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Hey everyone, here are some stereotypical gamma types!! Discuss!! Enjoy!!
Male ESFP
http://vimeo.com/20471570
Female ESFP
http://vimeo.com/20386754
Male INTP
http://vimeo.com/10349425
Female INTP
http://vimeo.com/10288904
Male ENTJ
http://vimeo.com/21117686
Female ENTJ
http://vimeo.com/21114946
Male ISFJ
http://vimeo.com/17305105
Female ISFJ
http://vimeo.com/17335714
Great find. Interesting to watch.
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Originally Posted by guy123
Jarno: in your academic opinion, what's the Socionics type of the woman in the last video, the ISFJ female? Hint: compare what she says with the ISFJ male.
(anyone is welcome to answer after Jarno did/refused first, please)
Male ESFP: EXFp? Sounds 7ish.
Female ESFP: EXFp or some weird Fe-ISFp (not as likely).
Male INTP: Se/Ni introvert, T ego.
Female INTP: hmm, have to do some process of elimination. Seems intro, T ego, probably not Fe valuing. I guess that would leave ISTp and INTp, and she doesn't seem too delta-ey. You do the math.
Male ENTJ: I see no problem with ENTj. ESTj would be a second guess.
Female ENTJ: EXTj for sure. Can't decide b/w quadras.
Male ISFJ: ISFj isn't unreasonable. He has that weird ISFj "I don't really know what to say so I'm just gonna mumble something and hope people understand me" vibe.
Female ISFJ: Can't really tell, ISFj seems off though?
The last one is ISFJ-Se imho. She's clearly leading Fi, very loving/caring/submissive. But more outspoken than the guy isfj. He's very shy.
oh and I think that all the typings of these people are correct. Although the people are not as stereotypical as I had hoped for.
I wonder what FDG has to say about them, I trust his typing skills.
The last one is alpha SF.
I didn't want to say anything, but she looks like Julia Louis-Dreyfus, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy
Peggy Hill and Sarah Palin too, minus the glasses.
I knew you'll say that, you get too distracted when an "expert" types, even if that's other system. She's an obvious stereotypical SEI, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
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Timmy: :thumbsup: close, though her full video is a Te-PoLR complaint :). (well Si + Te-PoLR)
Well it's good that I did not give her the same type as you did, cause I don't trust your typings. But that's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The IneffableI knew you'll say that, you get too distracted when an "expert" types, even if that's other system. She's an obvious stereotypical SEI, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
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Timmy: :thumbsup: close, though her full video is a Te-PoLR complaint :). (well Si + Te-PoLR)
If FDG types her SEI too, I will take a second look at the vid, but so far I still think ESI.
Works for me, Jarno. You can't make an opinion for yourself instead of merely trusting others based on credibility points (Russian Socionists and other typology "experts" included). That was my point, actually.
I found these awhile back but didn't post them due to them being Braintypes videos, a cousin of MBTI. As far as I can tell the socionics typings work with the exception of a few quasi-identicals introvert mix-ups a la classic "j/p switch"
I watched maybe a minute total, but the ESFPs look like C-sub Alpha SFs, rather predictably enough. The female is so hilariously not :Se: valuing.
Why, because she says she can be intimidated? That doesn't mean anything. A Se valuer could just be that way simply because they recognize certain dynamics, and not necessarily because they're immediately advantageous or obviously brimming with confidence. Not everyone is some cardboard cutout from a television show, as you seem to prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleksei
Elvis was SEE, but the guy could be very reclusive, sat at home a lot, and was not even all that opportunistic with his career (more of a lack of Te there though in how he got screwed by the Colonel).
That doesn't mean woman is SEE though.. I just think she could be Se valuing at least.
i don't agree with this expert's typing of ******, who he claims is not eie.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ineffable
i differ from most people here not in that i rely on experts more, but i trust people's self typing more often. Especially people's selftyping who are not member of this forum.
I've seen more than on one occasion that somebody gets his selftyping right in 5 minutes. It's more easy than most people here think. And that's the trap they fall for, they see everyone struggling here with there selftyping and therefor they conclude, probably all selftypings are doubtful, which they aren't.
Especially these ones are most likely right. The people have selftyped, are seen by an expert, the expert has probably filtered among the different people to exclude all the doubtfull typed ones, and shown only the ones he's 100% sure of, and the people themselves are 100% sure of.
So there is a greater chance that these typing have a lower error rating than average. Average is about 75% correct, 25% wrong. So I estimate these ones on at least 90% correct.
