New member salutations + request for typing

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1st impression from pics, regardless of your suggested types : I don´t really see Fe, but Fi.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Greetings, I'm new to the forum and to Socionics. After some rumination over the types I feel quite firmly that I am a Ni ego, however I'm not quite sure which type fits best. I'm not an ENFj EIE -- that much is certain and I'm definitely not an Alpha nor a Delta type. Based on descriptions Ni-ILI or Ni-IEI seem to be the best fits.

As opposed to providing a long overwrought spiel enumerating the whys and why-nots of my potential type, I'd like to hear some first impressions based upon VI and some samples of my overblown art and writing :)

Any questions that you would like me to answer in order to solidify an impression into a firm judgement are welcome.

Cheers,

- M

Recent writing samples:

A pious man once woke, aroused by dawn,
and preached a holy word to sufferers,
That: “life is sick and truth is found beyond.”
That’s what he told himself and preached t’others.

A Truth that spread a faith of gloom’s fatigue
Indeed, not finding worldly urges come.
They seek to quell these surges, seen as plague,
Instead divine reward: who may succumb.

This pious man’s spayed truth that lacks in seed.
Mere strokes of his wilted morning’s glory
A limp revenge made holy heaven creed,
fed starved masses: a lie’s well worn story.

All told this sickly pietous mockery,
In truth, desire made blind by crockery.

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While walking aimless through my seashore mind,
I found a coin called Truth, the will to know.
Each side in mint were morals grim divine,
A faith in opposites called: Yes and No.

With unbiased reason as their prayer,
This faith was born from judicious prophets.
They sifted good from evil, truth from err;
But no more than prejudice made profit.

We feel on solid grounds that virtue grows,
At home with truthful, selfless, and pure deeds;
Yet why not grasp Yes and No unopposed,
Perhaps on indiff’rent immoral seas?

“A sin indeed! No moral currency?”
A faceless coin, tossed with a flippancy.

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Welcome, McBain!

Very nice poems!

My first rather strong impression is IEI. And my first impressions are very often right, though, not always.

I am particularly interested in IEI types because I am often praying that my son marries one someday (he is SLE). (Because I want him to happily experience Duality). You would think I would understand the IEI/INFp type since we share so many MBTI "letters" (INFP/ENFP, but, as you can see in Socionics Model A, there really is a very different outlook/emphasis for those two types.

But then I just saw this thread: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-IEI-portraits Wow! I never heard that about IEI males, and I don't know any IRL like that, that I can think of. So what do you think? Do you see yourself possibly ever living as any of these worse-case portraits of IEI males??? Or, do you think you might not ever get to that, for some reason (and what reason)? Perhaps a solid moral formation in childhood? That would, I think, relate to what @Pookie implies in #2 of that thread - perhaps you had the benefit of being "forced to develop ethically". :)

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Originally Posted by McBain

To hone in a bit: Would this impression of Fi reside in the Gamma or Delta quadrants? -- or is more information needed?

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by hunch VI it could be Delta as well. You just don´t strike me as Fe ego.

i do not see N

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Originally Posted by McBain

Alright then, what do you see and what don't you see to come to that conclusion?

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first, in socioninics unlike mbti, the poets are not iei, and because you can write one doesn't make you an N type as every type can talk and write. so, that aside, i think you're a S type.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Was I justifying my type suggestions based upon the poetry I posted? Hardly. Please continue...

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ok then are you an extravert or an introvert?

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Originally Posted by McBain

Was I justifying my type suggestions based upon the poetry I posted? Hardly. Please continue...

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what makes you think you´re Ni ego in the first place? also how come you ´re caught between Te and Fe ...what confuses you exactly in your attempt at your self-typing?

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Originally Posted by McBain

Introvert.

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are you sarcastic to the pint of unknowingly hurting ppl's emotion?

which introversion do you have....Ni ( the one where you see the activity or event of something unfold in a long run scenario); Si (the one where the sense of an object like chocolate as an example soaks in your mind and it takes an inner world of sensation and dreaming); Fi (feelings about things get in and universes are made from which you come up with systems and judge the external by them); or Ti ( systems of thought are derived and thinking is emphasized on a topic to it's depth where systems are made)

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Originally Posted by McBain

I generally know how my sarcasm comes off and what its intended effect is for. The above examples should suffice. :)



Like what predominates? Introverted Intuition.

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have you read the bible?

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Originally Posted by McBain

Good questions, I ask forgiveness for my limited Socionics knowledge in conveying my reasons :)

I believe that I am an Ni ego because of the deeply held resonance felt with every Ni-Se description I've ever read -- with Ni, seeing processes unfold over large swathes of time in a sort of alchemical cosmic mental-conceptual flux. My imagination is extremely well developed and it really is the backbone of my thought processes -- I literally travel internal landscapes of thought and feeling. With each insight or knowledge gained this dynamic image deepens in complexity, yet simplifies on the surface in its forms. Now regarding Se, my reasons for say not being a extraverted sensing ego type relates to descriptions given by said types i.e. how attuned and engaged they are to their external world -- sensing the world around them. This is more a question of degree then anything else, however when I am engaged with my senses in a sort "flow" experience descriptions by extraverted sensors resonate a great deal.

So assuming that I'm not mistaken, even though I perhaps may not have given enough information regarding Ni-Se, I do feel quite firmly in being a Ni ego at the very least. However, INTp sounds way to socially oblivious to me. It is most definitely at the Te-Fi and Fe-Ti divide where things become hazy -- at once I feel quite aware of the impact I have upon my social emotional environment, as well as appear extremely skeptical of the realm of empirical facts in favor of a more internal ordering of thoughts; at other times it sways in the opposite direction and I ignore, especially in my philosophy courses, the internal subjective methods of logic -- in favor of a more grounded understanding of the activity of the world as it is.

I feel that I tend towards one side and then the other in different contexts. Perhaps this is just a misunderstanding of the definitions of the functions.

I appreciate the questions -- let me know what you think or if clarification is needed.

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oh man..you're going to get ripped to shreds with this introduction ^^

I actually DO see you as Intuitive type. But take others oppinion before mine since i'm really not that great at typing.

Your postingstyle doesn't scream Fe or Fi
I'd go for NiTe...

An IEI would paint a "different" landscape about the same stuff you're talking about. There's not too much colour, more or less a sketch of reality. I always envision IEI's to have more dreamy, aquarell mindscapes :P

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Originally Posted by McBain

I have indeed.

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good. Ni being a function of "prophecy", but one that, " synthesizes developments as building blocks leading to something interesting that could happen, tries to envision how and when it could happen. Ni is about development between patterns of events over time. Ni thinks "learning a language is good to reach because of the places it will bring you to." About the outcome, Ni says "that was bound to develop in that success/failure." Ni will absorb information to add them as building blocks to come to some "essence" of the ideas they're developing. Ni takes a bunch of different instances and synthesizes them together to develop them in one direction of potential development."


now which prophets in the bible do Ni?

and a scenario....

you say you're Fe Ni you observe a person's emotions...am I trustworthy?

