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If you flirt openly and often sexually and girls are receptive to your advances on a continual basis you are definatelly ENTj ...
If you have problems keeping extroverted girls interested in you beyond occasional amounts of outgoing activity and it seems like they are "dealing with you" you are INTp ...
Note that I could be wrong, as I am basimg that on my own experiences and from what I have heard from INTps.
You are definitely right, rmcnew...Quote:
If you have problems keeping extroverted girls interested in you beyond occasional amounts of outgoing activity and it seems like they are "dealing with you" you are INTp ...
Now, the diffrence between an ENTp and an ENTj is that ENTps are more relationship oriented than ENTjs, and tend to get "befriended" a whole lot more or end up being a boyfriend ... ENTjs on the other hand tend to not make very good boyfriends.
Some ENTps wisen up sexually and start emulating ENTjs in their behaviour to some degree and might even get worse than ENTjs because of their weak :Fi: or :Fe: or whereever they are weak - I am not very good with symbols yet ...
Yeah, I sort of had the same realization also that I am definatelly not an INTp when I heard some of the INTps telling horror about their ways with women. I've been far more successful than that ...
Plus, I had a beneficial relationship with a hot little buttercup of an ENFj in which I was the benefactor, so that pretty much sums it up that I an ENTp ...
That, and I have a supervisory relationship with my father who is an ISTj ...
So, I guess if you want to be really really sure of your type [like me], you can start typing people around you and figure out the type of relationship you have with them; that's what I did ...
:shock: This has to be the most ridiculous method of discriminating between INTP and ENTJ there is. After the rather dubious "experiment to prove" VI, we had the website that stole other people's work and exposed illegally people's photographs, and now we have the magic formula to discriminate between ENTJ and INTP. Well of course!
Please, explain to us, rmcnew, how you manage to arrive to such superior knowledge. It seems that the rest of the world needs to make hypotheses, design experiments, gather data and analyze them with specific techniques. You, on the other hand, possess supernatural powers that able you to know in ways us mere mortals can only dream of. What is your secret, oh great Rmcnew?
I actually agree with rcmnew on this one. It is a good "practical" method for identifying ENTj vs. INTp. I disagree with his ENTp/j distinction however. I think that might be based in quadrable bias. The way he does things is Ne of course ;) There are advantages to this method like being able to see things without having to test but of course there are disadvantages. This is why alpha will always be superior in undefined systems whilst Gamma will be superior to Alpha in defined systems.
I suppose you are trying to be intentionally rediculous and redundant to emphasize a point to justify your own biased judgement, which for the most part is unfair and untrue. Frankly, I think these are things you want to believe, and believe them you shall. Hurts? Maybe, but that's what unfounded criticism does ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidos
I think that rmcnew made his coclusions with his :Ne: . You just have to believe into it and that is all. You can't explain :Ne: ,but it works. ENTJ has :Ne: however strong subconcious function and so they just cannot see how this thing works, but it works.
Please explain to us, how you managed to arrive at such founded logic. It seems that the rest of the world faces hard cold truth of reality, relying upon experience, hunches, intuition, and trial and error. You, on the other hand, posess this amazing ability to to turn gold into straw, shit into bricks. What is your secret, oh great Eidos?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidos
I did, but it doesn't matter. I think people learn enough about socionics by just experiencing how people interact in this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by male21notinthegame
The reason why I said that is because the ENTjs I know have tended to be far more promiscuosly agressive in their behaviour than the ENTps I know, except for the ENTps that get tired of being burned and actually go the opposite extreeme bypassing ENTj behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
Of course, that is my observation ... it seems like the main diffrent is sort of dualistic, ENTjs do the burning while ENTps get burned for a period of time, but after a period of time there is a flip-flop and ENTjs get burned and ENTps do the burning.
Sort of a love/hate type of relationship ...
If this were true, how in the Canada do I not have a human friend-g right now? Bloody Canada man, your ideas are founded on narrow experiences. Regardless of type, you aren't more or less likely to "pick up chicks", so quiet down about this type-related-promiscuity. Also, do not disrespect another member of this forum like that again. Since you are new, I won't report you to a mod, but you still should apologize to everyone you annoyed, angred, etc., especially to Eidos. There is a certain decorum in this forum, and foremost is to respect everyone's opinion and "play nice".Quote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
Here is the true differences between ENTJ and INTP, which luckily I have real experience with, as I am an ENTJ, and my best friend is an INTP.