****** was an INFJ IEI.
Jarno, there is a glaring flaw in this line of reasoning. We're interested in sociotype and this "expert" is typing his subjects using an entirely different typological system. So no, there is no compelling reason to assume that his "brain type" diagnoses correspond to these individuals' sociotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
lol I do that mumble thing sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galen
The female...no idea..could be EII. kids are kids...let 'em play.
he uses the same dichotomies as socionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmyJarno, there is a glaring flaw in this line of reasoning. We're interested in sociotype and this "expert" is typing his subjects using an entirely different typological system. So no, there is no compelling reason to assume that his "brain type" diagnoses correspond to these individuals' sociotype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
so I assume they are the same.
If I remember correct, braintype is something similar as MBTI, instead of psychological types he likes to call them brain types.
But if you have any evidence that there are differences I'm curious to know them.
edit: it seems that the ones in delta are spot on, according to everyone including bolt (=which is a nice surprise)
The flaw being of course that dichotomies don't really fit IE values, which are the basis of type. By dichotomies, I should be SEE or IEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
There is a direct link between dichotomies and IE.
If you are a Sensor, Extravert and Perceiver, then you have Se as a leading function. Simple as that.
Yea but apparently Braintypes = MBTI or whatever. Typing by dichotomies with an MBTIian perspective leads to different conclusions than from a Socionics one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Well there definitions of dichotomies are just a slightly different than the definitions of dichotomies of socionics. So there is a big chance they end up with the same types.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeColdYea but apparently Braintypes = MBTI or whatever. Typing by dichotomies with an MBTIian perspective leads to different conclusions than from a Socionics one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarno
Or do you find the definitions to differ very much?
The differences are subtle yet critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by JarnoWell there definitions of dichotomies are just a slightly different than the definitions of dichotomies of socionics. So there is a big chance they end up with the same types.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
Or do you find the definitions to differ very much?
It's not so much the correspondence(or lack thereof) between objective definitions(although faults made here are clear, being objective), but the subjective interpretations that are drawn from what people think when they read them. From this I'd say yes, the usual MBTI hobbyist's thoughts about EITNSFJP are vastly different from what Socionics' EITNSFJP are, the former being riddled with personality and behaviorist interpretations in contrast to Socionics' psychology bent(although acknowledged Socionics is not pure psychology, nor science).
I was searching MBTI type videos with the highest ratings, and this one came up #1 for INTP. I watched it and couldn't help realizing how similar this person thinks/speaks compared to myself (although I'm a little more internal and esoteric than her about my thoughts):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM2Y5Vrvk0
:hug: thanks - I see similarities, both in what he said, and how he said it...Quote:
Originally Posted by aixelsyd
:hug: I still think you're Delta NF with Ne subtype; Ne-EII, for the first time, I'm solid on (I couldn't rule out IEE before, but I can now rule out Ne-IEE) - it would be great to have you as my dual though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
Here's an MBTI INFJ - according to this, they're most frequently typed as Socionics EIIs... he's a bit obviously jittery in social situations and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZPtLNkCCxI
Yeah, but I'm an INTP. And my point wasn't that MBTI = Socionics. In fact here are some analyses on these "braintypes" I really hope aren't minded being posted for valid sake of the argument http://socionics.ws/wiki/index.php?t...intypes_videosQuote:
Originally Posted by woofwoofl
Though I believe that person in the video I linked is certainly INTP and we have a lot in common cognitively, and that INFJ you for whatever reason posted is much less like me cognitively. The fact remains that this is a thread about MBTI types which happens to take place on a forum where people study Socionics. Since the OP includes videos of INTPs I feel allowed to post here.
Also, it's great that you want to type me so enthusiastically and assuredly, but once is enough, I get the hazy picture you've so righteously provided.
Yep, Niednagel's system of Brain Types is removed from MBTI, which is removed from Socionics; there will be many, many differences :) are those Niffweed's typings, by the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by poli
I like you as being a fellow :Fi:/:Te: valuer :content: my biggest wonder, though, is why :Ni: over :Ne:? Any and all other reasons for ILI, I'd love to hear too...
And don't ever feel bad about posting in Gamma quadra! :hug: once again, I'd love to hear why :Ni: over :Ne: for you, and don't feel discouraged or threatened at all, I might get to learn things from you, and to know you better - I've been known to butcher temperaments, I've been known to try to heave my duals out of Gamma, it could be a walk in the park to affirm yourself as my dual :)
(this means you should say stuff because I think you'd make a cool dual and all and I don't mind being wrong now so I can be right later if that's the case and everything and if it's just a "trust me" thing I'll try to do that too but it would be really cool to feed me some Ni and Te)
Makes me want to get a Kaki King. Quite the phenomenal player, and it's great that she lets the music speak for itself and to each listener to interpret in his or her own way rather than cluttering it up with lyrics*. I remember being intrigued by this photo in a magazine a few years ago and pondering why:
http://img.mp3mixx.com/images/covers...361505_big.jpg
Something about it says "I'm kind of a pain in the neck at times, but in a good way." :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
*Oops, looks like 5 or 6 six songs led me to a false conclusion about her music being wholly instrumental, though from what I've heard so far I still like that portion of her work the best.
