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"What type does xxxx" is what I notice you ask a lot of, which seems like a way of narrowing things down to a result, yet I don't type you as a result type, at all, I type you something like a mix of constructivist, maybe, strategic, maybe, and declaring, maybe; I really don't see you as INTj or INFj because you ask questions like "is this a good type?" Both INTj and INFj, despite type, see the possibilities, the good in each type, so neither one's likely to consider good and bad as being part of a type. That you do and you wonder rules you out of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
definitely merry.
intuitive.
alpha nt is the intuitive & "obvious" answer for me and probably what i'd say without any other input. but ive heard beta nf enough from smart people to make me second guess. i'm waiting to vote to see if anything in this thread locks it in. (which was part of my reason for making it)
based on post #3 i'd scratch out EIE though.
I have not interacted with you enough to tellQuote:
Originally Posted by Ath
I haven't interacted with you enough to be too sure here, but I'm thinking you're :Ni::Te: (INTp). (which people could easily mistake for :Ti::Ne: (INTj), its quasi-identical, but is really quite different) First of all, that whole post oozed perceiving to me; all that uncertainty, chaos and unstructured way of presenting information. Secondly, you seem to focus a lot on the flow and development of things through time, which fits with :Ni:. Finally, being described as cold, being concerned with justice (rather than something more emotive in nature, like mercy or love) fits with a :Te: creative.
he's responsive and doesn't get defensive and argumentative when i tell him he's gone too far, which would make him unusual compared to my interaction with other ILEs.
but i don't think he's ILI.
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Smartass,Quote:
2
You are 100% Rational, 71% Extroverted, 86% Brutal, and 86% Arrogant.
Time PerspectiveQuote:
3
Past-negative: 2.00
Past-positive: 2.56
Present-fatalistic: 1.89
Present-hedonistic: 2.00
Future: 3.31
...
hello i am here.
i have wondered if ath is IEI. the only reasonable alternative is LII, but i'm not so sure about Ti-dominance.
LII can work.
LII >>>>> IEI is where i'm at. i'll vote.
GOD this is fucking depressing. :thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
ILE, not introvert
He talks about himself too much(for attention), attention seeking, a bunch of extrotim traits.
I wanted to vote SEE as well.
Can't see anything other than ILE. Like his rants are your typical positive-extravert-EP behavior (which I personally really like lol).
Very hkkmr like, besides labcoat adores them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
What are those philosophies you speak of?
Oh, I see after updating your thread you went full korpsey adding every test you took. Must be ILI now.
Do you "come up with ALL these ideas"?
I don't understand how you can't see your base function; looking at the description of the functions, you can seriously tell me you can't see which one you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
One very useful resource for typing people in my experience is Socionic Types and their Overall Moods as it gives a description of each type's intuitive "feel"
ILE?
First off, HI! Because I haven't talked directly to you in ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
Second, I just want to throw in a clarifying question. I've been told that people who talk about themselves more than objects outside of themselves tended to be intratims or is that Jungian introversion?
Change your username for Tcaud so people can focus on you more than they do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Taciturn > Narrator i.e. Asking > Declaring. N > S. I also think Ne > other functions, but with less certainty.
ath, you have so many developed ideas about socionics, whats stopping you from choosing a type?
you're just keeping it a secret, arent you?
Some people you know are that honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by ath
Ti-INTj
Imo, Ne-ILE fits Ath the best. His :Fi: PoLR seems quite evident to me and his :Se: seems to be his role function instead. Also he comes across as very ExxP as opposed to IxxJ from what I have seen of him. He doesn't seem composed enough for even Ti-ILE to fit. I won't rule out the possibility that he's an Ne-LII that leans heavily towards :Ne:, but I think it's unlikely compared to Ne-ILE.
Imo, he seems to just blurt out whatever is on his mind with little regard on what others think of it or if it might upset some people. It's not really a bad thing though as I generally find what he says to be refreshing. Of course, non-type related factors could have some influence on this as well. Also, I have a question for you: How is he IxxJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by felafel
ATH, I should get serious about typing you.
Um, if you've got an introverted function as a base, that's going to be hard for me to see on the internet, for obvious reasons; because, introverted functions don't appear well, except trough activities and I haven't observed much of your activities over a fair amount of posts to tell what it is that you're doing; what is interesting to me again is that you attempt to clarify your knowledge of the types based on what it is that they do; in this, you ask "Maritsa which type is likely to do [whatever]."
