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I refuse to build any space rockets until someone guarantees that there will be cookies.
1) Buy power tools 2) use power tools 3) become useful
How do I do this thing you speak of? :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saberstorm
just jesting ... never mind.
There are no cookies in outer-space.
I think it's pretty obvious who has the more valuable skill...
So? Isn't being horribly offensive to your friends a big Fi POLR fail? What good are they to criticize you? What good is building a rocket-ship if you have no friends to show it off to, nobody who wants to be around you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
Truth is we all have great potential inside us. It may save you emotional energy if you associate with people who encourage you, rather than discourage you.
P.S. Did you end up breaking into the house? :D
If anything, I have met alpha SFs who are extremely smart and achiever. And I have also met alpha NTs who are popular and diplomatic. Dualize, people!
What's admirable about Alpha SF:s imo is their ability to not take things too personally and adapt to different, even unpleasant situations and people so naturally. Their ability to smooth over awkwardness and cheer others is a skill I bet many would kill for. Also, their Si.. from a Se polr's point of view it's totally comparable to magic. It's not just about the cookies and comforts (that are great), but also the way they move and carry their bodies. You can see from afar how perfectly connected they are to the physical world and it's just plain beautiful to me. I can spend ages watching my Alpha SF friends skate or dance and never get bored.
So much this. A lot of time, alpha SF comes up with ideas that I have to be like, "Wellllllll....its a good idea, but it's not very practical....", but I can find a way to twist it, minimize it, and make it work better. You guys are also very good as sounding boards. You're good at listening to me rant and ramble about my latest obsession or ideas, and point out a side of things I hadn't considered that makes me see the issue differently and better resolve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agarina
On you're own, you're good at taking things you know and working those to your advantage; I feel like once an alpha SF does something, they store it away in a filing cabinet and can look up all the things they've done before to apply in any situation. You guys are very handy to have around. "*wail* my waterproof jacket isn't waterproof anymore; its too old i don't want a new one; I am sentimentally attached to this one; I don't care if water seeps through it, it has GIANT POCKETS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT." "There's actually this stuff I used a few years ago *rattles off technical details of things that can make a raincoat waterproof again*"
I feel like I'm always trying to find a new, creative way of doing something with little. I try to be MacGuyver and take what little things I have to make something that will patch together what I need, but SEIs are just like, "You know, you can get xyz for like $2 and it'll fix that in a half hour." >>;
So you're good for more than just cookies and milk. :P But I can see how an alpha SF would feel a bit left out when it comes to plotting or planning things.
My fellow students have all kinds of types. As far as I can see, there are probably two SEIs and two IEEs among them. But then again, our job involves not "planning" for the purpose of finding a fact-based strategy to keep the city working in a most efficient way, but rather to make things prettier by creating cool concepts and also check out how things will develop over time (both regarding aesthetics and functionality).
She said we could slice the window glass with a knife! :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
You still were the most important member of our expedition group imo. Your presence was a heavy motivational factor to me.
Remember that functions are about the modes of information. Although they usually do correlate with skills, but that's mostly because some types are more prone at adopting certain roles in life which will naturally develop skills needed. Keep in mind that your life's ultimate goal is something that is very suitable for SEIs.
If you would have been a Logical type (which are generally considered more "useful" or "practical"), then there would have been a great chance for you to become socially crippled when keeping in mind some of your asocial tendencies. That would have been counter-productive towards your goals as well.
Homo Sapiens is a pack animal so the ability to cheer up, communicate, make other's laugh etc are very valuable skills in themselves. It just doesn't manifest that clearly in the tangible world.
And it's not like your Dual is the most practical type either. "Hey look at me I can imagine abstract but logically cohesive structures."
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Originally Posted by Aquagraph
I can see how Te could be one of the most painful functions to have as polr, but it is quite endearing sometimes, too.
What can we deduce from what has been said itt:
If everyone was like x, x would be equal to being fucked.
yeah, its true. your type is kind of useless.
