Type me by MY FACE

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

:love: woofie to the rescue. Here it comes...



Been there, done that.



Or not. :p

Hey Gem, here's the KC and JoBlo type list, it's right there in my first post:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...hread-split%29

And haha wow, phrenology aplenty in the Amadeus method, good to know...

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1. Half of the people on that type list I haven't typed.
2. I'm still the only IEE on that list
3. I challenged Gem to go through my posts and find bits of Se, not go through my posts and tell me who I've typed and what.
4. I'm not associating certain skull measurements with particular personality traits.
5. Nobody cared about your +/- posts; I'm not sure if it's because they were unintelligible or if it's because your conclusions were nothing new or noteworthy. Probably both.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

1. Half of the people on that type list I haven't typed.

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False. Even more false because you've typed them more than once. You make messes faster than they can be cleaned up, and you lit up at least a fourth of the entire socion on typing Absurd alone. You got less committal once I started compiling a list, and more committal once I stopped giving a shit.

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2. I'm still the only IEE on that list

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False. You have Jimmers and Reficulris at IEE. Also, just because I like mentioning it, you have Aushra Augusta herself at IEE. Ti-PolR for Aushra...

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

3. I challenged Gem to go through my posts and find bits of Se, not go through my posts and tell me who I've typed and what.

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False.

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4. I'm not associating certain skull measurements with particular personality traits.

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Sure, looking at old black and white photos for a "bulbous nose" is technically separate from taking precise measurements of an actual living human being who's right in front of you.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

5. Nobody cared about your +/- posts; I'm not sure if it's because they were unintelligible or if it's because your conclusions were nothing new or noteworthy. Probably both.

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False on all counts. Hell, I was surprised at how well they were received, and the warm reception, as well as the currently unanswered questions I was presented with, will help inspire me to make something more decidedly portable and clear for my next step.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Thank you, Parker ;) I'd have to think about this

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No problem, I enjoy being sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by Geminatronix

This photo is a good example of my posed look. I'm not the best as smiling for the camera and it often comes across as slightly uncomfortable in expression. Add to that I didn't know the guy in the photo and he put his arm around my waist for the pic which was super awkward and I was desperate to get away but too embarrassed to stop the pic being taken.

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God, that would be awkward. There are seriously people who think that sort of thing is OK? o.O Did he even ask permission or anything?

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Originally Posted by William

Dude, JB, Kenny Chesney, whoever you are, you completely cut out the first part of that paragraph, an especially important part, where it's stated Filatova herself is critical for judging someone solely from looks for VI. Here's the full paragraph:

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Yeah, that's what gets me about people who recommend Filatova's portraits for instruction on VI. I tend to wonder whether they really don't know or just choose to ignore that little fact.

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

False. Even more false because you've typed them more than once. You make messes faster than they can be cleaned up, and you lit up at least a fourth of the entire socion on typing Absurd alone. You got less committal once I started compiling a list, and more committal once I stopped giving a shit.

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1. True. I've not typed half those people; your list is full of lies and deceit.
2. If you've stopped giving a shit, then stop being such a dick.

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

False. You have Jimmers and Reficulris at IEE. Also, just because I like mentioning it, you have Aushra Augusta herself at IEE. Ti-PolR for Aushra...

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1. I don't know who the fuck Jimmers is.
2. I never typed Ref.
3. Aushra isn't a forum member.

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

False.

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True; read the discussion, douche.

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

Sure, looking at old black and white photos for a "bulbous nose" is technically separate from taking precise measurements of an actual living human being who's right in front of you.

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You don't even understand the context of "bulbous nose"; go home, you're drunk.

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False on all counts. Hell, I was surprised at how well they were received, and the warm reception, as well as the currently unanswered questions I was presented with, will help inspire me to make something more decidedly portable and clear for my next step.

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haha, whatever you've gotta tell yourself, wannabe; enjoy your "pity likes".

Ordered lists - Huxley's swiss knife.

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Originally Posted by Park

Ordered lists - Huxley's swiss knife.