You're doing a fair amount of observation and application. And what's interesting is that you're almost bringing knowledge and observation together. This stuff is in the realm of rationality. Although I must be honest that even irrational types do rational behavior, and it would make one seem as though that the irrational is rational (now we're in Princess Bride with the poisoned wine scene).
I had a good example of this from my pm exchange with Minde way back when I determined that she is indeed an irrational type, which I never posted on the forum, eh whatever. I don't know if I can recreate that test. darn it. I have a print out some darn place.
I'm betting on Ti something, maybe. Because of these reasons; you're seem to gather info on type and as you said have a "comprehensive view of types before you make a decision." All info in, categories, then decide, for yourself instead of "yeah, that fits best and that's what I am." You're taking way longer to decide which type you are only because you need more info about everything available before you can make a decision; I would say ISTj seems closer to you now than other types.
I'm so close to typing ISTj. :thinking:
i feel like i should veto an intj typing, not for petty vengeful reasons but simply because i think the most informative thing i can communicate to people here is that i really just don't get identical vibes from him.
INTj - basing a lot from a little
ISTj - basing a lot from a lot
I see more ISTj
I see, I don't really know or use any dichotomies to be honest so I can't really offer my insight in that area. I generally agree with your points about :Fi: PoLR as it's not a cut or dry definition so any statements I make about it should be taken with a grain of salt. ILE makes the most sense to me, but I would consider other possibilities for him. However, suggestions like LSI just seem way off the mark to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by felafel
So, if you can type the whole world, why can't you type yourself? Where is your Vi thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
I originally typed you LII or LIE, now I'm throwing in LSI. hum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
INTp and confirm
Wow that was a quick 180! At least ILI is more plausible than LSI for Ath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa
Based on the pictures I'm thinking either Ni-INFp or Ni-INTp.
Before I saw the pictures, I voted for ili.
At the moment I'm leaning towards Ni-INFp, with ILI being the second-most likely (in my opinion). You look introverted and irrational. You seem dynamic.
Nevertheless, it's interesting that you got the Marketing Character on a test, and that a lot of people think you're Alpha. In this thread I associated Marketing with Alpha, Extraverted and perceiving temperament, as well as Fe-valuing/Merry/subjectivist:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-and-Character
I think you might be IEI-ILI.
At the end of the day, self-typing can be a bit of a compromise. Before I ever went to a socionics forum, I thought I was INFP in Myers-Briggs and Kiersey typology. And when I went to the Socionics.com forum I also tested and self-typed as an INFp. Later on, of course, things happen in life and you're also influenced by people's negative opinions of certain types, quadras, etc... and you want to keep your options open... or whatever. Plus self-typing can also become really political... it's about fitting in, belonging to a group, not stepping on anyone's toes... For the most part I've never had any really good reasons to doubt my self-typing of INFp. Yet bearing that in mind, there are definitely at least some things that I don't relate to in INFp descriptions... and there are times when I can find things from other type descriptions that I relate to (even ESTj on the rare occasion). Type descriptions, in and of themselves, are rarely helpful. There is no simple and clear-cut solution to knowing for sure what type one is. Reading about the functions, dichotomies, etc. can be quite fascinating at times. Of course, Socionics is not a perfect science or system or anything... I gave my Mom descriptions of four of the functions without the names or the types or anything, and I discovered that she prefers Ni/Fi > Ne/Fe. A major issue in Socionics can be a lack of objectivity. The more you know about it and the more you're exposed to different prejudices, preconceived notions, etc. the more difficult it is to find out your type if that's what you're still working on. I'm assuming that someone who has less experience with Socionics and forums might actually have an easier time figuring out what their real type is since they'll be less brainwashed and indoctrinated by different people on the Internet, etc. with different ideas and theories regarding Socionics. Less signal and more noise.