NOOOo WHY DID YOU TELL THEMMMMMMM :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
Glass cutter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
The diamond-tipped thing you can see on heist movies would have worked. When I mentioned this, she backed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozz
SHUT UP AQUAGRAPH :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :D
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Originally Posted by Aquagraph
These have to be the most adorable things I've read today hahahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
This reminds me of a story from my childhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
When I was in the lower grades in elementary school (1-2 maybe) I used to share the way with a girl from the neighborhood who also went to the same class (before she moved away). So we walked to the school together occasionally. Since it's pretty dark in the winter when school starts she took a flashlight with her one day. Right outside her house, she switched it on, but it was just faintly glowing. She tried again switch it off and back on, but nothing happened. Then she sticked it in the snow upside-down (for some reason) and tried it again and ta-da! it worked, the beam was strong and bright. Of course she was like "OMG, snow charges batteries!!!!" and I replied something like "Uhm, no. The flashlight had some defective contact and you holding it upside down fixed it for the moment." However, she saw what she saw and insisted on the fact that the snow had actually charged the batteries and that's why it worked.
Sigh.
Actually, I was watching Looney Tunes at work and thinking how Wiley E Coyote could easily have been an ILE. He would have REALLY benefited from an :Si: dual. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
Te valuing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pa3s
Te Polr valuing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phthalate
My frustration was less based on the weird/unreasonable conclusion, but rather on the fact that she insisted on her explanation of this phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
You are a terrible, terrible person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
But it is cute!
Listen. I bet you are really fun to be around. Don't worry about being the most brilliant or w/e. I have found out the things I don't feel are insightful are incredibly insightful to others. Just be yourself, be :Fe:, and just enjoy yourself when you hang out. Good things will come of it.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
There are so many things to say about this...
I think it's easier for ESEs to find a job they like and feel useful. SEIs are often more lost.
SEIs should not fear Te situations too much. That's when it really becomes a problem. It is very important to learn some routine in these situations, to be prepared. That's the way to fight the polr, to meet it half way. Let someone else deal with the tricky logistical problems, but learn some basic skills in logistics, because it is needed in almost any job.
Artistically talented SEIs should go for art, design, crafts, music imo. But most SEIs are not talented, of course. That's always an exception regardless of type.
Or "art" in the broader sense of the word. Some SEIs work with lighting in studios, or audio mixing etc. I think this is a good idea.
A mediator, someone who helps people, service. That's what socionics suggests. SEIs can be great at this, but it requires some work experience to free one's talents, because there are often other things involved that need to be learned.
I think it's better to put dreams aside, at least for awile, and try to do what one is actually good at. It can be a surprise.
That's how it should be :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
Bake more cookies and feelings of uselessness are going to go away.
An SEI once told me that cooking is no different than doing chemical lab work. They both involve mixing things together in a certain way. We'll definitely need your help in mixing and creating different chemicals needed to fight off that zombie breakout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
I never baked anything and I'm not useless. As for zombies toss that cake and cookies in their head. This way you're going to put your skills to good use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
You could at least die first to buy time for the useful people to get away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
That's a valuable talent.
You wouldn't die! Your super SEI powers and cake would placate even the most savage of zombies. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
I think as an SEI it's difficult not to feel useless. To top it off, many work situations in fields that SEI's don't suck at will have LSE's in positions of power.
Hmm, as an SEI I feel that part of the feeling of uselessness stems from a lack of autonomy. I often feel that I need an external source or guide to "help" me accomplish desires, etc, that others can easily do alone. This is a bitch because I'd much rather be an autonomous person. I also often have the sense that there are things I'd like to do, I just can't figure out how--it's not laziness, per se.
As for careers that SEI's "should" be good at:
I've noticed this trend in young writers that SLI's/ILI's will tend to do better than SEI's/IEI's, despite Fe-PolR in their writing--because they know better how to build their careers. I'd imagine that something similar goes on in the visual arts as well, particularly as a) a large segment of the contemporary art scene is digital/ conceptual (no particular advantage to being SEI there) and b) to be successful in such a field takes a lot of energy directed towards connection-making, self-promotion, etc etc.
SLI's tend to be better than SEI's at graphic design, I think. ESE's/LSE's will tend to be better at jobs such as interior design, styling, etc, etc, as those sorts of jobs take a certain degree of logistical adroitness combined with an ability to handle difficult clients. Although adept in personal kitchens, SEI's can be weak links in commercial kitchens, which run on a high-stress atmosphere (lots of yelling) and require maximum efficiency/precision.
As for academia (the other side of literature/the arts) EIE's/IEI's have an advantage because they're much more adept at manipulating ideas in their heads.
