What physical features do you find attractive?

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Yes, your descriptions do sound a lot like male SLI characteristics. I wonder why your visual preferences are so different?

FWIW, my visual and personality preferences also differ from each other. For me, the typical ESI is not that attractive. (Well, TBH, the typical person is not that attractive to me. Even if they are beautiful, I might not be attracted to them.) The best looking ESI's are what I would call visually atypical. Their personalities are just right, though.

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All I know is: my personality imago is enneagram 1 as hell.

That would be the perfect example of what Cassandra described, discrepancy between visual and character imago preference.

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Originally Posted by Chae

EUREKA moment!

Both you and @Adam Strange are projecting. Do you notice what's going on?

And yes, the artsy victim style. But it's not Kate Upton that I like outside of this shoot, merely this portrayal.

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Hmmm. Isn't projecting where you assign your own properties to someone or something else? What would I be projecting?

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

Hm, I wouldn't call it projecting, but it is obvious we have formed certain "Ni ideas" on how certain types may present themselves.
And it is clear that for some reason, a lot of people I'd type as ESI would be typed as IEI by others (including him).
Different interpretations of the same kind of person, I suppose. A similar chasm exists between SLI and LSI. Many people type one person as LSI, whereas the others would swear they are SLI. This is one of the issues with Socionics...

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You both lack experience and understanding. That will come in time.

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Originally Posted by Chae

That would be the perfect example of what Cassandra described, discrepancy between visual and character imago preference.

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I don't think there has to be a discrepancy between visual and character Imago preferences.

For instance, my visual Imago is predominately dark-haired and/or has dark eyes, etc.
Many different types can have that combination. :p

However, if you mean by "visual" how someone dresses themselves, and/or how they move and smile and talk, then I'd say this is actually closer to the character part, because those aspects are influenced by personality (types).

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

Hm, I wouldn't call it projecting, but it is obvious we have formed certain "Ni ideas" on how certain types may present themselves.
And it is clear that for some reason, a lot of people I'd type as ESI would be typed as IEI by others (including him).
Different interpretations of the same kind of person, I suppose. A similar chasm exists between SLI and LSI. Some people type one individual as LSI, whereas the others would swear they are SLI. This is one of the issues with Socionics...

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The issue ain't theory, it's about the subjective and predisposed views of people :hello: Adam is SLE-ing again, and you - the person who types ESI after ESI, I've seen your blog - are in the same mechanism :shock: Personally I cannot categorize all of my pictures as Beta NF, they all differ so much.

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

I don't think there has to be a discrepancy between visual and character Imago preferences.

For instance, my visual Imago is predominately dark-haired and/or has dark eyes, etc.
Many different types can have that combination. :p

However, if you mean by "visual" how someone dresses themselves, and/or how they move and smile and talk, then I'd say this is actually closer to the character part, because those aspects are influenced by personality (types).

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Nah, the truth is somewhere in between here :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Aylen

You both lack experience and understanding. That will come in time.

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That's a very sweeping statement...
Especially considering Adam's (dating) history and such, how is he inexperienced?? Haha.
Oh well. xD

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

Hmmm. Isn't projecting where you assign your own properties to someone or something else? What would I be projecting?

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SLE 8. Just as in your presentation of how IEEs approach SLIs above, same principle happened.

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Originally Posted by Chae

The issue ain't theory, it's about the subjective and predisposed views of people :hello: Adam is SLE-ing again, and you - the person who types ESI after ESI, I've seen your blog - are in the same mechanism :shock: Personally I cannot categorize all of my pictures as Beta NF, they all differ so much.

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My blog, you mean my deleted blog entry on the types of some of the people on this forum?
Well, I've also got a typing blog where most people on there aren't ESI, so... It is not like I type most people I come across as ESI by default. :p

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

That's a very sweeping statement...
Especially considering Adam's (dating) history and such, how is he inexperienced?? Haha.
Oh well. xD

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Big picture.

He might have dated lots of types but doesn't seem he has any depth of understanding. Perhaps you have had deeper conversations with him. I go by the posts I have read.

Is your thumbnail green?

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Originally Posted by Aylen

You both lack experience and understanding. That will come in time.

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/furious choir chants of :Ni: :Ni: :Ni: intensify/

Now, what would be your assessment of my pictures?