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Originally Posted by McBain

at once I feel quite aware of the impact I have upon my social emotional environment, as well as appear extremely skeptical of the realm of empirical facts in favor of a more internal ordering of thoughts; at other times it sways in the opposite direction and I ignore, especially in my philosophy courses, the internal subjective methods of logic -- in favor of a more grounded understanding of the activity of the world as it is.

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Nothing about this says not iei.
IEI seek to understand, but they still desire some concreteness to that understanding. There is a difference between internal subject methods of logic when it is combined with N vs when it is combined with S. The S helps ground those subjective methods via a more concrete reality. While with N it can just go on and on, even into the bizarre.

To me, what you described is a conflict between being skeptical of Te, but just as skeptical of alpha's version of Ti.

And, I notice that when it comes to well read or intelligent IEI, they are often relabeled as being an NT, particularly if they are males. But, in fairness, my prejudices on this might be showing through here. My brother is artistic and a creative writer, with a romantic yet harsher edge to it. (Poe was his favorite poet.) But he also had a strong desire to understand, for example socionics. But it just wasn't grounded enough for his more behaviorist and biologist background. So he would spend much time and effort trying to interpret socionics from that background. Unfortunately, few people understood him and his efforts, and in trying to communicate more clearly he lost his poeticness of writing towards a negative cycle of trying to be more precise. Ultimately he left the forum, and socionics, partly because it just wasn't empirical enough for him.

Anyways, my point is that what you've written doesn't say not iei. But neither am i trying to place a label on you.

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Originally Posted by McBain

You don't seem untrustworthy in the sense of whether or not you are a decent person, quite the contrary. I doubt there is an overtly aggressive bone in your body.

I read the book a few times while in high school. I quite enjoyed the Book of Job, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon and Revelation -- easily my favorite. I'd have to do a more thorough read through regarding your specific typing of prophets as it's been quite some time since I last picked it up.

So what's your guess on type?

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What do you suppose that a negativist would respond to my question?

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Originally Posted by McBain

A negativist? Perhaps like this: "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU FUCKING STALKING MY FEED FOR!!!!!!! I can't find a way not to find you -- but not "you" -- untrustless, yet I can't decide...no...what stupid question...I CAN'T TRUST ANYNONE -- nobody, nothing....ne...verrrrr" ;)

Assuming you mean the "trust" question -- probably in the way I already stated.

Also what S type were you leaning towards?

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How were you able to determine this? "You don't seem untrustworthy in the sense of whether or not you are a decent person, quite the contrary. I doubt there is an overtly aggressive bone in your body."

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Originally Posted by McBain

In general: intuitive gut feeling.

In terms of your posited decency: experience with other INFjs; you look like a softy in your avatar; general cues of reserve and politeness; your "like" in sympathy of a previous poster whom I gave a sarcastic remark to (either that or a simple affinity with her or the good-natured yet highly blinkered views she espouses).

Regarding your lack of overt aggression: the context of Internet anonymity as well as the above make for an easy judgement whether or not you'll be someone to fear and INFjs are generally just decent and that's it -- barring a number of qualifications.

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Without testing me in any way to determine any of my qualities that may not be apparent (as you tend to focus on all apparent qualities). You've determined my character quite accurately. However, this also means you're not a Negativist type. Of the positivists, you are left with Fe ego ESE and Se ego SEE. That which you call "intuition" or "gut feeling" is only coming from real observations and real data and isn't a feeling at all...it's an accumulation of experiences.

I'm debating which one to confirm and finalize.

What do you think?

-Fe = minimization or avoidance of negative emotions, prevention of quarrels, scandals, and other situations causing emotional instability, which is valued as more important than creation of positive emotional effect.

+Se = durability and resistance. This quadra is well capable of defending itself and its position. For them power is not easy to acquire, as to do this they must resist the volitional Beta quadra. However, once it is seized, they can hold on to it despite all attempts at restoration. Protectiveness, ability to defend themselves against all force, ability to keep that which was acquired - these are the principles that they respect. This quadra can be called the quadra of criticism and reforms. In contrast to the 'fire' Beta quadra, which is oriented primarily politically, this quadra is oriented more socially.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Depends. I would say at the height of health -- as a sort of ideal -- I could imagine being an SEE. However, the brooding byronic loner is really what I know best.

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Being a "loner" or "social" is not an indication of introversion in socionics as functions are related to interaction with the world in different ways. One can be a loner and play video games all day and be either an E or I. One can be I and be very social and E and anti social. Objects of E types don't have to be people, they can be shinny objects like cars or other toys.

An SEE can have no friends but love trinkets; the same type may have lots of friends and dislike clutter; the same type may have a few friends but love all kinds of bright colored clothes...examples.

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Originally Posted by McBain

So do you feel me as being a supervisor in your eyes?

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The way my supervision works is that if and only if the SEE is dead set on wanting to be accepted as a certain type and is brought proof that they may not be but that they want to hold a certain social significance anyway, they can go to great lengths to trample me by foot. :)

We'll wait and see. Thus far you're sort of "huh, your conclusions are interesting but not enough to change my mind even though I hardly know about socionics and all the other functions or how they relate with society and everyone else."

This can be interpreted in many ways...

Once that you may be a Static type in which case your impression of something is made up but isn't capable of being changed easily.
Two that you're still waiting on more info.
Other possible scenarios.

You get my Ne ;)

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Originally Posted by McBain

No, I'm pretty open to new points of view. I at least take Se-SEE as a plausible type now and I'd be cool with being that type for sure. I just need more information is all and to rethink some of my previous relationships that I've used in the past to justify my inclinations toward being an Ni-dom. Thanks for your perspective!

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do you have more pictures of you?

You're welcome

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Originally Posted by McBain

No, I'm pretty open to new points of view. I at least take Se-SEE as a plausible type now and I'd be cool with being that type for sure. I just need more information is all and to rethink some of my previous relationships that I've used in the past to justify my inclinations toward being an Ni-dom. Thanks for your perspective!

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don´t have time now for reading all that´s new in the thread, but I wanted to say that from pics you look a bit like a SEE I knew well. Maybe that´s what made me go for Fi immediately, without considering the rest.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

How were you able to determine this? "You don't seem untrustworthy in the sense of whether or not you are a decent person, quite the contrary. I doubt there is an overtly aggressive bone in your body."

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that could signal Se-seeking or Se ego" . will come back to it

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Originally Posted by McBain

I will say that my first inclination was to verbally excoriate her -- I thought she was some bible thumper who was trying to get me into a theological "debate"...Then I was like, "nah she's a puddy tat."

