Makeup or no Makeup?

Ok guys, be honest. Do you like a woman better with the makeup on or without? What attracts you to a woman at first glance?

One thing I have been noticing of late is the fact that I attract just as many guys when I am not wearing makeup as when I am wearing makeup. . . it doesn't matter if I'm wearing sloppy jeans, my hair is wind-blown from riding shotgun and the makeup is no where in sight. On average I always get asked out about twice every time I go out shopping.

I say "hi" to a guy and ask him a question because something in his cart caught my eye, and next thing I know he's asking me out! It's rather annoying to me sometimes, because I've had guys follow me out into the parking lot going. . . "what about tomorrow for lunch? Tomorrow for diner? The day after tomorrow? The next day after that? Oh, I have tickets to see a game!" Etc. etc. etc. . . (I'm sure I'm not the only girl on this forum with this experience.)

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

Without. If you do wear any, then just something light. Heavy make-up just gives off the impression that you have a lot to hide from people, or that you have some sort of image to uphold. I find that when I see pics of celebrities "without make-up," there really isn't that drastic of a change to how attractive I find them. If anything they seem more authentic without it.

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

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Originally Posted by yellow

I say "hi" to a guy and ask him a question because something in his cart caught my eye, and next thing I know he's asking me out!

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I think by striking up conversations with these guys, they see it as an opening, as though you might be interested in them. It's more likely the way you're going about it than anything else. You may be coming across as more flirtaceous than you realize.

I definitely don't have the problem you do, and I'm not ugly or anything, I'm just reserved. I don't go around making small talk with random guys wherever I go. It doesn't have anything to do with how much makeup you are or aren't wearing, it's more about your demeanor and perceived openness. IMO.

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I think by striking up conversations with these guys, they see it as an opening, as though you might be interested in them. It's more likely the way you're going about it than anything else. You may be coming across as more flirtaceous than you realize.

I definitely don't have the problem you do, and I'm not ugly or anything, I'm just reserved. I don't go around making small talk with random guys wherever I go. It doesn't have anything to do with how much makeup you are or aren't wearing, it's more about your demeanor and perceived openness. IMO.

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Hmm. . . you're probably right. Although I totally never really thought about that. . . but a lot of my friends have told me that I tend to be really friendly and overly nice sometimes. . . but it's kind of me. So it's hard for me to stop being friendly because that's the way I am. . . kind of like how it takes a lot for LII to approach someone, it takes a lot for me not to approach someone. . . it's hard to explain. I just "do".

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Without. If you do wear any, then just something light. Heavy make-up just gives off the impression that you have a lot to hide from people, or that you have some sort of image to uphold. I find that when I see pics of celebrities "without make-up," there really isn't that drastic of a change to how attractive I find them. If anything they seem more authentic without it.

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

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Yeah. I grew up like this. I don't think that I wore even a smidgeon of makeup until I was 16. . . and even now I dab a bit on here and there and then I'm finished in under five minutes. A little clear lip gloss, concealer, mascara, and blush and I'm out the door. Besides, a lot of makeup costs far too much. I'm the type of girl that goes for the makeup on sale for a buck, or the dollar tree cheapo stuff. ;)

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Originally Posted by yellow82

On average I always get asked out about twice every time I go out shopping.

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I usually prefer women without makeup.
I always think if a women doesn't look good without makeup, some brush strokes won't make it better. However, the natural look is actually something I like better in general. So no coloured nail polish either, please. ;)

I wanna make out without makeup.

Well okay, a little makeup doesn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by Galen

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsftRl-2UlA

Right. . . I think the "natural makeup" effect is what men like best. But, to make sure I'm right. . . here's some pictures of the different makeup "looks". . . vote on which one you like best. :)

(and yes, I'm only using blonds because it makes the comparing all the more easier. ;) )

a.) No makeup

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-conte...n-nomakeup.jpg

b.) Natural makeup

http://cosmetic-treatments.com/wp-co...al-makeup2.jpg

c.) Heavy/gaudy makeup

http://cdn.intersynq.org/thumb.axd?i...pg&w=158&h=178

There is a midline at which makeup is attractive. If you're wearing so much that it doesn't look like you, it's more of a turn-off than none at all. And there's something attractive about a 'just got out of bed and I'm still pretty damn hot' look, but obviously that only works if you're still pretty damn hot.

But between those two extremes, there's a way to apply makeup to make you look like yourself but slightly prettier. Many women on TV have mastered this (by which I mean many makeup artists have mastered this), and it is a fantastic thing.

b) is more like photoshop makeup, but anyways, it depends on the girl and what looks good on her. It also depends on the occasion. No reason to restrict on one type of makeup. Be random, be different, be unique, be yourself.

I prefer the goth look on myself; heavy dark eye makeup and red lips... and I prefer to look like this when I go out. I like to accentuate my features, and I've always been a fan of the dramatic look.

The guys that are generally attracted to me aren't really going for the au naturel look themselves either. Most of them will have some form of body modification whether it be piercings or tattoos, or they are part of some alternative scene.

A friend of mine used to tell me he gets turned on when I start taking my makeup off because to him it signals 'sexy time'. I won't have sex with my makeup on if we're going to do it in my bed.... expensive bed sheets that I really don't feel like ruining with smudged lipstick and eyeliner lol.

I noticed with a lot of guys though it doesn't really matter so much about the makeup, it's more about the overall appearance, body language, confidence level, and how much potential there is that you'll click. Give a guy a flirty smile and a wink and he'll be more willing to come say hi even if you do look super sloppy.

