Do me hard (or soft), but seriously, do me

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...victimized.jpg

My favorite self pic lol.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...lmodelol-2.jpg

I was not happy... at all.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/stickam2.jpg

lol, Stickam =/

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...deglance-1.jpg

Dont ask :P

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/rockaway.jpg

Possibly drunk ....

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/blue2007.jpg

Putting on makeup for a party :o I went as Gemini Man from Mega Man (Nintendo Olympics)

you changed your your type field to exactly what I was going to say.

then I was going to add fe base to that but thats more speculative.

would you like me to put it in your butt, or...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc5BzRSkc8o

Radio, do me intuitively and logically =/ lol

Kassie, I am hoping for some feedback as if no one here knew me, which is a lot to ask. I am curious as to an objective approach, as contrasted to my subjected impression here.

My butt is strictly no trespassing =(

Hmmm...the two people you remind me most strongly of are an old friend from college, who was either ESE or SLE, and my girlfriend's ex, who was either ILE or a very immature ESE, couldn't be sure which.

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Hmmm...the two people you remind me most strongly of are an old friend from college, who was either ESE or SLE, and my girlfriend's ex, who was either ILE or a very immature ESE, couldn't be sure which.

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More objective plz thanx you love you. ps. thx

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More objective plz thanx you love you. ps. thx

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The wide look of your eyes and curvature of your spine lead me to believe that you were abducted by aliens as a small child.

Actually -- better test: What am I expressing in the first photograph, and how do any of you feel that relates to socionics?

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The wide look of your eyes and curvature of your spine lead me to believe that you were abducted by aliens as a small child.

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Nah, just raped by Dakotan culture at a young age.

fwiw it wasn't until I saw you in tiny chat that si creative came to mind. you look earthy lol.
I can't do objective soz

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fwiw it wasn't until I saw you in tiny chat that si creative came to mind. you look earthy lol.
I can't do objective soz

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Any constructive feedback is welcome, including this. I have been here for far too long for people to be completely objective about me, and I should possibly add more things later. I think that the perception you just related is something I get told in person, too. Sometimes what people tell me conflicts what other people say, and that really makes things interesting -- reserved yet jovial, joyful yet deliberate, sensitive yet dense -- you get the idea.

Oh and I remember on cam you reminded me of a friend of mine who was an E6 ESE/EIE from back in the DAY day, like middle school, really good friends with one of my besties who is LII-Ti.

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Actually -- better test: What am I expressing in the first photograph, and how do any of you feel that relates to socionics?

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You look, like...quasi concerned? But hiding it? Maybe somewhat questioning? But also...affectionate, in a way.

Anyway you are Fe dominant for sure, I can't say for 100% which one but Fe dominant is a definite.

Eric Bana :popcorn:

I've never talked to you and I've leaned toward ESE for you.

I like EIE, but you actually seem cool.

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Eric Bana :popcorn:

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Holy fuck yeah, lol. Creepy. There is some difference in the energy but the physical resemblance is uncanny.

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Holy fuck yeah, lol. Creepy. There is some difference in the energy but the physical resemblance is uncanny.

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Only with the beard. without it they look nothing a like.

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Only with the beard. without it they look nothing a like.

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And the eyes.

INTj?

Expression in first pic: "why are you taking a picture/I don't feel like smiling so I'm gonna make this forced face instead". I make that face for pics a lot.

Die in a fire and eathwuke you cunt.

lol, this is fun. Not quite right on the pic expression yet.

Eric Bana has a shorter jaw, way more linear body frame, smaller eyes, and a much smaller mouth/lip frame. The temples, chin, and upper skull frame are similar. I can see the overall similarities, bot he has a more condensed frame than I do. He appears like a 6w5 usually would, and I can guarantee you that I am not a 6, especially anything close to a 5.

Gilly, if you saw me in the morning, I was likely exhausted. Also, I was likely memorizing you and not engaging you, lol.

I am kind of hoping for non-comparitive arguments, but I realize this is difficult since I am both not tending towards offering much about myself and known in a surface manner here.

Absurd, troll nice please :P

Memorizing me? Creeper...

Here are some random, non-facial pics from the past 5 years, so that ya'll can get an idea of me based on non-VI:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...uitcobbler.jpg

That was a gluten-free berry cobbler that I made at one time. It looked like raped ass, but it was delicious, lol.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/firewood.jpg

I won and 2 trees lost out. I think I made that into firewood later.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/battery1.jpg

Diagnosing a motorcycle battery issue on a vehicle forum.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...icjade/bed.jpg

That was the first of many bed frames I made. That one is queen-size.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...507_231945.jpg

The moon was freaking me out :D

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...518_170242.jpg

Showing the leaves of a new hybrid I made to some people, indicating that a certain foliage trait was dominant.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...527_154814.jpg

I thought this was funny, but no one else did =(

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...529_101711.jpg

I thought this was funny, too, lol =/


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...713_133105.jpg

What 3000lbs does, haha.