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Lol, is that so you can open a can of IEE when you go camping? Survival IEE, in case of apocalypse.


Also @woofwoofl I think you are being trolled now, he'll be alright when he grows up a bit.

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Lol, is that so you can open a can of IEE when you go camping? Survival IEE, in case of apocalypse.

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Yes, to whatever on earth that means.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

as far as I know I'm the only IEE on here.

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how is this possible?

the active users number is shown as ~250
with equal distribution of types 250/16=15, there should be at least 15 IEEs on this website
being NFs who have an interested in personality theories there is likely more IEEs here than types like LSI, so 20+ IEEs

why are you being so greedy with your type? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Nevero

how is this possible?

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Mismatch theory is a concept in evolutionary biology that refers to fluidity in fitness criteria.The essence of mismatch theory is that organisms possess traits (including behavioral, emotional, and biological) that have been passed down through generations, preserved by natural selection because of their adaptive function in a given environment. However, the given environment of the evolutionary period can be quite unlike the current environment. Therefore, traits that were at one time adaptive in a certain environment, are now "mismatched" to the environment that the trait is currently present in. This can present a number of problems for the organism in question.

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with equal distribution of types

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that's a pretty big assumption

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Originally Posted by Nevero

being NFs who have an interested in personality theories

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that's another big assumption

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Originally Posted by Nevero

why are you being so greedy with your type? :confused:

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I'm not being greedy, I'm being realistic, and if I come across a forum member who strikes me as IEE, I will type them IEE

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

that's a pretty big assumption

that's another big assumption

I'm not being greedy, I'm being realistic, and if I come across a forum member who strikes me as IEE, I will type them IEE

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that's elementary statistics layered with a dose of common sense

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

However, the given environment of the evolutionary period can be quite unlike the current environment.

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false analogy, evolutionary biology is not applicable to an internet forum because nobody gets hunted down and selected against to prevent them from participating here

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Originally Posted by Nevero

that's elementary statistics layered with a dose of common sense

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you're taking too much for granted

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false analogy, evolutionary biology is not applicable to an internet forum because nobody gets hunted down and selected against to prevent them from participating here

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right, but if human beings were created by natural selection, and if natural selection is an ongoing process, and if IEE "is not much adapted to the real life" (I agree; Ti-PoLR is a bitch), then it's very possible that IEEs are being selected against, which would mean fewer IEEs overall

1. I like my IEEs canned.
2. EIEs, I prefer fresh and skinless.
3. My chicken wings always go with hot sauce.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

1. I don't know who the fuck Jimmers is.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

if I come across a forum member who strikes me as IEE, I will type them IEE

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http://s23.postimg.org/xtx1t1ctn/jojim1.png

http://s11.postimg.org/xsu0207rn/jojim2.png

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post998570 <- the whole thread in all of its glory

Elmer Fudd has a bulbous nose and he hunts ducks! Got a type for him yet? :lol:

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

http://s23.postimg.org/xtx1t1ctn/jojim1.png

http://s11.postimg.org/xsu0207rn/jojim2.png

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post998570 <- the whole thread in all of its glory

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get a life

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Originally Posted by woofwoofl

Elmer Fudd has a bulbous nose [i]and[/ [ i] he hunts ducks! Got a type for him yet? :lol:

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well, if he talked in terms of bulbous noses or high-arching eyebrows, I might consider Se-ego for him

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

well, if he talked in terms of bulbous noses or high-arching eyebrows, I might consider Se-ego for him

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And what if he once mentioned a clumsy bulbs nose and said someone told him he had high arch eyebrows. Does this also auto make Se ego? You are changing it according to what you previously decided due to your own ideals and not what was actually written in posts, just like you are now doing with saying you have not typed people a certain way. But when you are presented with the evidence you become aggressive/attacking. And if pushed you will probably then blame Ti polr. I can see the pattern with you JoBlo, you are not so misunderstood as you think.

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Originally Posted by Geminatronix

And what if he once mentioned a clumsy bulbs nose and said someone told him he had high arch eyebrows. Does this also auto make Se ego?

