itt I milk aestrivexs new typing of me for attention.
is my brain hooked up to the cosmic flow of time?
would I enjoy a good spanking?
am I a good cheerleader for beta group fe antics?
is aestrivexs bitch an accurate typing?
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itt I milk aestrivexs new typing of me for attention.
is my brain hooked up to the cosmic flow of time?
would I enjoy a good spanking?
am I a good cheerleader for beta group fe antics?
is aestrivexs bitch an accurate typing?
I can't tell if this thread is sarcastic or not. :( Hehe.
Kassie, if you think it is a reasonable typing, then so be it! I'm terrible at typing people, but..I say sure. Try IEI on for size. :)
1. that doesn't even mean anything
2. yes, but i desire far more than that
3. i can't even do the splits
4. he has me wrapped around his finger
ha, this is working perfectly!
iei was actually my very first self typing. i daydream a fair amount and i like masculine men.
I think you're ESI.
You are the identical to Absurd.
good one
i think my new avatar screams iei what do you guys think
you can be INFp imo
on a more serious note, ignore aestrivex. and kill him with an axe.
thats not me, and its a butterfly.
http://www.ericaschreiner.com/ http://www.ericaschreiner.com/ http://www.ericaschreiner.com/
ok. But I was just teasing.
kassie, keep in mind niffweed thinks anY ashton-tYped isfjs are infps. he wrote an essaY on me being what's the word... exemplar infp or some shit i forget the term
lol forum politics. watching the dominoes fall. the "community" is a funny thing.
:lol: still waiting for my NIFFWEED write-up
Is there a reason as to why your not so funny face face pops up every time after giving me a blowjob?
And this is exactly what I was talking about in chatbox yesterday. Damn, I'm smart and I'm getting smarter.
You learned something. That's alright.
What kind of daydreaming you practise? I intuitively feel that ESI and IEI daydreaming would be very different.
Maybe the ESI would have somehow more concrete dreams whereas IEI are in some places some would call escapist.
I had a conversation with an esi on here once about the nature of our daydreams. mine were more concrete than theirs though because they could forget reality completely. but I have to make accommodations. like I can't daydream, for example, about having magic powers unless I concoct some reason they appeared that seems reasonable to me. otherwise I can't really "believe" it enough to enjoy it lol. so more realistic in a way but also requiring more imaginative power too. I rarely daydream about magical stuff though. ninety nine percent of the time my daydreams are either romantic/sexual or imagining myself performing a song while I'm listening to it, with a person(s) in the audience hearing my message.
EII or ESI imo
Spanking is for wimps. Real Betas love FISTING. woof!!!
fyi, you can't be beta NF unless you have a black and white avatar. :P
I might relate to something similar to this. It's behind my writer's block usually. I may want to write a particular scenario particularly between already established characters, and then I get lost in the "but why would they do that" and if I need a particular set of circumstances for that to be answered, then why did those circumstances happen and it all has to be in a way where I can buy it, and often I can't in a way that I like. I need an entire world and time created just to enable two characters to interact in a particular way. Although in my case I often think it's a lack of imaginative powers. So I kind of put it off waiting until the "world" forms more, which it never forms well enough to my satisfaction. This kind of reminds me of work on movies and the people who design things like cities and buildings in them and every little detail of it and I feel I can't get down to these tiny important details. I know in general what I would want to see and would be able to look at it and think "that's it" or "that's not it, it's off because of x or y" but I can't seem to form the whole thing in my head. Although listening to various commentaries on DVDs I'm sometimes floored by how unimaginative some of the writers and directors seem and I don't understand how they got so far in their field. I imagine it's because it's a craft and there are blocks to stories (the structure of stories) that are already established and repeated over and over and so you can actually mechanically construct the entire thing if you have mastered the "craft." But anyway this happens in my mind as well with various fantasies, where I try to set up the "what allowed this to be" for it and I feel I can't believe it and it's difficult to continue on when I can't get a premise that makes sense to me enough that it seems real in my head. I think I feel constipated in this region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishuddha. I wasn't always so, but I am these days. I can't even get to the expression part because I can't clear up all the internal "behind it" things. (Disclaimer: I don't have some great belief in chakras, but I find that something about it kind of makes sense and can be used to at least say something and so I have no interest in dismissing the idea, especially since I really don't know anything anyway and I find the idea kind of meaningful, possibly having something to it, and appealing.)
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Anyway, unrelatedly, one opinion I do have about your type is that you're an intuitive (not Ne PoLR... I mean, to me Ne PoLR seems an almost crazy idea given the sort of mind that may be behind your posts). I don't know how to elaborate.
