I wonder what type wrote this. Se PoLR?
http://www.socionics.com/articles/gammasf.html
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I wonder what type wrote this. Se PoLR?
http://www.socionics.com/articles/gammasf.html
lol...Quote:
But Gamma SFs are the most narrow-minded of all types and the most inconsiderate of others peoples wishes and rights - especially anyone who happens to be fundamentally different from them.
the entire description feels really alpha-centric + stupid and untrue.
I must admit that I have seen some ESFps acting in a way that can be constructed as similar to this part of the post:
the rest of the description seems NTR.Quote:
Gamma SFs, the Politicans (ESFP) and Conservators (ISFJ), are masters of exploiting interpersonal relations to ensure they get what *they* want at minimal personal cost. The game is self-assertion and obesiance, and what they want can change on a whim. Depending on their perceived "severity" of the issue, they can demand that the world stop, every logistical system of polity and natural order be circumvented, and everyone around them be miserable, wait, or lose out if they have not yet acquired what it is they want, or believe themselves to be entitled to (though often arrived at through no particularly sound methodology).
And this mentality is largely why I prefer socionics as something I keep as an afterthought in my dealings with people and not being at the forefront of my mind, perhaps analyzing others via socionics to the point of dehumanizing (if that's the word I'm looking for) others. Another reason why I usually don't talk about it, except at this moment, of course. I guess the desire to talk about it comes and goes every once in a while.
That said, I can see where the writer is coming from, but s/he, whether intentionally or not, blows it out of proportion.
Do I primarily focus on my personal wants and desires? Yes. If I feel strongly about something, especially where I feel it [negatively] impacts my friends, my family, myself, and my society, might I unwittingly desire some sort of upheaval of the systems in place which uphold a cycle of oppression (or whatever the hell you want to call it. This whole hypothetical scenario is vague as fuck, anyway)? Of course.
It's clear a self-identified Alpha NT wrote the article and had, for whatever reason at the time of writing that, a reason to perceive some us vs. them-ism between Alpha NTs and Gamma SFs, provided the writer is being more, rather than less, serious. To me, the writer is projecting.
I can see where a number of his generalizations are coming from and relate to a number of them, but a lot of it is open to interpretation, like many things concerning socionics, and as is the norm, ime, with relating socionics to real people, I can find examples of people I know who contradict these generalizations in spite of being Gamma SF.
edited for late night incoherence and dyslexia
Sounds like a INTj that had a bad experience with an ESFp. They can be assholes at times, but I think it has more to do with the person than the type.
there are parts of the description where i could see how somebody could describe me that way. i can be good at manipulating and exerting emotional control at a close distance. but not as some kind of broader political social game.
a lot of the description could apply to anybody, really, like who doesn't focus on what they want?
there is also a lot i don't relate to at all, especially the materialism and social standing stuff. and i don't think i'm really inconsiderate about other peoples wants. how concerned i am depends on the situation but i don't step on innocent bystanders to get ahead. some of it just sounds sociopathic, lol.
i could ctrl+v the description here and bold and cross out and discuss relevant parts but its probably not worth doing?
i can't even begin to guess the authors type.
blah, I hate manipulation. I can not do it to people I'm close to. I'll have a physical response if I even try to...I'll literally feel sick. Can't. I'll have an overwhelming sense of anxiety until I get something off my chest. Any type of control over someone makes me see the person as weak over time.
if it's a matter of my safety/life/death...absolutely, I'll lie my ass off and I'll do it without skipping a beat.
The author is joking. The whole thing is tongue-in-cheek.
Putting that rant as a description is pretty atrocious.
Looks like ILE's to me. Reactionary offensive defense of his morality- not without aggregated Fi PoLR.
It actually sounds more like an Fe leading type, but whatever.
Ya... :/ I didn't read the OP .. I just felt like commenting.