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if he spoke in terms of bulbous noses and high-arching eyebrows (so basically, in terms of explicit and static properties of objects), I would be inclined to say Se-ego

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You are changing it according to what you previously decided due to your own ideals and not what was actually written in posts, just like you are now doing with saying you have not typed people a certain way.

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not sure what you mean

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But when you are presented with the evidence you become aggressive/attacking.

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what evidence?

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And if pushed you will probably then blame Ti polr. I can see the pattern with you JoBlo, you are not so misunderstood as you think.

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you're onto me ;)

Hey @Ath , I'm a bit confused about what I am supposed to have said about who. I realise which thread but did I say someone was Ti dom or Ti poor and who was it? I try not to categorically state anyone is anything but I do sometimes compare or give opinion.

Thanks

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@Geminatronix I didn't bother go thru it thoroughly again but this should suffice. I recall someone called you annoying in the chatbox once cuz you judge everyone. So to be on topic, that fits with :Fi:-creative ("Aims to give his evaluation to everything that surrounds him", link has :Ti: descriptions too btw). Food for thought for BSers like @Kenneth Chesney who fucking typed you SLE...

BTW I disagree strongly with the sentiment expressed in your sig. It reeks of what Smilex described as delta's big fault: shortsightedness leading to societal decay. I see that as playing a big role in those wanting to keep Absurd non-banned too, btw. But enough about him. Your sentiment seems +Fi (alpha/delta values) in model B to me. Here's how -Fi (beta/gamma values) sees it:

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Ah I see the link, I didn't question parks type though.

Yeah I don't see myself as gamma at all. Infact I believe that was why Jim came round to the likelihood of my being IEE because he couldn't see me as gamma at all and saw me as an Ethical EP type. Could be mistaken though... lemmi see if @InvisibleJim agrees with that.

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@Geminatronix I didn't bother go thru it thoroughly again but this should suffice. I recall someone called you annoying in the chatbox once cuz you judge everyone. So to be on topic, that fits with :Fi:-creative ("Aims to give his evaluation to everything that surrounds him", link has :Ti: descriptions too btw). Food for thought for BSers like @Kenneth Chesney who fucking typed you SLE...

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1. In what manner did she "judge" others?
2. "Aims to give his evaluation to everything that surrounds him" = judging people? Furthermore, "aims to give his evaluation to everything that surrounds him" is horrifically vague; who doesn't "evaluate everything that surrounds him"? Isn't that basically what every function does? You need to stick to Filatova:

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2. :Fi: – Possesses the gift of inspiring people towards long-term promising activities. Knows how to juggle the moods and relations of those that surround her. Conceals negative moods within her so as not to suffer other’s judgments; but is more willing to share with friends, in this regard.

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2. :Fi: He separates people into his friends and strangers, highest and lowest, attempts to occupy as high a spot as possible on the vertical hierarchy. Knows how to make contact with others, easily can manipulate people in order to attain a goal.

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3. If you can't see her as SLE, that's your problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Ath

BTW I disagree strongly with the sentiment expressed in your sig. It reeks of what Smilex described as delta's big fault: shortsightedness leading to societal decay. I see that as playing a big role in those wanting to keep Absurd non-banned too, btw. But enough about him. Your sentiment seems +Fi (alpha/delta values) in model B to me. Here's how -Fi (beta/gamma values) sees it:

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B is for Bollocks

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Originally Posted by Ath

"Aims to give his evaluation to everything that surrounds him"

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here's Filatova on SLE Ti:

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SLE logically, and sensibly, interprets the situation, checking for far reaching aftereffects of various events. Nothing is assumed upon blind faith.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

here's Filatova on SLE Ti:


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Lol well theres the difference then. Many people had issue with me in the chat box when I first joined this site because they thought me far too 'assuming' without enough knowledge. I'm serious frequently kenneth but not sensible when it comes to interpreting situations. I go with how i feel about something.

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Lol well theres the difference then. Many people had issue with me in the chat box when I first joined this site because they thought me far too 'assuming' without enough knowledge.