@Loki
i believe in chakras just as much as i believe in socionics or any other metaphysical idea. as concepts that can be used but not to be "believed" in. just words that can be used in lieu of a more drawn-out explanation of the same thing. like i came across a description of some chakra awhile back that really described something pertinent in my life and i was like "ohh i think my x chakra is blocked" or something. and it wasn't because i honestly thought i had something called a chakra and it was literally blocked lol. it was just a really quick way to say "this is whats going on with my emotional/mental landscape right now: blah blah blah blah blah etc."
i'm curious about your take on ne polr. almost everyone seems to agree i'm fi and arguments for either eii or esi seem to either be: "there's no way you're se polr" or "there's no way you're ne polr." and there are a couple key things people point to as proof of either theory but i've never seen a really comprehensive explanation that filled all the holes and creases my brain wants filled. for the record i don't think this is due to a flaw in anybodys reasoning or anything like that. i think its just that the theory is imperfect and thats just the way it is - i'm not se polr or ne polr because i'm just not lol. but i still get hungry for that explanation anyways because i'm a rational creature i guess.
i dont mind being seen as iei though, if it floats anybodys boat. ieis are the mysterious nymph type so thats hawt.
How are dreams concrete, anyway?
Doesn't seem like IP would be a good fit.
i think part of the reason for the confusion is the idea that people can not value any variant of Ne and Se at the same time. under DarkAngelFireWolf69's theories, that isn't true. in fact, valuing one form of Ne and the form of Se of the opposite +/- sign is, according to him, the default situation.
@ kassie if you could be a type that had Ego Block Ne and was gamma Se valuing (though not necessarily strong), would that be a good fit?
for anybody who takes my views as far as that stuff into account, i didn't always see concepts this way. i used to reify them a lot more and i caused myself a lot of frustration. the fact that a lot of help from some ni egos on the forum helped me to understand concepts in this way, and that this relieved a lot of my stress and probably stopped me from either having a worse shit-fit or leaving altogether, has influenced my self-perception type-wise. and the reason i talk about it a lot is because it WASN'T always obvious to me. so its kind of like HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT. lol.
hahah, that's ok. i kinda realized it was an obnoxious question.
Um, I'm not sure I really trust you. I'm sure you're well meaning and all, but I'm afraid you see things in these blocky ways and would just turn anything I said into blocks. Not to say you do or would, but anyway. (I don't know who you are.)
I've tried answering your post kassie but I don't know if I'm going to. I really feel there's this huge social tide about how Soc. is understood on the forum and who is what type via social arrangements, mainly because well Socionics is such goo that it may not be possible for it to stand alone without using others as reference points. So the social mess emerges.
I suppose I can say that this (from the forum Wiki) describes Ne PoLR in a short and simple way, which I'm sure everyone knows about so there's no point in posting it:
I really do think that on Socioncs' terms (as in if its called a pseudo-theory and if it had its own terms, sort of like if "it" was a unit and could say, "I am Socionics and this is how I see it all"), that's fairly close to the core of what Ne PoLR is supposed to mean. And it does rather make sense to me as I can see it describing a couple of people I know, so this "thing" is then isolated out of the ether as a concept and given the name "Ne PoLR." I think I probably see a lot of this in the context of action where Se creatives are sometimes rather action-oriented people and interested in carrying out actions to meet their goals, so being unsure can kind of stop them dead in their tracks and is a hang up that has to be overcome so they can continue on or something.Quote:
A type with http://www.wikisocion.org/en/images/5/5a/Symbol_i.gif PoLR has a difficult time understanding ideas that seem new or novel, especially when it has no tangible effect on their lives. Leaving little to chance, they are able to plan out their lives for years ahead of time. [that's the Ni HA part of it] This results in difficulties handling unexpected problems in their lives that put a halt on their usual pursuits, and they tend to fear all the possible "what-if's" when those problems prevent them from seeing a clear future. [I see this as over-reliance on the "plan" because one can't see what might suddenly pop out of the water along the way and so the plan/path has to be "perfect" so as to avoid all of these unforeseen things and if there is no plan then it's the end of the world--anything could happen, you won't see any of it coming, and it's such a cause for anxiety.] When unsure about something, these types can either avoid making any changes at all or making too quick and reckless of a decision, [Se cre plays in there] either of which resulting in missed opportunities.