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I do think you underestimate Maritsa's potential for violence and or agression. She's well known on the forum which basically means she has to have a certain amount of tooth and claw.

So, i'm questioning your abilty to acurately judge character, how does that make you feel/what do you think about that? (and please tell me which of the two you chose and why).

What do you think of passionate and socially unacceptable sex? (@woofwoofl is my anchor to knowing if someone is SEE, or at least if they're awesome SEE's, I call it the woofl-standard which is basically like the attractiveness scale (from one to 10) but than more about character!) ^^

@woofwoofl Since Refi's mention didn't work.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Do you mean physical violence? Have you ever been in a fight? I once made a grown man cry once -- and I only threw one punch -- the rest was me berating him for his lack of morals -- he was sobbing like a little girl for 20 minutes. I'm not afraid of anyone -- INFjs are sensitive, but they don't intimidate me. Does she intimidate you?

Is this some roundabout way of saying you want to have sex with me?

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Yeah, i guess i have been, most of them "not real"" though (m.a. training). I don't really invite agression both by being tall and kinda looming and by usually just touching the line but never crossing it. However, you managed to dodge all questions and instead told me something about yourself which was related but not. Interesting :)

Everything on this forum can be, and should be construed as a roundabout (or not so roundabout) way of saying I want sex with you! This forum exists to telegraph my sexuality and it's direction towards you!

Seriously though, sometimes being scared isn't a fault, being couragious isn't about not being afraid, its about facing your fears /deltaquote

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Originally Posted by McBain

Do you mean physical violence? Have you ever been in a fight? I once made a grown man cry once -- and I only threw one punch -- the rest was me berating him for his lack of morals -- he was sobbing like a little girl for 20 minutes. I'm not afraid of anyone -- INFjs are sensitive, but they don't intimidate me. Does she intimidate you?

Is this some roundabout way of saying you want to have sex with me?

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if you were serious about that ... Fi is the grand berating agent in someone´s make-up. I actually think you´re more likely to be a Gamma SF than a NT. Not sure about IEI , you don´t fit the standards I hold them up to lol. It could be because you´ve been encouraged to tone down Fe faced with some gender pressure. What´s your Enneagram btw , E4 cause your poetry is your life and soul or smth else.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Well, I was just hoping you would admit that, garsh :)

You're looking at the wrong information and not getting what you want -- I gave an answer to all of your questions. Out of experience and on first impression -- Maritsa is not to be feared when it comes to violence and aggression. To clarify, if your first question is solely referring to the case of Maritsa: there is nothing about Maritsa that I fear, perhaps what you fear and I fear are different -- and your second question: I want everybody's sex, including yours pumpkin :P

If this doesn't float your boat, let's see: 1) In some cases perhaps I'm a good judge of people, in others not. If the question is a more general one: whether or not you yourself call into question my facility in judging other people's characters doesn't really make much difference to me. 2) passionate and social misfit sex is good, grand, awesome.

The appropriate response to fear depends upon the context -- fearing people willy nilly is pointless and sometimes leads to prejudice -- that is unless the circumstances call in that moment for you to be fearful for whatever reason or for whoever may be involved, and in many cases facing your fears can be, instead of courageous, reckless. There is a thin line between the two. I fear certain contexts, like Holocausts leading people to do insane murderous shit -- however, I do not fear the people who may be involved in them -- if that distinction makes sense. In the case of fights, fear can create far too much adrenaline -- leading you to do stupid shit and to overexert yourself -- as a martial artist you'd know that it's all about being calm and collected.

I agree with that Delta quote for the most part, so don't get me wrong.

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yeah, i'm terrified of @Maritsa! If she'd ever pair up with @Saberstorm we'll have one genuine inquisition style purge of all that is wierd, abject or deviant on this forum (which, btw would probably mean 95% of the forum gets purged, thank god we have @hkkmr as moderator ;-) )

Fear does flood ones system with adraniline, and fight flight or freeze is a stupidedly non-usefull way of dealing with most stressors. That said, I'm fairfull generally :) mostly of sensible things like jumping out of airplanes and all the other wierd stuff we nowadays do as entertainment!

I was merely trying to rattle your cages so to say, seeing what's behind that calm and collected writingstyle. Alas, you react as a patient older brother would; slightly amused and a little bit patronizing ;-) Most SEE's do react that way to me, but they communicate a little bit less formulized and exact as you do. Not sure, still leaning LIE or something like that.

As unfortunately my Martial Arts degrees involve Krav Maga (or 'kill em dead effectively") and Capoeira (or "jump around looking silly", netting me the nickname "el giraffe" because i'm not muscular enough and too tall not to make everything look silly) I still have to find the inner calm you speak of ;-)

And: Sex Yeah!! Join the "no clothes club"!

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yeah, i'm terrified of @Maritsa! If she'd ever pair up with @Saberstorm we'll have one genuine inquisition style purge of all that is wierd, abject or deviant on this forum (which, btw would probably mean 95% of the forum gets purged, thank god we have @hkkmr as moderator ;-) )

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wha? who? who needs to be burned... :agent:

YOU'RE NOT SEE, DON'T LISTEN TO THESE CLOWNS!

Intuitive feeler is certain. Leaning toward Beta for you, but Delta is also a possibility.

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wha? who? who needs to be burned... :agent:

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lol

It's "supervision" hoax again.

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Originally Posted by AshSun

that could signal Se-seeking or Se ego" . will come back to it

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Se seeking would be more like stating something of a personal nature and inviting an Se type to give them direction...for instance

"I don't know whether I should go swimming."

In which case, if there's an Se around they will say something in the nature of "why wouldn't you" or "get up and do it" or "do what feels best to you"

All of these mean..."find the will within yourself" "learn to understand the will within you" "mobilize for action" Those are Se.

Compare that to my response

"I think you should [provided judgement] do something that's healthy for you [from my HA]." :)

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Originally Posted by McBain

Sorry, the nudes will have to wait -- rest assured: one day I'll post them. :P

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Preferably 8x10 glossy, wearing black socks, a pink, feather boa and a smile.

*hates black socks*

:lol:

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Originally Posted by McBain

It could be a question of masks, too. Here on the forum I could be perceived as more extroverted than I may be in my daily life. Or I could be projecting a more extroverted image because that's how I learned how to express myself through writing.

I've gotten the extrovert label recently though, it's just weird is all. All a question of differing definitions too.

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I feel ya... The way you express yourself is similar to the way I express myself. I have a few votes for me being SEI-ish but I have my own type, S-E-X. that stands for...

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Me said: I feel I can be IEI or SEI equally.

I have created my own type. I am S.E.X.

Socially - Exploring - Xenomancer

http://www.occultopedia.com/x/xenomancy.htm

Ya think it will make the cut?

