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I certainly couldn't tell you had Aspergers at first glance.
You strike me Se/Ni introvert, Se-ISTj jumps out to me the most.
She's a weirdo but she's socially very capable. But I can still see the Asperger's in her. IME most Aspergers are not visible unless you know about the syndrome and know people who have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
She's often very easily excited, moody and jumpy. She can be also shy, withdrawn and reserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
I haven't known anybody with it, so I'm just not attuned to seeing anything "off" that's characteristic of the syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
I get a fairly strong IJ impression from her. In the video she takes a lot of time to formulate her ideas properly and expresses them at a fairly even pace. There's also an overall tenseness to her face, mostly in her mouth, that screams rational to me. Also the photo you requested she post reminds me of Chloe Moretz to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
What the heck is this?
You sound very intelligent, what's your IQ - 1023?Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
SeFi
you guys are so cute! im not really sure but since i watched the videos i want to post something. Fe-valuing introvert.
It's a multiple choice poll so... :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by lungs
I don't guess, not my forte. I'm quite careful as to not make a mistake. You can tell me. I scored 165 when 18 but drinking lowered my genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
I don't place trust in faith nor belief, way too subjective for me. Seems it is working for you just great, and this is the second time I get response like this. Not my quadra, that's a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
I did win.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
First of all, i think ADHD can be a bogus diagnosis given to children who are unable to conform to stupid constraints set by schools to make them behave like sheep when learning so the teacher can have an easier time controlling many students in a classroom. And you do NOT have Asperger's. If you did you would not be talking about how people view you, etc much less be interested in a typology theory about intertype relationships.
Just because you like solitude does not make you have autism. Autistic people have difficulty with if not total incapability to relate to others. I dont mean "relating to others" as necessarily being good with people, no. I mean the basic recognition of people being around you and interacting with you.
The gestalt i get from your video and photos are that I think you like "acting". You like being "dramatic" and edgy.
You call yourself aesthetic and focused on your looks/clothing, superficial, hanging out with "pretty people". Several other things in what you said also stick out to me as Se-ish.
IDK, i dont think you are SEE, because an Fi-creative would be more proud of her abilities to relate to people. I do think you are Fe-valuing, and Se-ego. So either SLE or LSI.
Your demeanor does seem a lot like Rachel Weisz, who is SLE.
I think SLE or LSI too (leaning towards SLE b/c you say you're not Ip temperament).
I love your rabbit, and you're hot in drag. ;)
Death to betas and you sound like Allie a bit.
u mean Ij ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by lemontrees
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Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
"Professional diagnoses" can be wrong.
I'm a trained professional too. And like even you yourself said, you dont actually have Aspergers, you have a dx of ADHD "with Asperger features". That sounds like some professional was trying hard to pigeonhole you into a diagnosis that doesn't really fit.That's fine if you like having a label to blame your behaviors on, some people do like that.
Another Finnish experiment. I get it.
If professional diagnoses can be wrong, then I don't see a point in acquiring those.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
Yeah, but internet diagnoses can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
I meant "Ij" I'm sorry! :(
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Originally Posted by lemontrees
It's ok I think most people including myself knew what u meant. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Well all i'm saying is, i recommend getting a second opinion from a different "trained professional" in Finland. That is, unless you really like feeling unique with those labels in which case that's fine. You can also get extra time to finish exams which is a nice perk too. ;)
I get an SEI vibe from your videos aivonuna. I could be wrong, but a lot of the things you like seem Si related and you do appear Fe creative in your videos.
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Originally Posted by Raver
Dont you think she would be better with people though? or at least more proud of her people skills?
If she were SEI i mean. Look at Mediator Kam, he can't stand being without people for too long from what i remember him telling me.
