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Gilly:
Not simply "shaping psychic content." It is shaping psychic content into a conceptual vision.
Ok, closer...maybe "shaping psychic content into structurally-based conceptual vision" would be better, because I think your description still kind of drips into Ni territory.
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Psychic content includes mental imagery, imagination, sounds, psycho-somatic feelings of extension and balance, memories, and anything that occurs in the subjective realm. Introverted Thinking dwells on the experience of the process by which this amorphous mass is configured into definite, bounded, orderly ideas.
Well you have confirmed for me that I am not a Ti ego :shock:
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[quotes from jung, chp 10, yada yada]
"For this kind of thinking facts are of secondary importance; what, apparently, is of absolutely paramount importance is the development and presentation of the subjective idea, that primordial symbolical image standing more or less darkly before the inner vision. Its aim, therefore, is never concerned with an intellectual reconstruction of concrete actuality, but with the shaping of that dim image into a resplendent idea."
Interesting. Makes me wonder if Tolkein was Alpha NT rather than Delta ST.
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Of course, there is more to the function than the initial shaping, but that is where it begins. It begins in the subjective realm, dealing with psychic content, and being a Thinking function, it's immediate goal is to rationally organize the content into an idea, an idea that is defined and thus clearly constrains the spectrum of possible derivatives from it to a certain set. Incoming data can then be defined as belonging to or not belonging to that set, i.e. true or false, i.e. judging. One's ability to "correctly" do this is more related to actual intelligence or skill. Introverted Thinking dominance is where "libido" (as Jung defines it, mental energy, life energy) is primarily directed to this kind of thought process, especially to the experience of the shaping, which seems of "paramount importance" to do. Due to repeated practice, Introverted Thinkers become acquainted with a more intensive understanding of and use of this process by way of their fascination with it, and thus may develop actual skill. Over time, Ti dominants become familiar with the "contours of thought."
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BUT EVEN MORE TO MY POINT:
"But just as little as it is given to extraverted thinking to wrest a really sound inductive idea from concrete facts or ever to create new ones, does it lie in the power of introverted thinking to translate its original image into an idea adequately adapted to the facts. For, as in the former case the purely empirical heaping together of facts paralyses thought and smothers their meaning, so in the latter case introverted thinking shows a dangerous tendency [p. 482] to coerce facts into the shape of its image, or by ignoring them altogether, to unfold its phantasy image in freedom. In such a case, it will be impossible for the presented idea to deny its origin from the dim archaic image. There will cling to it a certain mythological character that we are prone to interpret as 'originality', or in more pronounced cases' as mere whimsicality; since its archaic character is not transparent as such to specialists unfamiliar with mythological motives. "
It's interesting how in this last bolded part, Jung is essentially describing "weak" Ti. IEIs are pretty heinously guilty of this IME, although they are pretty easily righted.
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i.e. describing a thought process as a cloud of atoms assembling into a form (that is a conclusion). He was describing an empty thought process, devoid of objective content (he wasn't actually referring to atoms or bees, or trains, or anything). If he used that imagery as a personal subjective process for understanding actual, objective facts, his conclusion would be ultimately biased by the aesthetics of the original vision. Unfortunately, the subjective experience can only serve as an indirect analogy for the objective world. Properly, this kind of thinking helps in understanding how your own mind thinks, and what it is capable of thinking, and because people are generally similar, how others think, although the latter is rarely developed adequately.
I think the process he described is pretty universal to all introverted types, at least as far as seeing a bunch of "disparate" data and only understanding it as the pieces fall into their proper places. And the last part is you convincing yourself that your projections are accurate estimates of other people's internal workings :lol:
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"Introverted thinking is primarily orientated by the subjective factor. At the least, this subjective factor is represented by a subjective feeling of direction, which, in the last resort, determines judgment. Occasionally, it is a more or less finished image, which to some extent, serves as a standard. This thinking may be conceived either with concrete or with abstract factors, but always at the decisive points it is orientated by subjective data. Hence, it does not lead from concrete experience back again into objective things, but always to the subjective content, External facts are not the aim and origin of this thinking, although the introvert would often like to make it so appear. It begins in the subject, and returns to the subject, although it may [p. 481] undertake the widest flights into the territory of the real and the actual. Hence, in the statement of new facts, its chief value is indirect, because new views rather than the perception of new facts are its main concern"
I don't really see how this is pertinent, personally.
