how do you think being male could affect your self-typing because of how you view yourself?
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how do you think being male could affect your self-typing because of how you view yourself?
You are part of my tribe...IEI,. confirmed and final! haha who do I sound like?
Hint: the eyes say it all.
It is interesting when you say, when you're hungry you're really hungry and when you're thirsty... I do that too. It shows in a way you are not paying attention until you reach the point that you have to.
I have a video of me speaking in a similar way. It is old but I may show you.
Type 4w3 maybe. You seem to want intensity in relationships so check out sx first not sure if sx/so .
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-fo...n-4w3-4w5.html
To me you are clearly a romantic...that's sweet...you say you want a partner stronger than you? I relate to that but I tend to be too controlling of my own life so I want someone who knows how to take control, in some areas, sometimes. Someone who inspires me to act. I am very much an introvert, my energy comes from within and too much social drains me. I do not deal well with everyday activities. I find cooking and housework mundane so thankfully I have people who do those things for me. I am in a position where I do not have to worry about making money and survival issues so I am not sure how my sx/sp comes off to others. I do not enjoy very
social events. Unless music is involved. I like small groups and I have very few people I consider friends. Lots of acquaintances though. I keep a bubbles around me, :content: when I am in public but I let my shield down sometimes. I usually do not want to be in the spotlight though but it happens then I feel like disappearing.
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DISCLAIMER: I do not know enough about socionics to type anyone.
i only watched a few minutes but demeanor and body language say Ip temperament to me, not ESI.
It could see it being a factor, although I don't really care about being conventionally masculine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radio
Ha, interesting. :) Aren't I a bit 'soft' for Beta though? Although my fantasies do have subtle Beta NF/Judicious vibes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylen
I am about as soft as they come. :) I will send you a pm to explain that in a bit. Some even feel I am fragile. I kinda like that for some reason. I see why they feel that for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suedehead
Edit: Aren't you still pretty young,...did u say 19? I don't know if I read that or just thought... It seems like it is something you grow into anyway.
I thought SEI fwiw although I think it's interesting you're more deadpan and un-emotive than really anyone I know, let alone SEIs. Which is why I asked what I asked.
I see nothing wrong with the SEI typing, Si subtype. Definitely merry vs serious. XiFe. You mentioned difficutly with creating your own theories and such, NiFe are pretty good darned at this. (They have an abstract base and hidden agenda.)
Judicious rather than decisive. A kind of laid back sort of mode.
On a personal note, you have a similar feel as my bf, though he doesn't talk as much as you did in the video. But he is as "deadpan and unemotive" as you were, in public. With a more easy smile and joking demeanor with those close to him. I actually didn't see you as deadpan and unemotive, but as Radio said, and some people might judge it as that. I see it as a softer, more internal feel of a person, and it's something that draws me in to want to get to know them more. (Am not hitting on you!) this was one of the things that drew me to richard (my bf). He doesn't emote all over the place, and doesn't particularly wear his heart on his sleeve. But the emotions are definitely there. You two have a soothing kind of feel for me, rather than the intensity of IEIs.
I would go into more details if i had the written words to quote, but neither of us wants to transcribe 15 min of video, heh.
Good luck in your type search, and your time on this forum. :)
While I don't mean to oppose IEI typing as such, cause in the end what matters is for you to identify with the type and not for others to view you one way or another... I have to say that what @Aylen wrote in post #4 is not strictly "reserved" for IEIs... 80-90% is true of me, too and I'm SEI-Si.
There's this stereotype that if you love cooking and cleaning the house you're SEI (well - then I'm not SEI if this is the condition :P) and if you're deep and imaginative - you're IEI. But it is just that - a stereotype.
Funnily enough the eyes were what made me think "not IEI", lol - so I guess it's subjective. I was in a video chat some time ago and people typed me IEI from VI (which I'm not), so... what I'm trying to say is that it's not that easy to type from VI. I actually thought you have eyes in a similar shape to mine (kind of almond shaped) - so there you go - we're all somehow biased in our perception.
