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Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
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Originally Posted by Finale
How is that Te?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finale
Even ESE people? Holly moly!Quote:
Originally Posted by William
Socionics.com never dies. It's like a zombie...
Hitta SLI as a fox
Please drop Wikisocion. For your sake and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
That part about the eight function being used only for fun is very questionable. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else. And I'm afraid you're taking it too literally.
brb shooting myself in the mouthQuote:
Originally Posted by blackburry
Yup - I studied both esoteric systems of astrology and Socionics during my stay in Tibet and hitta sure does resemble you in great many ways, providing you still self-type SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
I'm known as Omsurd in those circles. Check me out if you don't believe me.
Please, please, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by COOL AND MANLY
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Originally Posted by Radio
You are a close run sober to me drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
Well, imitation is the sincerest form of television...Quote:
Originally Posted by Words
lii is probably good (sorry lab)
i seem to like liis.
(because i'm sei, obviously)
EII/LII
I doubt he is LII, not even Ti ego.
Oh noes. Now Gamma people won't have an excuse to conflict with him. Ehhh.
Ait.
You fucking know he's not LII. Stop being a pain-in-the-ass and misleading people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashton
(You bullshit and lie so often, I don't see how anyone could possibly trust you.)
Surely, you jest..... :lol:
I don't understand how anyone can tolerate being around Ashton. He's such an evil, lying prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by jet city woman
I'm getting Ni-IEI 459 and yeah, not seeing LII or anything IJ whatsoever. I'm gonna fill the fuck outta the typesheet and run the numbers on how many Beta quad peeps I got as at least double-reactive in the Enneagram tritype, I think I'm onto something here. Hitta Ti stuff flows like Ath Ti stuff to me, the chatbox catfight w BnD and Ath felt like Idents getting territorial over the same space kinda like, and they all feel right to me at Ni-IEI.
so. no consensus ? :(
I doubt there will ever be a full consensus concerning anyone's type. Misapplication of typology is imminent when people are involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackburry
Socionics works well only when robots apply it to things like sea monkeys and jelly fish.
Well, that and dental floss dispensers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scapegrace
Asston's getting no-thin' for Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashton
His mommy and his daddy are mad.
Asston's gettin' no-thin' for Christmas.
Cos Asston's been nothin' but bad.
Ouchgurl,youlearnhimgud.Thathurthimalot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jet city woman
It seems deltas and betas wouldn't mind having him in their gang. Anyway, I have to say IEI, probs. I don't think he's a judger, and seems too cloudy (as in he says a lot without actually making a point or actually saying anything in a way that only looks impressive and smart) with his arguments and thoughts and opinions which fits in with what I've noticed IPs seem to do.
No vacancies here. No one gets in, no one gets out. Too many secrets cloud this quadra already.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
This. I've seen many instances where Hitta would contradict himself within the very same post without seemingly noticing it ... his thoughts seem murky and disorganized, his explanations don't offer much clarity, which is not characteristic of LIIs. He is an irrational IP type all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
He did a very good expose of vortical-synergetic thinking back in this thread, such that even korp noticed it a post down, and there are only two introverted types who feature this style: IEI and SLI
I've typed him as IEI sp/sx 9w1, though not going to go into why IEI > SLI. His "everything is connected" theme is very 9-ish in its origins. The enlightened quality attributed to type 9 is the awareness of the interconnectedness of all things, which has featured prominently in hitta's arguments:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ightened-BeingQuote:
The enlightened quality associated with the Nine (who is also known as 'the Mediator') is a capacity for reconciliation of opposites, synthesis, integration … The capacity for reconciliation originates in the appreciation, at the core of one's humanity, of what Thich Nhat Hanh calls 'interbeing', our essential interconnectedness with other human beings and with the rest of the universe.
It is difficult to find English or French words which convey the same meaning as tiep hien . There is a term from the Avatamsaka Sutra, 'interbeing', which conveys the spirit, so we have translated tiep hien as interbeing. In the sutra it is a compound term which means 'mutual' and 'to be'. Interbeing is a new word in English, and I hope it will be accepted. We have talked about the many in the one, and the one containing the many. In one sheet of paper, we see everything else, the cloud, the forest, the logger. I am, therefore you are. You are, therefore I am. That is the meaning of the word 'interbeing'. We inter-are.