ENTJs are nice folks to be around, although a little bossy and self-assured. Once you get past that, their energy will enable you do strive for your best.
INTPs are also very nice people. They are very understanding and patient. Where others give up, they stay on, seeing it through. Their compassion will enable you to pick yourself up after an emotional disturbance. They are the "healers" of the psychiatric world.
This is all based on my experiences, so if it contradicts with your findings, maybe it may be because I have good taste in friends and don't spend my days in isolation watching people from afar. I prefer to be in the action, interacting with others. This brings far greater results than anything else I know of. Since my "subjects" are willing to talk to me, they are more open to be themselves around me, resulting in again, better results. Even if my methods are flawed, at least I have the knowledge that in the end, they're still my friends, regardless of what I learned or didn't learn from them, not that I actually interview them constantly and study them, as I just live life in their company.
I suppose I should apologize to you, for insulting your methods, however you've already angered me past apology level. Tone you stuff down and write an apology to Eidos, and I'll apologize to you.
First of all, I do not owe Eidos an apology, nor do I think an entire type is full of promiscuous people. However, I do believe that ENTjs are habitually more prone to being openly exposed as promiscuous. There could be other type related factors that change the perspective from, but that is my general consensus atleast.
And I don't really think Eidos owes me an apology, either; except for the fact that he insults my intelligence and learning capabities, which I don't think he realizes he comes off that way. But, there are so many misunderstandings in this forum and miscimmunications I have really ceased to care. If people get along, find. If not, fine.
Yes, Canada, a nice country to the north. Wikipedia has a nice entry about it. Canada is notable for its free, tax-supported health care, and their attempts to be like Amsterdam (they've recently been thinking about allowing medical marjuana and lowering the drinking age).
However, the reference I make to Canada is as the antipode of paradise. The reason for this: any moral person would find Canada to be like a hell, with their freedom of the flesh and indulgences thereof. Canada is a nice country, but as of late, they've lost their way in trying to appease everyone. Canada is still mildly subjective to Great Britain (notice how they seem to hang on GB's command, despite being independant for hundreds of years). The US controls Canada's economy and GB controls its politics. Canada is loosing its identity, and as such is trying to be a party nation to try to regain something like a personality.
Sheila: Time's have changed
Our kids are kids are getting worse
They wont obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canadas fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
It seems that everythings gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Some Guy: There not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: Heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hubbabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
:P
No, really, I love Canada. Next to 42 it's the answer to everything :D
I think you do. I don't think you realize how the things you are saying sound to others. You definitely need an ISFp in your life :) I know where it is coming from so I sympathize but you do need to cool it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
I don't understand why, the thread wasn't even about him and he comes in her spouting nonsense and insulting my intelligence.
Aagh! My overactive imagination and accursed ENTJ sense of humor! This one is killing me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
(hint: it's the typo) :8*
Heh, leave it to an ENTj ... :wink:Quote:
and he comes ...
He could say the same thing about your ENTj/ENTp comment which also was not asked for besides the fact that it is also nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
Not really, the ENTjs I know do act that way, as well as the ENTps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
In any case, If that was intended as an insult I did a really poor job at it.
I've been wondering about that quote and others which claim that ENTJs are promiscuous. I find that to be a bit of a misunderstanding. ENTJs are passionate, certainly, but not people who tend to have sexual adventures. I've been approached by introverts feelers about as often as I've approached them. An ENTJ wants Fi - loyal, long-lasting love from his/her partner and acts accordingly. I find it likely that a typical ENTJ will have almost the same number of marriages as one night stands in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
Now what is true on the other hand that ENTJ is very open about what he/she wants and needs. If an ENTJ wants a person, he/she will pursue the matter _very_ directly (or not at all if he/she thinks there is little chance of success).
The problem is that I never intended to imply that they all are promiscuos, I intended to imply that they are very open and are called out quicker than other types.
I think I actually clarified that in a previous post, not sure if anyone read that.
Sure. I wasn't reacting only to your post. There's been others on the forum. I was just making a general observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmcnew
From what I have noticed ENTps are worse if anything.
If you go back and read, did I not say that some ENTps actually become worse than ENTjs because of their weak Fi or Fe ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
Sometimes I think people just jump to conclusions.