A. to about B. very natural makeup. I still want to look like me.

Depends on if you need it. If you don't then don't use it because it will turn out looking worse, especially later on. If you want to give definition to your eyelashes then do that. But in that second picture you linked you can tell she looks like porcelain or whatever and its not doing well for her skin. The first picture is also just low-quality and has patched pixels. It's not bad irl.

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Originally Posted by yellow82

Right. . . I think the "natural makeup" effect is what men like best. But, to make sure I'm right. . . here's some pictures of the different makeup "looks". . . vote on which one you like best. :)

(and yes, I'm only using blonds because it makes the comparing all the more easier. ;) )

a.) No makeup

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-conte...n-nomakeup.jpg

b.) Natural makeup

http://cosmetic-treatments.com/wp-co...al-makeup2.jpg

c.) Heavy/gaudy makeup

http://cdn.intersynq.org/thumb.axd?i...pg&w=158&h=178

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Of those three, definitely A and B only. C looks sexy but it just seems too unnatural to me. :? The way I look at makeup is, it should be used to accentuate an already beautiful face. :yup:

I won't leave the house without makeup. I go for the natural look and hide all the scaring that I have on my face from past blemishes. So it's only foundation, some eyeliner, and a bit of bronzer for me. If I'm going out at night then I mix it up with a more dramatic look. I tend to go for ruby red lipstick and a less dramatic look on the eyes or smoky eyes with a rosy pink lip. I usually go au naturale if I feel comfortable with the person or if I'm on cam... since I'm too lazy to do myself up.

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Originally Posted by bionic

I won't leave the house without makeup. I go for the natural look and hide all the scaring that I have on my face from past blemishes. So it's only foundation, some eyeliner, and a bit of bronzer for me. If I'm going out at night then I mix it up with a more dramatic look. I tend to go for ruby red lipstick and a less dramatic look on the eyes or smoky eyes with a rosy pink lip. I usually go au naturale if I feel comfortable with the person or if I'm on cam... since I'm too lazy to do myself up.

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You always look gorgeous when you do your makeup, you've got a really good eye for it :)

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Originally Posted by bionic

I won't leave the house without makeup. I go for the natural look and hide all the scaring that I have on my face from past blemishes. So it's only foundation, some eyeliner, and a bit of bronzer for me. If I'm going out at night then I mix it up with a more dramatic look. I tend to go for ruby red lipstick and a less dramatic look on the eyes or smoky eyes with a rosy pink lip. I usually go au naturale if I feel comfortable with the person or if I'm on cam... since I'm too lazy to do myself up.

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Originally Posted by Hemoglobin

You always look gorgeous when you do your makeup, you've got a really good eye for it :)

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:):thumbsup:

When in doubt, sink time and effort into having well-washed and conditioned plush, flowing locks.

Guys dig that.

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Originally Posted by Hemoglobin

You always look gorgeous when you do your makeup, you've got a really good eye for it :)

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Danke :)

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Originally Posted by Cat King Cole

When in doubt, sink time and effort into having well-washed and conditioned plush, flowing locks.

Guys dig that.

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Did you wash your hair today?

It's indifferent for me unless make-up is overblown, in which case I don't like it. I esp. don't like make-up on the eyes.

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Originally Posted by octopuslove

Most guys will say, "I like it when girls don't wear makeup," but what they really mean is, "I like it when girls wear a little bit of makeup, not cake-face." They generally can't tell when you have a tiny bit of makeup on, they just think you look more "awake" or "healthy" or something, and when you turn up with absolutelly no makeup, they think you look "tired".

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Definitely, my friend has pointed out days when she's not wearing makeup and days when she is, and I do seem to feel that she is more "awake" or something when she has makeup. (Though I say she looks fine in either situation!)

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Originally Posted by FDG

I esp. don't like make-up on the eyes.

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Me, neither. I've only worn makeup for acting, and even then I didn't let people get too close to my eyes.

With make-up, definitely.

No offense but the reason why men and other women invented make-up for women is because they just look uglier w/o make-up them men do. Idk what it is but they do.

A woman w/o make-up, 9 times out of 10 they just look tired and washed-out and blah. But the right make-up and they look so pretty again.

Women and make-up just goes together. They don't have to over-do it or spend a fortune though. But yeah, a bit of blush and lip gloss & eye shadow goes a looooong way w/ my mom and sister.

One could argue that they should be subtle and natural with it, but even if they aren't- I don't see what the big deal is.

I think campy/'over-blown' make up is actually very attractive, so maybe I'm in the minority with that one.

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I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. .

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This is interesting to me. I'm not straight , but I actually prefer girls who look very pretty and maybe even almost preppy. Just really 'cute' and pretty and nice w/lots of make-up....

And I also prefer the nerdy woman look. Because it makes me think that we could have an interesting talk about anime or RPGs... maybe sailor moon idk. Like they might actually know what 'tanking' means.

I prefer either nerdy or preppy/pretty. But if a girl just looks 'too normal' I think she will be too judgmental for me not having a real job yet, so I sort of ignore her. Plus there's this insecurity and vulnerability that both pretty/nerdy girls have, that I think is attractive and approachable.

So yeah, being a nerd makes you approachable. So does being pretty. But being idk, too much in the middle....there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered. At least that's how it feels objectively. And men are very visual, and we make a lot of decisions based on how things appear (for better or for worse xP)

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Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves

there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered.

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That's explanatory.