I can show more later.

jlkjlklkj this is probably not relevant but seriously the "i know this guy from somewhere" feeling is strong even though i know i don't. is that an intertype relation, lol? like i said before, probably just midwestern thing.

but yeah those are my strongest impressions: "earthy" and "pretty sure i grew up with this guy even though i didn't"

other, less popped out impressions:
someone who has their shit together real good on the outside - (kinda an Ej feel to me)
socially smart and calculating - (ethical?)
inwardly tense, observing and scrutinizing - (??6 wing??)

as for the pic the feel i get is like, "oh, you. oh, this. oh life." like a good-natured resignedness. no idea what i would correlate it to typologically and i feel presumptuous even saying it because i feel the need to say its the vibe i get from it and not necessarily what you were actually thinking lol.

lol stereotypically si complementary pics

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/blue2007.jpg

http://www.peliculas.info/wp-content...o_Banderas.jpg

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It looked like raped ass

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nooooooooooooo

@labster Yes.

Which Filatova portrait does he look closest to?

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Memorizing me? Creeper...

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Dont flatter yourself. I memorize everyone, lol. It is really common with ppl with PTSD.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tova-portraits

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http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/stickam2.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...its/ps_003.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...its/ps_012.jpg

I wish they werent Russian photos =/ It is so hard to take those photographs seriously, lol.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...its/ps_003.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...its/ps_012.jpg

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Bottom left one reminds me of Heath, especially when he was younger.

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I wish they werent Russian photos =/ It is so hard to take those photographs seriously, lol.

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Because they are Russian? LOL

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...5-garhart2.jpg

Part of the Tualatin River.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ficjade/li.jpg

An exercise in eye focus and confusion.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...inner_menu.jpg

A riddle of sorts. Gold star to anyone that can translate it.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...GarhartIDz.jpg

Ask me which state I like better.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...renderflag.jpg

A tasteless joke about France (sorry Guava!), hehe.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...istmas2010.jpg

The cover for our 2010 Christmas cards that I had made.

Two more that I like:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...-garhart-5.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...4-garhart1.jpg

These photos are all of my own creation, so think what you will.

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Because they are Russian? LOL

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Too many movies.

On to the core: can any of you that have dealt with me describe why you believe which side of the Te : Fi dichotomy you see me within, where each is placed, and why you believe so. I realize this is a lot to ask. Further, the same could be asked of Si : Ni, but that seems like a lot to ask for.

I have always been Jadae, but I was absent for like 2 years or so.

Regarding non-ENFj, I do not think the information everyone has is consistant or unbiased.

I haven't read a single post here with good examples and explanations and good reasoning. And, your signature suggests the opposite valuing of Fe :p

Books I typically keep/read:

Science
Psychology
Sociology
Architecture/Landscape Architecture
Horticulture
Drafting/Design

I do not read or keep non-fiction. I seriously hate non-fiction, which makes me feel bad when people ask, "Have you read such and such?" I simply cannot read that fluff. I read from any point in which I need to. I never read from front to back. I like to apprach books in two ways: what is essential to know and how the book is engineered so that I understand how everything works together.


The expression answer was that I was agitated that my then gf was taking photographs of me while I was driving, especially because it was hypocritical of her to do so and we were late, but I also adored her at that time. It is a mixed expression.

Here is a post from another forum so you can all see how I type in a non-socionics related way:


Tequila x Roar!

Posted by PacificJade

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PacificJade [ PM ]
Tequila x Roar!
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Interesting plant. It has grandiflora-sized blooms in pure golden buff, but the plant is healthy, and it is very large and free-branching. I have never really seen a plant like it before, but it seems to have taken on Bonica's traits, including low thorn count, yet they are all HT-sized plant parts.





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Here is Shadow Ninja, my older hybrid. I finally have proof that when it gets above 90 degrees, the petals turn black-purple, but they do not burn. When it is very cool, they become russet. I named it after a friend, who fancies himself a ninja, lol.





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Zone 8B, Pacific Northwest, USA

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Kim Rupert [ PM ]
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Those are a couple of nice ones, Michael. Congratulations!

Kim

Encino, CA Sunset Zone cusp of 18/19
USDA Zone 10a per the new interactive USDA Zone Map
Though both are massaged quite a bit by mountainous terrain and occasional coastal influence.
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Michael, the yellow is magnificent, I guess it is one that you have bred ?

