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10-19-2013, 04:03 AM
InvisibleJim

1) VI Doesn't work
2) You are probably IEE.
10-19-2013, 04:07 AM
Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

I just don't see N anywhere.

Where is the N in you and Eliza in comparison to Gem?
10-19-2013, 04:10 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

Where is the N in you and Eliza in comparison to Gem?

No. N is specific things that I'm looking for, awkwardness of stance (sort of out of balance) something with hands and fleshiness of skin, and the eyes and lips. None of those things give me specific genetic qualities that I am looking for that would make an N type.
10-19-2013, 04:13 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

Also one more... myself and Mind back in January

Attachment 2391

Gem, this guy is SEI, how do you get along with him?

Sorry for quoting, let me know if you want me to remove it.
10-19-2013, 04:18 AM
InvisibleJim

So, at first I was all like 'this VI baloney' but then I used CSI technology and saw the N.

http://s15.postimg.org/bjv6zh0vd/seeing_N.png
10-19-2013, 04:49 AM
Eliza Thomason

Quote:

Originally Posted by anndelise

Let's review then, shall we?

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You have never asked me my personal thoughts/feelings on it. So this one is Yes.
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This one is Yes because you yourself stated that you think it's type related:

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So the only other one you could be saying "No" to is:

Is this what you are refering to? Are you saying that No, you don't have an image of me as an SEE? That you don't have an image of me as being a person who wouldn't feel uncomfortable around porn?

Oh wait...nope, you can't be saying No to that..because you DO have an image of me as SEE, and you pretty much stated that you have an image of me as being a person who wouldn't feel uncomfortable around porn. Not in so many words...but
pretty much sums it up.
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Oh, maybe you were saying No to the claim about you refusing to consider that your image of me is erred. Well...actions will tell.

Nope, you are so misreading me. You don't get me. And nope, I don't want to review. It just gets worse and worse with explaining, don't you get that? I accept that we don't think alike but you do not. Its like you think its some other thing. Its not. You know what? It just looks like different uses of basic Socionics functions!

I'll go over one point, the first one. But I don't think there will be meeting of minds but I will just try this and maybe I will be wrong!

Your first point. Its NOT that I "think not" because I never asked you. I had a thought. Do you ask permission or request more information before you have a thought? I think not! I made a simple assumption based on your posts on this forum. THEN I immediately asked you. "Am I right?" In other words: "I see this about you. Correct me if I am wrong."

So all you have to do is say:

1) Yes! I have the SAME reaction to gore and porn! I am right there with you!".

Or:

2) "No, that's the not reaction I would have."

Why not just answer the question? Instead its like you want to pick a fight.

Why?

I just
do
not
get
it.
10-19-2013, 04:54 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Nope, you are so misreading me. You don't get me. And nope, I don't want to review. It just gets worse and worse with explaining, don't you get that? I accept that we don't think alike but you do not. Its like you think its some other thing. Its not. You know what? It just looks like different uses of basic Socionics functions!

I'll go over one point, the first one. But I don't think there will be meeting of minds but I will just try this and maybe I will be wrong!

Your first point. Its NOT that I "think not" because I never asked you. I had a thought. Do you ask permission or request more information before you have a thought? I think not! I made a simple assumption based on your posts on this forum. THEN I immediately asked you. "Am I right?" In other words: "I see this about you. Correct me if I am wrong."

So all you have to do is say:

1) Yes! I have the SAME reaction to gore and porn! I am right there with you!".

Or:

2) "No, that's the not reaction I would have."

Why not just answer the question? Instead its like you want to pick a fight.

Why?

I just
do
not
get
it.

why do you bother? :)
10-19-2013, 04:56 AM
Eliza Thomason

Quote:

Originally Posted by anndelise

@Geminatronix, would you like me to request a thread split so that my disagreements with Eliza don't clutter up your VI thread?

Not a type related comment just personally, if I start a thread and people go off on some tangent it doesn't bother me. I know it does bother some. But not me,...
10-19-2013, 05:01 AM
Eliza Thomason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

why do you bother? :)

I don't know its probably related to some past shards of codependecy.... Or 2w1 gone mad...
10-19-2013, 05:05 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

I'll go over one point, the first one. But I don't think there will be meeting of minds but I will just try this and maybe I will be wrong!