Well my guess is that it could be not type related. Perhaps her having AS traits or being so last could play a role in that. Also, maybe she's a Si-SEI and less interested in being around people than a Fe-SEI might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
All i'm saying is just because a doctor made a diagnosis, doesn't necessarily mean it cant be questioned, especially in the case of such a controversial entity as ADHD. Doctors can be wrong too, sometimes.Doesn't mean you shouldn't go to one, just means it's a good idea to get a 2nd opinion for a diagnosis that cant easily be proven, like with a blood test or imaging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
So Aspergers don't think about how they are viewed. If I'd have any sort of diagnoses involving difficulty to relate to others, I would probably think a lot about how other's might view me as.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
Sometimes I get the impression that many people think that in order to be Asperger you have to be a total social retard.
A straw man attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
I asked her how can she relate to people. She said she feels like an alien without any hesitation. The options are:Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
1. I am lying what she said.
2. She's lying.
3. She doesn't know herself.
4. She doesn't relate to others and you don't know shit.
Guess which option I'm mostly inclined to.
Why can't that be Si-related?Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
Our reaction to your overtly apologetic reaction was "AWW!".Quote:
Originally Posted by lemontrees
Well, Ashton says he is ADHD (haha) and I just can't fathom what he is saying, but it is up to her, as in, ainu-something, I'm not getting into this shrink business. I'm sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
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Originally Posted by Absurd
He's been called ADHD, but i think he's just a really smart guy who learns differently.
Is that an euphemism?Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
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Originally Posted by Aquagraph
The way her comment came across to me was that how you look dictates your status.
IDK, are you two thinking you are duals or something?
If both of you are SLE you could be identicals with is also a psychologically close relationship.
I guess SEI isn't totally out of the question, no. You just seem very EDGY, aivonana, much edgier than i would think an SEI might be, but heck i'm no expert.
I thought about this too. But it's just common for SiFe to be nice and make chocolate dough cookies. Yet, it's common for NeFi not to make quick judgements about random people they know nothing about. And here you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
I don't think you mean any harm, WA, but you're coming off as pretty bitchy in this thread. It's fine if you disagree with the diagnosis she's been given, but to imply that maybe she's holding onto that label because she wants to be "special" or wants to use it for sympathy and personal benefit is really very rude.
@aivonua nainini I don't know what you are, but you're very cute in your pictures. :D
Must be EII. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Aquagraph must be LSE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
where are people getting Beta ST from? not that it's impossible but i'm just not seeing it.
It seems our stereotypes differ. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
She has a sharp look in her eyes and she has balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
EIIs making brownies is a long-standing Delta joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
hmm... well SEIs may be conflict-avoidant, but they are not weak imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
I did not know, but I can certainly see that. :content:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
No particular type can be called weak per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by glam
And, frankly, I don't know what is a weak person like. That's like saying that the overall variety of strengths are lacking in most aspects.
FTR, I don't consider her conflict-avoidant at all. She's very nice but she's straight-forward and demands the respect she is worthy of, unlike too many SEIs I know of.
What comes to her Si: I have never seen Si manifest in such ways. She's just filled with such strong inner sensations. It's amazing to see her being touched by something and -literally and metaphorically- moved so much. She can tell more about this if she feels like it. She's probably the most sensual person I know.
I agree what she said but I got to thinking that synesthesia might correlate with particularly strong (or weak) Si?Quote:
Originally Posted by octo
Like maybe alexithymia correlates with weak (or strong‽) Si.
Aww :hug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagraph
This and it's confirm on that. I'm adding you to my list, aivonua.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie
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Originally Posted by Maritsa33
Soooo the point of this thread was for aqua to confirm that you are his dual and for him to discount any other option for your typing.