Don't buy into what we all say, if you feel closer to IEI, SEI or ESI - then read more about it and maybe it is your type. Sure, if everyone said you VI like a IEE, I'd reconsider self-typing's accuracy - but it's not the case here and the types in question (from your previous posts/threads) are all artistic, "deep", imaginative and introverted (even though the stereotypes say IEI-dreamer, SEI-cook, ESI-musician)... just felt like sharing this ;)
oh, and P.S.
Damn, you're slow.
@Suedehead the above is also sth that caught my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
IEIs are better than SEIs in creating theories (some of the theories are strikingly accurate when applied to real life and some are strikingly unrealistic/paranoid). But one thing for sure - they can really build theories. I already mentioned it here so I guess I'm going in circles repeating myself, lol :PQuote:
NiFe are pretty good darned at this. (They have an abstract base and hidden agenda.)
I tend to think you´re not Gamma SF. However you have a strange combo of softness, dreaminess and intensity which also makes me wonder about the Beta Quadra. Or are you Sx/sp as stack by any chance. ("love is cherishing someone to the point of obsession" huh). All I can say is that you don´t resemble any SEIs I know ... physically (as features and body language), or behaviorally. I may not know too many SEIs though ... just saying. Have you looked into EII maybe? Or you don´t resonate with Delta NF values as all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suedehead
The bolded is what doesn't entirely resonate with SEI.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshSun
The quoted part is intense and what I heard from an IEI male in the past. But regarding body language the IEI was more expressive (although that was IEI-Fe, I guess IEI-Ni would be less expressive) and the body speech in OP resembles mine (@Suedehead is a bit more static than me, but only a bit).
The EII female I know well is more static than me and the more concise writing style (comparing Suedehead to other SEIs here (not neccessesarily just to myself as I'm a terrible online blabber) would make sense for EII. The shape of face would also be similar to EIIs I've met irl (chin).
But this is speculation based largely on VI.
Then again - when posting the video - speculation was what you were looking for, right Suedehead? ;)
My current guess would be SEI-SI or EII-Fi > IEI-Ni > ESI-Fi.
P.S. I think EII stereotypes are also just stereotypes. I don't think all EIIs lack contact with reality and just "sit on unicorns" as I've sometimes seen implied in this forum. ;)
One thing to ask is what he meant by obsession. I was under the impression that that was the closest word he could think of to describe what he was thinking of, but that he wasn't fully satisfied with it.
I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that he was trying to imply some kind of bondedness. Not a half assed one, but that he puts his whole self into the relationship. Later he even talks of it would be just his significant other and his hobbies, that he didn't need anything else. (Something to that effect.) Which isn't too surprising coming from an SEI.
He didn't have that 'we'd be a team and we're going to rule the world together' kind of intensity to when he was describing his desired relationship. But something more comfortable, homely.
Not that I like doing a bunch of personal comparisons, but Richard (SiFe) is the most comfortably attentive bf I have ever had. I've never had to worry about him turning his sights on to another girl. He's never hit my jealousy triggers, and rarely my insecurity triggers (never on purpose and usually just my neurotic Ne e6 gone wild). He's a homebody who is quite happy and satisfied with having me and his few hobbies. I've often joked on this forum that our relationship is like an obsession. I am more distant though, and my wanderlust has nearly interferred a couple of times. I've always had a difficulty putting so much of my self into a relationship. But considering how neurotic i was when we met, his steadfastness in his feelings and attentions to me have helped tame a lot of that.
My SiFe step-brother is similar towards his gf. And this from a kid who'd been severely abused and chemically damaged. He had a hard time with work and friendships until he got a gf, and she got pregnant. As soon as he found out she was pregnant, he got a steady job, a steady home for her and his kid, and is an attentive father and husband. It was like a total turn-around that surprised everyone. Duty never worked on him, but love and devotion did.
(Richard would have been an awesome father, but thankfully he didn't want any kids of his own and was happy to help me while i helped my one.)
As for the physical features and body language, i didn't see the OP's as being unsual to SiFe. Particularly SiFe males.