I like lipstick on women, pink to highlight the attractiveness of their lips; red is the only other but it's too 'loud', generally. Not that it isn't attractive though.

I prefer natural looks besides that, unless women hide it well and I just think they're natural. Oh yeah I don't mind a drawn marking/mole.

Basically just don't over do it to where you're not you anymore.

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Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold

I like lipstick on women, pink to highlight the attractiveness of their lips; red is the only other but it's too 'loud', generally. Not that it isn't attractive though.

I prefer natural looks besides that, unless women hide it well and I just think they're natural. Oh yeah I don't mind a drawn marking/mole.

Basically just don't over do it to where you're not you anymore.

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You have this in common with my mom. I have a natural mole and it's dark; she admires it often, looking at it and touching it; she remembers all the ones I've had (some have either faded or have scabbed off) and she recounts them by asking me or telling me "you used to have one on your cheek as a teenager, honey; right here (pointing to my cheek)."

So, in my avatar pic I am not wearing any meakup. Is it obvious? Do I look "tired"?

Anyway, every time I've tried wearing makeup, it just feels weird. I don't like it. The way I figure, if people are always used to seeing me without makeup, they'll never give a second thought to it.

My mother-in-law, on the other hand, wears makeup and the times I've seen her without it (only in her own home) she looks entirely different-- older. I don't want people to be thinking that about me.

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Originally Posted by pianosinger

So, in my avatar pic I am not wearing any meakup. Is it obvious? Do I look "tired"?

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Not really from my POV. But my gf never wears make-up either. In fact I tend to immediately notice when a girl-woman is wearing make up, her skin usually way too smooth (unless she has a natural thick-darker skin).

I like the change from no make-up to a little make-up.

Either none or heavy. The in-between is just fake.

little or no make up is best imo.

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Originally Posted by yellow82

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

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Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

I suggest trying this look for experimentation purposes so you can see how many men you attract:

http://images.inmagine.com/400nwm/ir...tg01315461.jpg

I really don't care, use it or don't and I will tell you if I find you attractive.

That's my attitude...

now the entire issue of the "poor" woman having to use makeup to keep her image up in order to be accepted by men -- complete bullshit. The correct attitude to have is makeup is just a means of self-expression, either express yourself with it in whatever way you like or don't, it doesn't really matter. If men like you with it or not, that's their opinion. If being accepted by men is so important that you are willing apply makeup to yourself in a way that impresses them, then that's really your decision, so I don't see how that makes you a victim of anything but yourself.

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Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

I suggest trying this look for experimentation purposes so you can see how many men you attract:

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Wow. . . no. :stroke:

I usually dress in a bright pink or red flowing dress, with dangling earrings and some heels that match. It's nice, but it only takes five minutes to put on. . . then I walk out the door. (Something like these: )

http://www.thecheapgirl.com/wp-conte...-Red-Dress.jpg

http://images.quickblogcast.com/8/2/...s_Bergdorf.jpg

http://www.modelinia.com/_content/sl...ood_051091.jpg

I don't consider any of the styles of these dresses "slutty" whatsoever.


I honestly rarely wear pants. . . so when I do, men have a tendency of staring at times. . . even though they aren't skin-tight. . . though it's only when they know me well and know that I rarely wear them. :thinking:

I don't think most men understand make-up so when they say "I prefer natural" it's more "I want you to look good naturally", that is you must look flawless naturally or wear enough make-up to look naturally flawless but not so much that it's overtly noticeable.
Not that I blame them, people are after all programmed to be attracted to healthy looking fertile mates (and that's where make-up can be manipulative; let's just say I'm glad men can't "lie" like that :p)

On a similar note I think most women who wear heavy/complex make-up are doing it more for themselves and other women than to attract men. Just walking through downtown I come across a lot of young girls who do this and I can admire the creativity and detailed work that goes into some of their looks and if it makes them feel happy and self-confident, good on them

btw yellow I like your taste in fashion

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-05-24-scarjo.jpg

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btw yellow I like your taste in fashion

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Awww. . . thanks. :) :love: :)

You're seriously underestimating guys when it comes to recognizing make-up (I won't comment on fashion or shoes, because I can see that as a weak spot, lol). It's quite obvious that everyone on TV or during a photoshoot is wearing make-up, their skin is almost perfect (no wrinkles) even when they're under strong sunlight and are being looked at from less than 30 cms, unless they're above 60 yo.
Now if you want to convince yourself that someone who says "I perfer natural" really means something else, by all means do it if that makes you happy, it prolly won't lead to a significantly diverging outcome. Just don't try to think that such opinion is a realistic representation of how people think.

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Originally Posted by FDG

You're seriously underestimating guys when it comes to recognizing make-up (I won't comment on fashion or shoes, because I can see that as a weak spot, lol). It's quite obvious that everyone on TV or during a photoshoot is wearing make-up, their skin is almost perfect (no wrinkles) even when they're under strong sunlight and are being looked at from less than 30 cms, unless they're above 60 yo.
Now if you want to convince yourself that someone who says "I perfer natural" really means something else, by all means do it if that makes you happy, it prolly won't lead to a significantly diverging outcome. Just don't try to think that such opinion is a realistic representation of how people think.