I don't necessary disagree with SEI...I don't really have an opinion. It's just so obvious that the intentions here were to seek confirmation of that typing, rather than obtain actual input.
when you made your introductory post i thought isfp seemed a bit odd. you have this insular closed-off energy that unnerves and intimidates me, lol. i cant really describe it, like being physically involved but cerebrally independent and cut-off from other people or having to deal w/ their bullshit. that kind of insularity i associate with ixtj types, istj moreso than intj. i dont get this vibe from any isfp that i know of.
its possible my opinion will change of you if you stick around longer but from vi i can pick out se-ego and introverted. im tentatively inclined to agree w/ se-istj but we'll see.
just to note, the usual istj stereotype is closer to ti-istj. se-istjs are more experiential, forceful, vibrant, occasionally dramatic, artistic and so on. i think a lot of what you say regarding creating situations and persuading other people strikes me as coming from a rational + static mindset. ixxp types more usually slink into the background and mediate situations rather than take charge. also bits about craving experences and sensations is more se than si - object statics rather than field dynamics.
i'm not saying you cant be isfp, just stating reasons for why istj isn't that far off from how you describe yourself.
sure, i'll elaborate on this when i get my pc back.
Out of personal interest, and to try to understand you a bit better based on what you have said so far, I looked up asperger's traits and found this chart listing ones that someone felt fit women more than the typical male AS signs.
http://www.help4aspergers.com/pb/wp_...237783e339.JPG
You, of course, are already aware of your issues, but maybe something like this could show WA or others what kinds of things you might be dealing with that surfacely might not show in a first video.
While I am more curious as to which you would identify for yourself, I'm going to attempt to anticipate some of them. (sorry, I can have a tendency to get personally probing into areas that some might be uncomfy with. If you aren't comfy answering, then please just say so.) Do these apply to you? (note, the ? At the beginning means that I'm really guessing, asking, and/or am really unsure if it's applicable.)
I'm sorry to not be able/willing to offer thoughts on your type/typing. I prefer to take my time before even tentatively forming an opinion like that. (and by "time"...it could be years, if ever, :lol: )
Again, if what I wrote...or write...or ask...is too personal, too intimate, then please feel free to tell me to back off. I won't be offended...I'd be sorry for offending you.
Oh, on similar note, if you just don,t want to talk about this now, then again, just tell me. My curiosity needs reigning in anyways.
To me you seem very interesting yet intimidating. My first quess was INTj but only because I got a similar vibe from you that I used to get from my ex INTj boyfriend.
And I also think you are very pretty and I'm jealous of your achievements :) Welcome to the forum.
You remind me a bit of Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook. She seems to get along well with Mark Zuckerberg (one of the Alpha NTs, probably ILE), although I'm not sure she's his dual or even activity partner. Here is Sandberg with Zuckerberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldkiK7za2_I
I vote IEI. I've been told I'm extremely sensual too. Doesn't equal Si-base.
Irrational, in any case.
That's the second most probable typing I'd give her but I don't still believe it, really. Can you explicate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
I know she comes off as bit daydreamy :D
okay, that's cool. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Your quote is killing me. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron
AS diagnosis is purely behavioral and without any understanding of the causal mechanics, so I am extremely skeptical of the diagnosis, and parents who get their children diagnosed. Autism diagnosis is almost unheard of in areas which do not practice modern psychiatry. Professional diagnostics of ASD is imo a lot of drug peddling to deal with the problem of diversity and humanity's oft times inability to cope with diversity.
This is basically what it takes, and it's like 6 out of 12 criteria kinda of BS. So a professional diagnosis is just a checklist of traits which affect your social integration with "neuro-typicals" who are in generally just as fucked as you are but without a diagnosis. This is one of the things that's pissed me off the most about modern psychiatry. Imo typology would explain most of these trait which I've listed in a much more disorder neutral fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspergers diagnosis
If you're diagnosis you're probably diagnosed under DSM IV which is very bad for diagnosis, this is why you see autism diagnosis growing by 1000% and etc, there is a huge business in this and it's a shame real autistic children are being lost by the deluge of the faux ASD diagnosis which is imo largely to placate mothers and parents.