Anyway basically we're doomed. :D
Fuck this "You must be useful to society" bullshit. It's all a racket, foisted upon and perpetuated by the charmed and myopic to exorcise the creeping realization that, if they died, no one would miss them after a decade or two. There are 7 billion of our parasitic, self-serving race of hairless apes leeching the fuck out of this earth to no purpose but our own perpetual self-propagation. Sure, some engineers are working to mitigate the dileterious effect our existence has on the biosphere, but that's simply self-preservation. The fact is, most people are of no use to anyone but those in their immediate social circle. We may feign importance, but ultimately, the vast majority of everyone who has ever lived contributed little of lasting value.
Most non-SEI people are not rocket scientists, brain surgeons, biomedical engineers, et al. Most people are going about their lives, with a sphere of influence that is rather limited in scope. Some are slaving it in the thankless grind of our agricultural or manufacturing foundation, others frittering their lives away as cogs in self-perpetuating systems like academia or insurance or marketing which produce very little of anything that addresses our primal needs. Have you seen what goes on in a law firm? Or witnessed what sort of discussion happens in most board rooms? Or listened to pharmaceutical reps go through their rap? Dear God. Most people do jack shit most of the time. The salt of the earth (ethical doctors, nurses, those actually working to find solutions to environmental and social issues) are few and far between. Perhaps you will be one of them. Perhaps not. If not, you're not alone. Very few are cut out for that level of service.
So go on, girl. BAKE you cookies. Bake the fuck out of those cookies. It's more than what most of us really do most days anyway.
:love:
itt SEIs get patted in the back.
I think Jung said all Ixxps are useless. Don't sweat it.
I can break into a house fine though.Quote:
The two types [Introverted Sensation and Intuition] just depicted are almost inaccessible to external judgment. Because they are introverted and have in consequence a somewhat meagre capacity or willingness for expression, they offer but a frail handle for a telling criticism. Since their main activity is directed within, nothing is outwardly visible but reserve, secretiveness, lack of sympathy, or uncertainty, and an apparently groundless perplexity. When anything does come to the surface, it usually consists in indirect manifestations of inferior and relatively unconscious functions. Manifestations of such a nature naturally excite a certain environmental prejudice against these types. Accordingly they are mostly underestimated, or at least misunderstood. To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves -- because they very largely lack judgment -- they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion.
Your duals told you they have big brains? Bake some brain cake for the zombies to gain escape time and tell your duals you are sorry but you have to minimize the amount of people sacrificed while maximizing the quantity of the key ingredient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aivonaima
I already promised her that I will protect her during a zombie breakout. I did it for the cookies.
You mean you're always trying to come up with Si ways of dealing with work-Te? I believe it's the Ne's who come up with the ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by detail
Are you calling me SLI now? lol. No, that wasn't what I meant at all. I meant I try something new that hasn't been done before just for the hell of it. if it's already been done and proven effective, then I go and try a different way that may or may not be better. Either way, it's more fun to explore uncharted territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
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Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
"The IEE is keen on accumulating factual knowledge on subjects of personal interest and those that help him be more efficient and productive, but he's often unsure of his ability to find and select the correct information and is therefore attracted to people whom he sees as competent in that area and reassure him. He prizes efficiency,
I'm sorry but that screams out EFFICIENCY TO ME.
lol okQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
Did you read my quote? would you like me to compare it to what you wrote about yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts
You pick and choose and put words in other peoples mouths. I have no desire to discuss my type with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
Alpha SFs humanize the rest of us.
Pretty legit skill, if you ask me.
You think you're of no use? How effing practical is Fi?
Interesting. Please explicate.Quote:
Originally Posted by force my hand
Fi PoLR sometimes seems one of the best PoLRs there are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
Actually, I shouldn't be so weird about this; Fi helps people stay connected, to reach out to those who are alone, gather in altruistic causes, help family and friends through tough times, give love, care and support in physical and psychological ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
To all Alpha SF: Do not underestimate the impact you can have with your ability to assemble a team of experts using cakes and cookies. :popcorn:
Being a good person helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
I'm not an Fi-PoLR, but I find it hard to maintain any meaningful relationships with people unless I'm regularly exposed to them. Otherwise I just sort of lose interest in them, and there's no sense of friendship, whereas some (Fi-dominant) friends seem to be good friends with people from a while back even though they don't see them regularly. Mainly it's because they can be bothered to talk to them, but also they seem to have a better feeling for how the relationship's going and work with that.
That being said, I (being another Fi-devaluing alpha) believe Fi-PoLR's probably a better PoLR than some of the other ones. Beats all of the extroverted PoLRs at least.
