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True, but from other arguments in other threads we've learned that one of the leading problems in misunderstandings on this forum is the use of Novichkovionics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
I've read that the first step in solving a problem is to clearly define the problem.
Arguments like in this thread can lead us to a clearer definition of the problem.
Meanwhile, people like you get free entertainment. ;)
Ahh yes, the ruler and pencil method. Better than one of the politicians here who used to show up with a dildo in his hand during conferences. Anyhow, it's cool I'm still best delta on that list...Quote:
Originally Posted by anndelise
And I write too much. Its just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
Well, honesty is the best policy but insanity, the best defence. In before ESI Spacegrape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Eliza :) That tea awaits your comfort when you get sick of this :)
Can't really say I didn't "predict" the entertainment part with my funneh Ni.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starfall
Better post some ****** vids, Jadae. Semi-duality isn't that omg these days.
Ok. So why are people still discussing your type? They should just respect your personality. I don't see any point in hurting the feelings of someone unless I want to do that on purpose. So probably there are people trying to hurt your feelings in some manner here, which you don't seem to get hurt, so the whole discussion about your type is pointless, and it should be stopped. Otherwise it's a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scapegrace
Scape is all about attention, isn't she? One would think so after Ananke started the Buchenwald, but there was more at stake.
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Originally Posted by Air
Umm... I don't know. Ask them. If people want to talk about it I don't care.
I'm unsure of how my feelings could be hurt by this conversation. I'm not a five year old little girl in pig tails.
Like I always said, Honey, duality works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadae16t
You're an IEE and the "them" you're referring to is SLE. SLEs crave emotional excitement, but as an Fi-valuer, you cannot provide such excitement for extended periods of time, despite your proficiency at doing so via your demonstrative Fe. I've seen your YouTube videos. You act nothing like SLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
Excuse me. Do you know what Fi polr is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
looks like this.
http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ine=1382929052
I don't give a flying fuck what you think SLE's act like. You're not my dad.
*jumps into the sky*
That looks nothing like Fi-PoLR. You've simply changed the "External Statics" of your "face," which is an "Object," in attempt to look intimidating. As "Se" concerns "External Object Statics," you are more likely exhibiting your Se-role function.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
For Fi-PoLR, watch how Jase Robertson treats his poor old Uncle Si:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieqDYg5cWL4
That's some emotivist talk right there, and further evidence that you're IEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
Shit. I guess you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
*chugs water*
g'night.
@Johannes Bloem
Ok I analyzed your quote and realized you are actually being pretty fair.
most people here are idiots and think "because I said so" is a good enough argument. So I have a bad habit of ignoring other's input.
And yes, i am changing the external statics of my face. I didn't feel anything particular in that picture, it was simply demonstrative.
Unfortunately I don't have any photos of me in anything other than a playful mood. I have absolutely no idea what I look like when I'm in moods other than "neutral." That is why I'm Fe seeking and constantly asking people "what do I look like?" I need that objective ethics. And when I put on fronts and act unlike myself, usually its because I'm experimenting with Fe and learning about myself and trying to figure out how to control the perceptions of others around me the way EIE's do.
I already know who I am. But at this point my focus is less on convincing others who I really am and more on learning "how do I control how others view me?"
I'm SLE no doubt. And I am intelligent enough to prove to you that I am neither Ti polr nor Te seeking.
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Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
LOL seriously that's a real great pic DJ
Crazy, I was just thinking that you might be SEI. SEI uses Se as their "demonstrative function."Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
Sounds like Fe might be your "creative function," then. SEI FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
I like your thinking. If I can can control how others view me, then I can be more successful in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
I officially like you. You care about truth and honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
Also, I'm like 99.99% sure I'm IEE. What type do you think I am?
Hey, Air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
its more like, "if I can be good at everything, I will be more successful in the world."Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
I can already do everything else. If I wanted to be the best parkour athlete, I would dedicate my life to doing so. If I wanted to be the best martial artist, I would become it. The unfortunate side to dedicating your life to being the best at 1 thing, is that it leaves no room for other things, like spending time with friends. My new years resolution was "to be less ambitious and just party more." Then out of nowhere my EIE friend comes in and wants me to help him start a gym, while at the same time invites me to all of his friends and turns me into a celebrity who is breakdancing on stages in nightclubs for money. :hyper:
Anyway, if you're just another one of my fans who argues with me just to gain my attention, then you have it. And I don't know what your type is. If you want to find out we'll have to set something up over skype when I'm not fending off rabid groupon customers at my gym.
