IEIs, what does your Si role look like in action? Do you have trouble focusing on your body and the present moment?
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IEIs, what does your Si role look like in action? Do you have trouble focusing on your body and the present moment?
Not knowing what to do/say to get the desired effect. Eating snack food for energy and weird sleeping habits. Popping my joints excessively while i was younger.
These are actually reasonable signs of weak, unvalued Si.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
I've only learned in recent years to even *notice* if I have a fever or feel sick. Meaning spending a day in bed feeling shitty and working out I'm sick at the end of it. For a while I kept a thermometer nearby and measured my temperature here and there to build up an understanding of what various subjective states meant.
Occasional derps in noticing a physical chain of events, eg: "if the pan handle that I am about to pick up has been over an open flame for a few minutes then it will be hot."
I can focus on the present moment but that's done more through, say, how vivid and awesome a colour looks than through how, iunno, blue I feel. The feelings are subjectively not processed via my body if that makes sense.
Strong hatred of japanese tea ceremony. Listening to one for a few seconds literally made me want to break stuff. One aim of said ceremony afaik is, in bastardised terms, a coalescence of one's active consciousness with one's gestures and environment. Inner stillness via identifying with graceful outer actions. (Not sure "identifying" is the right term since it implies ego but it'll do.)
Strong discomfort with listening to eg: meditative indian music with its expectation of "relaxing" me. Bitch imma relax when I want to let me mentally process this in peace.
Fwiw, I wouldn't listen to meditative music either. If anything, I see other types go about convoluted or mystical ways to relax.
yeah, i feel i'm never really "there" or in the moment. the immediate physical world is like a background to whatever's going on in my head. if i really want to experience something sensually i (or someone else) have to actively force myself to pay attention to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PistolShrimp
i often end up indulging in various near-neurotic behavior regarding my body and my health. for example i can get on these kicks where i spend massive amounts of time researching all the harmful effects of the ingredients in my beauty products, makeup, and toiletries, and then feeling like i have to buy expensive all-natural stuff to protect myself, and to feel & look better. i have sensitive skin prone to acne, so that is definitely a sore spot for me that often instigates some neurotic kind of behavior.
another example would be my weight. i always feel like i could lose some weight and there have been times in the past where i began an extremely strict (i.e. unsustainable) diet and exercise plan immediately because i was feeling gross/ugly/unhealthy and did end up losing weight, just not in the best or healthiest way.
i "have" to do certain things to feel comfortable and clean. i have long, time-consuming routines both for getting ready in the morning, and for getting ready for bed at night involving the application of many beauty products, cleansers, lotions/moisturizers, things to smell good, etc. (maybe this is just a girl thing though.)
i can relate to what @GuavaDrunk said about only just beginning to learn these seemingly basic things about how things effect me physically. e.g. i have only recently learned how important sleep is for me - apparently i need a good amount of it to not look tired (and it helps my skin to sleep a lot too.) i'm beginning to be a little pickier with food as i am only just beginning to understand how some it makes me feel better/worse than other kinds of food do. these days i pay more attention to possible symptoms of sickness; before i could go hours or even days without realizing that i probably had a cold. etc.
basically i have a hard time establishing a stable sense of feeling naturally, physically comfortable in my own skin. but i try really hard to. i almost can't help it.
I think that's a good way of putting it. For whatever reason not processing or relating to things through one's body, ignoring that potential. And hence not (naturally, as in it has to be learned) relating to one's body either. Possibly not caring about that beyond sheer everyday functioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
Rick mentioned on his website a tendency in (theory that?) people who use their Base function a lot in everyday life to take up hobbies involving their Role in comparatively simple activities. I used to row during school and have many memories of just absorbing myself in the feel of the situation, environment, what my body was doing and how smoothly I could get it to move. Polishing my technique without hurry, until it shone. (Note: This was all in a single scull.) Rowing requires a stupid amount of repeating the same movement so it's basically not that complicated and leaves you free to do whatever coughdaydreamcough once you have the basics down. Anyone else notice that kind of hobby?
Another thing that may be related, the instinctive way I learn complicated sequences of movements. I stumble through creating muscle memory of what I want to do and *then* put it all together and.. basically forget about it. Learn just enough to get by and then get back to the overall problem of what to do tactically speaking. Meaning a lack of awareness of what my body does *during* a whole dance or whatnot.