This is not to say "ASD" symptoms aren't problems, and can cause social issues as well as problems dealing with others, because absolutely they do, but it's very much because a diversity of experience is possible and in many ways necessary in humanity.
I'm sure you display ASD symptoms, imo they mean less in typology, because naturally there would be types that display ASD traits which could fulfill the diagnostic criteria. I'm pretty sure this is just a pet peeve of mine because autistic is a pejorative people have used on me.
Anyways, I think IEI or even EIE.
Then I think almost for sure you're some sort of weak :Si: type, if not :Si: polr.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
If you think you have anything in common with a 80 IQ autistic person, think polar opposites and how those can seem kinda of similar.
Anyways I don't doubt your ADD issues or ASD problems, as these are tangible problems, but I think the diagnostics does not tell us anything about you or give cause to what makes you a certain way.
It's how DSM IV diagnostics work as well as many medical diagnosis that fail to provide any insight into a person's nature that's the problem. If they diagnosed you during your own intervention, it still doesn't change what I, you are just your own mom and maybe the diagnosis makes you feel better.
Typology offers a much better description of why you have these problems then ASD or ADHD imo.
I'm very Te polr also!
What is it about the quote?
Also, weird that you're getting people thinking SEI, IEI and EIE as those are the three that were tossed around for me also although only Maritsa thinks EIE. (I think)
Well, IEI would be :Si: role, so weak :Si: and still :Te: polr.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Also cooking is not just a :Si: ego thing, :Si: super-ego types can also be good at this sort of thing, the best chef I've met is EIE, and there are chefs that learn this so they can cook everything they eat instead of letting others do it and contaminate it.
Just as there are experts in relationships and people who are otherwise allergic to people and contact with them and study them thru the lens of analytics or work.
That kind of reasoning could prove anything to any way or another, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
I don't know that role is always "weak". I mean, it's not as strong as base obviously but I think it can certainly come across as strong. For instance, I used to bake homemade bread and pizza all the time. I'm also a knitter, spinner and weaver. This does not make me SEI but I'm pretty damn good at that stuff. I dunno. *shrug* Be careful about typing based on things like that, I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
But maybe that was basically your point. :P
Anyway, a.n. seems more intense than any SEI I've ever met. Which is why I said IEI I guess. She seems beta>alpha.
Basically one of the things about role function is that you wish you were as good at it as your base function. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron
Haha, you sound very judicious to me, so welcome to Alpha! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
But, I'm going to say no way are you alpha(except I just edited this cuz I'm not 100% certain), your quote is remarkably like something a EIE will say, who said it btw? Let me look it up, Oh wait, it's Lady Gaga...
BETA
I'm the same way but I'm not an Fe type.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Looks like Freddy Mercury - beta it is.
http://www.ladygagagalore.com/getatt...axsidesize=580
Has she been typed reliably? I remember browsing through a conversation about her type and most people came to the conclusion of her being ISFp. Coul've been MBTI stuff, tho, don't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
But, uhh, I like many kinds of art, I don't think that's something you could base your typing on?
There are certainly people who will type her SEI/SEE and others who will type her EIE, but imo it's EIE. I looked up the article you wrote by Gaga, it's very much a article a victim type would write.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
http://www.gaganews.com/2011/10/13/v...morandum-no-4/
Oh, to me she just seems magickal.Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
lol! Okay, that fits!Quote:
Originally Posted by hkkmr
I would really like to ask you some things about your AS to compare to myself, because I've always suspected, but I don't want to be rude. Would you be okay with that? If so, should I start a thread elsewhere or PM you?
I'm okay about AS (or ADD) talk as long as you don't try to tell me I do it to be cool or unique or whatnot, or try to invalidate my diagnosis, for that, that's just a waste of time and plain nasty. Just keep that in your mind and I'm okay, I'd gladly answer your questions especially if it helps you in a way or another. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa33
Well, me agreeing with Maritsa is kinda just circumstantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
I developed my reading abilities independently, in a very different way outside of socionics, and just recently joined here.