I guess I don't really see it as needing others to help one with their understanding of something so they aren't driven mad about how to look at it. I guess that would imply they can't understand it because they have no Ne and so they have to sub in Ni to reach a "higher" understanding transcending the question or something. And I do think that Socionics because it is this goo does confront everyone really with this huge uncertain picture where it can be a question of how does one integrate it into their mind so it makes sense (the need for it to make sense and clear up the painful confusion, and on the other end, the difficulty pulling away until one finally "understands," perhaps not terribly unlike a moth to a flame).
I don't know, if I think of a type like LSI, "they" seem like they're often sure about how to view everything. But on the other side of that I would suspect the collapse of their entire worldview would be far more harrowing than for a type that is more default not sure how to view everything. So perhaps it's along extremes with Ne PoLR. Either you're entirely certain, or entirely not, and the middle ground is less of an easy or frequent place to be? And it's mainly that Se creative can't work in conditions where everything's an unknown. This is an IME arrangment that has to make decisions that lead directly to actions (I'm having language problems with using IME that way). Wallowing about in the muck of uncertainty renders it unable to function. I mean you can just remove that from anything having to do with Socionics and it's still kind of true-seeming.
It's like the Xena-Gabrielle debate (not that I see Xena as Ne PoLR):
X: You got any better ideas?
G: You're asking me? Well, that's a first. You know, ever since we've met, you've always made the decisions.
X: Because you take forever to make one! Always weighing the pros and cons.
(Out of the two of them, Xena is the one who rather quickly leaps into action. She can't do that if she has to spend all day going through all the possibilities and implications, and then doubting them. She would become ineffective and unable to operate.)
loki you gave a thoughtful answer so I feel like I should give one in response even though the impulse is to throw my hands up and say fuck it. because I feel like the dichotomy doesn't apply to me.
I don't like ambiguity in general. if something is unclear no matter what, I like to know that so I can categorize it as "unclear" and forget about it and stop trying to figure out. regarding the obvious example of socionics, thats basically what happened. but over time I've responded to the ambiguity of the theory in different ways. I've solicited lots of opinions and tried to jumble together viewpoints and see different perspectives. and I have stubbornly decided it was all bullshit and cornered people saying they're just making stuff up and trying to get them to confess it was just politics and sophistry.
another example. I stayed with my ex for several years after our relationship was for all intents and purposes "over." partly out of a sense of obligation and duty. partly because I didn't know what life would look like after I left and I was scared. and partly because I wasn't sure if the lack of warmth I felt towards him was a normal part of being in an adult relationship and maybe I just needed to deal with it and accept that. for the last couple years of our relationship it was almost entirely fear. financially, practically. and when I did leave - after all the deliberation and worry over SO much time - it was basically impulse. I decided, "I'm done thinking. I'm doing this." and because of this, I ended up leaving with no savings and no real plan. just started calling contacts and apartments with no idea what was coming because I had to DO something. I feel like this is relevant to the whole ne/se thing but I don't know how to interpret it.
which is all kind of irrelevant to you if you're going between different intuitive types for me lol. its just the stuff that rattles in my head and you brought it out.
oh my god lmao that video wasnt very enticing
I hope you are ok now, kassie. I know that break ups can be really difficult and painful. But you are probably much better now - at least that was how I felt after my long relatioship ended.
As for your type, I really don't know. I perceive you ISFj or ISTp but I've said it many times that for me it's not quite relevant what people write here and what their types are. I mean you don't have to be yourself and, which is more, you are sometimes not aware of that. Written word is something different and it's only a part of yourself.
I always take my interpersonal relationship into account while trying to decide what my type is. How I relate to that person, if we can have mutual understanding etc. Maybe that could help decide? Also, I'd say that the less you think about socionics the better for you. I was in that trap a few years ago when I tried to understand everything and analyze it from socionics point of view. Now I think the challenge for me is to go beyond it. The more untypeable you are, the better could it be for you. Doesn't matter what type you are, you will always be yourself. Maybe you are INFj and your S is strong (e.g. you had to deal with Ni/Se types and you've learned it). The most important thing is, I believe, to be in a close relationship with somebody who has similar values. It's just easy and helpful in life. The rest of the people we can easily get on with and with our knowledge in socionics, understand.
I've seen different people of different types and I quess it's not even duality is always the best choice. It depends on individuals. Socionics is just a theory, it's like hmm a substance in a laboratory which behaves in a different way in a polluted environment. I know that while growing older I've become much more introverted, from attention seeking person (I've always felt my parents didn't pay any attention to me) I've become very, very private. Of course my type is probably what it used to be but... the external signs changed a lot.
However, I understand that you are trying to find your type. When somebody doubts my type, I always feel that I don't know what my identity is...but I feel it's so wrong. We shouldn't think this way. Go beyond it is my message for today and I'm going to repeat it to myself:).
