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hey @glam when are you going to thread split the personal attacks from some moderators and members and label them all 'trolls'?
Mods can't be trolls, Jim. Anyway, I'm in it now, so this thread is bound to get split - I just have to think which member to tickle first.
I didn't realize it was okay for you to be offensive and abusive to members but not for me or others that you dislike.
You should definitely sticky this thread Kim, it's an undisputed bible on Delta relationships :rolleyes:
You could always be the bigger lady and apologise for being rude and aggressive towards Eliza, because even if you don't like her and most of the people here don't, she has a right to contribute even if it mostly says 'Bible' on her posts. Most people here have a number of people who disagree with their self-typing and big wow, because it's socionics. If she doesn't know socionics very well then surely you could help her to understand what she doesn't know in a constructive way.
No-one can be trolls, because 39% of the judging criteria don't apply to an internet forum!
Applying defamatory statements about a person is abusive. If I approached you and said, "You're a smug, arrogant, passive aggressive and underhanded person", I would have been accused of being abusive from you and your kin. So that's abusive.
Of course these statements are no more abusive than is normal on this forum, but moderators, legitimacy begins at home.
Those statements referred to very specific posts and actions, not to the person as a whole. It is arrogant to claim that certain types are not capable of working through theory. It is also underhanded and passive aggressive to use someone's thread in a veiled attempt to retype that person. I commented on the action here.
And yes, sometimes people come across as smug (you and I am sure me included). None of this is abusive.
No need to apologize Anndelise. You in fact are one of my favourite people here on the forum and are definitely never an annoyance.
I realize that a lot of what's occurred in this thread is a spill over from other threads and can be really helpful for typing purposes.
Sometimes though when communication is broken down with another or just plain dislike is there then that ignore function can come in handy for a time but sorry it's got to this point for you and Eliza.
We'll get something to soothe your eyes and aid your recovery, asap!
http://mybeautybinge.com/wp-content/...-bath-robe.jpg
Lovely change in topic from whatever those swarming things are.
Interesting what you say about IEE being particular about so many things aligning. I guess I am that way. When I met SLI, I already knew so much aligned from our years of writing.
Yes, activity relations are good. Especially when you do stuff together. With my LSE brother, putting on a big holiday meal together is nice since we work along side each other well, or better yet, when we cross country ski sometimes in the winter.
Thanks, this is the truth! Extremely aggreesive is not an exaggeration, apparently. Its exhausting. I need Delta-NF peace and love. Seriously. Peace and love mark the Delta NFs I know and not aggression. That is my experience.
Clearly! But why?? :confused: Thats what is puzzling.
Oh, my gosh, I got some peace and love this week. Some maybe Delta peace and love from my new friend who is maybe IEE. Theother was Alpha peace adn love from my old freind who is SEI.
SEI offered to help me with my heaps and heaps of sewing projects that I got myself too deep in with my too much inspiration. I didn't ask her. It never occurred to me to. But she has done this before, offering me help. She is such a genuinely caring, kind and helpful person! I drove to her country house with my sewing machine and she joined me with her sewing machine in a marathon. So encouraging. Her ILE husband was home and he is so awesome. I love them. Her offer to help me was such a gift. She is the most sympathetic and dear person ever.
My other worry this week has been my plan to haul a U-Haul when I see SLI this week. But I have never hauled a trailer and this is not feeling like an adventure at all - I just felt dread. Even though it was my idea (I have furniture I am bringing for staging). New IEE(?) friend called as she is staying here while I go, and I talked about my need to find the best price for a hitch and have it installed before i can go, and she said, "You know, my Rav4 has a hitch, why don't I drive alongside you and haul your stuff?" Can you believe that? Its nearly 6 hours from here! Who offers that?? She is an extremely faith filled person, one reason we are fast friends when we just met, since I can so relate to her faith journey, (in her case, her cancer bout strengthened her faith). I know she likes to live service but I never woudl have dreamed of asking anyone to do this for me.
She drove me today to pick up a mattress I am bringing from a discount store. When they were tying it to her roof rack, she said, "You know, why don't I just drive it down there today, and come back, since I am already off work this weekend?" (She had thought of taking the day off this week for me!).
Well I talked her out of driving today; she is driving in the morning. She helped me see I could save money on the trailer by eliminating two things ["Ok, Jesus", I said to her as I am acknowleging God sent me to her and I believe is helping me and is speaking to me through her. Then I cannot believe how much we fit in her Rav4 when we packed it up tonight. She leaves in the morning. I still am in awe. And I am so thankful to God because I have been frozen with worry sometimes this past month wondering how I was going to take all this on. Applejacks and others suggested I get help to get things done, and that was Jesus again probably but I didn't hear them. So He had to send me two people to offer their help.
I can hardly believe the two things I was so worried about are all taken care of now. God is so good.
As IEE(?) pulled out with her RAV filled with my stuff, I was feeling like I do not deserve this. But then, its not about me, but about who God is.
Yes, my sweet mirror. Peace in our hearts, love in our minds. I give my IEE friend several hugs a day to remind her that I'm there for her and that I love her. :hug: you too :)
Because like you said they can't see themselves well, they can't see their aggression and they don't accept it, neither can they identify the descriptions to themselves and their perception of the world, always wanted to be something socially different. Not all of them just a few.