That was @smilingeyes heh
Ohhh, me bad ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
Yes, exactly... Thanks for saying that! As an ENTJ, I'm very loyal and not promiscuous at all. I've been with the same girlfriend since years and still love her just as much. But I was very open with her and was direct in pursuing her...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
I think it's an important clarification. ENTJ's are very loyal, not really promiscuous... but they will be quite direct if they like someone.
Now, I'm not even going to argue about Rmcnew's answers...
What song is that you typed? Or did you write it yourself? Also, nice reference to THGTTG (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
Thank you smiling for clearing that up with the ENTJ promiscuity problem. Note how rc won't bother with a solid argument against it. Also, it is true. We aren't little @5540735 who run around jumping on any lodb we see, but we are very open. Loyalty is also very important. I'd like to quote myself from the future should I ever encounter a promiscuous lodb who wanted to be my human friend: "Folks, don't need all the promiscuity in the place. Any lady of mine should be loyal to me, elsewise they aren't a lady of mine. Furthermore, any lady of mine who is unloyal shall be immediately barred from my presance, and the human with whom she was disloyal with shall be immediately shot on sight, for he would know that milady was milady". Basically said, that quote says that any lady I know would have to be loyal to me. She can't go lodbing about like a lodb, for that is dishonorable. Further, whoever she is disloyal (cheats on me with) with, shall be immediately shot, for any man stupid enough to do such a thing would deserve to be shot. This would count even if he didn't know, for even if she lied to him, he still should have the sense not to do the immoral thing like he did. Technically, milady would be lucky not to be shot either, for she was the one who committed the act. However, she is afforded that "privilage" for being milady, but after that, would not ever be in my presence again (I would immediately break up with her, and mail her belongings to her in a cardboard box which may or may not arrive undamaged, depends on my mood).
Also, it is true that if we feel we don't have at least an (I'd say) 85% chance of her saying "yes", we won't pursue the matter, at all. This is why, when "interviewed" by my lady friends who aren't human friends, I always tell them to spread it around to their friends that I don't ask people out because of that. Of course, I say it is tradition for me to wait for a lady to ask, and then make up some story about how for 5 generations, all the men in my family found their wives when they asked him out, not the other way around. Nice story and makes her feel that I'd have a high chance of marrying her (which I might, depends on what kind of person she is). Actually, unlike what smiling said, I wouldn't have that many marriages as he stated. For me, based on my upbringing (the entire nature v nurture issue), marriage is reserved only for true love, and is witnessed by God Himself, thus to break a covenant such as this is blasphemy and you can't recover from that. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if someone say me with a human friend for 10 years before we married (lol, definately wouldn't be that long, but would be at least 2-5 years).
Anyway, despite what you thought rc, you still should apologize for overreacting. Being all ameteur (some professional) psychologists and sociologists, we all feel the same about our life's work being rebuked and questioned, especially in such an obscene and ludicrous way. Perhaps if you hadn't based it entirely on minor observations and sited some websites and books, we wouldn't be so angry. Just play nice children and the dogs won't eat your faces. A line that is true outside of comedy.
However, the point is, the majority of the topics listed in this thread alone are only related to socionics by a very limited idea. Relationships are tied to socionics, but not intertwined. If I wanted to be a complete 455 about it, I could do so. If I wanted to respect milady as she deserves, I could do that as well. Further, if I wanted to modb around like a lodb, I could, despite my complete hatred for all humans who do so. Sure, to do so would require snapping a myriad mental walls and completely re-writting my morality and self-discipline/control "sectors", possibly resulting in insanity if I have as strong morality as I think I have. However, it is possible. Further, a lodb can become a well-respected, self-reliant member of society at large and even rise throught he ranks to become a Senator or the President. Anything is possible, irregardless of type and subtype. Typing is just the generilization of a person's actions based on conclusions brought upon by simple observations of their actions in the general populuce. Basically an extrapolation based upon relatively limited data of a person's mental state. Despite the fact that I pretty much undermined the entire socionics idea and called it a fascistic concept, I think people will argue this to Canada and back. I'll have to remember that one for when I write my new signature... (very good point brought up)
First of all, I didn't say anything diffrent than smiling eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl60861
Second, there is nothing to argue about as this whole thing between me and Eidos has been based on an "insistance" that I follow a learning path that does not relate to me.