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@Johannes Bloem

Back me up, bro! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Ok, I'm done, let's get serious again. :indifferent2:

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Okay, so in other words: my Sunday's best. No problem.

And I don't smile...I snarl:


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GRRR, ARF! One dog, one bone.

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/25.gif

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGBUaTEvKk

That song wore me out.. *collapses*

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Originally Posted by McBain

That's pretty spot on for IEIs -- how bout for Se doms?


Sensually -- Explosive -- XenaWarriorPrincesses?

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It's your world baby, I just live in it! :P

:hyper:<-- too much coffee.

^ :lol:

Hate to challenge that chicken to a dance off.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Se seeking would be more like stating something of a personal nature and inviting an Se type to give them direction...for instance

"I don't know whether I should go swimming."

In which case, if there's an Se around they will say something in the nature of "why wouldn't you" or "get up and do it" or "do what feels best to you"

All of these mean..."find the will within yourself" "learn to understand the will within you" "mobilize for action" Those are Se.

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I meant assessment of aggression potential. Se - seeking is very interested in that (attentive to it) and if a person doesn´t display Se, it can seem disappointing, especially in romantically-tinged interactions. I think your picture of Se-seeking is more like a caricature ... after all remember 2 kinds of "victim types" have been spotted , one looks submissive and lost, the other arrogant and challenging, even aggressive ;). I think people can be quite "sensitive" and fastidious about their dual-seeking function(s) ... it´s like some hidden sensor always on.

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Back to seriousness and gorgeosity -- as a xenomancer, what have you divined from this strange encounter so far or is it still cooking?

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The past, a wandering minstrel, has made some sacrifice for something important

The present. enjoying life and the sensual pleasures, seeking adventure, or at least relief from boredom

The future, an inspiration to others, by example.

No you can't have your money back! :p

Edit: In my mind I really did see a "wandering minstrel" when I read your first post.

Oh and you're going to meet your dual, whatever that means, but the spirits (in my head) told me to tell you. :biggrin:

It would help if I could VI you and you flailed around a lot. :lol:

@McBain I'm not going to pretend that I've read all previous posts, neither am I a VI expert, but I'll throw in my guess anyway on an odd chance you agree or disagree with it and it makes anything in self-typing easier to you.
You don't strike me visually as an IEI at all. I just don't see Fe in your facial expressions and IEIs have quite specific eyes, probably their most distinctive feature imho. Also the IEI artworks that I saw irl were very different.

For some reason you VI as ILI to me (you have visually sth strongly in common with the ones I know regarding the shape of the face, eyes, the look in your eyes, smile, I can't quite put my finger on it, but I guess I see Fi there) plus the colourful artwork you posted really resembles one of the ILIs paintings I saw (the type of strokes, chosen colours, dynamics). ILIs are sensitive people.
I also don't think all ILIs are socially inept, especially one of the ones I know is very aware of other people and their intentions, plus has a hilarious kind of dry-wit sense of humour.

Don't know if it helped...

oh, in case you're wondering on the strength of particular functions, here's a Classic Jung Test, it gives the % of use of each function plus an MBTI result (obviously not the same as socionics but may point the direction). Will it help? don't know. Will it hurt? Probably not ;) http://similarminds.com/classic_jung.html
(It did help me, the first test that actually made sense, the result was spot on and made me notice my Si that other tests (MBTI, Keirsey, socionics) didn't register due to having also developed Ni)

hey :)
i think IEI is a really good fit for you. i see Fe>Te in your exchanges with people here. i don't know enough to say for sure and i'd probably shrug and go along with any kind of INxx or IxFx type but SEE seems extremely unlikely to me.

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hey :)
i think IEI is a really good fit for you. i see Fe>Te in your exchanges with people here. i don't know enough to say for sure and i'd probably shrug and go along with any kind of INxx or IxFx type but SEE seems extremely unlikely to me.

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I agree.

Not about your type;

Your appearance suggests naughty fun, like pranking and hoaxing the shit out of people! I approve if that's the case and suggest that you move over to holland since i'm looking for a friend that will encourage me to implement all borderline evil schemes i've been dreaming up ^^

Interesting test. I always score Infj/Infp on MBTI, fun to see the percentages. Not sure how much worth it has when trying to translate to Socionics though...

Te (Extroverted Thinking)

(40%)
your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods

Ti (Introverted Thinking) (55%)
your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational
Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (70%)
your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli
Ni (Introverted Intuition) (75%)
your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity
Se (Extroverted Sensing) (20%)
your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment
Si (Introverted Sensing) (45%)
your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments
Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (60%)
your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups
Fi (Introverted Feeling) (60%)
your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment

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based on your results your type is likely - infj

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Originally Posted by McBain

Why do I imagine such adventures in Holland like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKj8qIvvkTo

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Hahaha this is fitting on soo many different levels! (one of which being ILE = named don quixotte ^^ )
Are you a happy sanchopanda? I love panda's!

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Originally Posted by AshSun

I meant assessment of aggression potential. Se - seeking is very interested in that (attentive to it) and if a person doesn´t display Se, it can seem disappointing, especially in romantically-tinged interactions. I think your picture of Se-seeking is more like a caricature ... after all remember 2 kinds of "victim types" have been spotted , one looks submissive and lost, the other arrogant and challenging, even aggressive ;). I think people can be quite "sensitive" and fastidious about their dual-seeking function(s) ... it´s like some hidden sensor always on.

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NO.

Se seeking is exactly as I've described. Se seeking is not about aggressiveness. I've already written about this several time. You're just continuing to make a stereotype that is branding one function as "aggressive" which isn't correct. Se is a function that beholds static qualities of an object, it's color, shape size and texture.

In my example the kind of victim type is the lost one...exactly in how she phrases her confusion about choosing and her will in regards to taking an action. The other victim type, the EIE, is the one who seeks someone to clarify and add though and analysis to something to brush up turbulent feelings in regards to matters that they make judgements on.

Please don't engage me with your lunacy if you continue to brand types things they are not to apease your prejudice.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

NO.

Se seeking is exactly as I've described. Se seeking is not about aggressiveness. I've already written about this several time. You're just continuing to make a stereotype that is branding one function as "aggressive" which isn't correct. Se is a function that beholds static qualities of an object, it's color, shape size and texture.

In my example the kind of victim type is the lost one...exactly in how she phrases her confusion about choosing and her will in regards to taking an action. The other victim type, the EIE, is the one who seeks someone to clarify and add though and analysis to something to brush up turbulent feelings in regards to matters that they make judgements on.

Please don't engage me with your lunacy if you continue to brand types things they are not to apease your prejudice.

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If you shout "NO" more than once, you may be more convincing.