This applies to most any physical skill like using a video game controller or learning a dancing or martial arts movement. Exceptions are activities where life experience hath provided already.
I've learned to mentate about what I'm doing physically over time which accelerates the process a lot. Actually got that from rowing. \o/
Fuck yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by octo
Excellent wording.Quote:
Originally Posted by octo
A lot of stuff you said is foreign to me, but I want to say dancing isn't type related. I suck at it too.. but in my case, a lot of the anxiety and being uncomfortable in my skin is social. I shut down in certain settings (like a club, for sure).Quote:
Originally Posted by octo
But being Si or Se could help with dancing. Kinda like you get a better starting position. If you never practice, of course you'll somewhat suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by stray
I've always thought of it as an expressive activity more than sensing (and maybe as far as Si types go, ESEs and SEIs would definitely be more into it). It gives me the same kind of misgivings as being merely participatory in parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Yet I know I don't have problems with sensing. I could be at a lake party or something and freeze up if people are drinking and dancing around. Being asked to do that is the worst thing. Yet, I might crawl up a cliff and jump off or swim far into the lake and back before I tire myself.
Oh, I wasn't talking about social dancing either. :)
OK, I see what you mean. And Aivo is right, I haven't really tried, but I can't see myself having a prob with that specifically. I could transfer the experience of precise movements to other things I do or learned easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by octo
Yeah I was going to quote that tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Grandpa Rob
IMO both IEI and ILI often have an emphasis on sensuality in their behaviour, clothes, movements. The role is not something that is lacking, it's more of a way to present yourself to the world I think.
I have had dancing as a hobby for many years (social dancing: salsa etc.) I do think it is type related to some extent: The best dancers are Se-Ni. Dance teachers are surprisingly often EIE or SLE. I know an extremly good dancer who is ILI.Quote:
Originally Posted by stray
I don't think dancing necessarily is a sensing thing, or have to be. It's often an Ni thing.
I vacilate alot on stuff like diet, grooming, self-care habits. It's hard for me keep up with those things, because I'm :Ni:ing in my head, to be bothered with the shit around me.... :Si: is an internal nag to me not something that I revel in at every oportunity like a SXI would.Quote:
Originally Posted by PistolShrimp
examples???
It's hard for me to decide exactly what I want in the supermarket - where their are many choices of food - especially if it's the same item, I walk out a lot without buying anything. I have a much easier time picking clothes that look good on me because I've learnt the power of color using it to complement my natural complexion via the 12 blueprints color analysis. I guess you can learn very effective ways to deal with your role!
I don't know if this is related more to Te-polr or the combination of my super-ego but I have had a difficult time budgeting myself since living alone. I had plenty of money for food last month but I ended up eating ramen and coffee for 10 days at the end because I spent all my money in the first week stupidly. My mum who's :Si: creative has really helped me out with advice... for one thing I'm buying all the non-perishable essentials right at the beginning of the month, saved money so far.. but we're only on day 5. :shifty:
Have you tried a diet? What you eat can make a lot of difference. My skin is also prone to acne, and for myself I've found that food makes a huge difference. Basically, to counter acne you need to avoid eggs, milk products, chocolate, meat, and everything that contains saturated fats. Anything fried in oil will contain a lot of those, so bascially it's best to stick to raw, boiled, and grilled foods. Fruit and vegetables is the healthiest thing you can and should consume in abundant quantities, the more raw and less processed the better. Organic is preferred, of course. Also, avoid hot drinks and spicy foods, as they will irritate your skin. And if I could pick one single thing, I'd say STAY AWAY FROM MAYONNAISE.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
There are probably a lot of online sources at this time and age to guide you in the right direction, if you're willing to try this approach. The potential benefits are big, as your diet affects your health in general, not just your acne. When I was all covered in pimples during early puberty I tried lots of things, and (maybe somewhat surprisingly) having control over what I ate made the most difference. Many people think that acne is a skin problem, when it actually is just a manifestation of what's going on inside your body. So keep that in mind.
lol, I've done similar things as a teenager. IPs tend to look for the "quickest" way. Once I put myself on a self-prescribed apples-only diet for 5 or 6 days, and I literally only consumed apples and water. I cleansed my skin and got rid of some toxins in my body, but I was like a walking zombie during that week. Barely had the energy to walk around the house or talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
This, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
Me too. Kinda. But for me the only reason is laziness. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
^^ I now know that being :Si: base doesn't equal superior knowledge in nutrition then.