That's how most peoples' thoughts are. Since when is clarity and organization any requirement of a psychological process like judging? You continue to prove you don't know what you're talking about. I can name only a couple LIIs who are remotely even like this.
Keep spouting more nonsense. Hitta is an obvious E5 who doesn't even begin to get at the heart of E9 type of behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by siuntal
What I bolded is the essential 9 type:
"Nines are accepting, trusting, and stable. They are usually creative, optimistic, and supportive, but can also be too willing to go along with others to keep the peace. They want everything to go smoothly and be without conflict, but they can also tend to be complacent, simplifying problems and minimizing anything upsetting. They typically have problems with inertia and stubbornness. At their Best: indomitable and all-embracing, they are able to bring people together and heal conflicts.
Key Motivations: Want to create harmony in their environment, to avoid conflicts and tension, to preserve things as they are, to resist whatever would upset or disturb them."
I'm sure hitta would see himself so clearly in descriptions of 9s :8*
Let's look again at probably what is a more accurate representation:
Bolded is the essential 5 type:
"Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way.
Key Motivations: Want to possess knowledge, to understand the environment, to have everything figured out as a way of defending the self from threats from the environment."
This and Jung's Introverted Thinking essentially describe him without all the stereotypical misrepresentations you presume so categorically. I'm sure if you were to look more closely you would see the strong similarity among his Introverted Thinking and other LIIs' here.
As others' pointed out, hitta doesn't possess the well-developed ego Fe of IEIs, I could make hundreds of comparisons merely to forum IEIs that show a striking difference in his response people-skills. He use Fe fairly comfortably, it's just poor/inferior. It's nothing worthy of a feeling type, as I'm sure he would assure you. Look at how EIIs use Te, or how any type uses their DS function. An Ni uses Se fairly easily, it's just poor and brash. Hitta hasn't shown any Se in any shape and form. Observing him you see someone very unstimulated and adverse to that type of cognition, someone who practically seeks Si on a day-to-day basis who has described clear signs of distaste and aversion towards Se.
You see someone who's lazy with a hazy, vague thought process, and you can't define that as anything else but Ni. You should all seriously get out of Socionics if you can't tell the difference between an IEI and LII at this point. Either you don't know many LIIs or you don't know many IEIs.
meow.
Since murky associative thinking is characteristic of Dynamic types, such as IPs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverend
From thinking styles:
Statics tend towards fragmentary-analytic thinking; Dynamics tend towards associative-synthetic thinking. Analysis, as defined by most sources, is the division of a whole into clearly delimited parts. Analytical work is meant to delineate boundaries. Whereas synthesis is akin to associativity, i.e. the association of two or more concepts by fuzzy, rapid connections whereby one occurrence immediately evokes others to mind. Resulting in a coherent synthetic image with blurred internal boundaries.
... "fuzzy, rapid connections" is exactly how hitta communicates which you would know if you have ever interacted with him, which means that he is a dynamic IP type
The descriptions that you continue to anxiously edit and re-edit for type 9 are very simplistic and stereotypical. 9s with a 1 wing are often vocal critics and are oft confused for type 5 but don't display the same levels of mental granularity as a type 5 which hitta does not demonstrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverend
In any case, I am not at all concerned about his type to argue about it. You do need to get yourself acquainted with Static vs. Dynamic since this is one of the basic divisions in socionics (and try posting from your main account instead of hiding behind alts).
I agree that he's a 9>5. He's irritated me the way 9s can, because he gets bent-over and isn't what I would call a negotiator lol...... and if this tendency affects me, I'm not too happy about it in real life situations. His intentions appear to be to keep the peace and to bring people together, even when they really don't want to necessarily be brought together. He seems like he bends with the wind, that he is understanding of your pov and goes along with it at the time, even if that isn't what he really believes is the right thing to do himself. He reminds me alot of the Ip 9s I know. There is a stubborn quality like, "I am right and I know what's best", mixed with understanding and non-judgment of your pov. It's such a strange mix that I can't really describe it accurately without examples, and maybe I will explore that deeper..... However, he is not quite as "go with the flow" as the SLI 9s I know. He seems to be more "in the know" when it comes to motive and reading situations and people for truth - probably because he's Ni ego vs. Si. SLIs seem more likely to not care to think about it and/or discuss it, to look over it, and/or to take people at face value, without looking deeper under the covers.
I'm not saying these are the only reasons I'm typing him the way I do. These are simply observations I've made along the way.