Victim
- Can project either a submissive or arrogant view of themselves
- The openly submissive version never questions the partners
control but expects the partner to "show the way" in all aspects
of the relationship or interaction
- The arrogant version looks aggressive and always challenges people
but the true meaning of this behaviour is to find an aggressor who
is stronger than the victim themself. This type can never be "tamed"
but the partner has to "apply force" at all times to keep the
arrogant victim under control
- Hates signs of weakness in others
- Has "I want you to control me (if you can)" attitude

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NO.

Se seeking is exactly as I've described. Se seeking is not about aggressiveness. I've already written about this several time. You're just continuing to make a stereotype that is branding one function as "aggressive" which isn't correct. Se is a function that beholds static qualities of an object, it's color, shape size and texture.

In my example the kind of victim type is the lost one...exactly in how she phrases her confusion about choosing and her will in regards to taking an action. The other victim type, the EIE, is the one who seeks someone to clarify and add though and analysis to something to brush up turbulent feelings in regards to matters that they make judgements on.

Please don't engage me with your lunacy if you continue to brand types things they are not to apease your prejudice.

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Not that it matters, but my LIE father, though "Victim" as erotic attitude, is very decisive and capable of choosing his way as well as others' -- he's been leading an institution for more than 2 dozens of years. He is also very good at estimating stuff like assertiveness and staying power in people, not only general (professional) competence.

Now I'm thinking LII, but I can't say for certain.

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@AshSun @Maritsa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZ33w3B8Hw

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i´m inclining more towards Fe for you as your thread progresses . Enneagram 4. Have you managed to find your own type on your own btw or still confused.

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The score so far:

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IEI
ILI
SEE
LIE
LII

BETA
GAMMA
DELTA

Me:
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Of all the literature that I read prior to joining the forum -- I identified with both IEI and ILI -- now I'm even more confused about that, not just from this thread but from further reading. What gives off the impression of Fe now more than Fi?

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lol sorry for the confusion brah

Most people around here don't know how to type, and I can only type with certainty either in person or via videography.

At this point I'm oscillating between LII, EII, and IEI for you.

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The score so far:

Thread:
IEI
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SEE
LIE
LII

BETA
GAMMA
DELTA

Me:
:shrug:

Of all the literature that I read prior to joining the forum -- I identified with both IEI and ILI -- now I'm even more confused about that, not just from this thread but from further reading. What gives off the impression of Fe now more than Fi?

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here's an idea, there are socionics closed fb groups segmented in duality - maybe there you'll see whether you 'fit in' with a certain type and understand them more than another?
honestly regarding Fe, like I mentioned before I see more Fi in you. It seems that the fact that you can interact nicely with other people in the forum and actually have a sense of humour doesn't fully resonate with the ILI stereotype. Thing is imo this is just that, a stereotype and irl ILIs are perfectly capable of being engaged in a conversation and joke around with i.e. ILEs and SEIs.
then again it's just an opinion (based on knowing closely two ILIs in my family, still an opinion, nevertheless ;) )

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I don't have facebook so no deal there -- but good idea nonetheless. You know maybe you're right and despite my suave and debonair interwebz comportment -- I really truly am an ILI at heart...

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well, tbh I've read through all the other answers by now (unlike with my first post here, lol) and I remember you writing sth along the lines that SEE is what you consider sth of a perfect way to socially interact, like a goal for you (sorry for not giving a quote per se). Now the question is whether you act the same way irl most of the time as here (i.e. you're open and you need a lot of interaction) or you're actually more open here in an annonymous environment than irl. The ILIs I know enjoy interaction irl, but at some point they get tired of it and need to retreat to the safe haven of their home/room and enjoy their alone time. The SEE I know needs way more interaction. Of course introversion/extraversion is a spectrum and doesn't purely define type. But given ILI/SEE is supposed to be (in great simplification) sort of "the same person but inside out" then comparing the energy levels used and usual behaviour might actually give a direction which of those two types a person is.

I know I notice sth similar in me. (I'm SEI in a relationship with ILE). Basically when I'm in a happy cheery mood and/or open with friends who know me well - I pretty much act similarly to ILE. Diferrence is - he's in this mode most of the time, while my ILE-like behaviour is natural to me, but it's not a permanent state. (This works both ways, when he's in need of relax he acts similar to me in my 'normal-mode'). When I interact via net I seem to be more open than irl interaction simply because here there's always a chance smn just won't read what I write if they're not interested/find it too long. Whereas irl I observe people and if I see they're not interested in what I have to say, then I just shut up and go into my 'listener-mode' and listen to them. (I don't want to talk for the sake of talking - I want to be listened)
mini-ramble/rant here: It can take years for some people to get me to open up if they are very extroverted themselves and have a tendency to cut me off mid-sentence. Then they usually feel they had a brilliant conversation with me (more of a monologue tbh, lol) but if smn asked them what they learned about me from the convo, they'd probably not know, cause they were busy listening to their own voice ;) Which is fine, I enjoy other people's stories. But the people I open up to are those who I really know are interested in what I have to say and actually want to listen to 'me' and aren't just looking for me to take a breath to cut me off and start their own story.

Having said that if it was tl;dr -
from my personal observation - doesn't mean it's true with everyone ofc:
I think the real life interactions are the ones to take into consideration when you're looking to identify your type. Introverts are more extroverted online than irl. Whereas extroverts are either the same in both instances, or seem more introverted as they're too impatient to take part in too much online interaction (cause you know - real life is waiting for them outside the window :)), or they don't bother interacting online.

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I don't have facebook so no deal there -- but good idea nonetheless. You know maybe you're right and despite my suave and debonair interwebz comportment -- I really truly am an ILI at heart...

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p.s. how the hell do you guys and gals do the "spoiler" thing?

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it's not a matter of being "suave and debonair" or cracking jokes or striving to look sarcastic. Your reasoning is not Te. And man, you're confused about which Ni dom. type you can be coz "ILI sounds way too socially oblivious" from the descriptions.

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honestly regarding Fe, like I mentioned before I see more Fi in you. It seems that the fact that you can interact nicely with other people in the forum and actually have a sense of humour doesn't fully resonate with the ILI stereotype. Thing is imo this is just that, a stereotype and irl ILIs are perfectly capable of being engaged in a conversation and joke around with i.e. ILEs and SEIs.

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of course any type is capable of interacting nicely and having a sense of humor, i agree. but every time you interact you have a choice about what skills you're going to use and what kind of foot you're going to put forward. mcbain could have kept this thread on a much more purely information-sharing and technical track but he chose to be personable and "suave and debonair" : p ... i think that says something

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mcbain could have kept this thread on a much more purely information-sharing and technical track but he chose to be personable and "suave and debonair" : p ... i think that says something

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It feels very much like an beta Fe way of image building to me. Listen to lungs, children! :popcorn:

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Not that it matters, but my LIE father, though "Victim" as erotic attitude, is very decisive and capable of choosing his way as well as others' -- he's been leading an institution for more than 2 dozens of years. He is also very good at estimating stuff like assertiveness and staying power in people, not only general (professional) competence.