:)
:lol::love:Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
My SEI mom is super into that type of music, and whenever I hear it coming through the wall between her bedroom and mine, I compulsively reach for my headphones.
I can really relate to the neuroses surrounding skin issues, having dealt with bad acne myself since puberty. I too use all natural products after having done research on things like parabens. I also adopted a strict diet after reading about certain foods that can cause acne, even when I wasn't sure if they caused mine; turns out, my skin looks better when I eat lots of cane sugar, ice cream and fruit and drink coffee with milk every day than it ever did on a strict diet. It'd be interesting if this type of thing were related to type; my body has always felt more like a nuisance than something to be enjoyed. More often than not I'll be thinking, "C'mon now, body, behave already!"Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
This is not so much a hobby, but I find myself enjoying a bit of simple, repetitive physical work. I work at a bakery, and enjoy letting my body go on autopilot there, arranging trays of cookies in simple patterns and folding bakery boxes while my mind wanders.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
Not sure if Se vs. Si because my SLE dad likes to say "Everything in moderation" re: diet, while my SEI mom is an extremely picky vegetarian. I do crazy all-out diets too, more to gain weight than to lose it though. I'll eat pints of ice cream at a time when I can afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by octo
Same here. I'm forcing myself to take a burlesque dancing course to get better at this, and am nervous as all fuck to start. :lol:Quote:
I'm very bad at dance routines and making things look smooth, if I have to concentrate on more than one body part at a time. I'm good with muscle memory though, and like GD, I like to space out and let muscle memory take over. I think that has to do with other functions more than the other stuff I described above.
Just a side note: This sentence reminded me of Steve Jobs' Biography. Are you two related? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Park
LOL, I don't believe we are. But I guess it's in the nature of successful people to be self-disciplined and do radical things. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozz
yeah fascinating! I took up knitting, spinning and weaving as hobbies. ALL of which have that not-so-complicated-once-you-know-how-to-do-it quality. I can knit socks and daydream at the same time. Mindless but yet you're creating something!Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
Si role - Eating food thats been thrown in the trash, because it hasnt touched anything else yet, and because you cant stand it when your Si-ego roommate wastes good food.
I'm pretty certain that's not the case with Si Role. That sounds much more basing ones decisions on a fundamental concept of how things should be "to not waste food."Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
"I will not waste food and I don't think others should" so the person will do things around them to tailor suit this belief.
Diam0nd's post is right on.
Budgeting and Te aren't related; I know LSE who are the WORSE at finance. Find food pantries near by; take advantage of the government assisted food programs. People like me don't pay a shit ton of taxes so people can starve. I refuse to let that happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diam0nd
yeah try 49K last year. IN TAXES ALONE. NOT INCLUDING PROPERTY TAXES. Nobody had better be starving. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa33
some things that come to mind... being strictly aware of what I should wear in a certain environment, based on the mood I associate with it, while having difficulty finding the best combination, which usually leads to a black shirt or polo, so I try to isolate the most basic categories.
another thing that octo and guava touched on -- wanting to program my body. I've come to find a solid hybrid between psytrance, nicotine, meditation and old black-and-white films (this is more related to the above, weaving different eras' moods into each other) to hardwire myself in both a grimly realistic and spiritually tempered way. it's also partly why I did so much lsd at once, I wanted to 'swallow the serpent' so to say, kind of like a backwards cleansing process; and so is it that thoughts and moods become dominoes, and I can expend less energy effecting or stabilizing an entire inner experience based on the smallest details. this may be why I preferred martial arts over other sports. for one, it was purely self-driven, but also a nice blend of scientific repetition and artistic finesse, which kind of unfurled into its own with enough technical honing.