And do you feel you are INFj Kassie? Because you are probably the type you think you are.
oh, i'm fine. and i'm really not concerned with finding my type, i was just having fun with this and then ended up getting sucked in haha. thank you for your concern, you're kind. :)
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most of the time.
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hahah, i don't think your stuff is creepy except in a good way at times. i get both NF vibes and Ni vibes from most of it so i could sort of see it going both ways between INFj and ISFj.
ps. i spent some time around gamma SFs last weekend and could help but keep thinking they weren't much like you. its like comparing a Stradivarius violin to a sledgehammer. i'm sort of back to being skeptical of the notion that you would be ISFj within the context of a single type being right.
I like your blog a lot, Kassie. I don't think it's creepy. I do think it's a bit..repressed kind of? Or jonesing for shock value? That's not quite what I mean. It isn't pure shock value..it's like pure aesthetic artistic shock value. Like art touches a person. Certain art touches me. But I don't jive with all of it. And it's like your art has a bit of a vice grip on absolute sensation. I like it. It's also like sensory overload at times.
This one resonated with me..
http://i.imgur.com/DtdTU.jpg
thank you dolphin! i think that was really insightful cuz it got at what the blog is to me in a way. like theres an ecstasy and intensity in the pictures that i can't access otherwise. so it is jonesing, kind of.
for the record: lab is not in my opposing quadra!!! :love: :love: :love:
trevor is though.
I love the tumblr :love: :love: makes me want to write music again, something huge in scale, made vast by its massive empty spaces moreso than its jagged, disparate contents... an icy tundra, rusted-out mechanical waste scattered across the frozen plain, bodies shambling naked in the distance, in pairs, some of them bloodied, holding on to each other and nothing else... gotta find my guitarist and bassist... makes me want to... hell, I'm not sure particularly what, but it's stirring up something with me in a good way haha... fucking hell, I need to get those soundproof walls...
that's exactly what I was doing here for a few days... I solicited many opinions to get perspectives and remove as much of ambiguity as possible. so why did it bother you lol. (I'm not asking for a response here, am simply pointing this out.)
I also did this myself in a similar fashion in a relationship. I felt obliged to stay. but then I had enough and left - with some worries too, though I did have savings and did have a way to go on with life, even if I was pretty unclear about the details... I didn't really have many ideas on it, I simply assumed I would somehow sort it out as I go along.Quote:
another example. I stayed with my ex for several years after our relationship was for all intents and purposes "over." partly out of a sense of obligation and duty. (...) and when I did leave - after all the deliberation and worry over SO much time - it was basically impulse. I decided, "I'm done thinking. I'm doing this."
hahaha this thread.
i did it in a different way. i think we have about the same number of type threads, but mine are accumulated over the space of a couple years. i think i went more towards getting a strong understanding of the theoretical underpinning so i could work from there and my search was more in that direction. (lol an argument for those who type you Te and me Ti valuing.) i see you going more towards picking something specific, like a type, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it, and picking something else specific, like a function placement, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it - i don't know why that's like nails on a chalkboard to me, but it is. sorry. i also decided on a type before i started posting and i don't know what it would have been like otherwise, so that's a difference. also with your domination of the chatbox and your unwillingness to find links i mentioned, i get the impression you're more dependent on other people than i was and not as interested in independent reading and study.
yeah, thats tough.
My ex was probably IEI and she didn't care for spanking which was disappointing. Not because I really like spanking or anything but because now if I ever do want to spank I can no longer assume that there is just a 16th of the population ready to satisfy. Now I have to actually get to know people on an individual level and from there gauge their willingness to spank or be spanked which is a huge pain. I just don't want to put that much effort into spanking.
lungs and kassie, the same person?
lungs/kassie, I've always felt like you're IEI. *shrug*
writing style I guess, and the way you respond to stuff in general. but I could be wrong.
yes.
well, i do have a black&white avatar now. :D
Well, I will not open another type thread, as I've settled on a type. So over the years I will catch up to you. :P It's also because I'm more intense in doing things than most people.
I did pick a type before I first came to this forum, the first sentence I ever typed on this forum says so, I bet you didn't read it though, because most people had an attention span too short to read my first post. Anyway, the thing was that as I started learning more about the theory, I noticed I may not be that type. I originally assumed it was my type because I assumed there was enough correlation between MBTI tests and it (seems not the case however & MBTI tests and MBTI itself suck anyway). I was also told by other people on another forum that I can't be that type based on certain traits I have... that's when I realised my assumption about the correlation was wrong. (My socionics understanding wasn't any good back then.)