But I'll try my best to explain. I just need to eat first. O:
Kay, I'm back. Umm...
Well, let's see... *cracks knuckles*
Oh boy. I'll start with the first minute.
I can go further than that if you want. o_o
General Analysis (void of function assicoation)
0:01 - "Hi" Aivo is looking at the camera, or some fixed point, while resting her head on her hand. She looks relaxed, in her comfort zone, and non-nervous.
0:04 - "I'm making this video" is spoken with a relaxation as she leans in and rests her head further into her palm. Afterward her eyes look up and blink.
0:07 - "..obviously so you can video type me" is spoken while her eyes are closed. Her head shakes left to right.
0:10 - "I feel like I'm pretty certain about my type already". While saying this, Aivo's eyes widen to the brim of her sockets twice. Her eyes look a bit intimidating, sharp, and penetrative. Her strong eyes also compliment the masculinity of her overall persona and confidence in her words/opinions.
0:12 - Aivo smiles here. Her smile goes up toward the center of the face (using the muscles near the nostrils) and her cheeks become round. The smile is overall a bit awkward and breaks the previous 'serious' countenance she had.
0:14 - Once again her eyes expand to the brim of their sockets several times, and stare sharply at something, with a penetrative force - as she talks.
0:17 - "Especially.." as she says this she looks up to her right, as if to help her form her words.
0:19 - "..haven't met me" as she says this her eyebrows raise a bit in a twitch, while her eyes remain relaxed. There's also a very slight head-shake.
0:22 - "....who don't know me" as she says this, once again she raises her eyebrows in a twitch and shakes her head.
0:23 - Looks up while thinking.
0:26 - Eyes become amped again - to brim of sockets - while blinking slightly, and motioning with her left hand.
0:30 - Several occasions of blinking in the past few seconds, and moving positions.
0:32 - Lands on a stare again, but this time it is not amped: moreso as if she is staring through her point of focus. Though still very much engaged and "locked".
0:34 - Whole body pauses for a moment. She looks to her right and stares intently as she formulates her sentence, then snaps out of it at 0:36.
0:39 - "ADHD...with asperger traits." as she says she does something very specific with her face. Her eyebrows raise, and her mouth widens toward the beginning of the word, then the expression drops before the end of the word. This gives off a very "know-it-all" type of aura.
0:41 - "You can't really tell..." she says this very per-emptively as if she knows a person's initial reaction would be "really? i don't see it, you look fine". I get the impression that she's probably been told this several times.
She smiles as she says this, and shakes her head, and there's a brief moment where she lets down her guard. In general her disposition is very solid, confident and sure of itself, but here and at 0:12 it breaks for a little.
0:43 - "...that I'm Asperger." this is said almost in a shout, with eyes popping out. Yet it seems like an accidental over-emphasis. Her voice is very dispassionate and blunt/direct, somewhat uncaring.
0:46 - "..from the first impression." as she says this her face becomes awkward. Awkward in a similar way to someone who smelled something nasty, or heard a weird joke. But the expression is a bit out-of-place and it seems that even Aivo isn't entirely aware she is making that face.
0:47 - Very quick look to her upper right.
0:50 - "After you get to know" here there are again a series of popping-eyes and penetrative stares. But notice how the timing of the eye-emphasis is odd, and out of place.
0:53 - "you can.. like..." as she says this, she is shaking her head a lot, very quickly, as if the words are about come come out of her mouth but are delayed.
0:56 - She looks to her right again, and pauses completely. Her eyes fixate on some point she is staring at.
0:57 - A smile creeps up on her face, and dispels her otherwise stone-face, giving it a sort of manic look in combination with the eyes.