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

My blog, you mean my deleted blog entry on the types of some of the people on this forum?
Well, I've also got a typing blog where most people on there aren't ESI, so... It is not like I type most people I come across as ESI by default. :p

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/imitates Aylen/ You will see what I mean... in time :hello:

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Originally Posted by Aylen

The hairstyle is not type related. There are plenty of deltas here who have played with similar styles. IEE fits Chae very well actually. Her Ne and Fe is 4d but she feels more delta NF to me and obviously herself. Ne is even more obvious than Fe. Fi is on par with other IEE I know. Take another look at chae but this time, see her as a whole being. Pay attention to what she is saying to you. You don't always "listen" because you have a head full of your own ideas about people that don't always match up to reality. :/

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Almost overlooked this post! Ahh cute. ~<3 Strangey can step up his game but I let a drag queen gif tell him that from time to time no worries.

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Originally Posted by Chae

/furious choir chants of :Ni: :Ni: :Ni: intensify/

Now, what would be your assessment of my pictures?

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My assessment is your angelic looking creatures are amazing to look at. I would have to really focus on their energy and maybe read something about them to even offer a typing. I would rather do that in private. <3

^ The safe answer.

I have one more I wanted to post! Mom gave me a postcard with this image when I was 10,11? Don't know. Either way, I find this sooo appealing.

Dicap 1997 by Annie Leibowitz:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-st...58201536-7.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aylen

My assessment is your angelic looking creatures are amazing to look at. I would have to really focus on their energy and maybe read something about them to even offer a typing. I would rather do that in private. <3

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Angelic is good! Handjob is among that collection since day one hehe. Sweet offer! I was merely asking for a vibe feeling but if you like the complexity of it, why not it's enlightenting for sure :D

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

Hm, it often is parent-based (esp. the parent who has the sex you are the most attracted to).
However, it can also be based on any other person who's had a significant impact on you. It could also be cultural to an extent.
Many factors go into it, it's not always easy to tell.

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Like the boy who saved my life when I was drowning type? I only saw him for less than a minute. I have been attracted to that type even before I hit puberty. That is not all I find attractive though. Many factors do go into it.

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

^ The safe answer.

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What would be the unsafe one... wohaha

https://s3.amazonaws.com/neowin/foru...7c56ce272c.gif

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Originally Posted by Chae

SLE 8. Just as in your presentation of how IEEs approach SLIs above, same principle happened.

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I think I can appear like an SLE e8 for a short time and from a distance, but I consistently test as an LIE with lots of Se, which I attribute to being sx-first and to the test's inabilities to perfectly separate the two. Also, I know a lot of IEI females, but I've never had sex with one, despite having one who wants a LTR. I'm actually attracted to Aggressors.

And Aylen might be right about my depth of understanding. I've been flying by the seat of my pants, out of Delta and into Aggressorland, and that probably accounts for a lot of my wanderings. However, I will say, I do know what feels right, and it is both Gamma and Aggressor.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I think I can appear like an SLE e8 for a short time and from a distance, but I consistently test as an LIE with lots of Se, which I attribute to being sx-first and to the test's inabilities to perfectly separate the two. Also, I know a lot of IEI females, but I've never had sex with one, despite having one who wants a LTR. I'm actually attracted to Aggressors.

And Aylen might be right about my depth of understanding. I've been flying by the seat of my pants, out of Delta and into Aggressorland, and that probably accounts for a lot of my wanderings. However, I will say, I do know what feels right, and it is both Gamma and Aggressor.

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I know from experience how tests only mirror how you want to see yourself, not how you actually are. But as you said, rain drops, your type will find you ~.~

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

^ The safe answer.

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LOL I don't even know these people. How do you expect me to know their personality after viewing them a few seconds? If you observed more and let things synthesize in your brain your typings would be more accurate. You go for for superficial details.

You seem to see yourself as the one true oracle on this forum. That is not true intuition. It is arrogance. Go on and type me ESI or some other random far off type. I have told you before I was you once. Life is going to knock you down a peg or two over time. It will prove you wrong repeatedly until you get the message. Then maybe you will find the true intuitive voice inside you. Remember I said this.

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Originally Posted by Chae

I know from experience how tests only mirror how you want to see yourself, not how you actually are. But as you said, rain drops, your type will find you ~.~

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I work with two SLE's, an SLE-Ti and an SLE-Se, and they both treat me like a Benefactor rather than an Identical. One of the Conflictor SEI's at work hates everything about me, the other gets distressed from cognitive dissonance when I talk to her for more than a few minutes, despite the fact that I like her a lot. Plus, none of the IEI's here seem to be going out of their way to be nice to me. (Lol. Not that that's a bad thing.) My SLI father and son Supervisors both think I'm a screw-up. Also, I took those tests before I knew anything about LIE's or SLE's or enneagrams or stacks.

Oh, well. At least, no one has called me LSE in a while. :)

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Originally Posted by Aylen

LOL I don't even know these people. How do you expect me to know their personality after viewing them a few seconds? If you observed more and let things synthesize in your brain your typings would be more accurate. You go for for superficial details.

