Is incompetent and irresponsible a SEE/ESFp trait?

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Assumptions! No, her ancestry appears to be the usual American mix. Looks German, has an Italian last name. [acts Canadian, my son says...].

She's not fired yet but just got confirmation of a replacement who can start next week! I am so glad. Now I need a couple of days to find out how to let her know nicely. She is in complete denial she could have POSSIBLY had ANYTHING to do at ALL with the broken screens. OR the FIVE mini-blinds that custom fit the unusually-sized extra-long windows we have -- I didn't mention those here and how now I have large rectangular black holes staring at me at night now. Yes, two mini-blinds broken and removed from past times she stayed with my Mom while I went to SLI's (in next state), and three more the same day she ruined the screens. Nothing. They were "deteriorated!" "Old!" "Already broken." "15 years old is old!" (age of this house...) I guess 15-years-old things are supposed to spontaneously fall apart all by by their little lonesome....

So I don't see the point in insisting she sees reality. She lives outside of reality in so many other ways, too, so I don't see the point in making her see. My INFJ friend thinks I should make it clear to her she is not fooling me. But I just want to be briefly honest with why I am letting her go (so many reasons - the breaking stuff and not feeling a bit of responsibility, making me have to bear all the consequences every time, and I need a caregiver who actually likes Mom or at least feels a calling to be kind and helpful to old persons) and yet not burn any bridges.... I will certainly emphasize that her showing up on time consistently has been a great benefit to me and that I very much feel appreciative of that....

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You could have fired your slave-worker from the start.

You didn't. You wanted to do this thread. You wanted to bitch about SEEs.

You're a bitch. Plain and simple. You're the problem, not them. You can hire all the cheap labor you want, but that won't change the fact of what you are, a bitch.

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Originally Posted by Kill4Me

You could have fired your slave-worker from the start.

You didn't. You wanted to do this thread. You wanted to bitch about SEEs.

You're a bitch. Plain and simple. You're the problem, not them. You can hire all the cheap labor you want, but that won't change the fact of what you are, a bitch.

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At least I'm not ugly!

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

Assumptions! No, her ancestry appears to be the usual American mix. Looks German, has an Italian last name. [acts Canadian, my son says...].

She's not fired yet but just got confirmation of a replacement who can start next week! I am so glad. Now I need a couple of days to find out how to let her know nicely. She is in complete denial she could have POSSIBLY had ANYTHING to do at ALL with the broken screens. OR the FIVE mini-blinds that custom fit the unusually-sized extra-long windows we have -- I didn't mention those here and how now I have large rectangular black holes staring at me at night now. Yes, two mini-blinds broken and removed from past times she stayed with my Mom while I went to SLI's (in next state), and three more the same day she ruined the screens. Nothing. They were "deteriorated!" "Old!" "Already broken." "15 years old is old!" (age of this house...) I guess 15-years-old things are supposed to spontaneously fall apart all by by their little lonesome....

So I don't see the point in insisting she sees reality. She lives outside of reality in so many other ways, too, so I don't see the point in making her see. My INFJ friend thinks I should make it clear to her she is not fooling me. But I just want to be briefly honest with why I am letting her go (so many reasons - the breaking stuff and not feeling a bit of responsibility, making me have to bear all the consequences every time, and I need a caregiver who actually likes Mom or at least feels a calling to be kind and helpful to old persons) and yet not burn any bridges.... I will certainly emphasize that her showing up on time consistently has been a great benefit to me and that I very much feel appreciative of that....

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lol @acts canadian

I think it was the right decision when you don't get along at all with a person you have to be so close with it's better to fire her. The question is no who's fault was it.
I hope you did not make her liable($) for the broken stuff though.

I can understand that some might be offended by the title of the thread but @Kill4Me you went to far calling her bitch just because she released someone who worked in her hause because she didn't get along with her.

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Originally Posted by Daft21

I can understand that some might be offended by the title of the thread but Kill4Me you went to far calling her bitch just because she released someone who worked in her hause because she didn't get along with her.

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Shhh. I brought popcorn. :D

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Originally Posted by Daft21

lol @acts canadian.

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:)

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Originally Posted by Daft21

I think it was the right decision when you don't get along at all with a person you have to be so close with it's better to fire her. The question is no who's fault was it.
I hope you did not make her liable($) for the broken stuff though.