In order to justify posting in this thread, I'll say that Alpha SF's are useful because they have to deal with the shy INTj's - see second most recent thread in the Alpha Forum.
Pft. Last year I was working with a SEI PhD student in environmental engineering, while I know of a certain LIE who creates characters in his head to make himself more appreciable.
Who gives a shit about being 'useful'? What is 'useful' anyway? Even fucking Einstein is getting dismissed in Physics right now, and he was known as the epitome of genius a couple of decades ago.
Now get back to your kitchens and make me a fucking grilled cheese sandwich.
Man the op is really getting down on themselves....SEI brings all inside of the pulsing whole, they see how everything fits and can make any situation balance, make any body balanced, are gifted at holistic yet practical thinking. I'd give anything to have one in my life!
The art of balancing people and situations is complicated, and SEI is the only type who can see how everything and everybody fits. That's a gift, don't knock it, and if cookies are a part of that package, so be it. Cookies go a long way w people.
Even the wild ideas of ILE find a place of usefulness in the world of SEI.
This sounds like how I think when I'm down on myself....like I'll say yeah SLE has Fi polr but at least they have some Se and have some idea of what people need...or look at IEE Ti polr, no one really cares about Ti anyway...yada yada yada.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowisthetime
You've got to understand and value your strengths and contributions....they're totally important...the socion would not be complete without you. Everybody has a burden in their weaknesses, but without your strengths society would fail.
Did you think I sounded negative? I actually tried to be constructive and see the talents of a SEI and how they can be put into practise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaze
I just think that SEIs need to partially adapt to what's demanded in working life, because that's the basic skills, the platform, that will allow them to use their strengths also. That's just how reality is.
I also think that many SEI don't see their skills as very important. Instead they are going for some "high end" field where they will be miserable. Not all SEIs of course. That's what I meant when I said it can be good to put dreams aside.
I think my strongest skills would be to help or guide people in some way, maybe help someone who is sick or elderly, or teach people to do some practical stuff. Something that involves relaxed personal communication. Because I am patient and I can adapt myself to the other person automatically. Being close without intruding. But unfortunately I don't really have any ambitions in that field. That's my problem :(
One amazing thing I've noticed about SEIs is that they can do a lot of stuff without making it awkward. Many things they do would make other's feel uneasy if it weren't for their laid back sincerity and the feeling that they know exactly what lines not to cross.
Imagine Parkster saying stuff that bionicgoat sometimes says. He's a hairy man in his thirties and he says "pervy" things but everyone seems to be like "AWW that's our bg".
Or maybe I'm just projecting.
How can alpha SF be useless if they are found among the world's respected professions like
Lawyer - SEI friend
The doctor I work for - ESE
my sister - aspiring Sociologist
police officers/law enforcement
actrors/performers/entertainers
the list goes on.
So you have found examples of people you typed as SEI and are "pillars of community". How reassuring to the (stereo)typical sluggish waste-of-human-resource SEI artists I love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
No lol u ryteQuote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
I don't know how you can feel useless! I just love alpha SFs. They can be whoever they want to be - they are have a sense of duty and they finish the things they start. My mother is an ESE and a doctor. My two ISFp friends are successful translators. And my grandma is one of the best people in the world!!!!!!!!!! When I was down, depressed and couldn't do anything she was the only person who really offered me some practical help. She came to me, she lived with me, cleaned my flat for me, did shopping etc. Once I came back home totally drunk, without shoes and I vomited on my front door. Then I decided to walk the dogs bare foot and I lost one of them... I went to sleep totally drunk and she had been waiting for the dog to come till early morning looking for him through the window :). She didn't even raise her voice the next day.
She's veeeeery practical. I also had rats at home (they came from the cellar) and I didn't want to kill them at the same time being very panicky when I happened to saw them. She poisoned the rats (without my knowledge) and was very comforting when I was crying when I saw them dying.
When she went to hospital she cut parts of newspapers with jokes because she wanted to make sad people laugh ...
I don't know, to me alpha SF are great, good people and it doesn't matter to me at all that their Te is so weak. If I were to choose the best type ever, with the biggest heart, that would probably be ISFp.
"Someone's out there building a fucking space rocket and all I can do is make amazing cookies.
A moon-motherfucking-rocket. "
WHO is building a rocket? Did you just mean there could be someone out there building a real rocket or do you know specifics? This is important to me and by answering it you will gain karma.
Hello, new forum member here.