Regards David
In Mudgee
In NSW
In Australia
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Thank you both. Yeah, these are both my babies. The yellow is a hybrid of my hybrid. People liked Roar! but I was not happy with a 1990s style "Flori-Tea" (like French Lace). I wanted something from it in which could produce more. I also want to create floribundas which do not need to be grafted. I understand grafting as a utility for faster production, but I think that is a myth, which can be easily seen as false with roses like Knock Out. I think I can do more with this yellow seedling.

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Adam Eckstein [ PM ]
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The coloring on the second one is intriging but I think I like the light yellow better. But they both look very nice.

Adam
Fort Collins, Colorado
USDA zone 5a
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Rob Byrnes [ PM ]
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great color on both of these Michael. Is there fragrance?

Rob

Historic Village of Roebling, NJ
On the banks of the Delaware River
Zone 6b
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JStover [ PM ]
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Michael:
you said, "I also want to create floribundas which do not need to be grafted."

I have a few floribundas that I'm trying to root right now hoping to find those that will root easily. I guess rooting technique will also make a difference. So far Julia Child and Iceberg are proving to be easy.

What is your selection process for this?

Jeff Stover
Monterey County, California
USDA Zone 9
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jriekstins [ PM ]
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The buff color is just gorgeous, and the whole plant sounds great. Nothing wrong with a large shrub with a nice repeating crop of color. Looks like it will have some nice clustered bloom if the flowers last a bit. Does this plant take the heat well, also? Post a photo of a full bloom if possible-they look very sumptuous.

Jackie, SoCal., zone 9b,coastal foothills
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david mears [ PM ]
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By all the comments Michael, you have the thumbs up on these. As said above, can you provide us with continuing updates of the yellow(for me).
I have just read the parentage behind 'Roar'. Fantastic credentials.

Regards David
In Mudgee
In NSW
In Australia

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seilMI [ PM ]
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That yellow is gorgeous! So is the red one phototropic? I love those.

seil
On the East shore of Lake St. Clair, North of Detroit
The lake moderates our weather all year round. Warmer in the fall because the water is still warm and cooler in the spring because the lake is still cold. Humidities are always high!
St. Clair Shores, MI zone 6
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Kim Rupert [ PM ]
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I love that purple "burn" on the hot oranges. Coup de Foudre provided it way back in the mid fifties. In really brilliant sun and high heat, it is tremendoulsy more extreme than any of the photos show. Modern Art does it in similar conditions. Orangeade can do it, too and it's very common with Show'n'Tell. Camara is one of the most dramatic around here.

Kim

Encino, CA Sunset Zone cusp of 18/19
USDA Zone 10a per the new interactive USDA Zone Map
Though both are massaged quite a bit by mountainous terrain and occasional coastal influence.
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Thank you for all of the nice comments.

It is exactly the pattern of Coup de Foudre! I love Shadow Ninja.

They both love the heat and the cool. Shadow Ninja isnt phototropic... it is based on the weather and not the UV. It is a very strange rose.

Regarding rooting -- I tend to try to marry those related to the synstylae or caninae types into moderns, which I think lends to more vigor, increased branching, and better rooting. From that point on, I tend to go for the "survival of the fittest" regime in seedling selection.

Zone 8B, Pacific Northwest, USA

lol I'll probably catch shit for this but I really think lse is plausible.
(I also kinda feel like you're leading the thread in that direction, intentional or not, but this is something that crossed my mind awhile back and I dismissed it out of hand at the time since eie was supposedly the obvious thing)

I wish I could give a better reason than vibe. maybe if I think about it.

BLOCKED@hotmail.com

Aug 11 (3 days ago) to me

Well, Mike...............what can I say??...............Good luck on your final!
M


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There isnt much to say, lol. I just need to figure out how to prevent it, because its so disruptive.


Michael
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Home Depot is selling a set of 2 pruners for $8.90 (I think). Theyre metal with red grips -- one is the basic bypass and one is a snips bypass. They seem to work just fine.


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Aug 12 (2 days ago)

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I'll have to go check..........my pruners are so used and abused!! About ready to buy myself a really nice one.........but cheaper ones that work great are...............great!!
Remember that bird that was here when you were here..............some kind of kingfisher or heron.........like a lesser heron. Well , I saw this heron in tree yesterday so I ran outside, waving my arms and yelling..........bird had a mohawk go up..........thought it might be a baby heron...........didn't seem to know what to do..........finally flew but went behind the tree so I ran and got the camera........attaching 3 pics of him...........larger than a kingfisher but no color. No fear.............finally flew away.
M
and attaching pics of my finished dog grooming table.
Thanks

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lol I'll probably catch shit for this but I really think lse is plausible.
(I also kinda feel like you're leading the thread in that direction, intentional or not, but this is something that crossed my mind awhile back and I dismissed it out of hand at the time since eie was supposedly the obvious thing)

I wish I could give a better reason than vibe. maybe if I think about it.

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Youre perceptive, lol.

