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preferably not board members. celebrities! celebrities! celebrities!
My kind of celebrities is probably different from yours, but anyway - -
Christopher Hitchens - :Fi: :Se:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Hitchens_2.jpg
Ann Coulter - :Te: :Ni:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...03Coulter1.jpg
Tony Blair - :Te: :Ni:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0px-BlairL.jpg
Yulia Tymoshenko - :Te: :Ni:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6...moshenko2b.jpg
Bill Gates - :Te: :Ni:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tesmugshot.jpg
Silvio Berlusconi - :Se: :Fi:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...erlusconzo.jpg
Not sure if this has been discussed before, but I am pretty darn sure that Condoleezza Rice is :Te: :Ni:
http://www.seattlewebservices.com/rice/condirice.jpg
good one, steve. this has been a secret thought of mine for a while, that she could be :Te: :Ni: ! i have a hard time seeing :Ti: :Se:.
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Originally Posted by Expat
I love how you put these two next to each other. George Galloway would laugh.
Yes I think it's probably correct for Rice.
Gerhard Schröder - :Se: :Fi:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0050910-01.jpg
Believe me I do have a thesis on this, and I've seen this possibility mentioned before on this site but I think it's still up for grabs. For now I'll just throw this out there though, that I think George W Bush is :Fi: :Se:
http://content.answers.com/main/cont...rge_w_bush.jpg
More later when I get some time to write it up... :wink:
I prefer to laugh at him:Quote:
Originally Posted by gilligan87
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...orge_dance.jpg
Not sure about his type, I think :Ni: :Fe: .
ahahahhahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Expat
They're both fools if you ask me. But I wanted to comment :P
On George Bush, I think he is more likely :Fe: :Si: than :Fi: :Se: but the latter is an intriguing possibility especially is Rice is indeed :Te: :Ni: .
And so is Blair. :wink:
Also, I think Bill O'Reilly is another :Te::Ni:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/...b__200x181.jpg
I read Dick Morris' book, "Condi vs Hillary". In the book Dick Morris covered much of Condi's life, her upbringing, work history including what she was able to do for Stanford (very ENTj-ish), and the history of her public service under both Bush 41 and 43, among many other things. From that I am almost certain that she is ENTj.
She is clearly :Te: focused. Also, her behavior pattern from the book showed that she is reluctant to use :Se:. It's been awhile since I read it, but she has never really actively applied or worked towards getting public service jobs. She has always had people asking/begging her to come work in public service because she'd be perfect. She's also said that she's not going to run for the presidency, but she never "ran for" her NSA job, nor Secretary of State. She had people calling out to her, and now there's a building coalition of people here calling for her to run for the presidency also. Perhaps her reluctance shows more a PoLR :Se:, but I think she's more :Te: than :Ti: and also showed a lot of :Ni: in the book so I think she's ENTj.
Actually, with how she's able to defend herself at various hearings and how aggressive she can get "only when needed", I do think that shows more the possibility of an :Se: hidden agenda.
Another person I think is definitely :Te::Ni: is Newt Gingrich.
http://www.doublespeakshow.com/image...grich_newt.jpg
Cindy Sheehan, :Fi::Se: ? She's the media darling anti-war "peace mom" in the U.S., whom Ann Coulter also wrote about in her latest book.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...heehan_VFP.jpg
If she's ISFj, she'd have to be diametrically opposed to GWB with a completely different set of personal ethics, with PoLR :Ne: perhaps not allowing her to see other points of view.
I've also thought that Hillary Clinton is either :Se::Fi: or :Fi::Se:. I think she may be SeFi.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...am_Clinton.jpg
It's really tough to tell with her because she has so many "handlers" telling her how to act, dress, along with prepared and carefully scripted speeches. From another Dick Morris book though, I think she's one of these two.
Hillary is :Ti: :Se: IMO.
I was gonna post that if no one else hadQuote:
Originally Posted by stevENTj
I think Hillary is ruled more by her personal ethics rather than by personal logic. She seems to have a very clear sense of what she personally wants in an ethical sense, and is extremely ambitious about making that happen. But when it comes to running the numbers, she's known for depending heavily on advisors which tend to be unscrupulous, take advantage of her weaknesses and "cook" the numbers on her. This is how her universal healthcare initiative in the early Clinton presidency years blew up on her. I think that would suggest more a role Ti, and not a foundation. And perhaps her advisors were ISTj hacks with "everybody lies" role Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Hillary Clinton is clearly an ENTJ. She is known for her ability to clearly express herself and lay out her ideas logically and concisly. Not a triat of ISTJs, ESFPs, or whatever else people thought of her.
I think Bill O'Reilly is also ENTJ.
Condi Rice, Bill Gates, and Tony Blair are ENTP IMO.
I don't know about the others mentioned in this thread (except for Bush, but I won't mention him since you all hate him).
