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Hey everyone, here are some stereotypical gamma types!! Discuss!! Enjoy!!
Male ESFP
http://vimeo.com/20471570
Female ESFP
http://vimeo.com/20386754
Male INTP
http://vimeo.com/10349425
Female INTP
http://vimeo.com/10288904
Male ENTJ
http://vimeo.com/21117686
Female ENTJ
http://vimeo.com/21114946
Male ISFJ
http://vimeo.com/17305105
Female ISFJ
http://vimeo.com/17335714
Great find. Interesting to watch.
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Originally Posted by guy123
Jarno: in your academic opinion, what's the Socionics type of the woman in the last video, the ISFJ female? Hint: compare what she says with the ISFJ male.
(anyone is welcome to answer after Jarno did/refused first, please)
Male ESFP: EXFp? Sounds 7ish.
Female ESFP: EXFp or some weird Fe-ISFp (not as likely).
Male INTP: Se/Ni introvert, T ego.
Female INTP: hmm, have to do some process of elimination. Seems intro, T ego, probably not Fe valuing. I guess that would leave ISTp and INTp, and she doesn't seem too delta-ey. You do the math.
Male ENTJ: I see no problem with ENTj. ESTj would be a second guess.
Female ENTJ: EXTj for sure. Can't decide b/w quadras.
Male ISFJ: ISFj isn't unreasonable. He has that weird ISFj "I don't really know what to say so I'm just gonna mumble something and hope people understand me" vibe.
Female ISFJ: Can't really tell, ISFj seems off though?
The last one is ISFJ-Se imho. She's clearly leading Fi, very loving/caring/submissive. But more outspoken than the guy isfj. He's very shy.
oh and I think that all the typings of these people are correct. Although the people are not as stereotypical as I had hoped for.
I wonder what FDG has to say about them, I trust his typing skills.
The last one is alpha SF.
I didn't want to say anything, but she looks like Julia Louis-Dreyfus, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy
Peggy Hill and Sarah Palin too, minus the glasses.
I knew you'll say that, you get too distracted when an "expert" types, even if that's other system. She's an obvious stereotypical SEI, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
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Timmy: :thumbsup: close, though her full video is a Te-PoLR complaint :). (well Si + Te-PoLR)
Well it's good that I did not give her the same type as you did, cause I don't trust your typings. But that's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The IneffableI knew you'll say that, you get too distracted when an "expert" types, even if that's other system. She's an obvious stereotypical SEI, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
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Timmy: :thumbsup: close, though her full video is a Te-PoLR complaint :). (well Si + Te-PoLR)
If FDG types her SEI too, I will take a second look at the vid, but so far I still think ESI.
Works for me, Jarno. You can't make an opinion for yourself instead of merely trusting others based on credibility points (Russian Socionists and other typology "experts" included). That was my point, actually.
I found these awhile back but didn't post them due to them being Braintypes videos, a cousin of MBTI. As far as I can tell the socionics typings work with the exception of a few quasi-identicals introvert mix-ups a la classic "j/p switch"
I watched maybe a minute total, but the ESFPs look like C-sub Alpha SFs, rather predictably enough. The female is so hilariously not :Se: valuing.
Why, because she says she can be intimidated? That doesn't mean anything. A Se valuer could just be that way simply because they recognize certain dynamics, and not necessarily because they're immediately advantageous or obviously brimming with confidence. Not everyone is some cardboard cutout from a television show, as you seem to prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksei
Elvis was SEE, but the guy could be very reclusive, sat at home a lot, and was not even all that opportunistic with his career (more of a lack of Te there though in how he got screwed by the Colonel).
That doesn't mean woman is SEE though.. I just think she could be Se valuing at least.
i don't agree with this expert's typing of ******, who he claims is not eie.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ineffable
i differ from most people here not in that i rely on experts more, but i trust people's self typing more often. Especially people's selftyping who are not member of this forum.
I've seen more than on one occasion that somebody gets his selftyping right in 5 minutes. It's more easy than most people here think. And that's the trap they fall for, they see everyone struggling here with there selftyping and therefor they conclude, probably all selftypings are doubtful, which they aren't.
Especially these ones are most likely right. The people have selftyped, are seen by an expert, the expert has probably filtered among the different people to exclude all the doubtfull typed ones, and shown only the ones he's 100% sure of, and the people themselves are 100% sure of.