Yet you support the simplistic description of a Socionics type and ignore the real description of an Enneagram type. Typical Te-PoLR reasoning, throwing out contradictory information to alter the system to fit your own point. If I followed your reasoning (ie. what you think a dynamic type is) I'd be typing myself off the map by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by siuntal
I made it four years ago, but thanks for your concern. I'll really make sure to heed that important advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by siuntal
Looks like you have been really busy in those four years, only 32 posts. It's productive. Anyway, how come you know hitta - I don't really know him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverend
meow
My my, whatever next, people might ask you to support the real description of a Socionics type and ignore the simplistic description of a Socionics type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverend
You really are a superstar at discussing socionics type. :popcorn:
Most of this makes no sense. It seems that you need to reread what was written, and try to understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
You also seem to make a lot of assumptions here. If someone is using mbti, socionics, and jung to type someone, there doesn't necessarily have to be a direct correlation from one to another to gain understanding. Maybe you will come up with the answer that the person is a different type in mbti than they are in socionics. In this case, he seems to be the same type in both, and I would guess that's probably true most of the time, if not all.
That's not an assumption. It's a guess based on my current understanding. I believe I said "guess" lol..... I've already studied this chart, and I don't agree that the findings posted in the chart are necessarily true. I'll have to find out myself through observation, and thus far, I don't agree, especially since there is no pure definition of what socionics is.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
I will continue to study socionics, and I will continue to type people using all 3 systems. If I find that someone is a different type in one system than another, I will note it. As I've said, it doesn't really make any difference whether there is a direct correlation between the systems or not.
Even if I use the chart to type, if he is INFJ in mbti, he's more than likely INFj or INFp in socionics. He's not Ne ego, he's Ni, according to indicators.
He never said or implied such a thing. You misunderstood. He was describing his first meeting with Hitta, and that's it. The next line is what you should apply to Ni.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
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Originally Posted by William
Go back and read what Finale wrote. There was hardly anything on INTJ mentioned, yet you continue to make a mess of things by believing somehow there was, that there were some big "comparisons" taking place. The only thing I could find was, "Like their INTJ counterparts....." during a quoted description in a paragraph. That's not really what I would call noteworthy, or "Myers Briggs INFJ and INTJ comparisons". I would describe it more in the mode of: pointing out one similarity, and that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
An INTp typing does not tie in with any point here I can see. I'm not typing him INTp, nor would I describe myself as actively defending any similarity. In other words, this is not a detail that I find pertinent to the situation at hand. I'm using mbti to type him, yes, and he seems to fit the description of INFJ. If there are similarities between INTJ and INFJ, sure, but that's not the point, nor is it important to the task at hand.
If I was typing him INTp, maybe I would look at the chart to see if in actuality, it may be true, as I just did with an INFp typing. The point being that as I said, and you seem to not understand, the correlation between systems does not matter to the end result, and I wouldn't trust any given information thereof, such as the chart. /sigh
If you wave off the indicators, you're never going to type anyone correctly. You're basically fighting against the tides.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
I think you also fail to understand that I'm not defending anything in actuality. I don't find it necessary to convince anyone else.....I'm merely pointing out the truth of the matter.
I don't agree with your self-typing that you have listed. You seem to be ethically-based. ESFj possibly....Quote:
Originally Posted by William
What makes you think I expect you to listen to me, or believe that you will?Quote:
Originally Posted by William
i'm really excited to find out what hitta's type actually is. when do we get to that part
I was browsing Naranjo's C&N and found him describing something of this kind regarding the gut triad types. He makes a claim that types located at the top of the enneagram wheel are "self-satisfied" due to having an excess of spirit contrary to the "poverty of spirit" experienced by types located at the bottom. He doesn't explain what he means by this, but I thought this was a good way of describing that 9's stubborn sense of knowing which I've also noticed in hitta.Quote:
Originally Posted by jet city woman
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...This is to say that there is [...] a loss of the sense of being which, as is the case in the three characters at the upper region of the enneagram, manifests as an “unconsciousness of unconsciousness” that gives them a particular self-satisfaction, opposite to felt defficiency or to “poverty in spirit” of those at the bottom of the enneagram. Unconscious dissatisfaction, however, is converted into the hottest of the passions, which, however ignored by active unconsciousness, underlies the quality of interpersonal relationships."
bump because he keeps asking and because i've decided on intj 5.