What happens when people talk about scary taboo subjects?
Writing in a forum isn't my usual style. I'm used to blogging, and I have a very quiet little blog where very few people ever comment, although I have a fair number of readers. I'm not used to asking for feedback and opinions, I'm not used to responding back when people do comment to me, and I'm not used to reading and considering different points of view and extracting value from them.
If I were in a group, and if we were making a group decision, preparing for some kind of action, then it would be different. There are many different methods of making group decisions, such as consensus. In a forum, we don't need to reach consensus. In a forum, I get the feeling that people are talking for a sort of intellectual entertainment. When I blog, I'm also blogging for intellectual entertainment, except I'm by myself. But if we were all preparing to DO something, then I would have to pay much closer attention to what everyone was saying. My forum posting style is out of place. I tend to walk into a forum, drop some kind of figurative 'bomb,' and then leave. (I don't want anyone taking me literally here.) I often ignore the replies for a very long time until I get the courage to go back and look at them. Often I'm mortified about whatever it was that I decided to say.
I am, unfortunately, an unwilling expert on several extremely scary taboo subjects that few people know about or talk about. Some of these subjects are important information that many people need to know. However, when you talk about an extremely scary taboo subject, there is a danger that some people will believe it too quickly and too easily, without really understanding all of it. People can get scared and overreact to the idea, and they might try to do something about it without really knowing what to do. This is similar to something I read about the 'activator' relationship.
Other times, people are able to protect themselves against an idea. They have defense mechanisms against it, ways to block it out and forget about it or fight back against it.
It reminds me of the movie 'Inception.' I watched this movie several times and I even bought it on DVD. However, there is something I don't like about that movie. I don't like it when any movie even hints at the idea that we are living in a dream world, and the only way to escape from the dream is to die. That is a dangerous idea to even suggest in a movie. ('The Matrix' suggested we were living in a dream world too, but they didn't make it seem like death was the way out. However, some people took it that direction anyway in 'The Animatrix,' which I didn't like very much - there was one episode where someone committed suicide and thereby awakened from the matrix.)
Most of the people watching Inception will guard themselves against the idea. This is a good thing. And let's look at it this way. We are all guaranteed to die someday anyway. Why rush it? Why not wait until you're 100 years old and you die of old age? That sounds like a good time to find out whether or not death awakens you from a dream world.
I myself have a lot of scary taboo ideas that I keep to myself most of the time. And if other people ever believed any of them, I would be surprised and actually upset about it. I don't want to scare people or make them feel rushed into making drastic changes in their lives just because I believe the things I believe. I'm accustomed to people just ignoring me and brushing off my ideas and going on with their lives.
There are such things as dangerous ideas, but still, they need to be talked about. Socionics knowledge is able to help protect people against causing a panic whenever they talk about taboo subjects. It can help you know what to expect. You can predict who is likely to overreact badly to something you say, and you can predict who will safely brush you off and ignore you. There will always be some people who believe you, some people who ignore you, some people who totally disagree, and so on, in every group of people.
Every time I say 'socionics is able to do this and this,' I also want to mention that socionics isn't the only useful theory on earth, and there are many other useful theories and useful methods of predicting people's behavior and anticipating what will happen when you interact with them.
So, remember, everyone: I am just another clueless person talking about things I'm interested in. I'm not an authority figure.
(That's ironic for me to say, considering I've been in this particular forum for a very short time and nobody knows me and I have nothing even RESEMBLING authority here yet, and I don't see myself spending a huge amount of time here in the future building up a reputation over years and years. But oh well.)
Well, since this is a forum, and I'm asking for replies, then: anyone else have any experience with talking about scary, out-of-place subjects that nobody wants to talk about? What happens when you do? And yes, it greatly depends on where you are - for instance, you can go to a website with the most bizarre conspiracy theories and say just about anything, but that's not really the audience that I want to talk to.
I figured out how to use multi-quote!!!
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k0rpsey
Please do not reproduce. Thank you.
Later on I'll talk more about being in favor of, or opposed to, reproduction.
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FDG
Where the hell do you live? Hacking considered as a taboo topic? Drugs?
It's possible to find lots of web pages that talk about hacking, about how to do it, and how to protect yourself against it. However, it becomes a taboo when you try to tell your friends and family, none of whom know much about hacking, that some unknown person, for unknown reasons, is hacking into the computers that you use everywhere you go, and that every time you get a new temp job in a new office environment, the harassment begins again on the new computers. 'Hacking' as such is a well known topic and not a taboo.