Thank you for the excellent simple explanation, Ryene. Yes, that is what I thought it was, too, except for me it was just an impression, one I was sure of, and you put it in just the right words.
Thanks for the correction, you're right. When I type fast I put it in all-caps. Then I edit and put in the lower-case. That time I forget to edit that part. (I am not a perfect typer, and do a lot of editing).
-- Re: Scapegrace's ugliness
Ick.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
-- [re: squark's ugliness]
ISTJ's just get me so well!
Aggression, much? And so ugly.
Peace and love.
@Maritsa, just to keep things fair, you have had your share of aggressive behavior. You have called posters "stupid" and "bitch," etc., and you have ranted and raved in chat.
So either Delta NFs can be aggressive, too (those delicate peace-loving fairies) or you are not EII.
@Eliza Thomason, I am not aggressive about wanting to be IEE and I am perfectly fine with you being IEE even if I often do not relate to you. There could very well a subtype divide here. I have never doubted I am IEE and my type has never been seriously questioned. However, there are people who think I am a different type (Gilly thinks I am ESE) and that's fine, too. It's the agenda of claiming all that is Delta NF and not allowing for Delta NFs that are not like you that bothers me. I am also bothered by the passive aggressiveness of taking a thread I opened and innocently stating that IEEs couldn't possibly like gore, right (however, no reference to my thread). What is the point of this? Why not make it a direct question with reference to my thread? (Passive) aggressiveness comes in all shapes and sizes. Maritsa has been openly aggressive in the past numerous times. You are passive aggressive at times.
There is re-typing someone because you honestly have an opinion and there is re-typing because it is some sort of weapon: "if she is a different type, her argument cannot be valid because she doesn't get it." I feel like with your attempt to retype us, it's a bit of both. The fun of socionics is that although people might share a type, they might not, for example, share an enneagram type. I am a 7w6 and you are something else, that will make us different even if we both process information primarily through NeFi. When I go to my home country, I find IEEs to be slightly different than they are here. And so on. I honestly wish you could meet me in real life. You would be surprised I think.
This has nothing to do with liking someone. I found a particular post extremely arrogant and I said so. Maybe I could have said it better and more nicely, but I don't always have the time. I try to explain, but I get annoyed when I my words are dismissed as those of a different type who just can't get it. I don't think I have been openly hostile towards her and I don't mind her focus on religion. The one time I objected was when I felt she whitewashed the catholic church, but that was not a way to dismiss her religion (and I have a feeling that she understood what I wanted to say).
You can only explain things when people are open to hearing and applying them, even if for just a moment. I can explain how my Si-seeking manifests or how I process information through NeFi. But when I see her and Maritsa huddle up and talk about "these aggressive SEEs who want to be IEEs because they don't understand themselves," I really lose my desire to explain anything (which is good because this place needs cleaned).
Not looking at the argument nor do i want to rekindle the fire. Just wanted to agree that delta nf's can be aggressive. Corner me/maul my partner/upset my values and you'll find me become damn aggressive pretty damn quickly.
Woofwoofl is going to have to check whether there are any aggressive SEE in this thread or not.
Understanding is a two way street, but I agree that Eliza and Maritsa are overzealous and are impossible to reason with. However, most of the participants here are not reasonable either.
The only unique characteristic of Delta NFs in relationships informal and formal that I can identify is that they will never admit to being unreasonable. Other types can be very direct about being so.
Retyping has been a weapon that has been used on this forum for years. What's different this time?
Bishop says religious freedom under attack in America
http://ncronline.org/news/politics/b...attack-america
She has also told people to die, and/or that she hopes they die.
And she has a long history of stalking Delta NFs on (and from what I've heard, even off socionics forums), and attacking them when they dare to show themselves back on this forum.
Edited to add: here's an example of Maritsa's aggressiveness:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...874#post928874
In Post #26 I included what her original response was which she then edited in her post #25. If anyone needs it, I can post a snapshot of the original post notification from my email.
What. On. Earth. has happened here? You guys need to relax. Mhm.
LOL
LOL. And you are then saying we fit right in here? Thank you for stroking our (less-valued) Fe. Very kind of you. :)
Well, maybe. :)
To me "retyping" seems a perfectly normal thing to do on this forum. Its a forum about type. Its normal to read what people they write and evaluate it in terms of type and point out what one thinks are indiscrepancies, or suggest a re-type here. I see its being taken as a personal attack here, but its not meant that way.
You'll find out soon enough posting more in this thread.
It may be taken as a personal attack knowing that some people established some interpersonal bonds with each other, and providing they're stable, the bonds between two individuals (or more), which is fine with me, re-typing may be seen as an legitimate attempt at breaking such by one or more individuals being the "target" of such practices, especially if it is done under the guise of a "correct typing" what does sound quite subjective to me.
Maritsa may have had overlooked that while re-typing people on this forum and waving "it" in their faces in many threads. Besides, last time I checked this isn't a subforum solely dedicated to "whack a person with another type" - there is another subforum where people do that. And by the looks of it, people self-typing Delta NF in the number of two: Maritsa and mikemex pave the way. You might want to join them and I shall look at it after, the list I mean.
Absurd on, troll off!
Nice thread, I thought it was only the Se quadras who were meant to be at each others.
Eliza, let's just be our own Delta NFs together <3 and not worry about anyone else and their opinion of us.