Re: Is Pedro the Lion ENTJ?
[quote="Pedro-the-Lion"]
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@SmilingEyes sure I'd be willing to hear it but I think we should start a new thread/continue it in PM that way we don't abuse ENFP's eyes heh.
Well thought :)
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Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
I think what happened with me is the opposite I am an INTJ who was acting like an INTP for a long time under duress from super-ego and and though my type structure hasn't changed (Ti Ne) I use a lot of (Ni Te) out of habit because I associate it with making things easier for me. I am pretty sure of my type because it fits with the intertype relations, my behavior, my "normal" thought process, so on and so forth. But like I said I am open to new ideas so I'm interested let's hear it :)
I can theoretically understand a person using 7th function instead of 1st function periodically but I think according to theory a person doesn't understand the 8th function even exists, so that's a bit strange.
Anyhow... If I understand correctly, you admit using Te and Ni but not being Te Ni or Ni Te? Hmm... I'm not sure how that works.
Anyhow the reason I started to believe you're an ENTJ was that I have a friend whose talking patterns are a carbon copy of yours and he is an ENTJ, or if I've mistyped him, he is an INTP. We had a mutual ENTP friend who we both rather hated for being a deceitful git. (Actually well... I didn't hate him, I find deceitful gits cute if I know their nature...)
Anyhow. With this friend of mine, ... let's call him Nick... We at some point agreed that our thought patterns were identical and called ourselves twins. Well... I've changed a bit after that, mainly my spirits are higher now and I joke a bit more. Nick's still pretty much the same.
So... I saw something ENTJish and started checking your posts for signature traits of Nick and also of my father, who is a Thinking style INTJ as you claim to be. I see nothing of my father in your posts btw. I do with some other people posting here.
Ok, so I'll start dissecting...
1. Your title here is "grand poobah"
Now an INTJ typically says only things he can prove. Can you prove that you indeed are "grand poobah"? I compare this to some other ENTJs I know who call themselves with titles such as: Manwe (main-god from a fantasy pantheon) Demiurge (the gnostic "god"), Angel of Mercy, Dark Mirror of Mankind and The Great Philosopher Bauman. Im sort of seeing a pattern here...
2. You list in your hobbies: Explaining things
Explaining things IS Te. Te answers questions of Why and How whereas Ti answers questions like What and Who.
3. You also list Philosophy. While it's not possible for me to know what kind of philosophy you mean, Ti as primary is not very supporting of philosophy as there are few facts involved. Ti -people tend to be dogmatic, non-bending, stubborn. ENTJ are mystics. I claim to be a jewish-zen-witch. One of my ENTJ friends claim to be an angel of the world spirit. We regularly discuss gnosticism, theosophy, magic, quantum mechanics and all of them intertwined.
4. You openly talk to people about your feelings. INTJ tend to hide theirs for politeness sake.
5. You use sarcasm, which is very typical for INTP and ENTJ but not INTJ.
6. You give people suggestions on how to act. That's rather stereotypical ENTJ-behaviour.
7. You take up the challenge of proving that you are INTJ. ENTJs love challenges.
8. You ARE aggressive and not in the way my father is. You are aggressive for fun, not as a defense mechanism.
9. This quote: "Again I should say I don't think this is wholly conscious... I came to realizations like this after months of actively trying to have an emotional reaction to everything so I could see and analyze what was "really happening inside of me.""
I can confirm at least 3 of my ENTJ friends plus me having the exact same experience. When I was a kid I shut down all my feelings as a defense mechanism against Fi pressure for 3 yrs. After that it took a long time to get them back and resembling anything normal.
10. You say you are extremely religious. Do you mean that you have belief? As that's a Ni concept. My father is very religious INTJ and he is entirely dogmatic. Religion is going to the church and having a communal Fi experience for him. He says things like: "When I was young I met a wise priest who said: You should not feel stressed about god. That was good enough for me and I've never been stressed about god." and "We as christians believe that women should be quiet in the church. It says so in the bible."
11. You say you have many weird beliefs. Isn't that Ni?
12. "So take my advice with a grain of salt... I am hardly unbiased "
You implore others not to trust you but to think themselves. INTJ are rather proud of their objectivity because that is their main power.
13. You are very concerned about ethics. Like it or not rejecting evil is in the values of the gamma, not the alpha.
14. You've said a couple of times that you are hard on yourself. That would be your Si speaking. Se is hard on others. DarkAngelFireWolf69 classifies ENTJ as victims. All ENTJ I know have strict moral rules to guide them, they are self-decided rules and as such artificial but very strict. Abe Lincoln, M Luther King, JFK were ENTJ. ENTJ are the willing bloody martyrs of the world and only other EJs come anywhere near at being hard on ourselves.