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1058/...7e1c2b1711.jpghttp://images.teamsugar.com/files/us...amily225yh.jpg
http://www.celebact.com/psl/d/scarle...on-nude013.jpg

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/201...on-jamaica.jpg

http://s1.guyism.com/up/scarjo-kunis-no-makeup-005.jpg
http://www.caughtonset.com/wp-conten...7565625960.jpg
http://www.caughtonset.com/wp-conten...7565636523.jpg
http://www.superiorpics.com/wenn_alb...wenn289944.jpg

makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

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Originally Posted by octopuslove

You're still only talking about foundation, and lots of foundation at that (that's the only way to cover wrinkles, afaik...). Would you notice if a woman was wearing a non-shimmer blush, lip stain and clear mascara?

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If I didn't know her, I would likely not notice the blush and maybe the lip stain...mascara is very noticeable. If I knew her I would probably notice, but it's not like make-up is bad...I just think it's rather uninfluential esp. with a guy you see multiple times.

Anyway the point I was trying to make is that completely unblemished skin isn't obviously taken as a signature of "wowww she's perfect" unless the woman-girl is below 18...maybe some males really don't recognize make-up but I don't think they're necessarily a strong majority.

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Originally Posted by labcoat

makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

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What an :Ne: and :Ni: thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are. :?

Hey Parkster

She's EIE

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makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

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What an :Ne: and :Ni: thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are. :?

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I kind of liked the quote.....

I think more important than makeup vs no makeup is whether the person has developed an aesthetic. I really appreciate a woman who puts effort into her appearance, likes clothes, shoes etc. There is no shame in looking good(who doesnt love a good atmosphere and attractive community) and woman who develops a full aesthetic will do her makeup just fine no matter the amount or type.

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What an :Ne: and :Ni: thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are. :?

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I kind of liked the quote.....

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Likewise. Classic LII.

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Originally Posted by yellow82

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

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Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

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Haha, this is exactly what i was going to ask after reading the OP! (well using more civilized terms but same idea).

But yellow82 since you answered that with "no" (and granted sometimes people are a little oblivious to how provocatively they might be dressed), it might be the way you carry yourself. Guys asking women out in the grocery store, at first sight, in my mind are honing in on a potentially easy target (even if you aren't, you might unintentionally be coming across that way), and if it's happening with such regularity (twice every time you go out in public!!) that is most likely why. Maybe you are giving them "come hither" stares without realizing it, for example.

I'm not saying you're not attractive, yellow82. I'm sure you are, but for example if your face and body language spoke "don't you dare!" or "i'm picky" or "I'm better than you" or "you gotta prove yourself" guys would not be approaching you, no matter how beautiful you might be. Not at first sight like that, with such ease.

I'm also not saying you should change that about yourself, because it's good to be approachable. Your duals need you to be approachable. My point is, just be cautious about guys asking you out like that. They might just be looking for a fling. It's more their problem than anything being wrong with you.

Hmmm. . . you're probably right. I am just about the friendliest person you could ever care to meet (in person). Online, I tend to be a bit more opinionated. Muwhahaha. ;)

I've always considered such small talk as simply friendly. If the guy doesn't mention going out, or getting my number, or seeing me again somewhere (and even that I don't always consider flirting), and we're just having a good time talking chit-chat I see no "flirting" in that at all. . . although some girls I know do. :thinking:

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

I will admit though, (guilty pleasure), I enjoy trying new ways of talking to men just to see their reactions. . . it's like conducting an experiment on human behavior. It's quite fascinating! XD There, that's my curious ENTp side coming out. ;)

Haha. . . I in fact have an ENTp guy friend that helps me come up with the ideas! :p We conduct "experiments" on people all the time. . . don't worry, no humans we're ever harmed in our experiments, it was simply in the name of "curiosity". Kind of like Hodgens on Bones. . . gotta love that guy! :love: :)

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Originally Posted by yellow82

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

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What is this "level" you speak of? :confused2:

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She only goes out with guys that have makeup

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Originally Posted by yellow82

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

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What is this "level" you speak of? :confused2:

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Yeah, could you give us your measurements?

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What is this "level" you speak of? :confused2:

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She only goes out with guys that have makeup

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Yeah, could you give us your measurements?

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5'10" and 36-29-34. :thinking:

Can we still be friends anyway, Parkster? :(

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CiLi, Parkster is 5'11 and 35-28-33.... He never goes out with a woman that is not on his level physically... you can fake it until you make it.. like you can put on some make up and high heels.

Even to be his friend you need to be at least equal to him. that means you have to grow one more inch to be his friend.

I mean... you can be my friend tho... :(

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I'm sorry. I can see how that was confusing. . .

What I mean is, I would never go out with a handicapped dude. . . (unless it was after we got together and something tragic happened, and I loved him. . . I'd stay with him then.)

And I'd never go out with someone I didn't feel any physical attraction towards. Or a guy that is fat. . .

That's what I mean by being on the same physical level as I am. I'm not handicapped, I'm attractive, and I'm not fat. I expect the same from a guy I go out with.

On the mental level. . . I would never go out with anyone "dumber" then I am, and I want them to be ambitious, (going towards a goal). They don't have to be going to college, though I would prefer it, since I am. . .

On the spiritual level, I'm a very conservative Christian. I want a man that is a reasonably conservative Christian with high standards of morality. . . for example: I'm a virgin, I want to marry a virgin as well. . . it's only fair. :cool:

I put on lots and lots of makeup wherever I go.

lol yellow you are like the walking stereotype of Jung's description of :Fe:

Thank you? :lol:

You're right though. . . I realized that quite a long time ago. ;)

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What I mean is, I would never go out with a handicapped dude. . . (unless it was after we got together and something tragic happened, and I loved him. . . I'd stay with him then.)