Very impressive musician. At least we learn of some good things on this forum. It's great that she's able to break into popular music big-time using techniques more often associated with classical music, but with the steady jazzy rhythm underneath.Quote:
Originally Posted by k0rpsey
Her music seems to convey a static type, probably because of the Minimalist influence. At first I thought it might be IEE. But she acts like an actualized ILI, which suggests she could only be SEE or ILI. So I think SEE is right, and it's nice for once to see someone really intelligent being typed as SEE, rather than the stereotype surfacy-seeming movie stars.
Nevertheless, I'm sure that if you opened it up to the broader forum, some people will type her LII or some other Alpha type, because she's articulate and uses really intricate chord progressions that doubtless some people will associate with Ti or Ne.
ILIs love boxes?? Don't they??Quote:
Originally Posted by aixelsyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb1zMUQkMVo
They do; yes they do. :yup:
It's not a video about Socionics itself but I'm pretty sure the past aired MTV show, "I Used to Be Fat" set people up with their duals for fitness.
Here's what I think is an Se-SEE + Ni-ILI duality. They're both guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrjgRVCRT7I&feature=related
Btw, me and Ashton on tinychat seemed to be representing a rather accurate depiction of gamma identicality.
^logs or it didn't happen
MisterNi,that video is dope.
Analyst Trevor should have recorded everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by timewu
Yeah, among other things, we also had an outsider person(my sister, accidentally) who upon seeing FDG and Ashton for the first time, and at the same time; couldn't but raise a question "Who are these two? Are they brothers? They look same."Quote:
Originally Posted by FDG
I could swear I read that about SEI/ISFp just I can't find anything now... perhaps it was something MBTI. I think it is generally true for SEI, one who does not have the experience with this type can deduce it from the descriptions - does not like pressure, conflict, tension, discomfort, stringent need to solve these things first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
They all look like hardasses.
That's understandable, I've dramatically parted away with some people just to come back later as nothing happened :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I hope you received that mail from her. IMO that was an great insight I had in the mind of Si-Creatives (at least some) worth sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I certainly did noticed that. Like I said, I deductively associate it with a lot of other type traits, I'd add here guilt prolonged more than practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
I found something on my HDD, there are some descriptions downloaded from Murraystate uni that apparently are not available anymore: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=ISFP+site%3Amurraystate.edu. They claim it is "M-B Type Indicator" but the descriptions looks fine, not too contradictory to what I know. Probably not 100% what you asked for, the fragment in question is:
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Bedtime for ISFPs is "when you're tired." If there are projects, people, pets, or other forms of life that need attention, then bedtime may take second place. Once these other things are tended to, and if one is tired, it is time for sleep--whenever and wherever one happens to be. Again, others may find such behavior difficult, even "flaky."
Organizing in general, and initiative in organizing people in particular is the main reason for which I always doubted Si-Base. I'm convinced he's a Si type, but I incline to believe he's ESj.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayley
Shayley, I can't send you PM, could you please send one to me, mentioning the address where I should send the files?
That male ISFJ says he will do whatever is right no matter the cost. I call bullshit. He is no ESI.
Male ISFj – Morrissey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeSf6AaEnBQ
Male ISFj – Travis Bickle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjgINxorEas
Sam Farha...LIE-Te
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1ZruJDuzg&t=430s
Gaddafi....LIE-Ni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJdk5ANcJIo
Gaddafi fits the mold of the prototypical business owner "Jack" like a hand in glove. So many restaurants, delis, coffee shops, and other small businesses are owned by Gaddafis.
Chezka Centeno...ILI-Ni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pANAi-KPnQ4
An ILI-Ni professional pool player is a rarity. I only know of one in real life.
Alphonse Gangitano...LIE-Ni 3w2 so/sp
http://resources3.news.com.au/images...-gangitano.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZoUdK0x0Q
the female ISFJ is certainly not ESI
Dario Minieri...LIE-Te 3w4 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dc6chFqmLw&t=2s
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/lie-te/
Sarah Silverman...ESI-Se 3w4 so/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZlND366m-c
The merger of the 3w4 so/sp section with socionic types has now been completed. One section down, many more to go. Total Unification is underway.
https://stackemup.livejournal.com/4180.html
@Kill4Me you have her as ESI-Fi in that link.