(OOh, and Machiavelli too. He too was a community-minded patriot who got tortured for his troubles. FUN! )
15. The common claim that all ENTJs are constantly happy is just not true. We never give up no matter how bad things go but some of us just get kicked enough that happiness goes away and what stays behind is grim toughness. Happened both to me and Nick.
16. "But, I will say this don't listen to that crap about needing time INTJs are super easy to emotionally influence if you have the skill (and extraverted feelers usually do). But if you are not sure you want him and you do break up with him be prepared for him to sever all relations with you especially if you manipulate his emotions too much."
That is just so ENTJ and so not INTJ.
17." PS: For those of you betraying the brotherhood: You might make a brother very happy, doesn't that count for anything?
Not really if anything this would be a motivation for me not to help you."
18. "I'm not sure I should help you because I would be betraying the brotherhood "
Community feeling is normally associated with gammas. Also, you are using figurative Ni speech again. Oh, and furthermore I've never met an INTJ who is worried about hurting his peers, more likely they are worried about them being hurt by their identicals.
19. Humoristic overstatements: "I DO NOT apologize!!! Laws are for losers " are stereotypical ENTJ stuff. The classic in our circles is:
"Everybody over 50 yrs should be killed".
20. "No this helps a lot. I've been trying to think of ways to rephrase it because when I try to simplify things I think I sound condescending to people like "Ok is that dumb enough for you?" though I don't mean to I just don't know how to distinguish between coming down like a feather vs. blugeoning them with a hammer."
There was that girl whose clear ENTP smile you called a shit-eating ENTJ smile. The true meaning of the classic ENTJ smile is: " Oh my god, can you be so stupid, please go on, I'm having so much fun I'm going to die."
21. You claim that Brain from pinky and the brain is ENTJ. ENTJs believe they own the world already. Conquering it would be downright silly. It seems to me that you are heavily influenced by the MBTI false image of ENTJs. which brings us to
22. Most ENTJs mistype themselves as INTJs whereas most people typed by MBTI as ENTJs are ISTJs or ESTPs. Check Lytovs tables on this.
23. I myself mistyped every friend of mine along the e/i axis for a few months when I was introduced to socionics. I wouldn't blame anyone else for doing the same.
24. When talking about Iq, the INFP on board chose you as the one to compare to and admit being less smart than. Could it be because you're his supervisor?
25. "Sorry, for some reason I have a tendency to try to make people question what they are sure of. Perhaps it is envy because I am never sure of anything?" This would be you admitting that you have no Ti?
26. "We all dream of a manly woman to dominate us one day :p" Ok, this seems like a joke, but that's also a freudian slip describing the ENTJ-ISFJ-dual situation as counter-inductive as it seems... (Fully admitting that this is silly as evidence goes)
27. Then, finally there's the fact that on this board, you're the one taking the lead in most discussions as a natural leader will.
I'm just quitting here, I'm finding stuff I could put here in about 40% of your posts but there's a lot of those posts :)
Your identity pal, Smiley
Re: Is Pedro the Lion ENTJ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, so I'll start dissecting...
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Your identity pal, Smiley
Hmm... By your descriptions, all I can say is that if Pedro's ENTj, I must be too. Alot of what you listed could apply to me. And alot of it seems very superficial (and I don't mean that insultingly), e.g. item 1 (note my avatar, it's tongue-in-cheek)
Re: Is Pedro the Lion ENTJ?
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Originally Posted by XcaliburGirl
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, so I'll start dissecting...
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Your identity pal, Smiley
Hmm... By your descriptions, all I can say is that if Pedro's ENTj, I must be too. Alot of what you listed could apply to me. And alot of it seems very superficial (and I don't mean that insultingly), e.g. item 1 (note my avatar, it's tongue-in-cheek)
Your avatar is different. It denotes analytical ability, not power as in all the other examples. Also... there's nothing imaginative or daring in that. It's lacking a lot in ENTJ attributes.
Re: Is Pedro the Lion ENTJ?
Oh, sorry. Have to scratch one reason away. I remembered it was :)
And everyone goes for flattery. Some just lie that they don't :)
Re: Is Pedro the Lion ENTJ?
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Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
Your avatar is different. It denotes analytical ability, not power as in all the other examples. Also... there's nothing imaginative or daring in that. It's lacking a lot in ENTJ attributes.
Okay, I'll leave the avatar/title interpretation to you since mentioning it was more of an after-thought on my part.