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I think those attitudes are implied to be just that- erotic - because in that realm people supposedly only use their irrational functions.

Gay Ni at its finest. You're going to have to compete with Scapegrace when it comes to Werner Herzog, so I can type better...

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Aww the wittle baby wants attention, too. Gootchey-gootchey-gooooooo. Babah?

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Heh, I would cut your head off when you would do this to me in person. Peace.

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It's more threatening if you say: I am going to cut your head when you do this to me in person. No "woulds" unless you got a hard-on, babycakes.

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I wasn't threatening you in any way, brain dead. That was a promise. I do not make threats, only promises. As for your Byronic blatant homosexuality, you may practice it on your kind.

EIE, perhaps?

Does a "faith in opposites" sound "dialectical-algorithmic" to anyone else?

By the way, this is what I'm referring to:

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The essential distinguishing feature of the Dialectical style, is a view of the universe as a unified struggle of opposites. In speech it often uses syntactic constructions "if-then-else", the predictive branches of a developing process. Within limits, the Dialectic strives to find an intermediate point of dynamic equilibrium between contrasting extremes. Dialectical cognition is born from the colliding flow and counterflow of thought, the consciousness and unconsciousness. Thinkers of this style are characterized by an express inclination towards the synthesis of opposites, the removal of contradictions, which they so keenly perceive.

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Aww the wittle baby wants attention, too. Gootchey-gootchey-gooooooo. Babah?

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now this sounded annoyed Fe... ok, now I am confused. :confused2:
...you said Fe and Fi were close %?

is this you by any chance? @McBain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laGvKtPZYQ

Starfall linked this this video earlier in chat and it was strangely reminiscent :P

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I wish. :p

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:p

do you happen to have any photos of yourself closer up? showing your face and eyes in full? right now I'm of same predicament as @aisa that there is something about the visual material that you posted that isn't congruent with iei but more pictures or a video would resolve those doubts

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is this you by any chance? @McBain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laGvKtPZYQ

Starfall linked this this video earlier in chat and it was strangely reminiscent :P

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now that sounds exactly like the sort of thing an IEI in love would say (I'm starting to wonder if all of them use the same phrases and try to make you believe you're the best thing that happened to humanity since the invention of fire...), IEI eyes there, too.
(don't know if EIE would act similar as I've never dated an EIE)

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Yeah.

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Given you VI exactly like a male version of the ILI I know and do not remind me of IEIs visually (the eyes, proportion of lower parts of the face), and...
In writing you sound ILI/IEI and you said you test as either of the types, but in the Jung Test the result was close but pointed towards ILI with many functions on a similar level of development (I hope I remembered correctly), then...
=> My bet is on ILI, but tbh only you can know for sure. Mind you if you have some functions similarly developed you may act like one type in once circumstance and more like another in a different circumstance. On one hand it gives you more versality as it makes interacting with other people easier as you unconsciously switch between used functions depending on the person you're interacting with. On the other hand if you want to dig down to your core type (if you believe in such a thing as 'inborn' type) then probably this will take a bit of time. And thinking about duals should help a bit too (meaning whether interaction with SEE is more attractive and easier in the long run or interaction with SLE is more attractive and easier in the long run)... The in the long run part is important, cause duals not neccessarily 'hit it off' right away if they haven't met a dual before. But from my experience the interaction with a dual be it in a relationship, friendship or job - is in the long run quite enjoyable and less straining than with some other types. At least that is my experience.

tl;dr Maybe also join those MBTI/Keirsey forums and see where you feel more 'at home'?
-> http://www.infjs.com/ (thing to remember here is there are bound to be some mistyped MBTI INFPs there too)
-> http://intjforum.com/index.php (there are bound to be some mistyped MBTI INTPs there too)

^^ I´m not a supporter of typing by relationships primarily, but just by loosely scanning your interactions here, I don´t really see anything hectic with Te/Fis. As VI I admit he doesn´t match my image of IEI, rather Fi > this last pic reaffirms first impression. However I wouldn´t count out Fi base. A Fe polr wouldn´t necessarily judge ILI in the descriptions as "way too socially oblivious" , that would rather reflect strong Fe. A Fe polr would be more likely to ignore such info or take it for something neutral / fair enough. Moreover there´s often been some misinterpretation of general comments on information elements, only referring them back to the self and some subjective meaning (that could also be weak N). I don´t really see Te in his whole interaction with ppl here. Come to think of it, I´m not really sure I see Ni in his art, either (visual one) ...or at least not some highly figurative style that could irradiate Ni base.

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is this you by any chance? @McBain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laGvKtPZYQ

Starfall linked this this video earlier in chat and it was strangely reminiscent :P

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Jesus, I think I have dated "this guy" before. He wrote me about 100 poems, he wrote stories about me,he created a website shrine to me. He added the last letter of my real name to certain words so they would end with my name, when he wrote. He took my face and photoshopped me onto pics of faeries, goddessess, mermaids...etc. He clung to every word I said. He held me an emotional hostage for three years by attempting suicide every time I tried to leave. He was way smoother than this guy though. I learned from that experience though... that this isn't my type. He portrayed himself one way but underneath he used my sensitivity to keep me on the hook. He is my only ex that holds ill will toward me because I finally cut him off and it was one dramatic scene, to say the least.

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is this you by any chance? @McBain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laGvKtPZYQ

Starfall linked this this video earlier in chat and it was strangely reminiscent :P

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This is so uncomfortable to watch...please make me good food or repair my steam cleaner to show your love, guys... :shifty:

@McBain, you V.I. ILI, but I get such an IEI impression from you...how comfortable are you in group settings? How do you behave at parties where you know a few
people and don't know others? How does group atmosphere affect you?

That! was a creepy video. It was like watching the early years of some adult stalker and serial killer.
"I need you more than humans need food or water." "Stay perfect for me." And his laughter...creepy.

*scrubs out brain*

i don't get any particular vi impression at all. what are you people seeing??? i'm curious.

imo he VIs something like Oscar Wilde Attachment 3068

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Yeah I've read that description before -- that sounds about right in terms of the Dialectical style. EIE, hmm, perhaps. Thanks for using the literature!

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In your first post you said:

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I'm not an ENFj EIE -- that much is certain

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Why do you think that?

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Examples of Ni in art?