The power of Ne tells me that you are probably of use, due to the fact that literally everything is of use. Chairs are of use. Books are of use. Children are of use.
You say you are good at baking. Maybe you could:
start teaching kids in your area to bake at an afterschool program
write a cookbook that aligns with the political ideals that you want to spread (i.e. sustainability, veganism, locally grown produce, etc.)
volunteer to cook at a homeless shelter
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowisthetime
When life as got you down, just call an Fi girl.
Find a ILE man, and let him use you :P
He will be powered by your need for Te, and will explain everything as long as you have questions.
Almost everybody is useful in some way.
I'd even say that virtually every Alpha SF is more useful than virtually every narcissistic stock trading douchebag who got us into the current recession (except for Alpha SF stock traders).
Just because what you like to do can't be expressed as a packaged commodity with a price tag doesn't make you useless; it can even make you more valuable.
(Unless what you "like to do" is murder, gold-digging or exploitation and so on; lots of wealthy folks are actually pretty good at #3)
I know it's an old thread that I'm resurrecting, but it just felt soo good reading this, I had to mention it. :)
I cannot count the number of times that I felt the ways described here. For many years I thought "well, I'm great at this and at that, oh and at that... but SO WHAT?! it's still useless." (and being surrounded at the time by mainly by Gamma quadra members pressuring me certain directions didn't help)
The moment I stopped letting other people's judgements of how I'm supposed to live my life and what will surely make me happy" matter, was the moment it all started going back on track. Maybe in theory some things aren't "efficient" especially money-wise, but life's luckily not only about getting the "results" the corporate-driven society expects... life's about living, ha! :)
Why do you want to be usefull? I just want to be loved (and fed and cuddled and hugged and all the other shit alpha SF's are good at ;-) )Quote:
Originally Posted by aisa
lol, this sounds very Alpha NT ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
I think every person wants to be useful on some level and it's ok. The part that's not ok (and that I was sort of addressing in my previous post) is when we start believing that there's only one sort of skill that's useful and stop seeing a broader perspective - that all humans have something valuable to share with others, some skill that's so natural to them that it goes unnoticed, while other people might crave getting its results
besides, let's go even further with the stereotypes... I not only want to be happy I also want to make other people happy through being useful - and that sounds Alpha SF... right? XD
Yesh yesh, I know, I was joking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by aisa
As for the content; I think it's maybe the use of the term "usefull" that irks me. I can see why people would like to contribute, to help to guard etc, feeling "usefull" sounds so....awefully sad in a way. Like being of use, it's clinical and or objectifying? Maybe that's me.
well, yeah yeah you were just trying to get a reaction, and probably one like this right? :bighug: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reficulris
hmm... yeah it does sounds "sad" in a way when it's linked with going against one's natural inclinations, but when it's going with who you are, "usefullness" is fine (yeah, I do realise what you meant was more semantics related than the content itself ;)) it's just a word like any other as long as it doesn't mean denying one's needs to be "useful" above everything else
Just speaking for me personally...
Being useful is nice if you want to be self-sufficient. I actually really agree with what Nowisthetime said earlier in the thread about going for less high-pressure jobs and ones in which Si will be of use, maybe as a part of a larger infrastructure in which someone else does the Te planning (although the Te-PoLR will always be painful)! But if you stick with an area of expertise there are probably ways to make up for that lack of Te with time and experience. Like right now when I imagine my life I really really want to be able to find a stable longterm job niche, take care of myself without major worries, and have time/ energy to pursue other meaningful things on the side. I don't get as easily bored with repetitive tasks as a lot of people I know so that wouldn't be so much an biggest issue.
The problem I run into most is that there's almost nothing an SEI can do at work that one of the other three Si types can't do better- so the trick is to find an area that is either reasonable in terms of market (i.e. not one of those jobs where there aren't many positions but there are a lot of people wanting to do them, despite low pay) or somewhat lower in terms of pay (compared to what an LSE can hope to make, for instance) so that you can find a place that is sustainable and makes sense.
Also being useful is good in general b/c otherwise it's really difficult to help people in times of need even if you "mean well." Fe is not useful to at least half of the population, including Fe-users themselves, whereas Te-assistance will almost always be concretely useful (even if they make the receiver uncomfortable.) That's my perspective anyway... I try to make up for lack of Te with generosity of time and resources (but I am not always generous with time or resources lol.)