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not so fast:

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The obvious disadvantage of this cognitive style is that it appears too rough, lacking adequate consideration to details which become important when a process flows smoothly. Its information-dense constructs are often difficult to decompress and unpack; to outsiders, they may seem void of intermediate links for establishing coherency in their connections.

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I'm serious frequently kenneth but not sensible when it comes to interpreting situations. I go with how i feel about something.

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please elaborate

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Yeah I don't see myself as gamma at all. Infact I believe that was why Jim came round to the likelihood of my being IEE because he couldn't see me as gamma at all and saw me as an Ethical EP type. Could be mistaken though... lemmi see if InvisibleJim agrees with that.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

not so fast:





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Well ok, I shall give a rough hewn example. If I found myself in a situation with several people on a dessert Island, theres not much food left... there may be enough for one apple each, but I would go with who I think needs the food most, based on how I feel about it. Man A I feel has plenty of guile and ability to catch his own food. I don't like man A much, he seems arrogant. And woman B may be at a disadvantage due to pregnancy when the rations are over. I like her, she is at a disadvantage and I care about people who are less able to stand up for themselves. I will probably give woman B more rations than man A

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Well ok, I shall give a rough hewn example. If I found myself in a situation with several people on a dessert Island, theres not much food left... there may be enough for one apple each, but I would go with who I think needs the food most, based on how I feel about it. Man A I feel has plenty of guile and ability to catch his own food. I don't like man A much, he seems arrogant. And woman B may be at a disadvantage due to pregnancy when the rations are over. I like her, she is at a disadvantage and I care about people who are less able to stand up for themselves. I will probably give woman B more rations than man A

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Being energetic and ambitious, SLE assumes that the significance of an individual is determined by their situation in society, by the ability of the individual to attain their place in life; therefore they can prove to be, at times, intolerant, even rough, in terms of respect, with those with of lower status. They may consider another to be measly if that individual failed to reach a fitting place in the social hierarchy. On the other hand, those, whom possess authority in society, are worthy of respect.

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Understanding their weakness in this area, SLE prefers not to guess, but to utilize concretely available information, moreover to logically evaluate others (i.e. according to their strong function). Therefore they are inclined to judge a person by the practical characteristics of his/her behaviour rather than on the bases of sincere observation. Hence their judgments of others are sometimes two-dimensional.

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based on how I feel about it

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what do you mean by "feel"?

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what do you mean by "feel"?

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I like her, I don't like him. Feelings.

Edit: Also...social hierarchy... thats hilarious. I'm absolutely way out of that.

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I like her, I don't like him. Feelings.

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and this is why talking about Fi as "feelings of like/dislike" is inaccurate

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Edit: Also...social hierarchy... thats hilarious. I'm absolutely way out of that.

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as in, you're not part of the social hierarchy? again, not sure what you mean here

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and this is why talking about Fi as "feelings of like/dislike" is inaccurate




as in, you're not part of the social hierarchy? again, not sure what you mean here

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As in I don't care about social hierarchies or where people are supposed to fit within them. I thought i made it abundantly clear that I root for the underdog... almost always. And I give no credit to anyone in power at all, intact i always question authority because authority is rife with corruption. We the people forget that the power lays with us, we are so doped up on media nonsense. I despise social ladders and capitalism in general. Unfortunately for me my ideals conflict greatly with each other and i have no idea how to achieve an amalgamation of two contradictory theoretical ideals.

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As in I don't care about social hierarchies or where people are supposed to fit within them. I thought i made it abundantly clear that I root for the underdog... almost always. And I give no credit to anyone in power at all, intact i always question authority because authority is rife with corruption.

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I think you're (mis)equating "social hierarchies" in this context with "formal power structures" like governments or businesses

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we are so doped up on media nonsense.