Third, I did not over-react; I replied to Eidos' snide remarks and assumptions that are neither true nor relate to me, and again relate to the insistance that I follow a learning path that does not relate to me.
And yes, I will continue to make conclusions wth my :Ne: ... I refuse to be anything that I am not, and I will not let people realitive to :Te: tell me how to do things and insult my intelligence if I don't.
And I will not recant the origional post of this thread as it is in fact an "practical example" based on "EXTREMITY" ... something that apparently doesn't relate well with some :Te: or :Ti: types ...
Sorry, i did not catch the meaning! What does it mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
No hidden meaning. It's just that ENTJ is a marrying type. I've even seen statistics on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
-Smilex
The name of the song is? That is what I asked for (if I forgot to, that is what I meant to ask for).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve
rc, because I just enjoy messing your name up (yes, I know it is rm), I don't think I'll dignify most of that with a response except:
Yes, you did sort of overreact. He never did actually insult you directly. If you insinuated this from his demenor, that is your perceptual reality, and I won't bother with that. Ahh, perceptual reality, as defined by me on the Blog... "the reality that is formed in one's mind based on input from external stimulae. The result formed by the interpretation of information. A collective perceptual reality set that is agreed upon by a majority is called "reality". Reality is nothing more than our perceptions brought upon by our continual fluxuations in interpreting knowledge about our physical uiniverse, primarily the collective understanding". Basically, based on your interpretation of the incident, you found your actions to be necessary to remedy the situation. However, your perceptual reality is in contest with mine, and in order for me to sort of keep my sanity for a moment, I wrongly tried to force mine upon you. When someone's perceptual reality is directly challenged in even a small way, it is almost like finding out your mother/father, your favorite pet, and your son/daughter all died at once. Although an exaggeration of its actual implication, this example shows how we are all tied sanely around our own personal perceptual reality. Without it, we lose the mental shielding that keeps us from worrying about any little thing. If it is seriously challenged, your mind could possibly snap, resulting in a loss of sanity. However, your statements didn't actually challenge my perceptual reality in such a way, so if I'm insane, it may be because I literally haven't talked to anyone in 2 days (my family never was big on talking, and with summer being here, I don't really see my friends, as we all have conflicting work schedules this year). Yes, my life is that special.
Do as you will with your original proposition, as any sort of research, so far as it can be backed with proof and can be verified, is valid. Perhaps the people in your area are as you say. However, speaking from my own Gamma Paradise of an area, we are definately not as you speak of. However, this may just be a regional difference, primarily based on the fact that we have around 10 religious centers per town (I know Mr. Cone is going to debate this, but look about, just in my town, we have 2, the Methodist Church and the Zion Church, all within walking distance of my house. In your town, there is obviously the church behind your house (where my family spends its family reunions, so if you want to drop by, bring 30 usd to pay for your meal, and be sure to bring your human friend, the beer flows a plenty), the church on Mine 42, the church down the road that is technically in Richland, and the church that is on Palestine (which is the Zion Church to which I referred to). There may possibly be others). Anyway, do as you will, for no man can control another justly, and even maneuvering you to think even the slightest bit counter to your own findings is a facist idea and invalid. However, play nice with the kiddies and apologize nicely if Eidos requests it. You can consider this to be a pseudo-apology on my part, since you have yet to play your part of the "deal for apologies".
It's simply: Blame Canada :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl60861
ahha you guys are funny. you guys cant compare unless you were double headed and quit trying to make explanations between the profiles of whatever it is you are. Start off by comparing your your own profile andd when you get to the point where you have enough inforation, yeah and then you guys can start another psychology gladiators or whatever your games are. INTPs have a tangled up maze-personality and and its nearly impossible to figure them out, unless, you are one and they are nice yeah but when you cross their lines theye(we) will shut your mouth up and backfire your words to you. they are very sensitive and argumentative and they are hard to make shut in the middle of an argument, unless, you shoot them..haha...well im heading out and my point is that you all should have known this in beginning not to try be double headded acting like you know the other profile. peace out.
stfu n00b, you know not of our ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by henry
Aside from very poor grammar and spelling (are you uber-british, because even they don't spell "they" as theye), and the very angry way you speak, you may have a point, but it is lost in all the n00bishness.
Pretty much, INTPs roxor, so there. They are very good to speak to, especially if you want an intelligent debate. Our "psychology gladiator"torial debates are very useful. They keep us mentally on our toes and also help us in professional debating. Since I've been here, I've not lost an arguement with people in the real world (well, I pwn as an orator, however I've improved even further).