I also wanted to get a strong understanding. I was/am doing independent reading; you have no way to tell how much time I spend on that part, as you only see me in chat, you don't see me in front of my computer looking up stuff. Also, I decided that finding the correct type for me within the restrictions of the system would help with gaining more understanding. So that was also a goal, get more understanding while completing this type finding task.
It may feel nails on a chalkboard to you because you're not a Ti valuer but a Fi type. Also, I find it strange that you try to build theories about me without enough tangible evidence (such as checking what I do in front of my computer beyond the goddamn chat), instead you rely on subjective impressions. Maybe that's because of your leading Fi, though. Btw, fuck those links already.
Overall, clearly, you have no real idea about my motivations, just your subjective guesswork based on incomplete information. If you're unwilling to accept my corrections about this, I can't do anything about that. Sorry, I can only use Ti for this, your Fi may not appreciate that.
PS: This is not fully off topic. In response to your question, I think you are a Fi type.
you had an expectation that strangers should read a shit ton of text about you and instead of thinking that might be unrealistic you shift it on to everyone else and criticize their short attention spans. could your sense of entitlement get any larger? on that note, i am not obligated to like you. but hopefully now that you've decided you're Ti and i'm Fi you can find some peace and closure. i will continue to complain as much as i want. you following me into this thread to continue it is not helping you there.
this is another thing i have tried over and over and over and over and over to explain to you. maybe you should read carefully.
i have two contradictory pieces of evidence regarding the amount of independent study you are willing to engage in. they are as follows:
1. your unwillingness to search for information someone tells you about and your expectation that they should do it for you, along with hours and hours completely dominating the chatbox with conversation about your type.
2. your personal statement that you engage in a lot of independent study.
you tell me, objective Ti valuer, calling out the Fi valuer on their "subjective impressions" - which piece of evidence is stronger?
I really like this (from your tumblr):
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Also, this one makes me cringe:
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Something about scratching that makes me extremely squeamish. More so than even the woman pulling off her skin in the other picture. It reminds of this set of photos I saw once of Kurt Cobain in which there were scratch marks on his back, apparently from some rough sex with Courtney Love the night before... it skeeved me out so much.
Ah, it did seem kind of familiar, lol. What is the symbolism you get from that?
Oh God, I just looked at it again. It hurts so much to look at those last two panels. Blegh. lol
Funny enough, I'm fascinated by the new medical oddities, like the guy's head sliced up on your page.
lol. organs and insides in general. its like whats underneath, who people really are, there's an intimacy in it. maybe its more obvious in the picture of the girl pulling away at her skin and looking inside - introspection, facing the gross stuff in there. in the scratching picture its like the act of sex is something that makes people very vulnerable with each other - well, literally naked, and she's taking away another layer, exposing something more vulnerable and intimate and real. also i think sex is kind of violent to begin with and what she's doing is on another plane of the same thing in that respect too. if that makes sense.
I get that. In classical Buddhism, there's actually a powerful meditation that monks do where they go to the charnal grounds (places in Asia where dead bodies are placed before being cremated) and observe corpses in various stages of decomposition. I saw a series of photos of this one time. The skin is the first thing to "dissolve" (that's literally what it looks like), and eventually the skeleton is gradually revealed and you see the insides. It was disturbing and fascinating, lol.
I actually think the best sex is characterized by violently trying to merge with each other, and never quite being able to get close enough. All that sort of sadomasochistic stuff, I think, is some attempt at intimacy. It intensifies the intimacy if you can accept/inflict pain.
feel free to complain; it will get ignored. this was my last attempt to make you understand, and only because I found it ironic you admitting you asked people a lot too while criticising me for it.
who the fuck cares about how much time I spent on a chat for a few days? not any kind of proof for the rest of my life.Quote:
this is another thing i have tried over and over and over and over and over to explain to you. maybe you should read carefully.
i have two contradictory pieces of evidence regarding the amount of independent study you are willing to engage in. they are as follows:
1. your unwillingness to search for information someone tells you about and your expectation that they should do it for you, along with hours and hours completely dominating the chatbox with conversation about your type.
2. your personal statement that you engage in a lot of independent study.
Ti is only second function for me, while Fi is your first. so, there.Quote:
you tell me, objective Ti valuer, calling out the Fi valuer on their "subjective impressions" - which piece of evidence is stronger?
I'm extremely late to this thread, but you SOUND like EII to me. My second guess would be IEE. Your communication style is exactly like what I've experienced with EIIs and IEEs time and time again.