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What if you were handicapped? Would you only date other handicapped people?

I can understand wanting someone on your level mentally and spiritually. Physical, too, but to a point. Sure, you want someone who's healthy. But who's to say a handicapped person can't be otherwise healthy? Would you ever allow yourself to try dating a capable blind man, for instance?

I most likely wouldn't date if I was handicapped. . .

A capable blind man? :thinking: I've never seen such a thing. . . but maybe. . . by handicapped I mean someone who can no longer walk/work. So, for all those who are thinking, "hearing loss" or something of the like, I really don't define that as handicapped. . .

Handicapped to me is when you can no longer function without the help of others. Although I could be very close friends to someone like that, I wouldn't feel a desire to marry one. . .

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It is. Each and every day. Life is an adventure. ;)

I've known friends of mine that have said: "I want to be you! Your life sounds like so much fun!"

;)

Technically, my life has been "different". But most of it's been a nightmare of a roller coaster ride. . . I could give details, but it would be an awful long story. . . so only if someone asked. . .

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What I mean is, I would never go out with a handicapped dude. . . (unless it was after we got together and something tragic happened, and I loved him. . . I'd stay with him then.)

And I'd never go out with someone I didn't feel any physical attraction towards. Or a guy that is fat. . .

That's what I mean by being on the same physical level as I am. I'm not handicapped, I'm attractive, and I'm not fat. I expect the same from a guy I go out with.

On the mental level. . . I would never go out with anyone "dumber" then I am, and I want them to be ambitious, (going towards a goal). They don't have to be going to college, though I would prefer it, since I am. . .

On the spiritual level, I'm a very conservative Christian. I want a man that is a reasonably conservative Christian with high standards of morality. . . for example: I'm a virgin, I want to marry a virgin as well. . . it's only fair. :cool:

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On the mental level. . . I would never go out with anyone "dumber" then I am, and I want them to be ambitious, (going towards a goal). They don't have to be going to college, though I would prefer it, since I am. . .

On the spiritual level, I'm a very conservative Christian. I want a man that is a reasonably conservative Christian with high standards of morality. . . for example: I'm a virgin, I want to marry a virgin as well. . . it's only fair. :cool:

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I wouldn't date someone who's stupid. I might date someone who's fat.

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lol yellow you are like the walking stereotype of Jung's description of :Fe:

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Final confirmation that I'm Ti.

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lol yellow you are like the walking stereotype of Jung's description of :Fe:

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Final confirmation that I'm Ti.

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Ti what ?

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What an :Ne: and :Ni: thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are. :?

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I kind of liked the quote.....

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I kind of liked the quote.....

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Likewise. Classic LII.

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I did too. I was secretly laughing inside. :p

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I'm sorry. I can see how that was confusing. . .

What I mean is, I would never go out with a handicapped dude. . . (unless it was after we got together and something tragic happened, and I loved him. . . I'd stay with him then.)

And I'd never go out with someone I didn't feel any physical attraction towards. Or a guy that is fat. . .

That's what I mean by being on the same physical level as I am. I'm not handicapped, I'm attractive, and I'm not fat. I expect the same from a guy I go out with.

On the mental level. . . I would never go out with anyone "dumber" then I am, and I want them to be ambitious, (going towards a goal). They don't have to be going to college, though I would prefer it, since I am. . .

On the spiritual level, I'm a very conservative Christian. I want a man that is a reasonably conservative Christian with high standards of morality. . . for example: I'm a virgin, I want to marry a virgin as well. . . it's only fair. :cool:

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Hey, I might know a guy who fits the bill.

Well, I know more then one. . . but according to a lot of other people I know that don't hang out with my groups of close friends, they seem to be considered a "rare breed" of man.

It's nice that you know one. :)

I've often gotten: "you are the first person I've met even remotely like that."

It's a bit discouraging when you go to college and you might know a few guys that are like that, but they're 20 years older, or ugly, or married. . . etc. etc. etc. . .

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Originally Posted by BandD

With make-up, definitely.

No offense but the reason why men and other women invented make-up for women is because they just look uglier w/o make-up them men do. Idk what it is but they do.

A woman w/o make-up, 9 times out of 10 they just look tired and washed-out and blah. But the right make-up and they look so pretty again.

Women and make-up just goes together. They don't have to over-do it or spend a fortune though. But yeah, a bit of blush and lip gloss & eye shadow goes a looooong way w/ my mom and sister.

One could argue that they should be subtle and natural with it, but even if they aren't- I don't see what the big deal is.

I think campy/'over-blown' make up is actually very attractive, so maybe I'm in the minority with that one.

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bullshit

band's talk reflects well the spread misogyny of the world, girls be objects that need to be cute at all occasions to satisfy a man's gaze.

girls, women look absolutely ok, normal, they are who they are, without makeup, yet they need to be pimped up all the time to be labeled "nice", it's not uncommon to think like this because it's literally what we're bombarded with, and beauty too is not just an innate thing but built by behaviors and social standards too... so yes, we live in a male chauvinist world, sad.

I think there are a lot of people of either gender who do like to know how another truly looks without any make up on. Imagine waking up beside someone and being in shock at how they really look with that makeup rubbed off on that pillowcase.
Better to appreciate true beauty, inner beauty and on a seperate note the beauty that can be created for various reasons.

If we think that life will be easier because we are more attractive (when we have makeup on or in general), then this kind of thinking goes beyond appearance. What we get to experience with that mindset is just something to live through and debunk (or not).