Trying to relate is so me :)

But she's a Static Se, held position which she does not allow to be challenged by an external force especially when she wants to uphold her (I mean HER) position. She will use any method possible because she's mobilized to achieve a goal...that may be to bring you down honey.
10-19-2013, 05:18 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

No, it is not. Delta NFs are not inherently frail, opposed to porn, unable to cope with violence, or whatever else you are trying to argue here. These are all your very own.

She was talking about feeling not the specifics again you baffle me.

*I need headache medicine*
10-19-2013, 05:22 AM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

The thing is I would have no issue with Maritsa or Eliza if it were not for their trying to convince others that they are particular types and laud it about in public, waving it under peoples noses with their own in the air. I do not hold it against them in any particular way if anything I feel sorry for them as it comes across as quite desperate. How you can justify that (approx) one third of all female members here are SEE is beyond me. I find it quite damaging to the individuals concerned. Many people do take it personally and it can be upsetting. I imagine that a lot of the IEE's Maritsa and clique re-diagnose as SEE are actually upset because to us IEE folk (and many others) it is very important that people see us as genuine and our quest is one of understanding ourselves and others and experiencing things in true form. And how is it possible to do this when you are being accused of not understanding yourself and of being incapable of understanding what they, the elite, are suggesting is beyond your grasp.

The Se thread was really to see how the VI thread could manifest in terms of certain persons typing others as Se ego. It is also a way for me (and hopefully some others too) to garner further insight into socionics, the relationships/communications between different types and how it is perceived by them as individuals and how that then influences a group mentality.

I did not however intend of turing this into a public feud, I'd prefer to keep it clean and resist petty insults.

Edit: I wrote this post 'on the fly', I have been having lots of thoughts regarding this for some time but now seemed an apt time to share some of them.

Eliza, Handi, SSmall, Stan and I all get along because we don't make harsh judgements of people and their positions like you do in a way that stands to discredit their authority (power dynamics much?).

YOU STARTED THIS THREAD. THIS IS THE CONTRADICTORY NATURE OF SEE WITH TI POLR
10-19-2013, 05:27 AM
Beautiful sky

Hum...you were right Eliza...with the post I read of hers and how she addresses you and I and what positions we hold in public it is all Se and I'm confirming with that being final. SEE.
10-19-2013, 05:29 AM
anndelise

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Your first point. Its NOT that I "think not" because I never asked you. I had a thought. Do you ask permission or request more information before you have a thought? I think not! I made a simple assumption based on your posts on this forum. THEN I immediately asked you. "Am I right?" In other words: "I see this about you. Correct me if I am wrong."

It is estimated that 93% of communication is nonverbal. As such, it's unsurprising when there are misreadings of another's nonverbal communication. IF what you wrote here is true, then I apologize for misreading your "think not" and "type related" comments.

To answer:
Even though I have spent time observing people in different sexual practices, porn and most sexual things create 'icky' feelings in me. I can theoretically talk about sexual practices and the psychologies involved, and even joke some, but I have had to spend a lot of time desensitizing myself as an emotional protective measure. Even in romance books I usually skip the sex scenes. I have even ended relationships because I would not tolerate porn in the home.

As for gore. I'm having difficulty remembering the last movie/show i saw which had a lot of blood, deaths and such. Perhaps that vampire show with sukie? Or that "winter is coming" one...i don't remember how much gore/violence it has. I tend to ignore those parts or even roll my eyes if they are there just for gore value and not necessary to the story. I'm usually not focused on the things on the screen, but the relationships, motives, and events. I want to know why someone did something and how they felt when they did it, or when they experienced something. What is it like to be in their shoes? How will they handle the fall out? etc. The psychological aspects. I have not seen schindler's list because I thought it might be too intense psychologically for me, considering the subject matter. I've recently thought that maybe i should watch schindler's list, but if it has unnecessary violence in the story, then I probably won't. I've had no desire to see spartacus.
10-19-2013, 12:24 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

I don't see any other type except for P for 100%certain on this and I'm not changing that one. She's definitely an S and I don't type any other except for that. Again I'm leaning strongly towards the following thus far

ISTp
ISFp
ESTp
ESFp

I just don't see N anywhere.