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Naw. My budget is very tight and this is an uncomfortable hit, but hers is tighter. Anyway I can write it up as a costly way to make the change I should have made a long time ago, and find someone who likes my Mom and likes old people. I found two!

I considered letting her know I wasn't comfortable with her not taking personal responsibility, that I would feel better about it if she took ANY responsibility for it (not financial, just admitting), and other related conversations. But she would deny it and perhaps feel persecuted and unappreciated, so, what for? I also realize she is not disrespectful of my stuff particularly, she is just sloppy with stuff in general. Her own stuff, too, I am sure. I want to focus on how I am grateful I am that she has been so readily available and always on time. It seems the timing is right to just phase her out without having to say in any way, "You weren't good enough."

And one of the women I talked with is happy to housesit when I am away for a month this summer, so my cat has company. She just realized she has been stuck in a rut 11 years in her tiny studio apartment and is not going to renew her lease. This will be a breather in between. Roomy, air-conditioned, landscaped, and all to herself. And sparkling clean since I have some weeks to clean it before she comes.. No pets of her own to worry about - her cat just died!

God is good!

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

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Naw. My budget is very tight and this is an uncomfortable hit, but hers is tighter. Anyway I can write it up as a costly way to make the change I should have made a long time ago, and find someone who likes my Mom and likes old people. I found two!

I considered letting her know I wasn't comfortable with her not taking personal responsibility, that I would feel better about it if she took ANY responsibility for it (not financial, just admitting), and other related conversations. But she would deny it and perhaps feel persecuted and unappreciated, so, what for? I also realize she is not disrespectful of my stuff particularly, she is just sloppy with stuff in general. Her own stuff, too, I am sure. I want to focus on how I am grateful I am that she has been so readily available and always on time. It seems the timing is right to just phase her out without having to say in any way, "You weren't good enough."

And one of the women I talked with is happy to housesit when I am away for a month this summer, so my cat has company. She just realized she has been stuck in a rut 11 years in her tiny studio apartment and is not going to renew her lease. This will be a breather in between. Roomy, air-conditioned, landscaped, and all to herself. And sparkling clean since I have some weeks to clean it before she comes.. No pets of her own to worry about - her cat just died!

God is good!

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whatta bitch

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

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I hope you're putting Kill4Me on ignore. You should.

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

My INFJ friend thinks I should make it clear to her she is not fooling me. But I just want to be briefly honest with why I am letting her go (so many reasons - the breaking stuff and not feeling a bit of responsibility, making me have to bear all the consequences every time, and I need a caregiver who actually likes Mom or at least feels a calling to be kind and helpful to old persons) and yet not burn any bridges.... I will certainly emphasize that her showing up on time consistently has been a great benefit to me and that I very much feel appreciative of that....

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Your INFj friend is saying this out of suspicion; it's not very objective; I wouldn't have a cause or concern to be suspicious, although I can see why your friend is coming to that conclusion and part of me, the part that's primal, agrees with her. I'm looking at it more psychologically and socionically and I would say that there's no reason to be suspicious of her; she's just being herself and it turns out that herself just isn't a good fit for this job.

Also, your INFj friend sounds like an Ne subtype :)

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

Your INFj friend is saying this out of suspicion; it's not very objective; I wouldn't have a cause or concern to be suspicious, although I can see why your friend is coming to that conclusion and part of me, the part that's primal, agrees with her. I'm looking at it more psychologically and socionically and I would say that there's no reason to be suspicious of her; she's just being herself and it turns out that herself just isn't a good fit for this job.

Also, your INFj friend sounds like an Ne subtype :)

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like I already told 4p...you're a lousy typer.

just about the entire fucking forum ignores you.

you self-deluded dunce.

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Originally Posted by Kill4Me

like I already told 4p...you're a lousy typer.

just about the entire fucking forum ignores you.

you self-deluded dunce.

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At least I don't go around the forum bad mouthing people for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

At least I don't go around the forum bad mouthing people for no reason.

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yeah you just make rumors up about people for no fucking reason.

you have the most wooden grasp of psychological material of any body on this forum.

your license to think much less do socionics ought to be permanently revoked.