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I think I can do more with this yellow seedling.

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lol I'll probably catch shit for this but I really think lse is plausible.
(I also kinda feel like you're leading the thread in that direction, intentional or not, but this is something that crossed my mind awhile back and I dismissed it out of hand at the time since eie was supposedly the obvious thing)

I wish I could give a better reason than vibe. maybe if I think about it.

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:) yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes.

This should give an idea of what my friends are like. Random picture my friends drew while drunk, lol:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...e/untitled.png

I would have said something about your handsomeness but I don't due to homophobia and annoyance for "no homo" disclaimers.

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Dont flatter yourself. I memorize everyone, lol. It is really common with ppl with PTSD.

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Lol I wasn't flattering myself, how would you even get that from what I said? o_O More just kind of like, wondering what that's about...

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BLOCKED@hotmail.com

Aug 11 (3 days ago) to me

Well, Mike...............what can I say??...............Good luck on your final!
M


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There isnt much to say, lol. I just need to figure out how to prevent it, because its so disruptive.


Michael
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Aug 12 (2 days ago)

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Home Depot is selling a set of 2 pruners for $8.90 (I think). Theyre metal with red grips -- one is the basic bypass and one is a snips bypass. They seem to work just fine.


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BLOCKED@hotmail.com

Aug 12 (2 days ago)

to me

I'll have to go check..........my pruners are so used and abused!! About ready to buy myself a really nice one.........but cheaper ones that work great are...............great!!
Remember that bird that was here when you were here..............some kind of kingfisher or heron.........like a lesser heron. Well , I saw this heron in tree yesterday so I ran outside, waving my arms and yelling..........bird had a mohawk go up..........thought it might be a baby heron...........didn't seem to know what to do..........finally flew but went behind the tree so I ran and got the camera........attaching 3 pics of him...........larger than a kingfisher but no color. No fear.............finally flew away.
M
and attaching pics of my finished dog grooming table.
Thanks

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lol what does any of this have to do with typing you?

VI-wise, both your expression and attitude towards things you shoot, I think EIE makes a lot of sense. You seem pretty spirited and personable even towards your environment, and you remind me of my EIE dad. Sometimes EIEs can't see this in themselves because they notice their blunt edginess and have personal criticism deep down about their social skills, but it's irrelevant to how they like to conduct themselves and see the world. Definitely not Te-like, I'd expect a lot more serious, dry, alert assessing style, sense of physical constraint etc. I mean all the empirical correlations on Te-EJs in my signature would hint towards what I think.

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lol I'll probably catch shit for this but I really think lse is plausible.
(I also kinda feel like you're leading the thread in that direction, intentional or not, but this is something that crossed my mind awhile back and I dismissed it out of hand at the time since eie was supposedly the obvious thing)

I wish I could give a better reason than vibe. maybe if I think about it.

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:) yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes.

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I personally think there's a bit of idealism involved. Images of what an LSE looks like and a personable healthy-like individual, people are going to idealize it into something it's not, similarly with Mike Rowe (EIE) who seems too manly and stand-up, and lacking an unhealthy emo-ness, to be anything else but LSE, but it's just a dumb stereotype and people seem to not understand what dominant Fe actually is or EJs on the whole.

I feel like jadaes wetness is a fairly thin outer layer.
in contrast to te "dryness" as you put it poli
sad clown (don't hate me jadae)

he does have better social/ people skills than I'm used to seeing in lses though

ftr I'm stretching a lot so uh yeah probably projection and stuff blah blah but my two cents anyway.

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lol what does any of this have to do with typing you?

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I wanted to display what is routine for me, because I cannot obviously show any of you a crystal ball into my life, so I am trying to display things in which are okay to display here.

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I would have said something about your handsomeness but I don't due to homophobia and annoyance for "no homo" disclaimers.

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That sort of stuff never bothers me :P

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Lol I wasn't flattering myself, how would you even get that from what I said? o_O More just kind of like, wondering what that's about...

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It's just an expression. It is like when I call someone a liar to get a rise out of them and continue on with further meaning.

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I feel like jadaes wetness is a fairly thin outer layer.

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I understand why you would say it's thin because I thought the same thing about types I'm unfamiliar with, but just from my standpoint, I've learned that this seemingly outer layer is much deeper than that, that it's a lot more about how a type subconsciously wants to be (that they can't objectively weigh their personality against anything else, it's just who they are) than it is how proficiently they might act a certain way or stereotype (like emo-ness or emotional wildness, a false Fe proposition.) Like a lot of people including myself might see me as dry and a bit uncaring at times, but has little to do with my deepest integrated motives (when you get down to what a person's really focusing on in themselves regardless of external factors.) But anyway I don't know why people would criticize you for spreading out your explanation, that's what the threads are for to give your opinion. Ppl should just shut it if they don't want to be constructive.