@lemontrees I agree on the part that it's reasonable to try and work on what we perceive as weaknesses (depending on what we consider as such depending on a person, not necessarily tr), but still think it's more important to work on developing our strengths. I really don't share the pessimism in comparing SEIs to other types using Si. There's a place for everyone and therefore there are bound to be jobs that SEIs are better at than others and obviously also the other way round.
From my pov I'd rather focus on developing Ne than Te (it just feels trying to self-dualize might be more natural than working hard on PoLR). Having said that, there's obviously some level of Te that's necessary to function in the modern world ofc.
Basically there are jobs where various combinations of Si, Fe, Ti and Ne can be desirable and while it is a combo that ESEs also posess (when comparing Alpha SFs) - a more "tame" creative Fe of SEIs can sometimes be quite a big asset. So far what worked best for me was focusing on the things I find most interesting and enjoyable and then taking chances, checking what "works" and figuring out what else I need, where my weak points are and then trying to compensate to a reasonable level.
Chances are we're trying to say almost the same thing, but what I'd like to emphasize is that I disagree with this part "that there's almost nothing an SEI can do at work that one of the other three Si types can't do better". That's overly pessimistic to me.
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Originally Posted by lemontrees
Don't believe the hype about Te. Ti can be just as effective in the same settings.
The way I use Ti, I learn a system so thoroughly until most ambiguity is removed and I understand it (and all its possible states) completely (--> then I get bored and move on, but that's the Ne talking). It's not efficient, but it gives a clearer picture. Te types would focus more on learning the useful details they needed.
Anyhow.. I think you're on the right track by looking for a specialization. Not only do you have less to learn, but you'll be a valuable expert in no time by getting a thorough knowledge of it.
You don't need to be valuable to the whole population or even half of it, just to a certain select group of people in your life!Quote:
The problem I run into most is that there's almost nothing an SEI can do at work that one of the other three Si types can't do better- so the trick is to find an area that is either reasonable in terms of market (i.e. not one of those jobs where there aren't many positions but there are a lot of people wanting to do them, despite low pay) or somewhat lower in terms of pay (compared to what an LSE can hope to make, for instance) so that you can find a place that is sustainable and makes sense.
Also being useful is good in general b/c otherwise it's really difficult to help people in times of need even if you "mean well." Fe is not useful to at least half of the population, including Fe-users themselves, whereas Te-assistance will almost always be concretely useful (even if they make the receiver uncomfortable.) That's my perspective anyway... I try to make up for lack of Te with generosity of time and resources (but I am not always generous with time or resources lol.)
And FYI, Te is one of the boringest things EVER! I just had the worst conversation of my life with a Te type who wouldn't stop listing the pros and cons in terms of efficiency of different software tools for a project I'm working on. I told him that I'd rather program my own tools from scratch to utilize my knowledge of the concepts, but he had a hard time understanding why I'd waste so much time.
He only cared about the end result and how to get there more quickly. And it wasn't even to go do something else that's more fun, which I'd totally be down for, but due to efficiency for its own sake. Fucking soulless automatons. J/k not really.
You think it sucks having all these weaknesses? Try being one of the poor fuckers that have to actually solve the problems.
lmao, the last comment just killed the thread! XD
obviously this thread wasn't a vent thread... it was a thread of whiny Alpha SFs, who never come across problems irl and work, much less never ever are able to solve them efficiently without the Te types :P :)
There's a lot I can say about this, but in order to steer away from more ranty stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by xerx
Ti is just hot. I really want a Ti-machine in my room that I can occasionally cuddle.
ps- thanks for your input, it was really heartening!
hey, if you feel like ranting - rant! and we'll cheer you up :bighug:Quote:
Originally Posted by lemontrees
you're in Alpha Quadra section the only place in the world (;)) where ranting is allowed :)
I'll keep telling you that I disagree if you complain that sth's out of reach, but not to make you feel like you can't say it out loud... it's meant to lift you up, not bring you down
if you need to get sth out of your system, then do :) and then I'll tell you it's ok, tell you what worked for me, the Alpha NTs will give their solutions and say they love you and then we'll have a group hug, and I might even make an exception and bake some cookies ;)
Haha. It was mostly that I was going to go into examples of Te gone all wonky, or Te's effect on me, but I decided that we probably already agreed on those examples without me naming them and also that I'm equally egregious sometimes with Si, so there was no need to talk about it in a public forum where there are Te-valuing people. But mostly I got lazy and wanted to envision the Ti-cuddle-machine...
I would totally eat your cookies, aisa!