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Hope that is not some kind of Enneagram 3 fixation, if one actually takes Ennegram into consideration...
@DJ Arendee
Eesh. Any more ego in this thread, and we'll have to relocate due to capacity issues.
No egos in here, just being straightforward. My strenghts are my strengths, and my weaknesses are my weaknesses. *shrug*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
I know what your weaknesses are.
He is not IEE for sure. No "subtle psychologist". No, not what I would call DJ. I think he is SLE. I have a SLE son, SuperEgo Relations for us, and a lot of times reading DJ's posts helps me understand how my son must think, when I am not getting him. My son also seems Fi polar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
For example, recently I asked my son how it "feels" to be around his ex girlfriend (brief, enjoyable relationship that broke up with a LOT of loud drama on her part when he made a not okay mistake) which I thought was a normal question he wouldn't mind. I always guess wrong when I compare him to myself though. He got instantly sharply annoyed, "What kind of a question is that? How did I feel? Why do you ask such stupid questions?" Fi-poloar, right? I was just making conversation, the answer didn't matter that much to me. I guess this is the wrong way to make conversation with SLE...
There just seems to be some sameness in the thinking/worldview of DJ and my son and I feel sure its SLE. DJ and my son are possibly different subtype and very probably are different Enneagram; I don't see my son as Enneagram 8 and I do believe DJ is 8. (I don't know Enneagram that well, but enough to eliminate some. My son is not 8, 2,1 or 9)*.
Also DJ and my son are probably different astrology sun signs. My son is Taurus... cusp with Aries but definitely Taurus.. he is like a bull in that he can't be moved when he does not want to be, but when he does he can charge, and, he does get things done generally in a slow, steady head down-to-business kind of way.. He has not had trouble sticking to the tough wrestling training these years. I admire his persistence and endurance with it.
* @DJArendee, what Enneagram types do you think I should read up to help me figure my son's (excluding these, that he is not), that a lot of SLEs often are?
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My son has a fascination with parkour too...
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
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Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
Hope he doesn't scribble SEI as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
I don't think so, in my experience; the SEI that I know long and well is the sweetest, gentlest, humblest person I know. Not how I would describe DJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
Maybe you are IEE (seeing all this from my own experience lens of course) because that is one of the qualities I really appreciate most in my SLE son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem
(And I have not read enough of your posts to really confirm your type in my mind yet, though, I have not read anything that made me think "not IEE".)
Maybe your struggling to understand DJs type reflects that IEEs have a hard time understanding SLEs. I am pretty sure on some typing but it took me quite awhile to figure out how my son thinks well enough to see him as SLE. And trying to understand his motivations and worldview is an ongoing thing for me...
:cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Why are you so judgemental? If you don't like how I think then ignore it. You know, Kim, its really okay for people to approach seeing things differently than you do. :8*Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I feel like you stalk my posts and complain if I say something you wouldn't say. Really, big deal.
Hey, at least I don't follow you around pointing out how different you are from me, the only pure and real IEE. Lucky you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
I just realized I could look at the Ennegram types by process of elimination with the other 5 types, and I think my son might be a 7w8. Someone on PerC said this, and all of this fits him:
"7w8 are extremely positive and react with anger only when there is no other way, to them. Their humor is also outrageous, all of them like south park. In my experience they are also very smart, for some reason. 7w8 have a positive twist on everything, even depressing things like funerals, family deaths, and severe car accidents."
He is also an Assassin's Creed fan. :( Oh well. I wonder if this goes with SLE or 7w8?
You and Ann are so strange with this "pure and real IEE" thing you have going. I don't know where you get this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
We get that from your constant "you are not like me, therefore you must not be my type."Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
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Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Probably from your continual public directing of opinions to SEE of people who identify as IEE. It's very subtle Eliza but it's also very clear to all it's directed at. For an example in the recent typing thread when you mention myself you had to make a judgement call with 'Gem probably had a feeling reaction' this subtly plants ideas that i react in the moment, something which of course is more natural to SEE than IEE for the live in the moment qualities. However, it was not the case.