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I feel like jadaes wetness is a fairly thin outer layer.
in contrast to te "dryness" as you put it poli
sad clown (don't hate me jadae)

he does have better social/ people skills than I'm used to seeing in lses though

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I dont hate you, lol. I'm the one asking for all of this, so it is bound to be uncomfortable at some points.

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I understand why you would say it's thin because I thought the same thing about types I'm unfamiliar with, but just from my standpoint, I've learned that this seemingly outer layer is much deeper than that, that it's a lot more about how a type subconsciously wants to be (that they can't objectively weigh their personality against anything else, it's just who they are) than it is how proficiently they might act a certain way or stereotype (like emo-ness or emotional wildness, a false Fe proposition.) Like a lot of people including myself might see me often as dry and a bit uncaring, but has nothing to do with my deepest integrated motives (when you get down to what a person's really focusing on in themselves regardless of external factors.) But anyway I don't know why people would criticize you for spreading out your explanation, that's what the threads are for to give your opinion. Ppl should just shut it if they don't want to be constructive.

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I'm not really going to comment on this yet, because it I am sure there is more detail in which neither of you see yet, and I do not want to argue one way or the other for it.

Poli, how do you feel about me and why do you feel as such?

My opinion: Aristocratic as hell, Si valuing extrovert. I don't see you in a Se quadra, and perhaps it has something to do with the ptsd that you mentioned in an earlier post, but I think not. I think it is more than that, and that interactions that Se-valuers would find fun or no big deal could seriously annoy you. The strong aristocracy I think is part of why people might see you as beta, but imo you fit the delta variety and not the beta one. Elaboration on fi aristocracy: you give the impression that you believe that there are right and wrong ways to behave, and that people should follow propriety, without having a large tolerance for deviations from that.

Delta is funny in that there's a strong trend to judge people for "being judgemental" criticize people for "being critical" and give everyone a very narrow window of what's okay, while proclaiming their vast open mindedness. It's a contradiction that they are blind to, that amuses and frustrates me. I see that in you btw - that wasn't a random rant. Because of that, I see you as a decent guy who doesn't intentionally hurt people, but may misjudge/misread people who fall outside of your proscribed "normal" behavior.

Your pictures are very grounded and low-key, and you're probably sp-first in enneagram instinct stackings.

I have a hard time seeing you as Fe-leading, because of the lack of energy you supply to any atmosphere. You make comments and jokes, but you don't really enliven anything, nor do you appear to have much interest in manipulating the emotions or energy in any way. Your silliness and playing around is more alpha/delta, ne/si to me, rather than Fe-Se and beta. I realize I'm not explaining to any great degree, but I'm just trying to get quick impressions down.

Plausible types for you are ENFp, ESTj, and ESFj imo, though all the things I cited as noticing point to delta extrovert, my observations might be somewhat off in one area or another.

I am not offended, and I am aware of the logical inconsistancy in judgement that you describe. I know you actually know me well, because you contemplate a lot, among other things, and you have actually taken the time to give both credit and debt where it is due.

The primary reason I am doing all of this, and I really would not expend the energy if I didnt think it was worthwhile (VI threads get old, fast), is because the prior model does not fit. Since it does not fit, something is wrong. This is to flush out both of what does not fit and how people actually perceive me here. So, this also relates to the lot of all of you and how you perceive this subject, too.

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Originally Posted by Jadae2point0

It's just an expression. It is like when I call someone a liar to get a rise out of them and continue on with further meaning.

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Ok.

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Ok.

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Gah, punk :P

One impression I get is that you're a dynamic type. Something like you seem in discussions to figure out processes for whatever, externalising connections between data (bear with me on that Ne-approximation); it seems like a much practiced process, as opposed to a 'naturally' strong way of thinking. Could point to Si-cre/Ne-HA.

yessssss maybe i'm not crazy for thinking LSE.

maritsa actually called it!

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One impression I get is that you're a dynamic type. Something like you seem in discussions to figure out processes for whatever, externalising connections between data (bear with me on that Ne-approximation); it seems like a much practiced process, as opposed to a 'naturally' strong way of thinking. Could point to Si-cre/Ne-HA.

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That is often why I shut my mouth. It is a never ending stream, I seriously doubt people want to hear it, and I dont get off hearing the sound of my own voice, lol.

There are a few things people seem to stereotype LSE for; first that they are humorless and assume a dry tone, like automatons, which isn't true at all; and LSE have hobbies outside of work and these interests they often take seriously, as their type is serious, accumulating information about it/them.

So LSE can be funny and LSE can have any kind of interest or hobby; the difference is in how they pursue these things and for what reasons. If LSE do socionics for socialization than that's what they are here for; it's sort of like a compartmentalized way of approaching something.