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I'll agree with you here; I found the following videos quite interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBm9ZyIg3I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwEQbxHk0LI

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

I think you're (mis)equating "social hierarchies" in this context with "formal power structures" like governments or businesses

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I'm not mixing it up, one is just a macrocosm of the other. Like i said I will usually always root for the underdog, my brother recently commented that I'm always attracted to the lame duck. There is some truth to that. As a small child i used to bring stray animals home, as a teenagers it was homeless folks now it's fighting for kids with special needs. I am anti system at times, this is true but social hierarchies are just scaled down versions of these and a fundamental level in which we should pay attention.

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Originally Posted by Geminatronix

I'm not mixing it up, one is just a macrocosm of the other. Like i said I will usually always root for the underdog, my brother recently commented that I'm always attracted to the lame duck. There is some truth to that. As a small child i used to bring stray animals home, as a teenagers it was homeless folks now it's fighting for kids with special needs. I am anti system at times, this is true but social hierarchies are just scaled down versions of these and a fundamental level in which we should pay attention.

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I'm talking about "informal social hierarchies", i.e. "groups of friends"

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I'm talking about "informal social hierarchies", i.e. "groups of friends"

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Right ok, same thing for me, no hierarchy thanks. Live and let live.

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Right ok, same thing for me, no hierarchy thanks. Live and let live.

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I don't know what to tell you; you can keep thinking you're IEE, but I promise you you're not

you need to "make the natural seem strange":

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It was (and is) common to think that other animals are ruled by "instinct" whereas humans lost their instincts and are ruled by "reason", and that this is why we are so much more flexibly intelligent than other animals. William James took the opposite view. He argued that human behavior is more flexibly intelligent than that of other animals because we have more instincts than they do, not fewer. We tend to be blind to the existence of these instincts, however, precisely because they work so well -- because they process information so effortlessly and automatically. They structure our thought so powerfully, he argued, that it can be difficult to imagine how things could be otherwise. As a result, we take "normal" behavior for granted. We do not realize that "normal" behavior needs to be explained at all. This "instinct blindness" makes the study of psychology difficult. To get past this problem, James suggested that we try to make the "natural seem strange":

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And what you quote is exactly the opposite of what Gem would do, since in that specific example she would favor the LEAST strong. And that's one of the ways in which ESIs supervise SLEs (when they act like assholes towards "weaker" people - they don't normally do it, just when they want to get something specific and the "weaker" person stands between them and their goal).

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I don't know what to tell you; you can keep thinking you're IEE, but I promise you you're not

you need to "make the natural seem strange":

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Oh Kenneth bless you, you have everything worked out back to front and inside out. It's more the other way round for me. What most people describe as 'strange' I deem as perfectly normal. Recent discussion re Salvador Dali whereas I did not find him strange and others did, I guess the strangeness seems most natural to me, self expression is very important and I find it close to my own heart.

What many people consider 'normal' i find strange. People who accept things without question, who have regular jobs (i.e white collar) who do not break out of the system and accept their lot assimilated by the borg. Thats what I find strange. In the area in which I live it is a hotspot for three sorts of crime... dog theft, mobile theft and teenage pregnancy. The youth here are so disillusioned that they will break into someones car and steal their satnav and sell it off for the price of a hat and a chicken nuggets meal. That to me is CRAZY. It's not desperate, it's crazy. I find that insane, that part of society who have the whole world at their feet and somehow justify destroying other peoples(their neighbours) property and causing distress and upset, not to mention risking their own liberty....for what? Fast food? They are not starving, they honestly think they are gangsters but they are not, they are petty criminals.

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NPA theory narcissism-trait. On NPA theory test you got N so that fits. Lack of aggression-trait maybe? Or just non-anti-socialness.

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Actually that description does fit somewhat, I can be assertive though but in small quantities and only when under extreme pressure to do so or if i don't take control then it will fall apart...like when i took over the team in paint balling, i really didn't want to take over and actually even when i did i just explained tactics and everyone took their own positions... the only reason i did that was because the team moral was so low because of poor communications and i saw an area i could help in.

Though it did feel cool to come back from 0-3 to 4-3...that coolness feeling did not last long when i realised the other teams felt quite low. Still though it was an immensely fun experience... and i imagined myself in battlefields in an apocalypse for the duration... our lives and the human race depended on our success!!!