I'm some sort of middle ground between the ISFp's (stereotypical) earthiness and internal mildness, and the INFp's intensity/yearning, pretty much. I basically alternate between the two attitudes depending on my mood.
In what types of things/situations are you intense/grandiose?
Intensity is mainly something that I experience internally...through fantasy and daydreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
now Im clearly speaking for myself replying to a question directed at smn else :P but my answer would be - "in my head" lol.. and it's pretty much the vibe I got from the things @Suedehead was writing (tbh when I think of the two IEIs I knew well irl - none of them would have admitted out loud to feeling "grandiose" - but it was sometimes becoming a bit transparent in their behaviour at certain situations. Obviously Idk if all IEIs would act the same though).Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
edit: judging by the above post, I wasn't too far off with my interpretation ...was I? ;)
Not that I am trying to push you towards a type, but I still don't see that contradicting SiFe. Though i guess it might depend on the kinds of things you daydream and fantasize about. If you were to say something along the lines of how you intensely study a couple of subjects and how you have some (grandiose) scheme of how together they answer life, the universe, and everything...that would be a different story.
hmm.. from my observations, slight preferences:
IEI: mystery of life and "image" of love > real life love
SEI: real life love > mystery of life and "image" of love
but both types are interested in both mystery of life and "image" of love AND real life love
What do you think?
:( i dunno...i haven't been able to get any of the XiFe to tell me about their fantasies and daydreams. Every once in a while richard will let some hint out, but when i ask him about it it's like it all went poof as soon as words were spoken. So i sit here, waiting for those little crumbs. :lol:
Heh, I wouldn't say deadpan or unemotional. You're obviously not gushy, but micro expressions are more exagerated than I normally see in males. There's the pronouncement of expresions which is very very short but very visible. Look at eyemovement when you think, the small cues of "softening" or "expressing doubt".
I would say the intensity thing would be bascially apply too all introverted ethicals so no help as for SEI v.s. IEI there. FWIW, I don't see IEI, with them I always asume their going to break and than find out they're a lot tougher (and sometimes even crueler) than they appear. You seem to radiate genuine earthy "stability" in a way that says "i'm deep, but it's not break the shell and fall into an emotional abyss".
I have troubles identifying SEI's so not saying you are one but I'd go for SEI > IEI.
ESI's kinda always have a vibe with me that says "I have to babysit you but i'd rather go and be with my friends, I'll tolerate you because I have to but I'll be strict to make sure you're not enjoying this too much". I don't get that from you either. So SEI > ESI too.
EII could be too, I'm not overwhelmed by the sensing cues, nor do I see obvious indicators of Intuition.
My general idea would be either SEI or EII, do you have strong preferences for rationality or irrationality?
As a disclaimer; i'm not a typology expert, maybe ask @hkkmr @silke @consentingadult @Kim @woofwoofl for their insights, they've earned the notches in their belts. Also, if you're a SEI hkkmr is going to turn you into a female and date the shit out of you! (shit, why didn't I think of that!?)
Oh, Oh, apparently i'm ILE so based on how mystifying my communication style is to you you could make some guesses towards being SEI or not :-)
oh oh oh oh!
Alpha Quadra questionaire:
Boardgames, hot or not!?
The prospect of strip-twister excites you or disgusts you (ok ok, not sure this is alpha at all, but its something I ask people)
How do you feel about career tigers and paper pushers (this is ofc a totally non-laden question without biass ;-) )
You organise a party, would you rather have fancy food and perfectly decorated table or a lot of (still nice but not as fancy) food and foodfights?
In highschool you were a (cross what doesn't apply) Nerd, Emo, Geek, Jock, Relifreak, Artgeek, Swimclub-member, soccer/football fanatic/player, Carjock, Criminal?
In highschool were you eaten or did you eat?
You go to a social event, it's networking; cheap wine, small snacks, terrible music and a lot of business talk, what do you do (you can change the premises as much as you like).