INTPs aren't that difficult to figure out, notice we really haven't had a topic on them. Logically, we've either figured them out, or we just gave up. I haven't checked the archives to see who won, but I'm assuming we figured them out.
If you want to debate this further, we'll have at it. However, use proper grammar and spelling before you do. Depending on how great a threat of you, I may actually unleash my true oratorial skizzles (skill).
Go back to your n00b hole, nublet.
PS, the reason I'm speaking in gamespeak is because I just got off a marathon session of RF (Red Faction, my favorite FPS (First Person Shooter) game), and am preparing myself for another, as I lead my clan to victory.
[rabble rousing]
We, the Knights Templar, shalt hereby pwn the n00bs known as the Lost Souls clan. They cannot compare to our skill and divine province. May God be with us.
[/rabble rousing]
w00t!
How the hell can I tell the difference ? I think I might be one of the two but I can't tell which. I've been bumping up against this SEI guy I'm 'friends' with.... Conflicting or Superego maybe
Best way is to read the mirror relationship
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Stratiyevskaya
There are differing methods and approaches on Te and Ni
Thank you in going to read that now
Check out Socionic temperaments...... LIE is EJ temp and ILI is IP temperament. http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/temperaments/
Try IR for different people near you - check what you feel to them and how this fits to IR theory. It's hard to choose own type without IR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lola
That article... is just about right. I do it and I admit it. If I can shift the responsibility of the completion of a task to a more suited party I do it. It's all in the name of efficiency mind you. Why not let someone who specializes in X do X for me while I focus on something I'm more suited to? It's all about the division of labor, we ought all focus on the shit we're best at and leave our weak spots to others who have them as strong points. You wouldn't ask a hairdresser to go and mine for coal now would you? Don't ask an observer to go and do what essentially amounts to that. Lemme just observe OK? We'll all be happier for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
I lied, we won't. I'll be happier, but most of you other people probably won't. I think this is why my type constantly yearns for minions, if only we had minions to boss around so that everything could get done as we quietly observe the world. Shit gets done and we get to sit back and relax, heaven!
You're welcome @Lola
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A lot of ILIs are perfectly able to get laid, they just cannot convince themselves that it is worth it.
Indeed.
Since i had this question too and came to the conclusion that i wasn't ILI but Strong Ni-Lie subtype, how i could differenciate:
Temperament, Ej is restless and hyperactive while Ip can be like a massive black hole in the room that swallows every kind of energy.
Result and Process: Entj (result) comes to conclusions top down, works with a big mental representation of whats happening and goes from the conclusion to the details that lead to them, also it's more stress resistant.
Demonstrative in social interaction, while under people i am confortable with i use a lot of Ne in a playfull way while i simpy don't seem to care about ti.
Interacting with Mirror types or other intertype relationships: With SEE i have activity with SLE benefit SLIs seem to despise me and i seem to supervise a IEI at least i could if i was mean. Also mutual correction and 2 sides of the same coin happen while interacting with ILI while interaction with LIE more started like a teacher student thing and went into concurrence with mutual disstatisfaction soon.
Polr was also a great source do determine, Fe polr should be obvious, when you are being social as LIE you will propably use Fe as a ILI you will not, if you are restless and a bit hyperactive, can't enjoy the moment, and are absolutely unable to bring yourself to relax without drugs or other aids propabliy LIE.
When you casually talk about food and health issues on an average personal distance bringing it up by yourself you are propably ILI.
Hope this could make things clearer also for others who find this with the search function.
You convinced me with “I could if I were mean.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsme
:) , are Intps so much meaner though? Could make sense because to attract a Fi lead you should be hard wired to strive to be decend, for a Se lead it could be a hinderance, but in the descriptions ILIs are often said to be more into Fi matters than LIE due to their hidden agendaQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
ILI’s have 2D Fi while LIE’s have 1D Fi. This surprised me when I first read it, because I was judging all the ILI’s I knew by how well they seemed to like people (which they do not seem to do because they are FePoLR), but I do believe that ILI’s are better at Fi, which is knowing who and what they like, than are LIE’s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsme
ILI’s seem to be one step ahead of me in seeing the values in a relationship. I can clearly see this ability in them. SEE’s seem to have monstrous insight into people’s motivations, and ESI’s are just off the scale and out of my ability to comprehend. I don’t understand ESI’s, but I can ask them questions and get answers.