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Kechey, way to quadruple-post #75-78:doh:

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I wasn't following forum politics /trends /what have you closely at the time.

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sounds like Fe to me, you scheming, manipulative EIE you:

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"'these things are happening', 'we are making these changes', 'these developments are occurring', 'these changes have occurred', 'the conditions are changing in this way'"

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I recall her stating she thought I had autism cuz of my incessant use of systems to understand others. I answered affirmatively, then she dismissed my approach as inferior to an experienced-based approach. Other than that you'll have to ask other ppl. Her old posts can be read too.

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wow, that sounds totally Fi to me; just kidding, it has nothing to do with it

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Differences lies in evaluates vs gives his evaluation (Fi = judgmental).

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that is the dumbest distinction I've ever come across; where would be the use in having a function that you can't talk about, i.e. can't pass the information you've collected on to other people? every single person evaluates and gives their evaluation, hence intertype relations.

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Sticking solely to Filatova seems limiting to me

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it's actually liberating; it means I don't have to confusedly dig through all the bullshit descriptions made by lesser-grade socionists

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I doubt an argument can be made for why she's the sole worthwhile socionist

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the proof is in the pudding; that is, her work is argument enough, it stands on its own

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esp when you self-type as her mirror.

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she's EII??? omg, that is awesome! I had suspected it all along because her work fucking speaks to me, but now I know for certain!

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How does this all add up?

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I skimmed over the model B material and it reminded me too much of that Smilexian mathematical bullshit; it's overcomplicated and obfuscatory

it's BOLLOCKS

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Sure, I could see Ti-creative checking all ramifications. If we're to trust Reinins, then there's SLE's farsightedness too. Gem doesn't fit what you quoted in light of her recent thread.

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you mean this:

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I know many Ne ego people have great difficulty with putting ideas into practise but perhaps none more so than the IEE. It is though something I would really like to work on/get help with. Sometimes my head is overflowing with great new business ideas/models/theories so much so that I can't sleep or talk normally unless it's about one of said ideas because i'm so excited by whatever it is.

The thing is, I LOVE this, I love the process of it, the excitement, the adaptability. I could probably come up with a million and one ideas for almost anything you give me. I sometimes feel like a one woman think tank.


But that's where it ends, it's where i start to fall...slowly...flat on my face. Because I can keep churning out ideas but they have no-one to manifest them, no place to live and to thrive and be moulded by others. And sometimes this is very frustrating. Idea's are fabulous, but ideas don't pay the bills. Thinking up a great novel and mentally writing a story with elaborate characters and thick twisty plots does not a book publish.


And business models are still just idea's unless you have the actual framework to them. So I can think up all these niches in the market, I can give plenty of ideas to other people too, workable ones, I do the research too... but it's the implementation, the paperwork/programming and etc that lets me down.

I do actually have a business, that's what I do, and it would be much further if I was more together with management and organisation and if i did not keep going off on tangents...and stuck to the model! But I have to have change, variation... or i become restless.

So sometimes it all feels a bit sad, I think I need a business partner.


So.... anyone else identify with this?

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how does that go against what I quoted?

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Originally Posted by Ath

Again you're at what woofwoofl criticized you for in the other thread for - using bits of descriptions.

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lol, I don't see what's so bad about doing that; you're doing it right now with this garbage:

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Logics of Relationships Ti: System – regularity, hierarchy, organization, cause and effect relations, theory.Ethics of Relationships Fi
Moral categories – good – evil, ideology, morals, morality, decency, religion, conscience, good – bad.
Attraction – obtrusiveness, tiresomness, dislike, repulsion, attachment, psychological distance, inclination.
Feelings expression – undue familiarity, tactfulness, diplomacy, mercy, tenderness, indulgence, tolerance, ability not to hurt, humaneness.
Feelings – kindness, envy, anger, love – hatred, sympathy – antipathy, compassion.
Peoples’ relationships – animosity, friendship.