You may find that Jadae accumulates a lot of facts about his hobby/job and when speaking with others, he expresses facts in a dry tone, however he's looking for "how things work" or "how things can work" in a dynamic way; though he does use Fe in describing the feeling atmosphere, he does not do this more often, or more typically as he does Te. If you know him, you'll know that he's more serious than merry type; the emotive dichotomy of LSE may be confused with Fe.

His Ne HA is expressed in the way that he does/approaches tasks; ask him how he order's his closet/items; ESE and EIE care far less about where things go and keep them there; also the HA is expressed in his creative nature, in creating of something.

@Jadae2point0

You're... cute. :shock: Also, it's freaking awesome that you went to a party as a Megaman villain.

/unhelpful

In further analysis:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post837362

This is a post CA made about the HA and it applies in the behavior of Jadae and the way he approached this thread. Jedi, does this ring true for you?

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Originally Posted by consentingadult

Another way of differentiating is by means of the mobilizing function. For that to work, it is important that your BF indeed utilizes his mobilizing function a lot, if he doesn't, this isn't a good method.

Your starting point could be the Pathetic Hidden Agenda article written by Expat:

LSE: (Ne)behavior aiming at showing how original and creative you can be, but making too much out of obvious and trivial ideas.
SLI: (Fi) unshakeable and stubborn unwillingness to compromise on personal behavior and principles against all opposition in a social situation

To put it diffently: SLIs are more prone to make an issue out of their own ideas of what's appropriate behavior or not, whereas LSEs are much more comfortable toeing the line. LSEs will at times fish for recognition of their creative or inventive capabilities (in the Ne sense), that they actually don't have, whereas SLI are more confortable with the idea that they are lacking in such respect (if they are aware of it at all).

ETA: it might actually be that these behaviors do not emerge in conditions of dualization. So you might not see it until your BF interacts with third parties.

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It is sort of confusing to reference both of those people at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Jadae2point0

It is sort of confusing to reference both of those people at the same time.

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Yeah, I intended a focus on LSE only; so pretty much the LSE HA is to approach things/activities/tasks/jobs ect with an idea; the idea with which you approached this thread seemed to be from not only a VI perspective put you also posted pictures of the things that you do, hoping that it would contribute to people looking at you in a new way (maybe?). What I'm saying is that it's not a typical approach to a VI thread, it's from Ne HA, a new idea in a new creative way. A creative idea that YOU came up with on your own.

My fear was that people do not see me in a full way, which is further complicated by people only knowing what I have shared, which is admittedly not a lot for 7 years of being here.

My understanding of breeding roses/flowers is limited, but it seems to me that it would require regular attention to minute variations of their physical properties, as well as a clear understanding of how to manipulate those properties for future generations. This suggests to me a strong possibility for dynamic type and Se valuing. This can also be used when fitting a bed frame, etc. But then, Si creative has Se demonstrative, so it could be that as well. Either way...Se info about properties of objects, as well as having the will to alter your environment according to how you want it, suggests a heavy Se focus. (not ds, ignoring, polr, nor role... Leaving Se as base, creative, hidden agenda, or demonstrative...SeXi, XiSe, and any of the EJs.) It's certainly not something you spend time on only when pressured to do so...and then revert to a more comfortable mode of processing as soon as the pressure lightens.

Often, your pictures remind me of the ones that @cracka takes and posts. Both in attention to scenery, but also a high focus on personal interest...his cars, yours roses. I can actually see you and cracka as being quite similar...minus the enneagram differences. (certainly more so than I can see a similarity between you and Director Abbie or Expat.)

I can't think of any particular polr you might have. Whatever it is, it doesn't particularly call out. I think perhaps your E6ness aids you in not showing your weaknesses, as would the circumstances behind the ptsd.

Lets see...I believe Extrovert, because you seem comfortable manipulating real objects, feelings, emotions, and sensations...and rarely discuss your imaginings and reflections. You also seem to be more focused on how objects interact with each other, rather than interpreting everything as relating to yourself.

I also think you are a Rational type. I think you find it easy to first assess incoming information before responding, rather than taking the info in and responding to it, before assessing it.

Extrovert Rational puts you at any EJ.

I think you might be Decisive>Reasonable...but I'm not really sure. You've always struck me as someone who's usually in a mobilized state rather than a relaxed one. You certainly don't seem to need external motivation to get yourself moving, which reasonable types are said to need. EIE/LIE are both Decisive EJs.

And I think you might be Subjective>Objective...but again, I'm not really sure. It seems to me that you consider the source of the information as being important to how much consideration you give it. And that of higher importance is your subjective view of a situation...(even if you might reconsider over time). ESE/EIE are both Subjective EJs.