You seem to see yourself as the one true oracle on this forum. That is not true intuition. It is arrogance. Go on and type me ESI or some other random far off type. I have told you before I was you once. Life is going to knock you down a peg or two over time. It will prove you wrong repeatedly until you get the message. Then maybe you will find the true intuitive voice inside you. Remember I said this.

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She's starting to remind me of a certain arrogant EII/LII combo t16t member you had a beef with.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

I work with two SLE's, an SLE-Ti and an SLE-Se, and they both treat me like a Benefactor rather than an Identical. One of the Conflictor SEI's at work hates everything about me, the other gets distressed from cognitive dissonance when I talk to her for more than a few minutes, despite the fact that I like her a lot. Plus, none of the IEI's here seem to be going out of their way to be nice to me. (Lol. Not that that's a bad thing.) My SLI father and son Supervisors both think I'm a screw-up. Also, I took those tests before I knew anything about LIE's or SLE's or enneagrams or stacks.

Oh, well. At least, no one has called me LSE in a while. :)

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That one is second on my list. Your anecdote about Cary Grant's suit, I remember it :D (Plot twist: Him and Clint Eastwood are your Imago types :love2:)

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Originally Posted by Chae

That one is second on my list. Your anecdote about Cary Grant's suit, I remember it :D (Plot twist: Him and Clint Eastwood are your Imago types :love2:)

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No LIE anywhere to be seen, eh? Bummer.

What do LIE's seem like to you, @Chae? In terms of looks, behaviors, preferences?

Eh, ideal attractiveness has a lot to do with culture and the country that you grew up in...

For example, this is Germany's "ideal face" of a female:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-st...-3.jpg?no-auto

Original:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-st...03717643-6.jpg

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez...vvM#.roEOrBggJ

This seems to go in line with Chae's preference for more soft and ethereal look.

@Singularity good viewpoint!! Since Germany is very culturally Beta ST this could be the explanation why I select Beta NF members. Soft faces are somewhat valued here, less in males.

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Originally Posted by Adam Strange

No LIE anywhere to be seen, eh? Bummer.

What do LIE's seem like to you, @Chae?

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Go to the Elon Musk thread, I posted there :purr:

Warm built bodies. Broad shoulders. Expressionless cold-ish faces.
That's why most LSIs turn me on :)

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Originally Posted by Chae

What would be the unsafe one... wohaha

https://s3.amazonaws.com/neowin/foru...7c56ce272c.gif

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This made me laugh, haha! :lol:
Let's just put this to rest... :p

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Originally Posted by Chae

I have one more I wanted to post! Mom gave me a postcard with this image when I was 10,11? Don't know. Either way, I find this sooo appealing.

Dicap 1997 by Annie Leibowitz:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-st...58201536-7.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/kNsdXln.jpg

:lol:

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Originally Posted by Cassandra

This made me laugh, haha! :lol:
Let's just put this to rest... :p

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You're so cute lmao :love2: Yeah let's focus on more swan memes please :biggrin:

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It's impossible for me to be seriously attracted to someone without knowing their personality/vibe.

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I don't find them to be attractive-attractive, but I just find their faces to be interesting:

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http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3093430/th...EFFA-570.jpg?1

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/phot...17-500-402.jpg

This is pretty much an ideal face for me:

http://ancientrome.ru/art/artwork/sc...tus/aug116.jpg

I'm sure that there are more if I bothered to look, but I'm too lazy.

For women, it's super cool if they're either emotionless, expressionless or sometimes have a mischievous smile.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

I don't find them to be attractive-attractive, but I just find their faces to be interesting:

For women, it's super cool if they're either emotionless, expressionless or sometimes have a mischievous smile.

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So what is attractive-attractive to you? ;)
Besides, are you bisexual? Just asking, because you posted both men and women, and not everyone does that in one post.

jessica lange when she was young, oh gosh

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e7ab4333b0.jpg
she's still hot now that she's old too tho, gah. i want her to STEP ON ME and carve me hollow with her cheekbones idhgdl

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and here's Jean Shrimpton!! i guess i just really love carved out looking faces if that makes sense? ugh, i'm bad at descriptions

when it comes to guys, i'm really picky... i can't really think of what i find physically attracting in men. maybe broad shoulders and strong cheekbones?

Hmm... I think a dude with a giant antennae-like cowlick sticking up from the middle of his hair. Because after my hair cut it put the cowlick that has always been there in to full motion. With other hair cuts I could hide it. We could build a doomsday device in space, both wear evil capes, and control the doomsday device via our PSI cowlicks. Psychokino in unison.

Heterochromia and squat booty.