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It´s a bit weird to use them just to exemplify some functions, but that would be strong Ni imo Attachment 3069Attachment 3070

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<3<3<3<3<3 Wow-aylen, you're-aylen so-aylen pweeeeeeetty-aylen and-aylen peeeeeeeerrrrrfect-aylen !!!-aylen How-aylen could-aylen such-aylen a-aylen creep-aylen like-aylen that-aylen do-aylen to-aylen you-aylen !!!-aylen <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

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Oh god! Is that you? You found me again didn't you? I still have the restraining order!

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/26.gif

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/103.gif

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I receive myers briggs INTJ on a bunch of tests all the time -- didn't seem likely...perhaps just a lack of Socionics knowledge.

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Well, you can compare your mannerisms, speaking style, and facial characteristics to the various LII in this thread:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-LII?p=996901

Also, you should consider posting a video.

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Well, you can compare your mannerisms, speaking style, and facial characteristics to the various LII in this thread:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-LII?p=996901

Also, you should consider posting a video.

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Does MBTI INTJ = socionics LII in your opinion? If so - why?
(I vote switching last letters for introverted types when trying to 'switch' from MBTI to socionics, so INTJ = ILI in my book - which in my experience seemed to work better so far, that's why I'm asking for your reasoning - is it based on your experience or on some theory?)

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Does MBTI INTJ = socionics LII in your opinion? If so - why?

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Function-wise, no. But if he tested multiple times as INTJ, then there's a good chance he is a rational, introverted, and intuitive thinking type. In other words, an LII.

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(I vote switching last letters for introverted types when trying to 'switch' from MBTI to socionics, so INTJ = ILI in my book - which in my experience seemed to work better so far, that's why I'm asking for your reasoning - is it based on your experience or on some theory?)

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The whole "last letter switch" thing just means that INTJ leads with Ti instead of Ni, and that INTP leads with Ni instead of Ti. Do the MBTI tests determine which functions a person uses, or do they merely determine which type a person is based on self-reported "behaviors", "tendencies", and/or "preferences"?

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The prickled poet deadens with the dawn,
Shunned by his short cock’s crow, ‘fraid to grow long.

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He awaits light, instead greets overcast,
Finding no life sprung from his wooden staff,

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A chore to read his inert, flaccid strokes.

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Alack, a fooled prick’s comings, falling short.

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floppy cock

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http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/654...000PENISES.jpg

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Never quite understanding his urges;
Nor joyful heaven’s bliss in her surges.

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I think you're writing about an IEE.

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The fact of the matter is he indeed:
A learnéd little fellow lacking seed.

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I think many IEEs could use a reality check.

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This poet follows his rules to a ‘T’:
In Truth, merely impotence made holy.

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Fi-bashing. Yay.

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Too weak to speak of things most high and deep,
A shallow slav’ry, the sole friend he keeps.

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More Fi-bashing. More yay.

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While his poéms admit not of laughter,
In stern debate, he grasps himself master.

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It's a Ti-PoLR thing.

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Joyless without the spark made seminal,
What seems great to him is in fact quite dull.

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That's a matter of personal opinion.

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Trivial, a word do his thoughts provoke:
He anoints himself praise of high import,

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Here's why this poor fellow's thoughts seem trivial to you:

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That's only because an Ne-base would place more emphasis on the trivial aspects of a system, as Ne means "Explicit System Statics". Thus, to a Ti- or Fi-base, for whom "Implicit System Statics" or "Implicit Object Statics" is the leading function, an Ne-base may appear naive, ill-informed, or underdeveloped. A Ti- or Fi-base, by contrast, would be more focused on the unstated, one-might-say-"Implicit" properties that are less obvious to the Ne-base due to the concept of "Function Strength".

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If "the prickled pedant" really is IEE, and if you really are LII, then anything he can say about a system would seem trivial to you. If he tried to fall back on his secondary function it would do no good; we've seen your attitude toward Fi. This is why a supervisory relationship exists between IEE and LII.

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Alack, a fooled prick’s comings, falling short.
Such plight we find in this fop’s mocking deeds,
A prick pedant made blind by his floppy cock’s creed.

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Is "his floppy cock's creed" a vow of chastity? Or is it the opposite? Or is it something else entirely?

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Yes, exactly my good sir -- that entire poem was about you -- bravo, I must say. I'm glad you finally will admit your pedantry...among other things.

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lol, I hate that part about me... that I take things personally. It's the curse of Feeling.

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:D Yes Fi users tend to get that way, especially Fi egos. I get that way when I'm really paranoid or need to have sex -- so like all the time. Kidding, of course. I don't think any of that convoluted mess you wrote about my poem necessarily points to LII nor do the test results -- all of the tests I've taken have been totally dissatisfying -- too many binary questions, I tend to see myself on each pole when asked. The Dialectical-Algorithmic, EIE possibility is far more likely. I'm not the same type as Immanuel Kant, whose logical masturbations, I find dull and pedantic...

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perhaps you're ILI, and the poem is about LSE?

regardless, you're pretty cool I guess :P

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Or perhaps it's just an assignment that calls for the student to write a poem in the satyrical style using heroic couplets. In this case, calling upon the subject matter that the satirists loved to malign so much: pedants.

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Sorry, it's the PoLR again. By that I mean I poorly (if at all) perceive the "implicit" and "static" properties of "fields", or "conditions". Not that you care.

By the way, you use a lot of " : " in your writing - I know an LII who does the same thing.

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Your terminology here kinda proves my point. If you are LII, then your primary function is "Implicit Field Statics" and your secondary function is "Explicit Field Statics". If I am IEE, then my primary function is "Explicit Field Statics" and my secondary function is "Implicit Object Statics", making "Implicit Field Statics" my weakest unvalued function. Furthermore, your role function is "Implicit Object Statics". It kinda seems obvious then that you would loom like a shadow over me: you're strong where I am strong and strong where I am defenseless. Anything I say will seem illogical and silly to you. Enjoy your superiority, dickhead.

Reading the original post, there's a show on my TV in the background; "Law & Order: Criminal Intent."

I'm replying because I'm looking at your photo, and simultaneously, the actor on TV -- Vincent D'Onofrio -- looks a lot like you… (Good looking dude, so it's not like when a girl on the subway told me I looked like "Dawson's Creek," which hasn't sat well over the years… Or Aaron Hernandez, accused murderer -- another gem.)

Lol..! Mind-blowing scene… I forgot he was in that. (He's been in some great movies, now that I'm looking at it… He gained 70 lbs for "Full Metal Jacket" -- that's fucking commitment!)

Anyway, I don't mean to imply a relation between type and superficial resemblance. (I don't know D'Onofrio's type, anyway.)

If you write about things you like -- music, movies, stuff like that -- it can point to a quadra.

The Socionix site is hit-or-miss, IMO -- like all of them.

@JuJu: El Chapo Guzman > Aaron Hernandez

http://edgecast.metatube-files.busca...ge_76418_6.jpg

http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaest...man-is-caught/

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LMAO, Yes, YES, I am superior! You've finally admitted it!!! Muahahahahahahaha!!!