Someone who thinks that they are more honest or something if they don't have makeup on and expect to be recognized as such, does not differ from someone who wears makeup for a certain goal.
I think that many people who prefer a natural look actually seek unconditioned spontaneity and crispness, which do not have much to do with whether a person likes makeup or not.

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band's talk reflects well the spread misogyny of the world, girls be objects that need to be cute at all occasions to satisfy a man's gaze.

girls, women look absolutely ok, normal, they are who they are, without makeup, yet they need to be pimped up all the time to be labeled "nice", it's not uncommon to think like this because it's literally what we're bombarded with, and beauty too is not just an innate thing but built by behaviors and social standards too... so yes, we live in a male chauvinist world, sad.

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I agree that there's a cultural pressure to wear makeup but I wouldn't blame men. I've seen more opinions from them that women spend too much time perfecting their look or using too strong makeup than the other way around. More probable reasons are advertising, competition and image promoted by media. All these cosmetics ads, women-oriented sites that focus on showing latest trends in fashion, discussions on forums for women about how to improve your look. It makes women think that they're bad at being a woman if they don't follow these popular trends. They get interested in this topic and continue the trend, passing it to next generations. There are no men in this process.

Aesthetically I like either subtle makeup on women or not at all. Many of them put too much on their face and it looks like a mask, like something artificial and not a real person, it's unattractive for me. I also doubt all these chemicals are good for skin. I like people who don't waste their time and money to fit in some dumb trends and only do what's truly good for them or what they enjoy. I doubt any woman would say "I like that feeling when an epilator removes my hair, I prefer it over watching a movie, I can't wait for my hair to grow back so I can repeat it!". My message to everyone is: please do what you like, be an individual who doesn't follow everything mindlessly like a sheep, there are people who really appreciate it.

yes i agree 100%, and it's true that it's especially women to perpetrate these behaviors, and the whole pop culture is about the cheerleader chickens team that is always blond and perfect and shaved everywhere and wears mini skirts and if youre not like them then ure not a real woman because women gotta be dancing chickens that shave everyday and talk bad about each others behind one's back

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I look alright without makeup. No major skin issues so no need for foundation. My facial features are fairly prominent so I do minimal contouring. I use it to add color to my face. My makeup skills are quite amateurish.

I would say my face is above average...not near the top but enough so that random strangers will comment on it in public. Makeup just amps up my face. I have had some women express insecurity when I choose to wear it so I get self-conscious whether or not I wear it.

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Me, too.

No makeup. I iz lazy.

I prefer the look of no makeup.

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So yeah, being a nerd makes you approachable. So does being pretty. But being idk, too much in the middle....there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered. At least that's how it feels objectively. And men are very visual, and we make a lot of decisions based on how things appear (for better or for worse xP)

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This seems true IME too

they probably think “this normie wouldn’t want my d”

I think the above works the opposite way too: in that if you do normie light average makeup, you probably really are busier and it’s a typical day. But if you’re either not wearing makeup or wearing a lot, it’s more likely some special occasion or you’re more open to random things entering your life and it unconsciously shows too or something like that.

It might also have something to do with confidence that gets projected, or is implied with either none or a lot of makeup

I expect them to know what they want lol

I ain't about to say shit on that

I probably started experimenting with makeup (simple things like fruity lip gloss) when I was 13 years old or so. I feel like I’ve experimented with so many different things, yet now I see makeup guru type people on YouTube with 1000 different products and steps to their routines and I just feel completely incompetent. I feel like this culture has changed a lot because of social media like Instagram and YouTube teaching people how to “glow up” and transform into something different completely.

I think if a man loves you then he prefers, or at the very least, likes you at least as much without any makeup on. Can you honestly say “meh I prefer them with makeup on” about anyone you love? Not in a plastic/objective beauty or evil capitalistic way but subjectively. Maybe the girl version would be like overall preferring the guy using the money/status/opportunities made by himself instead of just using his family’s, or something like that, because it’s a better representation of who they really are. In every instance where it’s come up, guys have told me they prefer me without makeup. In instances where my boyfriend has been the one to experiment with light makeup, unless it was for a special occasion like drag I’ve felt extremely weird about it and just didn’t like it.

I also think the higher the man’s Si, the more he can generally tell how much makeup you’re wearing.

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I look alright without makeup. No major skin issues so no need for foundation. My facial features are fairly prominent so I do minimal contouring. I use it to add color to my face. My makeup skills are quite amateurish.

I would say my face is above average...not near the top but enough so that random strangers will comment on it in public. Makeup just amps up my face. I have had some women express insecurity when I choose to wear it so I get self-conscious whether or not I wear it.

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Then you too are blessed with neoteny I'd wager. Wish I lacked major skin issues though because I do have one. If I don't treat it regularly my forehead makes David Icke look like he's got a legitimate point about reptilians being a thing. Other than that though, if I keep myself clean shaven and deal with the gray hairs I have I can easily pass for a High School Student even though I'm 30+ years old.

Since you sound like a girl I'd give this advice. Makeup on the first date, then slowly "forget" parts of it as time went on. By the fourth or fifth in your mind you just forget it entirely. See if he notices. If he doesn't, he's probably fallen hard for you. A man in love will see even 5-6 HB's as 10's. Personality matters, be significantly nicer than the HB 10 bitchy supermodel to him and you'll see just how wrong those crazy Karen's were/are about "Toxic Masculinity" and how we only care about looks...