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Note: I will be using these signals in the interpretation:
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v8.html
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v4.html
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v2.html
Te Head Shake: 0:07, 0:41, 0:53
Te Face Push: 0:19, 0:22, 0:39, 0:43
Se Lock On: 0:10, 0:14, 0:26, 0:50
Fi Unaware Face: 0:12, 0:46, 0:50, 0:57
Ni Zone-Out: 0:32
Discernment (Rational) Lead: 0:30, 0:34, 0:56
Now before I start I have to take a step back. I definitely do see the functions: Te/Fi & Se/Ni, but the ordering may be different. Now that I've taken a finer look at it, the function ordering is more likely to be Te-Ni-Se-Fi. I apologize for the premature deduction; this one feels a lot more solid, though still thinking. I usually try to avoid typing people with special mental... "conditions" seems too strong a word. Perhaps "variations". In any case, a psychological explanation:
The overall aura you carry has a level of confidence, independence and impenetrability to it. This is special to others in that it seems entirely natural and "you", not feigned or forced. This supports the notion of having Te as first or second process. There is also a rigidity to your body, with a gravity to you that doesn't allow for a lot of animation or variation from one specific set of gestures. This rigidity is characteristic of Rational types.
The shruggish and meh-ish aura you also emit is more support of Te, as Te has a very blunt and "whatever" sort of vibe to is without even trying. It is an attitude of "yeah-i-know". This is also supported further by the presence of Fi unaware-face. Having Fi as one's fourth function gives the face a strange and often accidental set of movements that don't really fit in with the rest of the face or the presentation being given. There is an element of awkwardness and lack of conscious control over the face's expressions --- unlike Fe which specializes in facial control and emitting a desired expression.
The Se is seen in the way your eyes become amped and fixated on things, bulging out. Yet they're not "always" on, as they would be in an Se lead type. They go into hiding, then suddenly pop back out, then the eye relax into a mildly zoned-out Ni stare, until the next Se pop-out. This suggests Ni comes before Se.
So overall, I am most confident that those four functions are at play, fairly confident that you are a Rational, and moderately certain you are TeNi. And I was probably wrong on the function order on my previous post.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
I haven't changed my mind yet.
^I guess you don't trust some things either?Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
I have a question. Why does this upset you (the part where ppl try to invalidate your diagnosis)?Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
And how do you display Ne DS?
Put dissociative identity disorder in that shopping cart of yours. In no time you're going to refer to yourself as a list of mental disorders drawing numerous certified nutjob shrinks present on this site offering you their utmost and error-free diagnosis of your mental planes, said the squirrel to the Prince when passing him by.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8BWBn26bX0
Why do you ask? You have said that you don't change your typings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maritsa33
Dissociative disorder would require dissociation, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
And: The Avalanches. <3
I was drunk during chemistry class.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Please quit reading my mind. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
Reading a few of your posts with a more critical eye, you do write with more affectation and come from a more internal/personal perspective than I would expect from an LXI.
You also definitely write like and come off as an Sx first, Sx/Sp > Sx/So
No seriously, I was kicked out of school twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
i get a INFp > ISFp vibe, because you are... whatever the value-neutral word for pretentious is. grandiloquent or something.
hm somehow i still get some sort of XXXj. you come off, idk, composed and directed and if you don't relate to ISTj whatsoever then maybe ENFj. if you are ISFp (which is possible) then you are an unusual one, that's for sure.
What the fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
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Originally Posted by CONFIMED
OK i think what i said there is being taken the wrong way so let me clarify.
I am skeptical about the "disease" called ADHD in general. I dont think it is a disease or anything "wrong" with an individual. I think people labeled with "ADHD" simply have a different learning style that is incompatible with the typical classroom setting and/or are just very genius in that they are bored out of their minds because of the lack of challenge presented to them by their teachers. I dont think it's fair to give such people a psychiatric label of a disorder, because it is not a disorder, it's just a very smart kid/adult who needs to be challenged more and given free reign in their learning, like self-direction (with some guidance of course). Not forcing them to confine themselves to a seat/desk for 4 hours to listen to a stupid lecture by an incompetent teacher, but releasing them into a library or museum or what have you to go discover the world of learning.