If I were forced to type you at this moment...I would suggest EIE based on the above.
But I'd prefer to see what you think of these ideas first.

I have to think about it more.

I do not typically expose my vulnerabilities. You can relate it to being midwestern, male, PTSD, 6wing -- whatever. I just do not, and I do not really expect others to do so. i usually assume that they are there and people will bring them up if they feel the need, lol.

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My fear was that people do not see me in a full way, which is further complicated by people only knowing what I have shared, which is admittedly not a lot for 7 years of being here.

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Your fears aside, the way in which you approached this thread was out of an idea and most ideas are with possibilities in mind and that in itself determines Ne HA (or maybe even with the consideration of your fear, who knows, even subconsciously).

I think you will find that you do Fi DS quite often, without me indulging in details, this is something that EIE/ESE don't care to do as they don't value Fi:

LSEs revere their emotional intimate friendships and can go to great lengths to make sure that the needs of these close friends or partners are met, in hopes that people will reward these efforts with a stable relationship and emotional security.

@Jadae...i'll be nice, since it's your thread.

1) How does it feel to have a perfect nose?

2) Do you like Buff Orpingtons?

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1) How does it feel to have a perfect nose?


lol :p

2) Do you like Buff Orpingtons?

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Theyre cutttttttte

I'm so frustrated with the riddle.
Posture/Please/Pasture/fuck idk...the....Condiments. The chair/seat is messing me up.
To be honest, all your pictures make me think of an awesome daytrip...looking at flowers and plants and talking to someone, going to a river. They make me all excited about doing things.
The picture with the carnation on the ground is ironic to me because carnations are flowers given suppsedly to grieving people. And it's on the ground. :( Dead.

Also, those pictures you said no one else thought were funny...they made me laugh. I like subtle humor like that.

Just my opinions. I dunno your type, but I agree with EJ. /nothelpfuliknow

lol. The riddle is about how we perceive symbols into language. In this instance, it relates to the menu. It is simply meaning, "Please eat the condiment," or exactly, "Peas Seat Zee Condom Mint."

The carnation is on the ground because it fell off while in the vase. The photo is taken from the top view, and every plane of vision was then refocuses as if both planes are on the same plane. The carnation and sticker were placed there by some sort of relation of the deceased. The project is one of many, many peices of work that tie in together to show that finding even the closest idea of propriety in America is very difficult. To me, I took this photograph to show that every plane is equivelent in both pain and beauty.

Yeah, I love doing. I have a hard time sitting still. Tiny Chat is, like, sometimes a chore for me to sit still that long.

Guava reminded me during one of our chats that I am continually trying to order my mind, as if I can store everything and not let information go. It was very perceptive of her, because she was correct. How that relates may or may not be important, but it stuck in my mind. It is why I do well in both horticulture and inventory management. Both fields require a vast amount of memorization. I go as far as memorizing lineages from the Rubus genus =( I find it maddening and unintended. That in itself seems negativist, if Socionics holds true.

I love, LOVE people. I really do, but I cannot tolerate large crowds for very long for the very reason I wrote above. I hyperfocus into every single person, which is overwhelming and impossible. I like one on one or groups that I know by heart. When I am in settings I do not feel okay in, people will inevitably judge me as arrogant. I am not really arrogant, but I am not that accessible to most people.

I kind of wish others would share this much information -- we are such a unique and, please do not hate me ya'll, strange crowd.

So this is where I got a promotion.

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jumping 2 quadras seems a bit strange. unless you changed type.

my impression is sth alpha Si. just from this thread tho. take care

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The Mirror Pond is the illusion where the heart thinks it is the mind and the mind feels it is the heart. Which is which?

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lol.

did you type yourself as enfj initially or was it thrust upon you by willing typists (ps:i mean, did you introduce yourself as enfj to the forum?) did you ever consider other types?

well, i can't get a good 'read' of you from this thread alone and can't remember having spoken to you in the past...

eta: what do you mean when you say you don't reveal your weaknesses? sure, everyone has them and is careful about them to some extend, but what they choose to reveal and hide varies. say what someone may think is a weakness i may think is a strength (?)

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I was introduced to MBTI when I began c0llege, and I was administered the exam. After three attempts, it was always ENFX. I learned that whole bunch, then I learned Kiersey, which was more like a great fictional love story. I got bored with that and found Socionics. The problem with all of the above is that I cannot not know what I learned, and all of the lines are so blurred. Applying all of the above to self-concept seems so very... messy. In Socionics, I figured NF, and I bounced between ENFp, ENFj, and INFj. I knew I was not an introvert, and I knew I was not an ENFp. Whether or not ENFj was accurate remains to be seen -- if any type is accurate to begin with at all.