definitely relate to this. my LSI trainer and I used to really enjoy using the punching mitts. he would just say what we were gonna do and within the first few sequences it would be perfected.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk
can't say this isn't true either. no matter what, I'm always bound by some kind of grim nostalgia to the reflection, like I would drain my body if it meant securing the stage. 3dom mainly, but Si gives it this tactile precariousness, where being struck by the minutest sensory detail sparks a mirrored hallway of haunting voices and hollowed out screams of entrails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowisthetime
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa33
Lol I remember jadae once talking about certain stimuli triggering a feeling of being engulfed in silence that I related a lot to in terms of weak/insecure Si. It's like I have to walk on the edge of the razor of my internal states, because to not push would mean wallowing, and yet to bring my surroundings into alignment causes an upwelling of hollow desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
yeah, sometimes I'll try to consciously 'come to,' as if somehow reality is showing itself in basic form by my tuning out all 'irrelevant' thoughts and feelings, which then only builds a sense of sterile desolation, and leads back to lateral drifting, which can justify itself at times, but is more like blindly dying than sadly living. the whole spiel has always left me pissed off and somewhere between the mindset of a CEO and suicidal music teacher, and is only ever tempered by this kind of primitive neutrality that, with the help of hallucinogens, reminds me I'm already dead anyhow, and I might as well game for its own sake, rather than be pulled into delusive notions of winning or losing, and the false dreams they keep afloat.
<3 thisQuote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
Its frustrating, but also offers a kind of reassurance. At least it forces perspective.
I remember the first time it happened. It began as an almost pleasant thing, like I could check out for a moment, press semi-pause on life for a while, take a step back. Then I became slowly addicted, like it had been hunting me all along and slowly forced me to realize that I had no choice. Then followed my attempts at vindication and total incorporation, which spawned a lot of neuroses but also a lot of comprehension, and ultimately completed the circle for the first time somewhere around 20. Since then the cycles come quicker and quicker, and are growing more or less irrelevant, besides being reminders. They are unpredictable though, sometimes I don't recognize that I'm being preyed upon by myself for a whole day at a time, and thats shitty.
It does help to know you have an anchor, I'll say that much. Its narcissistic to over-emphasize, though.
To me, Si role in the IEI translates to the IEI's tendency in trying to make other people comfortable but it doesn't come out quite as organic as when the lookalike, SEI does it.
So it's more projected outward than something inner focused. It's a role.
Not certain that something like this is even type related at all. You're probably thinking of IEI as being more "Faggy and physically weak" then we really are or something... like I can understand how you would get that perception but it's a stereotype. =pQuote:
Do you have trouble focusing on your body and the present moment?
It might not be type related, sure. I was just wondering if valuing Ni, which tends toward abstraction and a focus on patterns over time, makes focusing on Si things like physical comfort and the present situation challenging, because you can't use both functions at the same time according to Socionics (if my understanding is correct). I don't think IEIs are weak at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by strrrng
BnD: Trouble focusing on one's body (or lack of wish to :whistle:) and the present moment not obligatorily = to physical weakness.
Guess I misunderstood. Sorry. =D
I also totally love letting my body go on autopilot whilst I ponder. :D I used to take walks around the edge of the porch or sit on the swings when we had them in our backyard. God I miss those swings...Quote:
Originally Posted by PistolShrimp
Weak Si for me mostly takes the form of diffuse and vague memories, feelings, and perceptions that lack in specificity and concreteness. Reading between the lines. Passively searching for what's implicit, what wasn't overly shown or expressed. Absorbing themes and contexts, discarding the actual individual perceptions that came along with them after they have been 'summed up' into themes by Ni. Perceiving what could be rather than what directly is. Feeling "at home" when the situation is vaguely defined, when there is little information to go by, when conversation is understated and fewer words are exchanged. Filling in the gaps if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PistolShrimp
Si-leading and to some extent Si-activating types in contrast seem to have rather concrete, solidified inner perceptions. There is no diffusion and blending of their perceptions, no intuitive 'smearing' in how they comprehend written material. When they express themselves, it makes them sound more confident of their perceptions and experiences than Ni-valuers. And they don't want anyone else encroaching on those experiences.
esper also made an interesting post comparing Si-valuing to valuing "inner stability": http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ted-sensing-Si
That is how I feel, too. If there is no external stimulation, no activity around me, I start to shut down, feel bored and disengaged. I've noticed that Si/Ne types are able to create this kind of engagement and stimulation in each other through conversation. A fine day spent talking. This is fine initially but over the long run starts to feel dull to me, like a distant hum of a neighborhood highway, since nothing happens beyond the discussion. I end up feeling restless and jittery from all the energy that I've built up that finds no outlet through the mere interplay of words.Quote:
This I see as innately different from what Si is seeking, a difference in the way they walk and talk and think, in what they desire out of life. They seem to approach stimulai with a desire to create a sense of "okayness" (which is all good and dandy for them), while I desire to create a definite sense of stimulation in one direction or another, not content with just internal stability and feeling rather frustrated by it after a time. They can wallow in environments where there is not alot of definite stimulation one way or another and still be present to the situation and active in it, which I admire them for and wish I could be content with; in such a situation, I feel like I am drowning, and must escape.