This sounds a lot like me. I definitely have a problem with taking things personally, etc. I'm probably not Fi-PoLR, so it may relate somewhat more to different Fe-valuing individuals who tend to suffer from feelings of (persecutory) guilt and/or feel victimized, threatened, judged, etc. in life [which is usually just a continuation of their (often primarily) repressed childhood history (including infancy), the birth and pre-birth experience, etc.]. I'm reminded of a quotation/excerpt:Quote:
Originally Posted by felafel
"It may also be, however, that the patient displays uncontrollable feelings directed toward other, neutral people and speaks about his parents either without any show of feeling or in an idealizing manner. If the analyst focuses upon the early trauma, he will soon ascertain, by observing how the patient mistreats himself, how the parents once behaved toward the child. In addition, the manner in which the patient treats the analyst offers clues to the way his parents treated him as a child—contemptuously, derisively, disapprovingly, seductively, or by making him feel guilty, ashamed, or frightened."
Here's the more complete quote:
'If from the beginning, however, I confront the person who enters my office with questions having to do with what befell him in childhood and if I consciously identify with the child within him, then from the very first hour events of early childhood will open up before us that would never have been able to surface had I based my approach on an unconscious identification with the parents and their devious methods of upbringing instead of consciously identifying with the former child. In order to enable these events to come to light, it is not enough to ask questions about the past; besides, some questions tend to conceal more than they reveal. But if the analyst directs his attention to early childhood trauma and is no longer compelled to defend the position of the parents (his own and those of his patient), he will have no trouble discovering the repetition of an earlier situation in the patient’s present predicament. If, for instance, the patient should describe with complete apathy a current partner relationship that strikes the analyst as extremely painful, the analyst will ask himself and the patient what painful experiences the latter must have had to undergo in early childhood, without being permitted to recognize them as such, in order to be able to speak now so impassively about his powerlessness, hopelessness, loneliness, and constant humiliation in the present-day relationship. It may also be, however, that the patient displays uncontrollable feelings directed toward other, neutral people and speaks about his parents either without any show of feeling or in an idealizing manner. If the analyst focuses upon the early trauma, he will soon ascertain, by observing how the patient mistreats himself, how the parents once behaved toward the child. In addition, the manner in which the patient treats the analyst offers clues to the way his parents treated him as a child—contemptuously, derisively, disapprovingly, seductively, or by making him feel guilty, ashamed, or frightened. All the features of a patient’s early training can be detected in the very first session if the analyst is free to listen for them. If he is a prisoner of his own upbringing, however, then he will tell his supervisor or colleagues how “impossible” his patient’s behavior is, how much repressed aggression is latently present, and which drive desires it emanates from; he will then seek advice from his more experienced colleagues on how to interpret or “get at” this aggression. But should he be able to sense the suffering that the patient himself is not yet able to sense, then he will adhere strictly to his assumption that his patient’s overt attitudes are a form of communication, a code language describing events that for the time being can and must be reported in exactly this way and no other. He will also be aware that the repressed or manifest aggression is a response and reaction to traumas that at present remain obscure but will have to be confronted at the right moment.'
i just love how stereotypically gay ath is. definitely a kindred spirit. <3
he's like so gay and nerdy and effeminate and cute and gay male trolling like. LOVE LOVE LOVE.
The16types.info in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by agape
Accept Beta wisdom, Ath, and at the same time ask why they don't write books that people can read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
ATH, how do you feel about ISFp?
Wooo! It's like it all came together for me haha. Going with Ni-IEI 5w6 and fuck it I can't nail a stacking yet!
Sorry for taking so long to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
Regarding the necrophilous orientation it sort of sounds like the way some people who are Se/Ni [Decisive] might characterize themselves, at least at times. At the very least it's not Se-PoLR. [Although there may very well be exceptions]. The subjectivist thing sounds Merry [Fe/Ti].
I relate to a lot of the things you've written.
Well regarding the "describe functions to mom" thing, I assembled descriptions of four functions into a document, yet I didn't include the names [e.g. Introverted Feeling] or the quadras or types that value them. It could be used either to figure out what functions she thinks you value, or which ones she values [which is the way I used it].
First of all, I don't know if I assembled the best descriptions anyway. A lot of it is probably sort of plagiarizing things I've read on the Internet. Maybe I should update some of it with some of the articles here.