As for the list of Asperger's traits in females that @anndelise posted ... i relate to a bunch of them, does this mean i have a disorder "with Asperger features" too?
@aivonua nainini said she's been diagnosed with "ADHD with Asperger features" not Asperger's itself, another reason for my skepticism about the diagnosis. Aivonua, the way i see it, you're just a very smart individual that seeks intellectual challenge. What's to be so offended about my saying I suspect you are psychiatrically normal? Well maybe you arent, but for other reasons perhaps...
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Originally Posted by Ashton
Maybe so...
I just feel like it's society's way of putting the blame on the individual and making them feel abnormal, instead of society admitting it has a flaw and providing for deviations from the system that allow a normal variant to thrive. I dont think it's fair to the individual.
It's considered a disorder IF it significantly impairs that person's ability to function in their society, such as maintaining a living and/or maintaining friendships. If these traits prevent her from obtaining employment, keeping employment, making social contacts, keeping social contacts, and/or pursuing her own personal goals/interests then the trait is leading to issues for her and her society. Regardless of how those same traits might influence you and your own society.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
Her saying what her diagnosis were is shorthand for informing her readers as to what kind of traits she has, and the level of adverse impact those traits have on her ability to function in her own pursuits, as well as in her own society.
It may not be fair to the individual that their society doesn't allow for these kinds of deviations...
But it's also not fair to belittle her adverse experiences in trying to function in a society that does not accept her. The way you told her that she did not have a disorder, was basically telling her that she does not have, nor experience, conflict within herself and/or with her society.
itt wa shows her colors again
Get the ADHD-Asperger-crap out of here already, seriously, please. I only mentioned it because I assumed it might affect typing, wouldn't have said a word if I knew about the shitstorm coming. I've had this conversation enough times to know it doesn't lead very far.
I can see SEI; I think the enneatype 4 sx is what gives you the "edge" that some people mentioned, and makes you seem IEI/Beta to others. I could see IEI too, though. Do you relate more to the Victim or Caregiver romance style? That dichotomy helped me to pick between IEI/SEI when I was stuck. You seem cool whatever type you are. :D
What is your favorite Robert Anton Wilson work? I've only read Prometheus Rising, but I really enjoyed it!
Prometheus Rising is...ok...but you.have to buy into all his shit. I like the level he works on but he tries to be too specific and definitional about shit, human psychology just isn't that simple.
I doubt it...LaVey has some good ideas, I just think the idea of dissecting the psyche into "levels" and whatnot is a superficial and self-inflating approach, like he's saying "oh I've reached so many levels that you all haven't so I'll bestow my grand wisdom upon you!" The human psyche is just far more complex than that and I can't give anyone who attempts to lay it out in such a superficially deconstructive manner much credit for understanding how the mind works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashton
One of the things I like about RAW the most is how he tells you not to believe everything he says. Read your cosmic triggers. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Wilson, my bad.
Yeah I kind of interpreted that as a deliberate disclaimer, seeing as the discussion of his model is a good chunk of the book.
I dunno, he didn't really impress me personally, more spiritually aware than your average Joe but he's no Buddha or Jesus. I didn't have any revelations or moments of "This guys brain works like mine and he really knows how to translate from the formless to language and its fucking with my head because I've never been to this level before" from reading him like I did with Herman Hesse, Jung, Heidegger, etc. And unlike them, he laid implicit claims to such understanding, which detracted even further from the weight of his words.
Yeah I dunno, he's just kind of lukewarm to me. He's not BAD at all, I enjoyed Prometheus Rising and I did get something out of it, but next to other notable 20th century thinkers and philosophers in his broader vein, he doesn't really impress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by aivonua nainini
Just settle on IEI so Aquagraph can settle on SLE and find those ESIs and SLIs not supervising him and not contrasting him. Case closed for me.