Actually Maritsa you do not see the woods for the trees. Trees from seeds you have planted in your own mind already. It's ok, I don't take it personally, as afore mentioned this was more an experiment to see how yours and others minds works in relation to typing people. I wanted to identify the patterns you use, most of these are emotional responses of yours just fyi. You linked me to a site which you use to identify people, a source. On that site there was a test, a test by your own admission is inaccurate. This does make your typing style appear inaccurate by proxy.

I don't want to convince you of my type at all, it's not what i was going for, i'm not trying to win an argument I'm observing in order to identify patterns.

I wonder what you think the population breakdown for types actually is? Could you give me a rough idea of what you think the breakdown percentage wise is.... it would help me understand your own criteria. I have wondered if you think only the most abstract of speakers can be Ne but then i look at people you have typed as IEE and again I'm back to thinking it really is the females you have difficulty with. You are more willing to accept males as IEE, which is interesting.

Reading Jung's descriptions I can see how there is room for interpretation but even in pure Jung I personally identify a lot of Ne users on this forum.

So anyway, I would like to converse with you on this and am most interested in your idea of how society works with socionics types. Please explain it to me now that I have your attention.

Edit: In ref to another post you made in this thread, I don't think I have addressed Eliza personally.

Edit 2: In short; The 'guy' is Mind, He is most likely ILI. A couple of people here have guessed at SLI for him (I think this is because people have seen our interaction on tinychat and guessed we were duals) and maybe one or two have suggested delta nf. He has the most obvious Ni gaze I have ever seen and I'm certain of this for my own perception. Our communication is fairly effortless we have been talking for hours on end nearly ever day for approx a year without argument and constant interest in each others conversations, we did talk a lot before that too. We have a connection that is above and beyond what I am able to describe in words which was there well before we ever met in person.I have always felt an attraction to his voice which is very soothing and have had some intangible knowing that he will be in my life for a long time.Our conversation topics are diverse.
10-19-2013, 12:27 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by anndelise

@Geminatronix, would you like me to request a thread split so that my disagreements with Eliza don't clutter up your VI thread?

Sure, I'd be happy with that. Not really so bothered personally but it might make it easier for others.
10-19-2013, 01:13 PM
InvisibleJim

Huxley has some very direct viewpoints on the how the world should be, just like Napoleon. I think Maritsa is confused because she doesn't understand that Huxley waits on someone else to 'act' on their viewpoints.

All of the women in this thread in my viewpoint are equally stubborn; however, being stubborn is no bad thing.

What do I win?
10-19-2013, 01:27 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisibleJim

Huxley has some very direct viewpoints on the how the world should be, just like Napoleon. I think Maritsa is confused because she doesn't understand that Huxley waits on someone else to 'act' on their viewpoints.

All of the women in this thread in my viewpoint are equally stubborn; however, being stubborn is no bad thing.

What do I win?

Constructive mark and possibly some abstract cheesecake. It's very tasty.
10-19-2013, 02:31 PM
InvisibleJim

Never argue with Huxley.
10-19-2013, 03:09 PM
Eliza Thomason

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

Trying to relate is so me :)

But she's a Static Se, held position which she does not allow to be challenged by an external force especially when she wants to uphold her (I mean HER) position. She will use any method possible because she's mobilized to achieve a goal...that may be to bring you down honey.

Oh! Okay! Thanks. This is useful. I was actually hoping for a Socionics explanation. Also add to this we are both Obstinate types....
10-19-2013, 03:27 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Oh! Okay! Thanks. This is useful. I was actually hoping for a Socionics explanation. Also add to this we are both Obstinate types....

Yah Eliza, that will be difficult to find with any consistency.

You even identified my use of Ne, re: the porn thing, I explained it for you using Ne. The problem is you are being fed by a manipulative rewards system in which the game has become us and them. Maritsa, though she probably believes she means well causes a LOT of damage, I want to understand her system as it actually errs pretty far off the beaten track of Jung, Mbti & socionics.