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http://wtfcontent.com/img/130661460535.jpg

/irony

Anyway, care to know who your supervisor is, possible-LII? If so, you might consider watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TDAwWxRCL0

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Perhaps you could provide me with an example of a dual ESFj whom I didn't want to strangle to death?

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I can only think of one ESE at the moment, and she's a little young, but as a template she'll do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33CswoZCURo
Whether you want to strangle her to death is your decision. Perhaps your "ESFj" have really been "ESFp"?

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It's hard to say. On the one hand I'm instantly skeptical as people generally suck at typing, but on the other hand I know little beyond names and faces when it comes to celebrities, so there's a possibility they could be typed correctly.

My gut tells me most Hollywood-folk are feelers of both genders. There may be some STs and NTs sprinkled here and there, but I think the majority are probably SFs and NFs.

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In your opinion, do they get it right -- in that, is it a useful resource?

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I wonder if instead of LII which you feel is your supervisor, I'm your contrary relation? Thus, an IEI.

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I've never felt supervised in a contrary relation... quite the contrary, actually. Pun absolutely intended. ILI would make more sense to me because their Ti-powers equal those of LII, but the problem is you strike me as an Asker and not a Declarer.

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Originally Posted by McBain

Ti as my base seems pretty damn far-fetched...and I'm not really anything like the LIIs in those videos on your thread.

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Why does having Ti as your base seem far-fetched, and how do you differ from the LIIs in those videos?

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Originally Posted by Kill4Me

@JuJu: El Chapo Guzman > Aaron Hernandez

http://edgecast.metatube-files.busca...ge_76418_6.jpg

http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaest...man-is-caught/

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Now I can see that -- at least you're putting me in with a better class of people (lol!) …Aaron Hernandez, pssh -- the girl who said that, I blocked her number… And "Dawson's Creek" -- I was talking to this Berkeley sorority student on a train, thinking I was getting somewhere with her, then and then she busts that out… And what do you say?! "You think I look like a show that sucks?" It all worked out though - turns out she loved the show… I still haven't seen it.

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And within 9 months he lost all of the weight and went from the likes of the master Stanley Kubrick to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rnTpR4M1ZI

Fe-EIE? He played a pretty mean Orson Welles.

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Wow, man… Usually I root for people to succeed, but in this case, the agent that counseled him to make "Thor" deserves to be eating out of a dumpster… Luckily he's a hell of an actor.

I'd need to check out a few interviews to type him with real confidence, but my first impression was Fe-EIE -- Yngwie Malmsteen was the EIE parallel that came to mind… Also, FWIW, I read earlier that his best friend is Ethan Hawke (LSI.)

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Originally Posted by McBain

As you mentioned -- you take things personally quite often -- if you feel supervised then it's most likely your own projection on what little you know of me.

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Perhaps, perhaps.

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Originally Posted by McBain

IEI is also an Asker. So is EIE.

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They are indeed, but your writing has an "economy" and a "deliberateness" to it that I find characteristic of logical types. Vague, I know, but those qualities are present in almost every action a logical type makes; it's like they're "more wound up" or "strung tighter" than ethical types. However, there is always room for error, especially when I have little to no information about the subject.

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This doesn't accord with the way I see reality. Ti as base:

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Before you dismiss LII as a possibility, take a look at Filatova's description:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ion-(Filatova)

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Originally Posted by McBain

So it's most likely a product of that indoctrination. Also, the poetry is highly formal poetry following a particular style of thought with attendant themes.

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"Indoctrination" is the truth… It took me years out grad school to get halfway back as far as writing goes. Economy of wording was drummed in, (esp. in journalism school -- likewise as an undergraduate in art history.)

I don't have enough info to say "McBain is [whatever type]" but IMO, you're looking at the most obvious choices.

What is *academic philosophy*?

Wow that is a whole lot of theorizing and deliberating going on o.o Read through it all quickly, and I'm not even sure whats going on anymore

What exactly were you leaning towards now? Or are you still completely lost and uncertain hahaha

I just wanted to pipe in with my two cents, since I have a very close IEI E4 friend, and you don't seem very similar to her....like...at all haha I think it's just the detail you put into your responses and the way you articulate yourself. She gets an intuitive sense of thing, but she can't ever really explain why. She just says "it is because I just know it is", while my SEI self would go more into the details around that contribute to my sense of something (similar to when you described one of the posters to this thread--Maritsa I think?). I'm not saying dominant intuition is out of the question, but you just don't strike me as an IEI at all.

Of course, I have a fairly limited understanding of socionics and am basing my views off personal experience :'D
Sorry I can't help much past that.

That's a lot of types hahhaa

She's 21, if that makes a difference or helps. Hmm...it could be upbringing then. We went to a Christian private school the majority of our schooling, so the standards were fairly high as well as a lot of strict rules and such. However, she was a little rebel and did as little work as possible and just manipulated the teachers into giving her good grades. In fact, all the betas I know that were in her clique were like that. They just....really didn't care about school haha. They did the minimal work, or more depending on how strict their parents were, but they'd rather goof off and pass notes and hide in the bathroom and get out of things. It was all about having fun and "ruling" the school in their own way. A power struggle thing I guess. I've heard form some sources that most betas are kind of like that....but I don't really know haha

Interesting, because she also had a parent as one of the teachers hahha
She's in college as well, but her passions don't reside there, so she still is very bored with the system and probably always will be.

Hm...perhaps I can convince her to read some of your poetry and she if it resonates with her. She's a songwriter, and is taking a poetry class, and is finding it hard to conform to the beginning rules for poets that they teach. She wants to write everything in a very abstract manner so that you have to "figure it out", but there aren't very many details to go off of at all, so most people have no idea what she's referring to xD
Do you find that you tend to write that way, or do you prefer a more concrete way of writing?

@McBain: Well, I got her to read over a couple of your poems and she couldn't even listen to more than a few lines from each because there was just too much concrete detail haha Looking at the thread quickly, she definitely thinks you aren't an IEI or beta (if you were, you would have to be ENFj/EIE). You come across as too serious, so you're most likely a gamma or a delta. She says this because she simply can't stand gammas haha And also most betas wouldn't care so much about what type they are (according to her, they'd go along with whatever people said or something).

We have a couple INTp(ILI) friends/siblings, and we think you're more like them than an IEI. They are all well-liked people, did well in school, but in a way that they could trick the system into giving them grades for little work (not that they really cared about the marks per say). If you were an ILI, then that would make sense why you mentioned liking the idea of being an SEE earlier in the thread (which is the dual counterpart).

That being said, you could be something else. She's just really sure you're not an IEI or a beta hahhaa

SEI and final :)