Things I've seen attributed to Si that are NOT role Si related imo:
- Enjoying cooking/being able to cook. I'm acquainted with an IEI and an ILI both of whom love to cook and show off their signature dishes if they have guests (both of them are sp/so coincidentally).
- Becoming aware of falling sick. I feel it right away if my temperature is slightly elevated and my throat is getting sore, and take steps to recover quicker e.g. leave for home earlier to get more rest, dress warmer, eat more fruits and veggies, etc. I suspect this has more to do with devalued self-preservation instinct of so/sx and sx/so stackings than Si.
- Weird sleeping habits. I remember posting about this in of the ILI threads and Park replied that he has the same issue, but there is hardly anyone who would disagree with his SLI self-typing. Having lived with Si egos I've noted that they can have wonky sleeping schedules.
- Poor dietary habits. I've known many Si egos who wouldn't watch what they eat, eat junk food or not check the ingredients, and it would be me pointing this out to them.
- Kinesthetic synesthesia. Sometimes I get physical sensations from how something feels, like a concept or some string of words, and it helps me to remember it better. Not related to Si afaik.
Forgetting to brush my teeth in the evening, not feeling thirsty for a whole day every now and then, not wearing rain coats when I should...
My Si role function shows itself in me bumping into shit that's right in front of my face.
Sounds like liiQuote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
One thing I've noticed – and I've talked about this with another IEI and she said she has noticed the same – is that I have trouble telling apart emotions and physical sensations. For instance, I might feel noticeably bad but have trouble telling whether it's because of something I ate or because of something someone said. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem too?
Other Si role problems I've noticed include ignoring things I probably shouldn't be ignoring like severe pain or ache (unless it's bad enough to make me unable to function normally), sitting in weird postures for prolonged periods of time (and only realizing it was a bad idea when I feel fucking sore afterwards), feeling hungry or tired as hell but not bothering to do shit about it, not being able to tell when I'm full and shouldn't eat any more if I want to avoid feeling sick. And not noticing the temperature and its effect on me! I sometimes sit at home wondering why I feel like crap for hours, and then my ESE brother drops by and the first thing he says is "it's really hot in here, aren't you uncomfortable?" Then he proceeds to open the window and I go, ahhh, how refreshing! Oh, and I eat the same food for like two or three months straight. Goddamn zucchini, kale and kidney beans every single night. Because once I come up with a meal that tastes bearable and satisfies my nutritional needs I sure as hell am going to stick with it for as long as I can get it down my throat without gagging out of sheer boredom. Yup. Can't bother to come up with anything new to eat once something works for me.
I don't know if it's very usual for Si role but sometimes I'm overly sensitive to sensory stuff. Might have to do with non-type-related sensory defensiveness but sometimes I really flip my shit over minor sensory annoyances such as itchy seams on clothes or small repetitive noises (clocks ticking, other people breathing or stuff like that). Then again my pain tolerance is really high. You can literally drag me around from my hair and the only thing that makes me mad about it is that you're ruining my hairdo. You don't want to end up in a physical fight with me because I'll beat you simply by not reacting to physical pain significantly. :lol:
The IEIs I know seem to have strong Si. They love order, notice sensations like smell taste looks and are good at providing these sensations. Is this just a manifestation of another function?
I don't know if its a thing.
My guess would be that Si is in the super ego and an evaluatory position. Super-ego being that inner voice of the external information and Si fits into role. So however the role usually behaves, and just put Si in that spot.
Being good at providing those sensations might be because they are introverts who have a lot of focus on their own sphere of influence and because they are ethicals, are able to just figure out what might feel good for others and experiment with those ideas. Getting feed back fits into their intuitions and they apply those standards next time.
Are they harmonizers?