You may continue to type others and I according to some bizarre system that most disagree with, it's not important to me but if you do carry on poking people they will respond. I generally respond when my values/morals are offended or called into question. Since its integral to how I perceive myself I will do this when people try to decide my type for me, as others will.

One important point is that I do not take umbridge with anybody suggesting I am another type, especially if they have a reasonable explanation as to why, I am usually interested in hearing these opinions. When somebody 'tells' me though, that's different because it is said in a light of authority. I discuss happily but I am stubborn as anything if I am told what to do, I have a rebellious streak too.
10-19-2013, 03:41 PM
Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jadae16t

Gem feels like cool, running water to me, whatever that implies on this forum and typology.

I see Gem as the grounded and level-headed IEE I have always wanted to be. :love:
10-19-2013, 06:47 PM
Airman

Geminatronix you look a lot like an Aggressor, I will not make further comments but you seem to be an Aggressor in intimate relationships I mean sex and stuff like that.
10-19-2013, 07:13 PM
Radio

so I took a closer look at Gem's face after loading it up in my shiny new Adobe Photoshop C4 16 special edition 2018 (yet to be released to public). equipped with my vast never ending technological skill-set (and the shiny new SOCIONIZE TECHNOLOGY ® exclusive to the newer versions of photoshop (only available to NASA afaik, sry)) i found something very conspicuous; curious but also extremely unsettling. i advise you to stop reading right now if you have difficulty with my methods as this may only disturb you further.

supposedly if you invert the colors in the photo and chant "om namashiwaai Aushra maa ki jai" 7 times, you can see the N materialize on her face.

http://i.minus.com/ibtmkHzAX0rHIn.png

I KNOW, AMAZING ISN'T IT

i am lost for words. wait, no, found them. welp now that that's settled, who wants to watch me shoot golf balls out of my ass
10-19-2013, 07:32 PM
Name13

GEM IS AN ENFP BUT SHE LOOKS 2 COOL TO BE AN N
10-19-2013, 07:34 PM
InvisibleJim

Copycat.
10-19-2013, 07:39 PM
Airman

ENFP ? with this Ti-focused and intense eyes she has? Impossible for a type with Ti-PoLR.
any Gamma/Beta Aggressor type.
10-19-2013, 07:51 PM
Absurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Air

Geminatronix you look a lot like an Aggressor, I will not make further comments but you seem to be an Aggressor in intimate relationships I mean sex and stuff like that.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Air

ENFP ? with this Ti-focused and intense eyes she has? Impossible for a type with Ti-PoLR.
any Gamma/Beta Aggressor type.

I will not make further comments as well, but what from what I can remember you were pretty outspoken when it came to "sex and stuff like that", so that would mean you're both Gamma/Beta.

You have a choice, though. Not unless you consider SLI aggressors...
10-19-2013, 08:11 PM
Beautiful sky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

Actually Maritsa you do not see the woods for the trees. Trees from seeds you have planted in your own mind already. It's ok, I don't take it personally, as afore mentioned this was more an experiment to see how yours and others minds works in relation to typing people. I wanted to identify the patterns you use, most of these are emotional responses of yours just fyi. You linked me to a site which you use to identify people, a source. On that site there was a test, a test by your own admission is inaccurate. This does make your typing style appear inaccurate by proxy.

I don't want to convince you of my type at all, it's not what i was going for, i'm not trying to win an argument I'm observing in order to identify patterns.

I wonder what you think the population breakdown for types actually is? Could you give me a rough idea of what you think the breakdown percentage wise is.... it would help me understand your own criteria. I have wondered if you think only the most abstract of speakers can be Ne but then i look at people you have typed as IEE and again I'm back to thinking it really is the females you have difficulty with. You are more willing to accept males as IEE, which is interesting.

Reading Jung's descriptions I can see how there is room for interpretation but even in pure Jung I personally identify a lot of Ne users on this forum.

So anyway, I would like to converse with you on this and am most interested in your idea of how society works with socionics types. Please explain it to me now that I have your attention.

Edit: In ref to another post you made in this thread, I don't think I have addressed Eliza personally.