As to your other question, I usually hide how I feel about someone in favor of common courtesy, and I also tend to hide what I am competant in and what I am not, with the idea that another should automatically know, lol :/ Essentially, I hide what is internalized. However, I do not hide things most people may be uncomfortable with socially, such as medical or cultural stuff. I seriously have very little external shame. I really only have internalized shame relating to those I love.

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The problem with all of the above is

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Yeah :p
You describe an event, then you go on to say what the problem of that is and you could probably say how it can be improved LOL You're analyzing the rational of something. Te Te Te Te....screams out at me.

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i have decades of dual experiance

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Yeah, and you still type me LSI, so your 'experience' and credibility means very little to me right now. *edited to be more polite*

Anyway, Jadae, I think Delta ST is ridiculous.

I do agree that EIE seems off. In the quick version, I can more easily and readily see: Alpha NT, ESE, or IEE.

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Yeah, and you still type me LSI, so your 'experience' and credibility means very little to me right now. *edited to be more polite*

Anyway, Jadae, I think Delta ST is ridiculous.

I do agree that EIE seems off. In the quick version, I can more easily and readily see: Alpha NT, ESE, or IEE.

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I never typed you, but I did give random guesstimates back when. I am more curious as to where your manner is coming from.

ENFj seems fine. Why do you doubt it?

I'm curious where this is coming from too. I mean yeah people not having a complete picture etc but what's the difference between us not having a complete picture six months ago compared to us not having a complete picture now, know what I mean?

the only reason I'm seeing for fe leading is the joking around and lack of seriousness which seems like a pretty superficial reason. not that I'm completely sure about lse but just pointing and saying look, joking around, fe, isn't persuasive to me.

He's Te base because he amasses great amount of knowledge in his work, interests (psychology, medicine, etc). He comes to logical conclusions through analysis of the facts and he doesn't use subjective measure to arrive at what is a fact and what isn't. He is a dynamic type because he sees "how" things work, what people are doing, the activity of the objects and people. Even in myself, he's noticed that with certain people, I waste energy in particular ways/circumstances and he's pointed them out to me.

Si valuing because he feels people well; I can get "tired" and "slouchy" and he notices right away that I must be tired with little subtle hints and not extreme blatant ones that I find consistent with Alpha and Beta quadrant valuers.

He's Fi seeking because he buys random and considerate gifts for people and tries to build deep friendships and connections in the hopes that others will return the favor with emotional intimacy and by emotional intimacy I mean someone who will be there for him and with him, who will help him make sense of why people do the things they do and by doing so to also help him deal with some of his feelings towards such external events.

He has Ni polr, did anyone bother to ask him about this?

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Yeah, and you still type me LSI, so your 'experience' and credibility means very little to me right now. *edited to be more polite*

Anyway, Jadae, I think Delta ST is ridiculous.

I do agree that EIE seems off. In the quick version, I can more easily and readily see: Alpha NT, ESE, or IEE.

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I'm not changing your type. You're style of humor does not correspond to that of Jedi and Krae, who are both LSE. Think about what you're doing in the above. I feel volitional force. How? You're applying your style of thinking to affect me. Which I don't value and which Jedi doesn't do. In all the time I've tried to type him he's never said "you still type me LSI, so your 'experience' and credibility means very little to me right now." You're putting undo and unecessary pressure on me, in a critical manner. Did you know that Jedi had to go think about what I told him as to not criticise me, he came to the conclusion himself?

You see the difference is while Te judges the effectiveness of actions "Maritsa you typing him is a waste of your energy." Ti/Se judges the person's value. My value to you now is that I lost my credibility by typing you another type than you want. Do you see how that works? You're not doing Te because to Te, a person is more constant that the actions they take. To a Te, they will like me and want me even if I'm a less credible person, if they come to that decision, but they won't point that out because they are only concerned about the actions of the person.

Static "you still type me LSI"
Dynamic "Maritsa is typing people." "I went to the nursery today." "I AM doing this that or the other thing."

Se in the Static: "your 'experience' and credibility means very little to me right now."

not my actions or the pattern of consistency within my actions, but my "experience" and credibility and what that means to you (subjective qualifier) means little. So my actions did not determine what I mean, which is I type, that is my action, but how what I do relates to YOU.

He was upset that I tried to type him, but he was never "you're not good enough" attitude with me. That is the difference between LSI and LSE. I AM good enough is not one way than in the potential of another way and I certainly am never made to feel as little as you make me feel.

I'm inclined to say that what you're saying to me in the above would in my normal circumstance grant you the card to get out of a friendship with me. Because, I don't deserve to be treated like this. I help people not hurt them. If by typing you LSI I am somehow hurting you than fair be it. I'll type you ESFj or ESTj, just don't talk to me or engage with me because the same tone that you take with me in the above makes me very uncomfortable and makes me highly erratically emotional, I don't want that in my life.

Jedi is LSE.