- The Inspector (LSI): the world is governed by order and discipline. This type is most dependent on organization of its concrete environment, completely subjugating itself to its adopted system. Every major alternative is rejected since deviation from accepted and polished system is equivalent to losing foothold and descending into uncontrollable chaos.
- The Psychologist (IEE): world is governed by a feeling that is more powerful than the individual; this is one of the most altruistic types that is capable of helping people not asking for anything in return. This type has a strong predisposition for empathy.

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what a load of hogwash; again, stick to Filatova (I'll allow DarkAngelFireWolf69, too)

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Originally Posted by FDG

And what you quote is exactly the opposite of what Gem would do, since in that specific example she would favor the LEAST strong. And that's one of the ways in which ESIs supervise SLEs (when they act like assholes towards "weaker" people - they don't normally do it, just when they want to get something specific and the "weaker" person stands between them and their goal).

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it doesn't matter who she favors; what matters is that she's evaluating Man A and Woman B in that manner

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Chesney

it doesn't matter who she favors; what matters is that she's evaluating Man A and Woman B in that manner

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But she's not. She's evaluating them in the OPPOSITE way.

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Originally Posted by Ath

Are you saying you WANT to quadruple-post?:doh::doh:

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if I didn't want to, I wouldn't have done it

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Originally Posted by Ath

The base function is always on, so Fe ain't my base, otherwise I'd have paid more attention to developments.

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that is a huge stretch, not to mention an assumption; I would honestly say that all the functions are always on, because as long as we're conscious we're processing information

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Originally Posted by Ath

From what I've seen Fi/Te values experience over understanding.

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another retarded distinction

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Originally Posted by Ath

My point was that she offers her evaluation, as described here, as I linked earlier. Socionics is about differentiation. This article (again) says XEEs give their evaluations a lot, & ofc their evaluations aren't about (conventionally) :Ti: logical consistency.

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well I guess I disagree then; I think any type will readily provide their evaluation of things if prompted, i.e. if presented with the right kind of information

you should instead ask "what kind of evaluation is being given?"

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Originally Posted by Ath

Also, introverts are less engaging than extroverts. Logical introverts even more so cuz "coldblooded" communication style; passive expectation of feelings.

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okay

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Originally Posted by Ath

Stick to pond-fishing & forego the big fish which lurk in depths?:doh:

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I've fished the high seas, and Filatova is the finest catch

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Originally Posted by Ath

BIAS ALERT! Sure, she's got some notority but the SOLE worthwhile socionist? If not, then only Filatova & DarkAngelFireWolf69 out of all the socionists are wortwhile?

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more or less

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Originally Posted by Ath

Model B is of importance cuz socionists both use it & debate about it ( @silke plz confirm this for Kechey), so a dismissal of it based on vague associations to Smilex is easily dismissed. Experimentation is necessary for progress. Aushra used model J(ung) before settling on model A.

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B is for Bollocks

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Originally Posted by Ath

woofwoof is currently making model W(oofionics) too.

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W for Wack

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Originally Posted by Ath

Knowledge is power.

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in your case, it's more like "ignorance is bliss"

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Originally Posted by Ath

So get out there & fish!Her thread fits with the conventional under as impractical, scatterbrained dilettantes. HP cog style + Ep + NF causes that. Recently, I, @woofwoofl agreed that model B's -Ne (delta/gamma values) tends to brainstorming. -Ne is static & - aka result, meaning it is HP cog style variant of Ne. ILE gets +Ne aka causal-determinist variant of Ne. Seeing as ILE has logic for more practicality in their interests, its not strange that they sacrifice the flexibility of HP cog style.I quoted sth bigger than you + sth more structural in nature. Type descriptions are generalized stuff which can be interpreted in various ways cuz words are undoubtedly complicated. The semantics articles focuses solely on patterns in words used, thus it is different from what you do.DarkAngelFireWolf69 wrote philosophical motivations of types, which is what I linked & quoted.

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your problem is the same as everyone else's: you don't know what the types actually look like

you need to stop with your masturbatory theorizing and open your damn eyes; get out of the house and actually interact with people, and maybe what I'm saying will start making sense to you