Your gf/bf watches anime, plays computergames, reads fantasy novels and has small round glasses. Aside from the last thing (which is obviously hot) would this bother you?
Would you work for the money even if it was completely and utterly boring or in an environment that required a lot of change in you (as in, prentence)
If not, how much money would it take to get you to do this for a year?
Do you have plans for taking over the world by cheer tactical genious, and/or do you want a partner who has such ambitions? (no, this is not beta, this is Alpha!)
In your beta NF fantasies (and come-on, who doesn't have beta nf fantasies!) do you think this would be awesome for occasions or do you wish for full-blown 50shades of gray squared2 style of romance?
In the above fantasies, do you want to be raped? (if yes, you're IEI ;-) )
if you'd had to chose a sport from the following: Soccer/football, badminton duals, paragliding, fencing, chess what would it be?
Which type is coolest (which one would you be if you could pick one from behind the veil of ignorance?) ((mine is IEE))
Your sister in law asks you in february what your plans are in december (trying to book you for the boring christmas party at their place) what is your reaction?
A friend calls you at 22.28 and asks you if you're coming to the city to go out. It's only a 20 minute trip and the shit starts around 23.00 anyway. You are in your pyama's though, unshaven and most of your clothing is dirty. How and at what time do you show up, if at all?
How often do you have to reschedule appointments due to double booking and or stupid planning? How long ahead is your agenda filled? If the agenda is filled all the way, how much of it is filled with silly drawings and/or portraits of attractive people from the opposite sex?
How often do you catch yourself humming to yourself in public? How often do others notice? How often do you bump into people because you're not looking through your eyes but through your dick err third eye? (this is the question that determines wether you're sensing or intuitive ;-) )
Do people think you're crazy? If so, do you think this is because the world is crazy or are they right? if people don't think you're crazy, pretend they are thinking you are crazy. If you can't do this you're not beta nf.
that's it for now :D
Microexpressions, that's the word. Thanks @Reficulris.
Agree with @lungs about IP temperament. You appear to me to be a caregiver rather than a victim, so I would narrow your typing down to SEI or SLI. You spoke of appreciating inspiration from a partner, which would be an ILE or IEE dual. At the end of your video you mentioned that you could not make judgements about society, but rather the individuals that make up society. Which struck me as democratic rather than aristocratic, which would indicate SEI.
Don't know if this helps or is a "crumb" you were looking for... but for what it's worth I think it's most important for a SEI to feel totally accepted when sharing our ideals (even if sometimes impractical). There's this fear of pouring one's soul out and being labeled as overly emotional, pointless dreamer etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
I can only imagine that it could be even more difficult for a male SEI to share his soul, cause males aren't socially expected to have such romantic notions and ideas... (?)
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Originally Posted by Reficulris
@aisa, thanks.
I immagine you chuckling quietly while filling in that questionaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suedehead
I think you're alpha, so SEI. Based on your answers as well as the fact that you actually took the time to fill it in. Beta's would go "huh?" Gamma's would post something like "grow up" and Delta's, well delta's might fill it in, but be more serious about it and give me probably reasons why the questionare is flawed. (just my stereotyping them ofc).
I also see irrational in the answers which would indicate SEI > EII. As ESI was already out imho that leaves SEI :D
As for romance style, beta nf fantasies... I don't really think those are quadra related, or solely quadra related. I've read and enjoyed 50s, and while it's undoubtely beta inspired the fact that's has a audience of I don't know, milions of women (and some men too) indicates that its probably not just beta that enjoys a good polarity, dominance v.s. submission, passion to the point of obsession etc. I mean, those things are basically hard-wired or maybe socially encoded in our views on romance!
As ILE I must admid that based purely on romance style i'd probably fit the IEI stereotype with occasional SLE ness and an overall sauze of caregiving ILE. Which basically means that my fantasies are more vivid, passionate and polerized than i'd be able to keep up in my actual relations.