Interesting, yes, one can only imagine how it is not to run around semi blind in relationships, but maybe there is an ESI-guide dog aviable out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
Shocking how much there is never to comprehend in a lifetime just because you have been born with a different function order.
I will have to take a look at how the strong Fi- Types i know work, maybe i can ask them how they are that good at this.
Never had this issue, one could probably say it's the reason I do a lot of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsme
Is it worth it? :confused: I don't see it.
Weak nonvalued Fe means people are not accented on objective value of people as persons. This does not mean they dislike them, they more try do not input emotions (Fe ones mostly) in thoughts about them, to stay emotionally indifferent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Strange
It's similar with role Fe and is more noticable when L*E are tired - they switch to poker faces. Fe types may perceive this as disrespect and inabbility to influence on base Te, which influence Fe types have lesser than it seems as base Te types often play Fe as surface and formal rituals.
There is not significant difference in strenght between weak and strong functions.
Te types value Fi. They prefer personal relation - like you to me, so me to you. Te types real emotionality is switched by this, - when you do something personal good or bad to them. You'll not get loud emotions, but in eyes you'll see what happens inside, also you may expect a justiful return relation.
ILI ain't a cunt
ILI are highly negative and can not stand LIE who are positive
Bullshieeet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
It is true, what Maritsa said, if you are mistyped you won't understand - BTW, LIE are introverts and tend to mistype themselves if coming from MBTI or crappy tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remiel
It’s not lol. ILI’s duals are SEE who are also positivists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupman
If an ILI dislikes LIE it’s for other reasons.
Actually there's another fact to learn - duals cannot work with each other side by side for the same positivist/negativists reason. Things work bests when duals don't interfere with each other - and normally they sort of don't given their divergent sphere's of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
I have personally asked Viktor DarkAngelFireWolf69 about this - you can ask him yourself, he's got a facebook page etc.
I actually know this from first hand experience both SEE & ESE even don't instinctively understand the mindset of a person that starts dwelling on problems when deriving an answer. They just see it as somebody trying to spoil the enthusiasm - passionate vitriol is amply supplied when they see this.
Something for you to learn is how to STFU. Directly quote what he said then if you’re good buddies, because as far as I know, the point of this positivism/negativism dichotomy is that they balance each other out in a good way. Of course there’s the general clash of opposites that comes with duality but Reinins in isolation are purely complementary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupman
A piece of evidence towards this is that all ITR only have half of the Reinins in complement, except for duality, which has them all in complementary pairs. So if DarkAngelFireWolf69 speaks against this he’s wrong af. DarkAngelFireWolf69 isn’t God. Reinins were made to highlight compatibility.
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Originally Posted by sbbds
“Emotionally the ILI has a suppressing effect on the LIE. "He as if kills everything that is living," complains about his ILI friend a merry, restless jokesmith LIE, "Around him all the joy of life disappears - all of its vitalizing nutrients evaporate." It is difficult for the LIE to interact with the ILI for a long period of time. ILI's emotional dullness and insipidness takes a heavy toll on him. LIE's ethical aspects are at least held to some norms, while the ILI can be an obnoxious partner for him in this respect - he either depresses LIE's spirits by boredom, disheartenment, and melancholy, or irritates him by sudden outbursts of anger, unethical statements and behavior, and unbridled humor and jokes. And ILI's jokes can be even more shocking than LIE's, even more ill-suited, crude, and indecent (lets recall ILI's famous "black humor"!). ”
First of all this is from LIE’s perspective towards ILI, not the other way around which is what we were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
Next, this structurally can’t be the effect of positivism and negativism on their own clashing. ILI is also like that because of Fe polr, and they naturally seek positivism and Fe demonstrative and energy from their duals. LIE has Fe role instead, which takes on a different flavour and can grate against ILI.
ESIs are technically negativists as well and are seen to be killjoys too in some ways by LIE as well, but the point of negativism is to reduce cognitively. It’s not about pessimism although it can appear like that because of the direction of mental focus negativists get into.