I think that's her "handlers" doing the talking in those carefully prepared and scripted speeches, though. I read a book on Hillary from somebody that has known her for nearly 30 years I don't think she could possibly be an ENTj. Reading about her, there are a lot of similarities between her behavior and my wife's, who is ISFj. The biggest difference I saw was just a different set of personal ethics in each person. This is why I think she's either FiSe or SeFi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
I have a (perhaps silly) reason not to think of her as Gamma SF.
As a general rule, :Fi: :Se: and :Se: :Fi: women like being attractive. Hillary is a fine-looking woman, but if you see the pictures of the early years of her marriage to Clinton, she seemed to go out of her way to downplay that - as if she wanted to look like a geek. Perhaps it was part of a "feminazi" stance, but I thought it might suggest a logical type.
I don't hate him :( . Which type do you think he is (you have mentioned it before but I don't remember).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
In the early days of the Clinton presidency she was always playing around with different looks, different wardrobes, different hairstyles, and everything. She clearly wanted to be seen as attractive and was probably using the White House first lady wardrobe budget. I don't think the governor's mansion in Arkansas had such a thing, and the Clintons at the time had basically nothing in terms of personal wealth. Eventually with all the look/style changes people started to think of Hillary as unstable or going through a mid-life crisis which was making Bill look bad. So her "handlers" settled her down into the general look that she has now, which is pretty much the same hairstyle and usually double-breasted suits I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Yulia Tymoshenko
very pretty
Umm...if Bush is :Fe: :Si: or :Fi: :Se: then what type is his wife? Some logical type from Alpha or Gamma quadra? Or perhaps a :Fe: :Si: too?
http://melo-online.com/pm/blogpics/l...sh-collage.jpg
Yeah, I she's really not the one who does public speaches either, it's actually a goverment designed robot that just looks like her... :8* .Quote:
Originally Posted by stevENTj
EDIT//// oopsQuote:
Originally Posted by XoX
I think Bush is ENTJ and his wife is ENFJ.
(Sorry, I was thinking of the Clintons for some reason).
Read "Condi vs Hillary" and "Rewriting History", both by Dick Morris, and then get back to me. Both should be easily available off of ebay for a couple of bucks. You're only seeing what's at the surface, what her political handlers want you to see - what Dick Morris refers to in his books as the "Hillary Brand".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
I love it when people assume things.
Socionics is the science of assumption.
I meant about me.
That picture screams :Si: PoLR to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevENTj
Interesting, could you elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterpark
She's stiff, unrelaxed and overconcerned.
Could be. I think she's clearly rational, perhaps also ENTj.
I can try...Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
:Si: PoLR
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...am_Clinton.jpg
No :Si: PoLR
http://www.bubbleshare.com/media/00/...70_580x435.jpg
Well..yeah. Everything is missing...hair, make-up, facial expression, body positioning, clothes to some extent, background, forgroung, ... The picture is just not very aesthetic. Not that it really matters in that situation or that it is necessarily completely her fault. And the comparison I made is a bit unfair but just to prove a point :D I don't know if she has :Si: PoLR or not but it is not one of her strong functions I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
Well, it's basically what FDG said. She is stiff, unrelaxed, unfocused(as looking nowhere), and seems very uncertain of her appearance. Plus I know a woman who I 've already typed ENTj who has the same exact face expression almost every time I see her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
XoX, bravo my friend! You've hit the nail on the head. I think my point should be pretty obvious after this example.Quote:
Originally Posted by XoX
http://gijutsuhonyaku.com/frankspers...ontent/FVZ.jpg
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/architects...ortrait_hr.jpg
http://24ur.com/media/images/large/Mar2004/2040136.jpg
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.c...1141424185.jpg
http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gal...808869_Max.jpg
http://www.kipaddotta.com/images/john-travolta.jpg
http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0604/...om-720_438.jpg
http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/.../915075499.jpg
http://www.kinoexpert.ru/foto/001669_1.jpg
http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/imag...er/150x223.jpg
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Originally Posted by Winterpark
love that you posted this. :D
I don't like Angelina Jolie.
She is attractive and all but something about the way she presents herself/acts just rubs me wrong.
Tupac Shakur
ENTj
<3
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Originally Posted by maizemedley
maizemedley! corn lady!
<3
ahahahahaha. i can see it but it is just not what i usually connote with :Se::Fi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Expat
Either that or :Se: :Ti: . Anyway :Se: subtype.
I'm starting to agree with Joy (*shrugs*) that you're not ENTJ, and that in fact, all the "ENTJs" here (except Expat), are probably not. You've been irritating lately... because you've started to come off more like ENTP or ESTP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamicism
@Winterpark: what types do you think those people are?
1st half - Gamma NT (mostly ENTjs),Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
2nd half - Gamma SF (mostly ESFps).
Travolta's ESTP and JLo's ESFP IMO.
I wasn't sure about Travolta but he seems Rational to me. (I agree about J Lo)