This. Is. It. Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
"IEIs who have strong :Si:" = ISFx
Exceptions might be certain enneagram image type (2 or 4) INFx-Fx individuals, but at the end of the day their Si is just 'an act' (especially with IEI-Fe who doesn't value it) and not actually strong.
IEI in their natural state without adaptation to societal standards:
https://i.imgur.com/hYTenZS.jpg
IEI after role adaptation:
https://i.imgur.com/IpThK9y.jpg
I think the role is strong enough and actually useful and somewhat close to your lead. I think it is fairly easy to identify and thus you can copy with your lead. Fi of LSI for example might use their Ti to steer up the Fi and remember from life and earlier how things work.
I am this way. IEIs can care a lot about the aesthetics they prefer as part of their desire for elegance. They also may be particular about order and organization because of their Ti hidden agenda. Personally, my mood is easily influenced by my environment. If my surroundings are a mess I feel like a mess too, so for that reason I like to keep on top of my Si tasks. I always do them for a specific purpose, not simply out of routine. I like my spaces to be organized, hygienic and aesthetically pleasing. I do it for myself but also very motivated by the image I project to others. I’m not really able to consistently keep this up especially when I’m stressed or depressed. The biggest thing that gets in the way is my laziness and low energy.
I wouldn’t say that I’m “good at providing these sensations to others” although I’m not exactly sure what you mean by that. I’m definitely not a caretaker. I get annoyed if I have to clean up after others or dote on them constantly, because I don’t have enough energy for that.
A harmonizing iei is going to have terrible si. More energy put into Ni means less into Si.
An IEI I know that has very good Si is normalizing I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
I believe DarkAngelFireWolf69s assertion directly contradicts fundamental axioms of socionics and other Socionists assertions on the DCNH. One of them has to be wrong, and I believe his makes much less sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by fox
Plus, I'm IEI-H and my Si is pronouncedly worse than my PoLR, though less stressful.
Smell, taste and looks are terms that also have relativistic (N) aspects, and image is very important to IEIs. They often seek security by hiding-behind-walls in a metaphorical sense; order can frequently provide secure walls. IEIs are very adept at using bureaucracy, society and rule-bound people to their own advantage without truly conforming. Only certain bottom-up perspectives can be attributed to Si; it's not a box of items.....:content:
a.k.a. I/O
I don't agree with this characterization of IEIs.
Even if it was true, order is Ti/Se, not Si. And Si is a lot more than just pleasant sensations, though that is a part of it.
there is no basis to assume those DCNH "subtypes" exists at all. it's more other typology than "subtypes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
it's more role skills which they think should to have good enough to impress others :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaebette
like my "impressive" shallow joking
they can be good to some degree by coping others. it's not quantum physics
also some of those IEI may to have S type
But its still more Socionics than it is other typology. Ex. - "Harmonizing boosts Ni, Si, & Fi" or whichever it says. That in of itself denotes itself as supplemental to the Socionics framework. So it should be subject to the same fundamental priniciples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol
Now, exists is a tricky word. If you mean "valid", then yeah sure. But exists is a very lazy word because it usually never is used correctly.
It's not Socionics and it's baseless. And it's other typology as uses the traits which Jung's types have no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookie
> Ex. - "Harmonizing boosts Ni, Si, & Fi" or whichever it says.
It's only an assumption how those traits are linked with the Jung's types.
There are a lot of stuff besides Jung's types in people by which they can be categorized and their behavior was explained. And that stuff is not Socionics at all.
I've noticed I use Si for 100% comfort and that's all.. Like, I'll set a "mood atmosphere" for an entire house & etc.. I will have the curtains "cracked" open, put on some mellow music & relax... That's all
I think spas are hell on earth.
Sounds like someone needs a forceful massage.Quote:
Originally Posted by silke
I wouldn't say I have bad Si... it's more like... I have selfish and stubborn Si. Like I know better than the dumb ese/lse's who try to tell me I need a sweatshirt or something. No, I need nothing except your silence thank you.
Alot of my issues with Si are just feeling oppressed by those who constantly think about it.
I'm probably more likely than other iei's to actually be sei, so don't take my word.
I have difficulty knowing how my body feels, e.g, I'd force myself to run until I end up throwing up.
I don't give a damn about how food tastes like. I can eat plain bread and instant noodles every day, I don't care what I eat as long as I'm able to survive in this world without dying.
Just don't feed me poison and i'll be fine.