Edit 2: In short; The 'guy' is Mind, He is most likely ILI. A couple of people here have guessed at SLI for him (I think this is because people have seen our interaction on tinychat and guessed we were duals) and maybe one or two have suggested delta nf. He has the most obvious Ni gaze I have ever seen and I'm certain of this for my own perception. Our communication is fairly effortless we have been talking for hours on end nearly ever day for approx a year without argument and constant interest in each others conversations, we did talk a lot before that too. We have a connection that is above and beyond what I am able to describe in words which was there well before we ever met in person.I have always felt an attraction to his voice which is very soothing and have had some intangible knowing that he will be in my life for a long time.Our conversation topics are diverse.

So typical SEE behavior. You tell them something's wrong with them but that it's "ok" and you accept them? Wow, how interesting.
10-19-2013, 10:37 PM
InvisibleJim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

So typical SEE behavior. You tell them something's wrong with them but that it's "ok" and you accept them? Wow, how interesting.

No, thats Delta-humanitarian behaviour.
10-19-2013, 11:02 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maritsa

So typical SEE behavior. You tell them something's wrong with them but that it's "ok" and you accept them? Wow, how interesting.

You didn't answer the questions. Could you please as I have answered all that you have asked me. Thanks
10-19-2013, 11:03 PM
Narc

I for one would really like to see what population distribution @Maritsa thinks the types have.
10-19-2013, 11:10 PM
Airman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absurd

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I will not make further comments as well, but what from what I can remember you were pretty outspoken when it came to "sex and stuff like that", so that would mean you're both Gamma/Beta.

You have a choice, though. Not unless you consider SLI aggressors...

Actually, although at that period far back in time I was just trolling this forum because of the overall situation, I did say some very direct and intense things about sex in order to both make fun of this forum and to shock people.
Nevertheless, I have been considering ISTj for me, so what you're saying is not something that I disagree entirely.
EDIT: Plus, then being ISTj, I will be an Aggressor along with Geminatronix, we will possess each other in sadistic manners and we will be happy like you, boring Caregiver, will never be, haha!!!
10-20-2013, 09:32 AM
Absurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Air

Actually, although at that period far back in time I was just trolling this forum because of the overall situation, I did say some very direct and intense things about sex in order to both make fun of this forum and to shock people.

EDIT: Plus, then being ISTj, I will be an Aggressor along with Geminatronix, we will possess each other in sadistic manners and we will be happy like you, boring Caregiver, will never be, haha!!!

Good for you - I would rather have sex than talk about it (something people (including you) seem to not to get on this forum), I'm such a caregiver. So yeah, continue talking.

Westerners and breaking taboos, lul...

"Shocking" people left and right, lul...
10-20-2013, 07:15 PM
DaftPunk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft21

http://www.socionics.us/philosophy/t...ribution.shtml

I give you facts I'll wait for yours

Edit: I am aware of stochastics error calculation

@Maritsa still waiting for some stuff about type distribution
10-20-2013, 07:41 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft21

@Maritsa still waiting for some stuff about type distribution

Yah, i feel quite sad because i do put in a lot of energy into my interaction with Maritsa and answer any questions she has. But when I ask her for information regarding her own hypothesis and theories she clams up. :( @Maritsa, you have the spotlight, time to shine some light on this.
10-21-2013, 10:21 PM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis

Aww, you look cute. I was going to tell you to post a pic of your neck from the side, but you've done that already. XD

Lol, no VI guesstimate though?
10-21-2013, 10:49 PM
Cuddly McFluffles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminatronix

Lol, no VI guesstimate though?

Nope. Not really my thing.
10-22-2013, 03:26 AM
fairylights

At first I was happy because there were pictures of pretty Gem but now I see it's turned into yet another bout of Delta NF™ against the world. Boo.
Anyway, I know nothing of VI so I will desist from saying your profile looks static or whatever.

/helpful
10-22-2013, 07:28 AM
SyrupDeGem

Quote:

Originally Posted by derpface

At first I was happy because there were pictures of pretty Gem but now I see it's turned into yet another bout of Delta NF™ against the world. Boo.
Anyway, I know nothing of VI so I will desist from saying your profile looks static or whatever.

/helpful

Sowy. :( Come back to Nf land, I miss you.

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