Also so I have seen her typed as IEE a lot. I’d love to hear your take on why ESI for Sarah (particularly because I get VI’d sometimes as a Delta NF incorrectly).
Impressive project.
Also... can anyone tell me about VI’ing Enneagram types?!?! Either here or you can PM me. Thanks!
I like this because I love Morrissey. Why not Beta type though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olimpia
I meant ESI-Fi for Silverman.
Omarossa is also ESI-Fi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9IzA_M4l8s
Trump on Omarossa:
"When you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the White House, I guess it just didn’t work out. Good work by General Kelly for quickly firing that dog!"
Rachel Lester...ESI-Se 6w7 so/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vgm-JoeyQ
Added to the only valid breakdown for every type, wing and stack: https://stackemup.livejournal.com/3649.html
More ESI examples here:
https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/esi-se/
Alphonse Capone....LIE-Te 8w7 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axd6KWtytr8&t=134s
Kray Twins...LIE-Te 8w9 sx/so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Qc_8DoUCs
The Black Hand of Death....LIE-Ni 8w9 sx/so (marlo stanfield)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQk5POu5DEU&t
Leona Helmsley...LIE-Te 8w7 sp/sx
Fictional Counterpart...Bridget Gregory (Last Seduction)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7N1_VyZa9k&t
Helmsley best fits with type 8, because I see that her unconscious strategy/drive is dominance and area of fixation is power. This is evidenced by the ruthlessness that came out when she was not shown deference and her overall iron-fisted style. She also demonstrates the core action set for type 8: ruthless expedience, threatening or violent language/behavior, and never backing down from a fight. Go review my primers on each gestalt in the fictional exemplars thread in the enneagram sub-forum. And I see the sub-action set (or wing) is empire-building which points towards an 8w7 rather than 8w9.
"There is definitely a double standard for men and women: When a man loses his temper, he is aggressive; I'm a pushy bitch. A man is confident and authoritative; I'm conceited and power-mad. Men don't want women getting to the top. Period."
LEONA HELMSLEY, Playboy, Nov. 1990
"I wouldn't believe Donald Trump if his tongue was notarized."
LEONA HELMSLEY, Playboy, Nov. 1990
"I've always wanted to be the biggest real estate man to come down the pike."
"I can't wait to read Trump's new book, especially chapter eleven!".
Donald Trump:
"Leona Helmsley is a truly evil human being. She treated employees worse than any human being I've ever witnessed and I've dealt with some of the toughest human beings alive."
Helmsley has a shrewder mind when it comes to business than Trump (SLE vs. LIE)...the LIE has all the moves. Apparently Her and Trump had a long-running public feud with each other.
Quote:
The following year, Trump sued the Empire State Building leaseholders, claiming they were in violation of their lease by turning the landmark into a “high-rise slum.” He was referring to mice, slow elevators, dark hallways, and too many small tenants. He was also taking personal aim at Leona Helmsley (a.k.a. the Queen of Mean), who controlled her husband’s real estate portfolio. The two had embarked on a media smear campaign against each other. In 1999, a Judge ruled against Trump, and a few months later an appellate court upheld the ruling.
https://www.6sqft.com/donald-trumps-...tate-building/
Paul LeRoux...LIE-Ni 8w7 sx/sp
Added: https://stackemup.livejournal.com/3179.html
LIE-Ni VI: https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/lie-ni/
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-co...t-security.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EczYpgtc3IA
Alexander Bard ILI - Creative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVoMdxFd__I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meka3_pUVqc
possibly ILI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg_TnFHK3wIQuote:
Originally Posted by Tallmo
I came across a copy of Palace Coup: The Inside Story Of Harry And Leona Helmsley. I was mainly interested in the CoOp conversions she made a fortune at. She faced a lot of heat from the city due to her practices as a real estate agent...I never knew that....they were using high pressure tactics to force tenants into purchasing their apartments. That goes to ruthless expedience. Very Nicholas Von Hoogstraten-ish...who I already had typed as LIE-Te...she ended up losing the litigation and had to give the tenants their money back. On a sidenote, the author also comes to pretty much the same conclusions about helmsley, leona as what I wrote below. He concludes in the final chapter that her sole motivation was power and the core action set is amplified through multiple anecdotes. I already knew that, of course....the time it took him to figure out what drove Helmsley I could have figured out the core strategies for 2000 different people....that's the difference between an expert typologer like me and a biographer like him. lmao
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Helmsley best fits with type 8, because I see that her unconscious strategy/drive is dominance and area of fixation is power. This is evidenced by the ruthlessness that came out when she was not shown deference and her overall iron-fisted style. She also demonstrates the core action set for type 8: ruthless expedience, threatening or violent language/behavior, and never backing down from a fight.