So there is a greater chance that these typing have a lower error rating than average. Average is about 75% correct, 25% wrong. So I estimate these ones on at least 90% correct.
****** was an INFJ IEI.
Jarno, there is a glaring flaw in this line of reasoning. We're interested in sociotype and this "expert" is typing his subjects using an entirely different typological system. So no, there is no compelling reason to assume that his "brain type" diagnoses correspond to these individuals' sociotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
lol I do that mumble thing sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
The female...no idea..could be EII. kids are kids...let 'em play.
he uses the same dichotomies as socionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmyJarno, there is a glaring flaw in this line of reasoning. We're interested in sociotype and this "expert" is typing his subjects using an entirely different typological system. So no, there is no compelling reason to assume that his "brain type" diagnoses correspond to these individuals' sociotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
so I assume they are the same.
If I remember correct, braintype is something similar as MBTI, instead of psychological types he likes to call them brain types.
But if you have any evidence that there are differences I'm curious to know them.
edit: it seems that the ones in delta are spot on, according to everyone including bolt (=which is a nice surprise)
The flaw being of course that dichotomies don't really fit IE values, which are the basis of type. By dichotomies, I should be SEE or IEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
There is a direct link between dichotomies and IE.
If you are a Sensor, Extravert and Perceiver, then you have Se as a leading function. Simple as that.
Yea but apparently Braintypes = MBTI or whatever. Typing by dichotomies with an MBTIian perspective leads to different conclusions than from a Socionics one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Well there definitions of dichotomies are just a slightly different than the definitions of dichotomies of socionics. So there is a big chance they end up with the same types.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeColdYea but apparently Braintypes = MBTI or whatever. Typing by dichotomies with an MBTIian perspective leads to different conclusions than from a Socionics one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Or do you find the definitions to differ very much?
The differences are subtle yet critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by JarnoWell there definitions of dichotomies are just a slightly different than the definitions of dichotomies of socionics. So there is a big chance they end up with the same types.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
Or do you find the definitions to differ very much?
It's not so much the correspondence(or lack thereof) between objective definitions(although faults made here are clear, being objective), but the subjective interpretations that are drawn from what people think when they read them. From this I'd say yes, the usual MBTI hobbyist's thoughts about EITNSFJP are vastly different from what Socionics' EITNSFJP are, the former being riddled with personality and behaviorist interpretations in contrast to Socionics' psychology bent(although acknowledged Socionics is not pure psychology, nor science).
I was searching MBTI type videos with the highest ratings, and this one came up #1 for INTP. I watched it and couldn't help realizing how similar this person thinks/speaks compared to myself (although I'm a little more internal and esoteric than her about my thoughts):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM2Y5Vrvk0
:hug: thanks - I see similarities, both in what he said, and how he said it...Quote:
Originally Posted by aixelsyd
:hug: I still think you're Delta NF with Ne subtype; Ne-EII, for the first time, I'm solid on (I couldn't rule out IEE before, but I can now rule out Ne-IEE) - it would be great to have you as my dual though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
Here's an MBTI INFJ - according to this, they're most frequently typed as Socionics EIIs... he's a bit obviously jittery in social situations and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZPtLNkCCxI
Yeah, but I'm an INTP. And my point wasn't that MBTI = Socionics. In fact here are some analyses on these "braintypes" I really hope aren't minded being posted for valid sake of the argument http://socionics.ws/wiki/index.php?t...intypes_videosQuote:
Originally Posted by woofwoofl
Though I believe that person in the video I linked is certainly INTP and we have a lot in common cognitively, and that INFJ you for whatever reason posted is much less like me cognitively. The fact remains that this is a thread about MBTI types which happens to take place on a forum where people study Socionics. Since the OP includes videos of INTPs I feel allowed to post here.
Also, it's great that you want to type me so enthusiastically and assuredly, but once is enough, I get the hazy picture you've so righteously provided.
Yep, Niednagel's system of Brain Types is removed from MBTI, which is removed from Socionics; there will be many, many differences :) are those Niffweed's typings, by the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
I like you as being a fellow :Fi:/:Te: valuer :content: my biggest wonder, though, is why :Ni: over :Ne:? Any and all other reasons for ILI, I'd love to hear too...