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I probably started experimenting with makeup (simple things like fruity lip gloss) when I was 13 years old or so. I feel like I’ve experimented with so many different things, yet now I see makeup guru type people on YouTube with 1000 different products and steps to their routines and I just feel completely incompetent. I feel like this culture has changed a lot because of social media like Instagram and YouTube teaching people how to “glow up” and transform into something different completely.

I think if a man loves you then he prefers, or at the very least, likes you at least as much without any makeup on. Can you honestly say “meh I prefer them with makeup on” about anyone you love? Not in a plastic/objective beauty or evil capitalistic way but subjectively. Maybe the girl version would be like overall preferring the guy using the money/status/opportunities made by himself instead of just using his family’s, or something like that, because it’s a better representation of who they really are. In every instance where it’s come up, guys have told me they prefer me without makeup. In instances where my boyfriend has been the one to experiment with light makeup, unless it was for a special occasion like drag I’ve felt extremely weird about it and just didn’t like it.

I also think the higher the man’s Si, the more he can generally tell how much makeup you’re wearing.

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Too much makeup imo looks weird on a woman and if I'm dating her and all that is smeared on her face.. it kinda sux. e_e plus I'll know how she really looks eventually one morning, so tons of makeup means she is insecure about her looks / hiding.

Some women I know have freaky long fake nails :thinking: when I see that I kinda think less of her due to how impractical and kitsch it is. It just sends the wrong message to me at least. Red flags, imo avoid.

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Too much makeup imo looks weird on a woman and if I'm dating her and all that is smeared on her face.. it kinda sux. e_e plus I'll know how she really looks eventually one morning, so tons of makeup means she is insecure about her looks / hiding.

Some women I know have freaky long fake nails :thinking: when I see that I kinda think less of her due to how impractical and kitsch it is. It just sends the wrong message to me at least. Red flags, imo avoid.

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Yeah, can't risk her make up falling on the sandwich after we send 'em to make us lunch while we watch da game huh

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Yeah, can't risk her make up falling on the sandwich after we send 'em to make us lunch while we watch da game huh

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Kissing a woman with so much makeup on is not the most pleasant experience.

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Too much makeup imo looks weird on a woman and if I'm dating her and all that is smeared on her face.. it kinda sux. e_e plus I'll know how she really looks eventually one morning, so tons of makeup means she is insecure about her looks / hiding.

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Yeah, most guys seem to say things along these lines. Guys who really like this stuff (tons of makeup and really flashy and done up) are often weird too, and are few and far between. It doesn’t take a genius to predict what the general consensus is.

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Some women I know have freaky long fake nails :thinking: when I see that I kinda think less of her due to how impractical and kitsch it is. It just sends the wrong message to me at least. Red flags, imo avoid.

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Lol, I am the opposite of this. I bite my nails really short. I can’t stand the idea of stuff getting underneath.

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I wonder what men consider "too much makeup" to be. I don't run around with green eye shadow and heavy eyeliner on the daily, but I still think some "natural" makeup tutorials use just as many products as I use. Many of them perhaps even use more if they're filmed by an influencer, and these Natural/No-Makeup tutorials often utilize different shades of eye shadow, false lashes, lipstick, blush, concealer, and all. For instance, when asked about her take on the "No-Makeup Makeup Look" in an interview, Dita Von Teese said this:



And I agree with the sentiments tbh. It's still a lot of makeup in the end, just a different aesthetic achieved with much different applications and tools. And I don't think men care about the hard work that goes into makeup, or the expression, and just want a "clean" or "natural" looking aesthetic.

As for the long nails, they're fun. You learn to use them, and they're helpful in a lot of ways. I've maybe gotten acrylics once or twice? Mainly press ons that I would paint myself using weirdo indie colors and file them myself. I'm really picky like that. I would get comments from men, "Oh, my daughter has nails like that and I can't stand it!" but it's just more people to ignore I suppose. "They probably look lovely on her. Have a nice day." I have to keep my nails short since my sister is immunocompromised and I can't risk scratching her when I bath her or smth, but nails are also a fun form of self expression and something to try.

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When I kiss her e_e it shouldn't feel / taste like a chemical factory on her face. The makeup can look all "naturell" and this still happens..
:shrug: I guess women get used to it on their end? My gf did my nails once on one hand for the lulz.. I thought I was suffocating at the fingers. I had to rub it off with diluent in the garage. Idk, if she feels like she needs a lot of makeup for a social event, because it makes her feel good, imo go for it.. but I won't love her any less if she keeps the face-paint to a minimum otherwise. Someone I know once told me that she always carries a red lipstick with her, because putting it on makes her more confident..<_< imo she looked gr8 even after she are it all off her lips. *shrug*

Women with long nails don't do yard or garden work, its unpractical for exercise weak grip due to inability to form a fist , moving around and grabbing things or even for heavy keyboard use if sedentary. Its just always in the way and to me the message conveyed is that she will be whiny and high maintenance, not someone I can be active with, not someone I can take camping on a mountain or rely on to pull her own weight.

EDIT: I'm also sure men don't really care about women's nails. Clean and short-ish is perfectly fine. If women do their nails, its mainly for themselves imo.

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Maybe she was buying the cheap shit ;)


I know many women who do have long nails and do garden/yard work, exercise, lift and move things around and what not. As for all other points, I did mention people learn their way around nails and learn to use them to their benefit. They're quite sharp and sturdy so they end up being multipurpose in a way.