You seem to have a lot of enjoyment whacking hornets nests and then pleading ignorance. I think part of the problem is you believe yourself to be more intelligent than you are. I understand you perfectly, I have no difficulty with this.
Those were the cutest of the bunch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadae16t
Lol, for Quite a few months you have been saying similar to that phrase for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason
Even to the point of trying to suggest that we are jealous of your IEEness, roflmao.
But then things start to become clearer regarding your own type, and now you're going to try to act like your innocent of your own accusations?
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Well its no secret I think SEE is a real possibility for you but you are WRONG, I was implying nothing of the sort. What you just said above that I bolded, is ALL NEWS TO ME. I never knew that. Thanks you for the interesting info. I did not know it was a SEE thing more than IEE.. I also react in the moment, though, when I think bout it now, I in fact is I am less likely than SEE to tell my feeling reactions in the moment. Even though I do sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geminatronix
In the situation you mentioned, I was just commenting on what you did/said, and figuring it was an "F"thing and not putting anything on it but F (which should be clear in my post, as I clarified it just for those who seem to need me to completely clarify everything I say), which you seemed to have no quibble with so I was trying to avoid quibbling.
So your wrong guess at what I meant lead you to a wrong conclusion about my motive.
Please know that there are many times you jump to wrong conclusions about what I meant or why I said it. So your ideas about what I am ignorant or innocent about are often off the mark.
The intelligent thing is weird to me too. I never "rate intelligence" except about subject matters, i.e., my son is more intelligent about math concepts than I ever was. I am intelligent enough for me and realize we are all just using a tiny part of our brains and we are all smarter than we seem and everyone is full of surprises as far as intelligence is concerned.
I would really just like to get along. But maybe you are like my mother, a type who "likes a good argument", for arguments sake. I do not know what other types than my mother's enjoy arguing, but it whatever types you are, it seems that you and Ann and Kim have this in common with each other and not me. That it becomes such a negative conversation seems to cause you no desire to back out of it. :shrug:
I just don't get it. Maybe @Johannes Bloem explain it to me since he is your identical and should look at all your posts thinking, "Ohmigosh, I can see myself writing the exact same posts!" Right, Johannes? :biggrin:
(and if you think that was a not-so-subtle question at your IEE self-type, you'd be right this time!).
This is VERY interesting. You said:I don't see Socionics as "Identifying" with a type. I see you ARE a type, or, you are not. "Identifying" with a type is a subjective view. I see this as an entirely objective matter, so I would not use the term "identify with". Because either you are or you are not a type. So to me, "self-type" is a more accurate word. I "Self-type" as an IEE and I have strong reasons to believe I am that type, reasons good enough for me. I am not personally offended by people who think I am ESE, or SEI or LIE or what have you. I have no "offended!" feeling reaction, just a curiosity to the motive. Are they trying to be mean? Silly and shallow, and then I ignore the little fit. Or do they honestly think that. If they honestly do, its a curious thing of interest for me to explore. If someone were to persist in truly believing I was ILI when I know I am not, I would just get bored of the conversation once I understood where that person came from. I would not feel offended that they truly continue to type me not what I self-type as. And since that is how I would react to being mistyped, I just don't relate to it bothering you or you considering it a kind of personal attack that I persist in a different idea about yours or your friends's types. I believe in freedom of thought, you know. Its okay for people to think different from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geminatronix
Also Kim and Ann's idea of "pure and only IEE" is very strange to me. How could I possibly be the only IEE? And what in the world is a "pure IEE"? Either one a type or one is not. One is not "mostly" or "pretty much" a type. If there can be a "pure IEE", than what is an impure one? A crude immoral one?? A crossbreed IEE/ILE or other IEE Combo Type?? What is a "not pure" IEE??
...It just makes no sense.
Probably all this effort to explain myself is useless though because you don't get me because you can't get it or because you don't want to. Lets see, are all these words a waste, because you won't find ONE point of understanding, you will just find some small point to pick at in what I wrote, and more accusations? Lets see.