+10 to that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
and I just couldn't help myself... :)
edit: I've just read @Suedehead's answers. SEI :)
basically my answers could be almost the same if I weren't in this energised "let's joke around" mode when filling it in. (I'm in general in this mood a lot lately - even my husband pointed this out I think 2 days ago ;))
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DISCLAIMER: obviously smn hacked my account.:mad: I'm a serious SEI, so obviously I don't have time to waste on some silly questionnaires when I've only just finished washing the dishes, have to walk the dog, clean the windows and carpets, dust the shelves, do the laundry, cook dinner for 40 guests, sort the clothing into colours and shapes and fold the socks, iron the underwear... oh dear, oh dear I better get going cause I still need go fetch the newspaper and slippers for my... master.
...and let's not forget I still need to frizz up my hair and jump into a fancy dress and a fur coat and hat.
Pfft :P
Yeah, I didn't quote for the same reasons. Feel free to PM me anytime if you want to chat about sth similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
I love how you described your relationship - it sounds really full of mutual respect and care...basically "awww" :)
Lol, yeah, we get "awww"'d a lot heheh (we even "awww" each other)
Btw, regarding your spoiler, it wont open if there is a symbol in the title. Such as ! , :) and '
Ha, I wonder if it's my Social-lastish energy that's throwing some people off, since the stereotypical SEI seems more Sp/So or So/Sx. I otherwise match the description pretty well.
@anndelise
Basically. Good read. :)Quote:
One thing to ask is what he meant by obsession. I was under the impression that that was the closest word he could think of to describe what he was thinking of, but that he wasn't fully satisfied with it.
I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that he was trying to imply some kind of bondedness. Not a half assed one, but that he puts his whole self into the relationship. Later he even talks of it would be just his significant other and his hobbies, that he didn't need anything else. (Something to that effect.) Which isn't too surprising coming from an SEI.
He didn't have that 'we'd be a team and we're going to rule the world together' kind of intensity to when he was describing his desired relationship. But something more comfortable, homely.
Imho the stereotypical SEI is SEI-Fe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Suedehead
I've heard from more than one person that when they didn't know me too well they thought I'm "cold".
With people closest to me I act similar to SEI-Fe with regard to extraverting some emotions but that's about it.
I sometimes tried to act more SEI-Fe or ESEish in general settings, but over long haul it feels forced and is draining. In high school I operated in this mode during the day to have some fun with friends - and every day I just crashed for at least an hour just to lay on the bed and recharge in solitude after all the daily interaction (back then I had no idea why).
Not sure if it's related to stackings, but I'm most likely sp last and feel sx/so makes most sense to me. I feel much better alone than in a crowd and can spend days alone and be more ok with it than with not having alone time (it would make so first kind of sensless). Probably sx/so... just because I don't think I could be a hermit... ;)
Scored a perfect 10 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aisa
Highlights to me were:
- where you found the "10 months prior invitation" and responded like I did when this happened to me!
- where you admitted that beta's are cool (not as cool as alpha's though ;-) )
- where you proposed to switch the statue of liberty with a gummy bear!!!! (@TheWholeEnglish: we have found the evil mastermind behind the gummy-bear explosion! We need to take decisive action now or human kind will be irradicated! Commense GummyBearFest dangerlevel10 eating operations!)
All n all both you and @suadehead performed miracles on this edition of the Annual Alpha Examn! Your round spectacles award will be shipped to you shortly!
lol @Reficulris, and now I'm gonna have to debate on whether to delete it and let people think you're insane for quoting sth I most obviously never said...XD or let it be and leave a crack on the "cold" SEI image I so hard try to keep up... decisions... decisions... :P
or you could edit it so it looked like you were totally gamma and make this even wierder :DQuote:
Originally Posted by aisa
hahahah, yeah! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
P.S. 4:40 looks like super-ego or conflict relations to me... :P
If I have to go by this one video (which in itself is not valid), I would say: where is the creative Fe? Where is the Mobilizing Ti?
I would like to see a video of Suedehead where he interacts with a good friend instead of a web cam or question list, and see how his creative function manifests itself. Until then, I'm going to put my chips on SLI>LSI.
What does creative Fe look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by consentingadult