As for the latter half of your post, it's a weird thing to nitpick but still a valid opinion. I think people should ask themselves why they hold that opinion of people with nails though. It's most likely due to media. For instance, the SLE dude I grew up with became obsessed with his appearance after he became a teenager, to the point where some people would make fun of him by calling him a metrosexual. But he's pretty humble in many aspects, is very religious, still lives with his family and provides for them financially, knows how to repair things, and is overall a pretty sweet guy. I don't think there's anything wrong with people wanting to look a certain way.



My question was mainly rhetorical (I did not actually mean "men") and I was analyzing standards, society, ways of expression, and such, so it's kind of funny you replied to me with all this. But I mean, yes. A manicure costs like 40-70 USD. Of course people are getting manicures because they genuinely like them.

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<.< thats a lot for something that temporary (to me it just looks like wasting money). Anyway IF women think they have to do all this for men.. well guys don't really care about most of it & won't notice in the first place. IF she does it for herself, that's a different story, ppl should do whatever makes them happy imo.

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That's an erroneous assumption. There can be an element of "attracting men" but a lot of it has to do with artistic expression. I usually perceive extreme aesthetic displays like super long nails, goth aesthetic, etc. as more tied to the latter.

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:thinking: interesting. I like that idea tbh. So its like an Aurelio Voltaire type of thing, where they are part of a scene and its part of their identity / style. :> big fan of anything Gothic here tbh, although I prefer the more subdued, sort of the "edge of the forest" kind of thing, where realism meets the otherworldly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoQRSBAm3kA

i think eyeliner would look wonderful on men

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I really don't think he can read. Much of my posts are talking about self expression and achieving specific aesthetics, I don't think I mentioned anything about trying to attract anybody. Just the perception that people have about others who use makeup as a tool for self expression, regardless of the aesthetic achieved in the end.

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I just wanted to force my opinion into this thread :3, what your intention was or is doesn't really matter to me.

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Yeah, I agree to that.

https://images.hellogiggles.com/uplo...814/colin2.jpg

@Nymphaeales re: long nails, I can think some of them look good, and if the woman wearing them looks put-together then I don’t really question the sanitariness of them.

I just remembered that I’m just kind of traumatized by long or painted nails of a specific style or with a specific personality of person being around me, because my mom would often paint her long nails growing up in really tacky colors and often accidentally scratch me or tap them annoyingly on things to get people’s attention. I hate that.

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I know many women who do have long nails and do garden/yard work, exercise, lift and move things around and what not. As for all other points, I did mention people learn their way around nails and learn to use them to their benefit. They're quite sharp and sturdy so they end up being multipurpose in a way.

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They’re not uber long though right? The longer they get, the easier it gets to accidentally get one bent backwards or get caught on something, and then cue entire nail getting ripped off and going to the hospital and your soft squishy nail beds bleeding and needing months to heal. Longer + more space underneath = more surface area for bacteria to get on also. It’s almost dangerous to have IMO unless you have really gotten used to cleaning and maintaining them and have a fairly predictable urban lifestyle.

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I just wanted to force my opinion into this thread :3

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I thought your input was valid because the entire thread was about the question of whether or not makeup etc is attractive to men anyway.

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They’re not uber long though right? The longer they get, the easier it gets to accidentally get one bent backwards or get caught on something, and then cue entire nail getting ripped off and going to the hospital and your soft squishy nail beds bleeding and needing months to heal. Longer + more space underneath = more surface area for bacteria to get on also. It’s almost dangerous to have IMO unless you have really gotten used to cleaning and maintaining them and have a fairly predictable urban lifestyle.

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...31/208/969.png

..shit shit shit... STOP... the images in my mind omg. My nails hurt just thinking about what you wrote..

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..shit shit shit... STOP... the images in my mind omg. My nails hurt just thinking about what you wrote..

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Yea see ur Si seeking

I've always had this disgust of nails that sometimes was a fascination, but overall it is a disgust. It's that they keep growing and the shapes they form and what they represent (for instance when pridefully grown out), or when they are different lengths/shapes. Sometimes in movies the young heroine will have really long nails of uneven lengths and it's some symbol of unbridled youth or something. I don't know why hair and nails bother me so. I try not to see them, but sometimes I will find myself observing them in disgust, but I don't see this as judging people as I find my own hair and nails most disgusting of all. When guys have long nails I'm usually even more disgusted, and I don't know why knowing a nail is being used as a tool is even more disgusting. Is it that there is something intimate about fingertips? I really have never been able to pin this down. It's not as serious as I'm making it sound.

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I've always had this disgust of nails that sometimes was a fascination, but overall it is a disgust. It's that they keep growing and the shapes they form and what they represent (for instance when pridefully grown out), or when they are different lengths/shapes. Sometimes in movies the young heroine will have really long nails of uneven lengths and it's some symbol of unbridled youth or something. I don't know why hair and nails bother me so. I try not to see them, but sometimes I will find myself observing them in disgust, but I don't see this as judging people as I find my own hair and nails most disgusting of all. When guys have long nails I'm usually even more disgusted, and I don't know why knowing a nail is being used as a tool is even more disgusting. Is it that there is something intimate about fingertips? I really have never been able to pin this down. It's not as serious as I'm making it sound.

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Lolololol wtf

Yeah long (even slightly) nails on dudes is the absolute worst trait possible to me. It’s basically on par with being a serial killer.

BandD is gay i don't think his view of what makes a woman attractive or not is to be trusted as much, i mean you could still recognize that someone you're not sexually attracted to is/isnt attractive but its still different idk