happen to teach. I hope you are not really claiming only native speakers can have/reach advanced knowledge of a language ..because that would be very creepy thinking and of course a very weak premise. It's also against the basic principles of my very profession and I don't want to think that low of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaman
Some mistakes are just ones you expect native speakers not to make while pretty much anything can happen with foreign language. And now we know that there was no mistake with language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
You said ~ "Not NF. ESE at most favorable." Implying that NF typing is more favorable than ESE typing and that there are typing's less favorable than ESE. Revealing not in a subtle manner ordering of types in better off/better? to worse off/worse? dimension. Such arrangements can be called hierarchy.
hierarchy: 1.any system of persons or things ranked one above another. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hierarchy)
Things you said you did not do two times. What is the misunderstanding?
Oh when you bring up type probability through an examination of someone's personality, looks, and behavior... do you automatically make a hierarchy? I didn't say "ESE is worse than EII/IEI, but better than SEI/ILE/whatever."
Anyway something is wrong here. I don't know why this man appears stuck in a derail with me instead of engaging in savory and productive conversations with his beloved dual. It must be more fun than proving Socionics right or at least testing it.
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Originally Posted by Sienna
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How stupid are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sienna
How stupid and absurd are *you*? Ranking my estimations of someone's type according to their chances of being spot-on = making a hierarchy of systems/persons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaman
Regardless of your Sociotype, you are totally abhorrent, so why don't you change your focus a bit ...how about commenting on your potential dual, since this is the topic of the thread.