I'm in Pennsylvania. As for drugs, I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not using any drugs except caffeine. I won't be using any drugs in the future (unless there is some terrible emergency). I'm not using any illegal drugs. Drugs are not the solution to my problem.
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crazedratsshadow
You sound schizo to me. It's one thing to talk about taboo subjects; most people are very willing to talk about the things you mentioned.. hell I've talked about them before, totally freely with no problem. But you broke up with your boyfriend over these taboo subjects? Or he broke up with you because he thought you were 'in an LSD state at all times'? Just sounds like the obsessive paranoias of a schizo.
My boyfriend and I broke up for a lot of different reasons. But yes, my 'unexplained phenomena' were indeed part of the conflicts we were having. The 'in an LSD state' comment happened to be one thing he said at one time, during one particular argument, and I remembered it because that one comment made me particularly angry. He said lots of other things I don't remember. I do remember that he got very drunk every single day and I couldn't stand to be around him when he was drunk, obnoxious, and abusive.
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Quaris
I think this might have something to do with Ne valuing. Your "taboo" seems like Se valuers not liking Ne subjects.
I have to admit I don't really get what you mean altogether.
I'm curious to know what you mean, too. Could you explain? And yes, it's true, lots of times when I've had to talk about this to people, they react as though they don't like Ne. They don't want to imagine that strange, unknown things might be possible. They don't like to pretend it, even for a second. It feels too dangerous for them to imagine it.
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Jarno
on topic, there probably isn't such thing as mind control possible (yet).
They tried several methods on mythbusters and it didn't work.
Usually when people think their mind is controlled, they have a psychosis. It's a common symptom.
Mind control not possible yet? Yeah, I've had THAT argument before. That's one of my most frequently encountered beliefs. Many people believe that maybe, a lot of stuff will be possible in the distant future, in some faraway land, but not now, and not in this country - maybe in one of those other countries where bad things happen, but not here. I'm sorry for sounding mean about that, but the 'it can't be done yet' is sort of... a 'frequently asked question.' This is people's way of feeling safe about something which is too terrifying to imagine.
How I feel about mythbusters: I've watched that show a few times. I haven't seen the episode where they tested anything having to do with mind control. There are lots and lots of different methods that they would have to test, and I bet they probably only had time to test a few things.
There is such a thing as mental illness. But it isn't a sign of mental illness merely to believe a particular belief. Mental illness (actually, PHYSICAL illness) is when you're so sick that you can't even hold a normal conversation with somebody, can't function at all, and usually you have other physical health symptoms as well. There are a variety of things that cause the symptoms of schizophrenia. Oddly enough, some people's 'schizophrenia' improves greatly when they get on a wheat-free diet. That's only one example of the things that can cause the symptoms of schizophrenia. Physical illnesses are the cause of many of the things that people view as 'mental illness.'
My experience with radio frequency weapon attacks.
Well, I will be writing this in a first person storytelling style. That is my most natural way of writing. I realize this is not the usual style for writing in a forum. However, I'm putting this here so that I can see people's reactions to it, since this is a more socially active place than a blog, and more people are likely to read this and react to it. Putting this here makes me much more vulnerable than I usually am. If I can't stand people's reactions, then I won't be able to put it here, as I am often thin skinned and find it hard to tolerate criticism.
This is introverted sensing - tons and tons of it - more than most people can stand - so there will be some people who find it almost impossible to read, because it is completely opposed to their most comfortable ways of functioning.
I'll try not to make it too long.
It was 2003 when I first noticed that I was being attacked. I was doing psychotherapy over the telephone with a lady named Judith Swack, after I had seen her mentioned on Nathaniel Branden's website.
Some of her therapy involved saying prayers to God. I am an atheist, but she told me that saying prayers was part of the therapeutic process and it would work regardless of my atheism. I went along with this, out of curiosity.
I had already started developing a conflict with Judith Swack. Instead of letting me describe what my problem was and what I wanted to do about it, she interrupted me frequently and made decisions on her own about what we would do, and she had a pre-planned protocol that we would follow. This was a personality type conflict which I did not know how to describe at the time. She functioned in a rational style, and I functioned in an irrational style, as I wanted to postpone decision making for a longer time, while being more thorough and detailed in my discussion of the problem.
So that is why I ended up doing some strange things I didn't really want to do, as I was following her pre-planned protocol, which included prayers.
I often took naps. This was normal for me. During the time period when I was doing the therapy - not while I was on the phone, but other times in the day - I would suddenly get the urge to lie down and take a nap. While lying down, I would start doing the prayers I had been assigned during the therapy session.
While saying the prayers, I suddenly had this magical feeling of being soothed and comforted by a warm, protective light, and I felt a guiding, loving presence.