They lazy ASF and messy (ILEs messy to so..). but at least Si role is good enough, snack nom-nom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqzOu1FCQQU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJgKpRDi0P4
I wouldn't say I'm unable to understand my bodily needs, just that I easily disassociate from them. Everything in my life is very chaotic, I have pretty much no routine. This goes for eating and sleeping habits as well. "It's like I have a snooze button on my bodily needs.", this was a good way of putting it. I often go for 12+ hours without eating, and once I do eat I eat such bad food it's not even funny. I have periods where I like to splurge excessively, usually on junk food, candy and alcohol. I hate cooking and preparing food. I don't care much for comfort or my surroundings. My apartment is basically a prison cell with no decoration whatsoever. Most of the time it's incredibly messy too.
I cameQuote:
Originally Posted by kadda1212
This one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emily
This thread is full of nonsense, and most descriptions of what people claim to be Si-Role are in fact more about Si in other functions.
Wikisocion has the following description for Si-Role:
Source: http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...IEI_and_ILI.29Quote:
The individual dislikes it when others emphasize the need for relaxation, enjoyment, and activities that are supposed to bring these about, because what they need internally is just the opposite — a need for action and resolve. Rather than spend their time trying to "listen to what their body is telling them," they need to have clear external demands that are able to overcome their sense of uncertainty and hesitation.
The essence of the role function is that, when used, the effects are harmful to the individual or their social environment. In the case of IEIs and ILIs, Si-role is not about "lack of awareness of body" etc.etc. but about a kind of laziness and inactivity that ultimately results in all kinds of problems. Totally unlike the Si in SLIs and SEIs: these two types do what needs to be done, so all obligations are met, and than relax. ILIs and IEIs, when using Si, get into a state of inactivity or leisurely play and start to neglect all kinds of external demands, demands that need to be met sooner of later, and therefore get into trouble. As such, the Si-Role function is connected to the Se-suggestive function. What ILIs and IEIs often need, is a proverbial kick-in-the-butt to get them into action. This is, in a sense, what wikisocion also tells us.
Recently I gave this example of an ILI in need of Se-suggestive:
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1371552
This role function is also called the third function. When a person is actively using his base function, the role function is essentially turned off. The two cannot both be "on" at the same time, because they represent two opposing approaches to similar things. An example of each opposing pair of elements are:
Si Si vs. Ni Ni: a focus on one's environment and how it's affecting one's physical state vs. a focus on a situation's development over time and other underlying meanings
Se Se vs. Ne Ne: active acquisition, control, and organization of visible territory and objects vs. active search for and development of invisible potential and emerging situations
Fi Fi vs. Ti Ti: evaluation according to personal sentiments vs. evaluation according to impersonal laws (mercy vs. justice)
Fe Fe vs. Te Te: evaluation according to the people/social element involved vs. evaluation according to efficiency, effectiveness or objective reasoning
Because of this opposition, the more one gets carried away with one's base function, the more the role function is ignored or suppressed. People are generally somewhat aware of this suppression and perceive it as a personal weakness that needs to be "worked on" in order to meet other people's expectations and achieve something in society. It is typical for people to periodically work on their role function in order to correct imbalances in their life and improve their weak areas. However, these attempts are generally sporadic and are forgotten as soon as the perceived problem begins to go away and the person once again becomes carried away with their usual lifestyle which is dominated by their base function. Thus, development of the role function is more like patching up leaks than building a complete, self-sufficient structure. Often individuals wish they could build up their role function and become "supermen", but an excessive focus on this unreachable goal brings disappointment, because the base function always wins anyways.
When people are criticized for their lack of attentiveness to their role function, they are often irritated because they are already well aware of the deficiency and have already tried and failed to correct it. When problems arise with the role function, energy flows away from the base function, the individual brings his usual activities to a halt, and tries to pick up all the tasks he had been neglecting. Directing energy through the base function is effortless; working with the role function requires effort and concentration. Thus, people's concept of self-development is often centered on development of the role function and the Super-Ego block in general.
Compared to the vulnerable function, role function criticism is easier for a person to respond to or dismiss, since they believe that it has some value, in theory. The role function is triggered situationally, when individuals are met with situations that oppose their base aspect of reality. The base function only accepts information relating to its information aspect, and other information cannot be produced into new data with the creative function.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...#Role_function