And don't ever feel bad about posting in Gamma quadra! :hug: once again, I'd love to hear why :Ni: over :Ne: for you, and don't feel discouraged or threatened at all, I might get to learn things from you, and to know you better - I've been known to butcher temperaments, I've been known to try to heave my duals out of Gamma, it could be a walk in the park to affirm yourself as my dual :)
(this means you should say stuff because I think you'd make a cool dual and all and I don't mind being wrong now so I can be right later if that's the case and everything and if it's just a "trust me" thing I'll try to do that too but it would be really cool to feed me some Ni and Te)
Makes me want to get a Kaki King. Quite the phenomenal player, and it's great that she lets the music speak for itself and to each listener to interpret in his or her own way rather than cluttering it up with lyrics*. I remember being intrigued by this photo in a magazine a few years ago and pondering why:
http://img.mp3mixx.com/images/covers...361505_big.jpg
Something about it says "I'm kind of a pain in the neck at times, but in a good way." :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
*Oops, looks like 5 or 6 six songs led me to a false conclusion about her music being wholly instrumental, though from what I've heard so far I still like that portion of her work the best.
Very impressive musician. At least we learn of some good things on this forum. It's great that she's able to break into popular music big-time using techniques more often associated with classical music, but with the steady jazzy rhythm underneath.Quote:
Originally Posted by k0rpsey
Her music seems to convey a static type, probably because of the Minimalist influence. At first I thought it might be IEE. But she acts like an actualized ILI, which suggests she could only be SEE or ILI. So I think SEE is right, and it's nice for once to see someone really intelligent being typed as SEE, rather than the stereotype surfacy-seeming movie stars.
Nevertheless, I'm sure that if you opened it up to the broader forum, some people will type her LII or some other Alpha type, because she's articulate and uses really intricate chord progressions that doubtless some people will associate with Ti or Ne.
ILIs love boxes?? Don't they??Quote:
Originally Posted by aixelsyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb1zMUQkMVo
They do; yes they do. :yup:
It's not a video about Socionics itself but I'm pretty sure the past aired MTV show, "I Used to Be Fat" set people up with their duals for fitness.
Here's what I think is an Se-SEE + Ni-ILI duality. They're both guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjgRVCRT7I&feature=related
Btw, me and Ashton on tinychat seemed to be representing a rather accurate depiction of gamma identicality.
^logs or it didn't happen
MisterNi,that video is dope.
Analyst Trevor should have recorded everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by timewu
Yeah, among other things, we also had an outsider person(my sister, accidentally) who upon seeing FDG and Ashton for the first time, and at the same time; couldn't but raise a question "Who are these two? Are they brothers? They look same."Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
I could swear I read that about SEI/ISFp just I can't find anything now... perhaps it was something MBTI. I think it is generally true for SEI, one who does not have the experience with this type can deduce it from the descriptions - does not like pressure, conflict, tension, discomfort, stringent need to solve these things first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
They all look like hardasses.
That's understandable, I've dramatically parted away with some people just to come back later as nothing happened :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I hope you received that mail from her. IMO that was an great insight I had in the mind of Si-Creatives (at least some) worth sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I certainly did noticed that. Like I said, I deductively associate it with a lot of other type traits, I'd add here guilt prolonged more than practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I found something on my HDD, there are some descriptions downloaded from Murraystate uni that apparently are not available anymore: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=ISFP+site%3Amurraystate.edu. They claim it is "M-B Type Indicator" but the descriptions looks fine, not too contradictory to what I know. Probably not 100% what you asked for, the fragment in question is:
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Bedtime for ISFPs is "when you're tired." If there are projects, people, pets, or other forms of life that need attention, then bedtime may take second place. Once these other things are tended to, and if one is tired, it is time for sleep--whenever and wherever one happens to be. Again, others may find such behavior difficult, even "flaky."
Organizing in general, and initiative in organizing people in particular is the main reason for which I always doubted Si-Base. I'm convinced he's a Si type, but I incline to believe he's ESj.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
Shayley, I can't send you PM, could you please send one to me, mentioning the address where I should send the files?
That male ISFJ says he will do whatever is right no matter the cost. I call bullshit. He is no ESI.