So for Ni: 'Introverted Intuition [which is the leading function of “The Imaginative INFp” and “The Critical INTp”, and the creative function of the ENFj and ENTj types] is also called Temporal or Time Intuition [and is an introverted, irrational, and dynamic information element which is valued by the Beta and Gamma quadras]. It likes to forecast and make predictions, can be seen as meditative or passive, and often cultivates imagination separate from the ‘consensus reality’ or world of events and information. They understand well the passage of time, and the interconnections of the past of history and the present, and are good at seeing future trends. Introverted Intuition can succumb to inactivity and detachment. Nevertheless, Introverted Intuition is actually quite adaptive and flexible, and knows how to deal quite well with stressful events and abrupt changes, as well as being able to quietly tolerate all kinds of bossy, mean-spirited, or tyrannical behaviours. The writing, art, lyrics, or speech of Introverted Intuition is often symbolic and poetic, and the imagery and description flows smoothly as if you were watching a movie. Although Introverted Intuition often finds it very difficult to express its thoughts into words or explain things using [realistic] details and facts, they are often lauded as mystics, intellectuals, or creative people. They prefer not to take too much initiative in promoting themselves, and would rather wait for others to notice them . . . .'
And in the document it turned to this: 'It likes to forecast and make predictions, can be seen as meditative or passive, and often cultivates imagination separate from the ‘consensus reality’ or world of events and information. They understand well the passage of time, and the interconnections of the past of history and the present, and are good at seeing future trends. It can succumb to inactivity and detachment. Nevertheless, it is actually quite adaptive and flexible, and knows how to deal quite well with stressful events and abrupt changes, as well as being able to quietly tolerate all kinds of bossy, mean-spirited, or tyrannical behaviors. The writing, art, lyrics, or speech of it is often symbolic and poetic, and the imagery and description flows smoothly as if you were watching a movie. Although it often finds it very difficult to express its thoughts into words or explain things using [realistic] details and facts, they are often lauded as mystics, intellectuals, or creative people. They prefer not to take too much initiative in promoting themselves, and would rather wait for others to notice them.'
I gave each of the descriptions a letter [like A, B, C, D]... I'm not sure how effective this really is. Perhaps once I test it with the four other functions I'll find out.
Here's the one I have for Ne [in part; I'm not sure how good it is]: 'Extraverted Intuition [which is the leading function of “The Effervescent ENFp” and “The Inventive ENTp”, and the creative function of the INFj and INTj types] is also called Intuition of Possibilities or Potential [and is an extraverted, irrational, and static information element which is valued by the Delta and Alpha quadras]. It likes to find parallels and similarities among many different ideas, and has an intense intellectual curiosity for all kinds of knowledge. Extraverted Intuition succumbs to and is ruled most by the competing states of boredom and interest. Extraverted Intuition is seldom aggressive, and its talents are often underappreciated. Territory, possessions, money, etc. are not valued too much by Extraverted Intuition; whereas their ideas, vision, or potential are sacrosanct for them. Extraverted Intuition can battle intellectually; perceive mental states and thought processes; and appreciate, admire, or notice the positive potential, possibilities, and talents inherent in others and the external world.'
And Ti: 'Introverted Logic or Introverted Thinking [which is the leading function of “The Resilient ISTj” and “The Analytical INTj”, and the creative function of the ESTp and ENTp types] is also called Systematic or Structural Logic [and is an introverted, rational, and static information element which is valued by the Beta and Alpha quadras]. Introverted Logic tends to emphasize the elimination of inconsistencies, contradictions; and is concerned with [personal] ideals of “justice”, systematization, and order. It deals with the organizing of things into categories, making comparisons, and drawing parallels. Introverted Logic relies on an inner sense [or perception] of symmetry, authenticity/validity, or even beauty in order to realize interconnections or other logical similarities and differences. It can explain its understanding of truth or reality in a very logical and commonsensical manner. Introverted Logic is also rather questioning of the integrity or credibility of consensus beliefs or opinions that tend to be taken for granted by many people from all stratas of society or walks of life. They like to make choices that are rooted in their own experience or impressions, as opposed to being too dependent on external validation or authorities. They don’t like to talk too much about trivial issues, and they don’t tolerate redundant information too well. Introverted Logic is about laws and rules which have no exceptions, and likes to follow its own consistent standard of truth rather than follow the herd. In many ways, Introverted Logic is a moral, demanding, “individualistic” and infinitely wise information element.'
By the way you describe yourself ILI seems plausible.
I type both cpig and korpsy a different type.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath
And, I'm quoting your post :p
NF
Still INFP
would you please have someone take a pic of you from the side, shoulder's up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ath