You are quite disagreeable for someone of your typeQuote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
You two are conflictors, so... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
Possibly but even conflict relationships pose as something sweet and nice at the beginning which is what attracts them rather than repels them. In conflicts which are easy to start SLE comes off as affirming positive inspiring inspirational and positiveQuote:
Originally Posted by MrsTortilla
Possibly, but it is my belief that experience with your conflictor in the past can really remove the beginning part of the relations in future interactions with new conflictor people. In other words, the more you spend time with any conflictor, the more “allergic” you get to your conflictor in general. I could be wrong but that’s been my experience. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
You are correct in many ways but in the ways that I am allergic to SLE is when they speak about energy strength power etc not when they disagree with me on my posts and try to correct and reconstruct me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsTortilla
If you can't bend over and nibble at the tip of your penis you're mistyped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soupman
Btw you're ridiculous.
The qualities that conflictor might handle well but also makes fun of is quite serious business for a dual. LIE's are quite adept when trained to bombard people with ridiculous ideas. There is no real moment for wonder.
Whereas tecnically busting something do make SEI's quite amused and ESI's perhaps quite paranoid.
I also see the above description happening in LIE and ILI dynamic.
What are you talking about lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
Somewhere in the literature it says it’s impossible to argue with SLE
No lmao. I’m like this with all people on this forum. It has nothing to do with Maritsa actually although yes we’re conflictors technically. Debating is just fun. It’s why I’m here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsTortilla
I still love you Maritsa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
It's not that ILI hates LIE positivity. LIE just could be seen as too reckless, ignoring all the possible bad outcomes. ILI are not negative on purpose. They don't like loose in life, it's better to be 100 percent sure of smth or having 5791136644 back up plans if something bad happens. ILI loves comfort and hates to gamble. (and yes, i am ILI, if you are wondering)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautiful sky
I agree, but with a small yet very important caveat. Gambling sucks, but it is better to gamble for a potential total lottery win than it is to take the "safe" route where you only lose a little bit. Losing is losing, and if I have a chance to win rather than lose I'd rather much take the winning option. Besides, ya gotta trust your instincts. :Ni: dominants have won proverbial empires going off that logic, why stop rolling those dice at the most opportune of moments now when it has always seemed to work out well more often than not according to history?Quote:
Originally Posted by Veromoni
It's rather easy to tell the two apart.
You didn’t need to tell him stfuQuote:
Originally Posted by sbbds
I'd like to resurrect this thread, as I'm experiencing the same dilemma. Narrowed down my type to Gamma NT.
Here is a questionnaire I have attempted and some things I've written.
https://pastebin.com/a3NsP3Lj
I would say ILI, the Ni sounds almost beta, have you been in alot of contact with NF betas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom
What's the female version?Quote:
Originally Posted by hag
Interesting. Are you talking about the Ni section in the questionnaire? Even if I was in contact with them, I wouldn’t know because I’m shit at typing lol. Won’t say my answers were influenced by anything external though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero
What do you mean when you say that my Ni sounds beta?
No I detected strong Ni in the first spoiler text. Hadn't yet read the questionnaire but you remind me of my ILI friend who reads a lot of Sadegh Hedayat, who is also ILI. What you wrote also sounds a bit like Hedayat I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom
I would point out that the picture Phantom uses is one you could use as an archetypal image of the INTp soulscape. Also the writing most definitely seems like the passive accepting viewing of thought flow that characterizes INTp-Ni.
I disagree with beta. There's a clear structure here: "Like it or not, Dubstep is the classical music of today. Not implying that Skrillex is as talented as Mozart but in 2200, our generation will probably be associated with dubstep just like the days of the Renaissance are associated with classical music. Dubstep is a perfect representation of the current generation because it screams what it's all about - technology."
This structure has a strongly declarative, narratorial style. No questions, no room for the opinions of others. This person is literally creating Te. Making up new facts. "Like it or not, Dubstep is the classical music of today". That's a sentence that when written in Rolling stone magazine could define an era, be repeated for years.
Contrast to Zero's ENTj-style is clear enough.
Fun fact. The music you like is what makes you smarter. Mozart and Skrillex performed equally in the test to people who liked it, but unequally to the people who preferred one. I'd find the test, but no. Not enough effort today.
Huge difference is tendency to write a ton vs tendency to post large amounts of writing by someone else that is good. One is more efficient, but requires other people to have written about the subject. I've seen a wall of articles posted before on various discords, and that's about typical. I'll post a wall of text, and maybe one article. Other option is that I suck at doing bibliographies, which is likely true.