@Kill4Me
I agree that an unhealthy 8 lives and breathes the above type of behavior; so then how the fuck are you an 8? lol You don't even respond to "challenges" over the internet, the easiest place for one to stand their ground with a minimal amount of effort, at that. How am I the 6w7 (in your shitty estimation) and not you? The one who postures like a 8 with what looks like scripted talk and fictional caricatures, but never shows and proves, not even in the slightest. The only thing you showcase is a cognitive rigidity unlike anything I've ever seen, but that just says autism spectrum and not "8." You being some "typing expert" is not self evident--you must defend your ideas. When you don't, it just makes both you and your ideas look weak and flaccid, as if built on nothing but delusion, a fanciful imagination and faulty logic--not to mention a both hands covering your delicate pretend pussy, bitch ass MFer of epic proportions. What say you? I expect nothing...as usual. Phobic ass 6. lolQuote:
Helmsley best fits with type 8, because I see that her unconscious strategy/drive is dominance and area of fixation is power. This is evidenced by the ruthlessness that came out when she was not shown deference and her overall iron-fisted style. She also demonstrates the core action set for type 8: ruthless expedience, threatening or violent language/behavior, and never backing down from a fight.
This ESI need to know LIE ASAP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giuyMTfXoyQ
Male ESI - Adam Jensen from Deus Ex
Villanelle...ESI-Se 3w2 sx/sp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbDxQXKJ2c
More evidence that your typing skills are scattered, multicolored pigeon shit. Villanelle is a SLE-Se 7w8 sx/sp. She's every thing you try (but fail) to be, as showcased in many of your hyperbolic, juvenile, sociopathic meanderings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill4Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_imnhXwmg6g
What Fi ego type would ever complain about "feeling nothing" on "most days?" DERP.
This is, in part, is why so many of your typing are wrong and unreliable > you make snap, cursory judgments based solely on Se data points sitting square in front of your dead eyes, and evidently based on the most minimal curiosity, exploration and leg work. No way in hell you completed a single fucking season of Killing Eve and actually came away thinking that Villanelle was an ethical type. lol Because had you done that, you'd have seen that one of her chief "struggles" is attempting to avoid a perpetual, deep abiding internal numbness/emotional detachment by way of newer, viscerally gratuitous sensory experiences. Moreover, almost everything a enneagram 7 does is superficially about avoiding boredom, but at a deeper level, the resulting, suffocating stillness that provides an ample breeding ground for feelings of pain or deprivation. Villanelle's problem isn't concerned with avoiding great destabilizing emotional turmoil but a dearth of emotion.
But keep at it, kid.
A lot of women do? Especially if they're borderline PD or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
I guessed he was typing the actor though, who looks plausibly Se-ESI.
1.) Yeah, folks with BPD can often feel "empty," but in between bouts of extreme, intense emotional dysregulation. Villanelle is more ASPD (Antisocial Personality Disorder) than BPD, especially considering her emotional detachment and shallow effect--she doesn't seem to showcase much moody hyper-emotionality and instability.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfckrz
2.) Well he did say "Villanelle" and not Jodi Comer, the actress. Besides, he seems to be drawn to all the sociopaths and psychopaths of the world, fictional or otherwise. In this case, he just didn't realize he was accurately staring in the mirror. lol
Gotcha. I'm always skeptical of typing acted characters, as actor type & character type are rarely congruent. When casting is done well where they do match, the results can be pretty exceptional though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
Holy fuck who hurt you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo
lol You read my reply outside of the context in which I gave it > an affectionate, ongoing love dance between K4M and I.Quote:
Originally Posted by PussyInASarcophagus
Not really sure who she is yet, but her eyes seemed familiar. I think LIE (Ni-sub probable).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4HK8rWKCq4#t=25
Kalani Queypo- ESI (unsure of subtype)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlEoCYlVT34
Lianne La Havas- ESI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izdon6b_DxA
Gelareh Zadeh- ILI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIgkis7wKQ
Malcolm Gladwell- ILI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvv8iFupg9M
Barry Jenkins, LIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CMHMZq0spI
Tsai Ing-Wen, LIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFdnygITNog
Sheku Kanneh-Mason, SEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXGjwX7HVs
Takamasa Ishihara, SEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oicyfWuTOE
IEIQuote:
Originally Posted by sojourn
Read extebsive background. Watched clip. Pretty rawr. Something in me wants to rescue and relocate him to some green retreat somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bash