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Originally Posted by Kill4Me

yeah you just make rumors up about people for no fucking reason.

you have the most wooden grasp of psychological material of any body on this forum.

your license to think much less do socionics ought to be permanently revoked.

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A rumor? About you? Shouldn't the person who you think I'm making a rumor up respond directly to me rather than having minyans be sent after me to do so? lol

Ok so what's your beef with me and would you rather take this to PM?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

I hope you're putting Kill4Me on ignore. You should.

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No, I am going to report it. What type is she anyone? I mean other than than juvenile. She reminds me of that Duncan Donuts customer that is going viral right now.

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

At least I'm not ugly!

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I doubt that :whistle:

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

No, I am going to report it. What type is she anyone? I mean other than than juvenile. She reminds me of that Duncan Donuts customer that is going viral right now.

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ILI.

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Originally Posted by Absurd

ILI.

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I realize I know 3 ILIs now because my dentist is one. They are all real nice.

What type do you think the Donut Rant Girl is? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...l-video-856341

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

I realize I know 3 ILIs now because my dentist is one. They are all real nice.

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Ehhh, looks I was wrong then.

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What type do you think the Donut Rant Girl is?

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Lacking foresight schizophrenic Sociotype - I want to say Beta...

And to think all that commotion while she's filming food porno starring piss and shit in food wanting to get famous after posting in on youtube, and facebook, to delete facebook - so much wasted effort and talent. Only in America.

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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason

No, I am going to report it. What type is she anyone? I mean other than than juvenile. She reminds me of that Duncan Donuts customer that is going viral right now.

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Yeah, reporting someone while insulting them, nice job.

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Originally Posted by Words

Yeah, reporting someone while insulting them, nice job.

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Tarot cards.

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Originally Posted by Absurd

Tarot cards.

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Maybe Eliza will report you for spam. Fuck.

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Originally Posted by Words

Maybe Eliza will report you for spam. Fuck.

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You wrote maybe. And this is the second thread you show up at and derail it.

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Originally Posted by Absurd

You wrote maybe. And this is the second thread you show up at and derail it.

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No way man, I posted to a completely different person, and YOU posted me with mumbo jumbo, i'm keeping track.

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Originally Posted by Words

No way man, I posted to a completely different person, and YOU posted me with mumbo jumbo, i'm keeping track.

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Oh I'm sorry Words, my mistake. I was about to reply to myself seeing myself arguing with Eliza, so I can argue with myself and prove how of a complete and utter idiot I am, but it turns out I replied to you.

Sorry very much...

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Originally Posted by Absurd

Oh I'm sorry Words, my mistake. I was about to reply to myself seeing myself arguing with Eliza, so I can argue with myself and prove how of a complete and utter idiot I am, but it turns out I replied to you.

Sorry very much...

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Leave me alone then and no need to put either on ignore, put me on ignore if you're not capable of self-control....

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Originally Posted by Anglas

I doubt that :whistle:

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She's gorgeous; ^ didn't you just make yourself embarrassed LOL

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Originally Posted by Words

Leave me alone then and no need to put either on ignore, put me on ignore if you're not capable of self-control....

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Hey, Chris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

I didn't think those were particular to SEE types. I definately have difficulty with sorting washing and taking personal care of items. It's not because i don't care if i break or loose things just that i put little value in material things naturally so i have to put a lot of effort into being neat and tidy when it's required and i find that tireing.

I would not be a cleaner or a house looker afterer i'd certainly avoid it). I can see myself going round and having chats with elderly people, maybe taking them to do their groceries/out to the theatre etc. I know my limits.

The woman in the vid is unhinged. I doubt she even cares how hypocritical, aggressive, bullying and lots of ism's she is being. She has that 'i can do what i like and i won't justify it to you or anyone else biach' attitude. Honestly, i hope she gets arrested... that poor man did not know where to put himself. The guy behind the counter was so nice to her too, i doubt i would have kept my cool.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa

She's gorgeous; ^ didn't you just make yourself embarrassed LOL

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Nahh, I have no idea how she looks.

No. Incompetency and irresponsibility are not traits that can be associated with all ESFps. I've known plenty of them who were very hard-working people, and even some whom I'd say worked way too much. Try not to overgeneralize based on a single (or even a few) negative personal experiences.