I had meditated many times in the past, and had never had such a feeling before while meditating. I was 29 years old at the time. I recognized which physical sensations were normal for my body, and which sensations were not normal, and this sensation was NOT normal. To put it bluntly, my BS detector went off. I knew immediately that something weird and wrong was going on. However, I didn't really figure out much more than that.
After a few weeks, Judith said that she was having a hard time making any progress with me. She recommended that I try using Prozac. I had tried St. John's Wort, an herbal antidepressant, but I had never used Prozac before. Hesitantly, I tried it. Meanwhile, I was becoming very critical of her therapy, as she had advertised that it was a drug-free therapy, and here she was telling me that I was going to have to use drugs to make any more progress.
The Prozac was a horrible disaster - that's a long story, and I won't tell it here. Just don't use Prozac. The end.
I quit the Prozac. Shortly after that, I was at my workplace, trying to make some kind of decision. I remembered something from the therapy, some instructions about what I was supposed to do, some plan as to what things I was supposed to be working on and trying to improve. It was like I was trying to break a bad habit. I don't recall what it was. Anyway, while making this decision, I heard Judith Swack's voice in my head telling me what to do, telling me to make the right choice. By then, I was very much in conflict with her, and in my head, I said to the voice, 'Get the f**k out of my head, you stupid b***h.'
Well, unsurprisingly, after that, therapy quickly went downhill, and I quit it.
During the time of this therapy, I was having unusual dreams and visions which were different from anything I had experienced before. I was having dreams about Satan and about some kind of horrible monster behind the wall in my apartment. (No, these weren't Prozac-induced dreams. It was happening before the Prozac.) I was also having the 'warm soothing light' phenomenon while meditating, and I became very annoyed with it.
I'll skip a few parts of the story - I was involved in a court case during this time, and that was when the worst things started happening. I would be walking across the room and suddenly my head would get dizzy and sick for no reason, out of nowhere, and I would feel like I was going to vomit. I would suddenly have reflux up my esophagus, even though I hadn't been sick at all and hadn't eaten anything strange.
About that time, I read an article on the internet. I think the title of the article was 'Radio Frequency Causes Nausea.' Everything described in the article was exactly what I was experiencing. I started reading more about this and saw that there really were devices able to do the things that I had heard other people talking about years and years ago. I had never thought much about the 'tinfoil hat wearer' phenomenon, and didn't have much opinion one way or the other.
I totally rejected the 'evil spirits' interpretation that Judith Swack had been pushing for. Her therapy revolved around clearing away ghosts and evil spirits and Satan and any other supernatural entities that could be causing problems for me. I rejected that entire belief system, and decided instead to go down the Tinfoil Hat pathway instead. So that is where I am now. (Note: I've tried foil and it doesn't work.) I hadn't experienced anything like this before the therapy and the court case.
There was a particular corporation connected to the court case, State of the Art, Inc., and they were connected with the military and radio frequency weapon manufacturers. For a while, I debated between blaming them, or blaming Judith Swack, for the attacks that began during that time period.
But actually, I looked back in the past and saw that I had been experiencing similar things for a while before, but hadn't noticed them because they were different and much less severe. I only learned how to notice it and recognize it when severe attacks occurred, like the phenomenon of doing something ordinary and then all of a sudden out of nowhere your head gets dizzy and you feel like you're about to vomit for no reason.
There were more severe attacks, lots of them, during this time period. I was kept awake for several nights in a row, and I would suddenly fall asleep at a particular hour, and then wake up exactly fifteen minutes later on the clock, and be kept awake the rest of the night, and then fall asleep for another exact fifteen minute period at a specific hour on the clock, over and over again.
There was also a time when I could not bear to be in my apartment for more than a couple minutes because there seemed to be a burning radiation coming from one side of the room, and I could not stand to be in there. So I brought my laptop with me and wandered around town and went to parks and sat outside, in the cold, with my laptop, trying to entertain myself for a while and rest, instead of staying in my apartment.
I have other things that happen now, for instance, I often get the urge to say things to people that I know I will regret saying. That is one of the reasons why I have avoided trying to make friends with people, as they can't see who I really am when I suddenly say things that are strangely out of character or offensive.
The attacks were greatly reduced over time, but I still do hear voices in my head and I still do get awakened at particular times every night. It is nowhere near as unbearable as it was in the beginning, and I am surviving.
I need a physical shield so that I can rest and meditate without being disturbed. However, this project is on low priority, as I have a hundred other problems to deal with in my daily life, so as of right now, I still don't have a shield.
I'll end the story for now. There's always more.